Speaker A
Well, welcome back. You may have noticed it's Pride Month. It's pretty hard to ignore it.
Piers Morgan debates Pride flags and LGBTQ+ issues with James Barr and Tammy Laren, discussing cultural backlash and identity politics.
Key Takeaways
- Pride Month visibility can provoke mixed reactions, especially regarding cultural and political symbolism.
- There is ongoing debate about the balance between celebration, protest, and perceived overexposure of LGBTQ+ issues.
- Transgender identities and pronoun preferences remain complex and sometimes contentious topics.
- Inclusion and respect for diverse sexual orientations and gender identities are central to the Pride movement.
- The concept of a 'straight flag' is generally seen as unnecessary or humorous within the context of LGBTQ+ advocacy.
Summary
- The video is set during Pride Month, focusing on the visibility of Pride flags replacing traditional national symbols.
- Tammy Laren expresses irritation with the perceived forced celebration and expanding LGBTQIA+ acronyms.
- James Barr defends Pride as a protest rooted in historical struggles for LGBTQ+ rights.
- The debate touches on transgender identity, specifically referencing influencer Dylan Mulvaney and pronoun usage.
- Discussion includes criticism of some Pride events being too explicit or provocative.
- The conversation highlights confusion and frustration around evolving gender identities and pronouns.
- Tammy Laren questions the proliferation of Pride letters and the inclusivity of the movement.
- James Barr emphasizes the importance of inclusion over the exact number of LGBTQ+ identities represented.
- The idea of a 'straight flag' is humorously challenged and debated.
- The video ends with a call for mutual respect and acknowledgment of Pride Month.
Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown
Speaker A
The rainbow flag has been placed over London's Regent Street in place of Union Jack.
Speaker A
And draped from the White House balcony in place of the Star Spangled Banner, which has sparked quite a backlash in the states.
Speaker A
Have we gone rainbow crazy, or is Pride Month more important than patriotism?
Speaker A
Well, to debate this, I'm joined by Fox News commentator Tammy Laren, and in the studio, the comedian James Barr.
Speaker A
All right, Tommy, off you go. You're enraged by this. Why?
Speaker B
Well, listen, I wouldn't say I am enraged by it, but I am irritated, and a lot of American conservatives agree with me.
Speaker B
Now, listen, Pride Month is not a new thing. They've been celebrating Pride Month for many, many years, and most American conservatives had no issue with it.
Speaker B
Until it became forceful, until it became the need for acknowledgement, the need for forced celebration, the need for forced validation.
Speaker B
That's when you lost people, and then we took LGB, and then we added LGBTQIA+++, and then we included men who dress up like women and mock women like influencer Dylan Mulvaney.
Speaker B
And then a lot of American conservatives just said, listen, we've had enough.
Speaker B
It's okay if you're proud of your sexuality, but why do I have to be proud of your sexuality?
Speaker B
That's where you lost a lot of folks and we're starting to finally stand up.
Speaker C
Well, firstly, I'll say Dylan is a trans woman, Dylan is a woman, so you got that wrong.
Speaker C
And secondly, I think...
Speaker A
Well, Dylan wasn't, Dylan was a gay man until last year.
Speaker A
Hang on, Dylan was a gay man until last year.
Speaker C
They've transitioned, they're women.
Speaker C
I think that we lost people right at the beginning when gay people were dying in the streets because no one was looking out for us.
Speaker C
So actually, what we're doing right now is just, I wouldn't even use the word celebrating, I think pride is a protest.
Speaker A
Has it been, is it a bit too much?
Speaker A
In other words, do you want to...
Speaker C
What does that mean? What is too much?
Speaker A
In other words, I think with every campaign, bringing people with you is really important, right?
Speaker A
The moment it looks like it's just over the top, like it's everywhere you go is pride, pride, pride, pride, pride. Do we need to be that exuberant?
Speaker C
Well, who are you blaming? Are you blaming gay people for that? I mean, it's awful that companies...
Speaker A
I don't, honestly, I don't care what sexuality anybody is, I don't think most people do anymore.
Speaker C
Right, so what is the problem then? Why are you so triggered by a flag?
Speaker C
A rainbow flag.
Speaker C
You're in Regent Street.
Speaker A
I'll tell you what.
Speaker A
I'm not triggered by a rainbow flag, I'm triggered by the fact that everywhere I go for a calendar month, everything has to be a rainbow flag.
Speaker C
Well, I'm triggered that everywhere I go for the entire year, everything has to be straight.
Speaker C
Where is, where is straight?
Speaker A
Where's my straight flag?
Speaker C
Why am I constantly being straight?
Speaker A
Where's my straight flag?
Speaker C
Why are straight people holding hands in the street?
Speaker A
Where is the straight flag?
Speaker C
Why is Mickey Mouse got a car?
Speaker A
Tell me one straight flag.
Speaker C
Why are straight people pushing straight against me?
Speaker A
Where is the straight flag?
Speaker C
Why are straight people pushing straight against me?
Speaker A
Where is the straight flag?
Speaker C
Why are straight people pushing straight against me?
Speaker A
Where is the straight flag?
Speaker C
Everywhere.
Speaker A
It's never been a straight flag.
Speaker C
You're a straight flag.
Speaker A
I don't, let me bring Tommy back because this made me laugh.
Speaker A
Demi Lovato has revealed she got tired of using they/them pronouns due to constantly having to educate people about it.
Speaker A
She said it was exhausting. Well, I know the feeling, Demi.
Speaker A
She's exhausting, isn't she, Tommy?
Speaker B
It's all exhausting. Listen, nobody cares what you choose to be.
Speaker B
It's just this, everybody has to keep up with what you feel like today or tomorrow, everybody has to change the way that they address you.
Speaker B
And if somebody, heaven forbid, makes a mistake, then all of a sudden they're a transphobe and they're akin to a domestic terrorist.
Speaker B
It is absolutely ludicrous.
Speaker C
It's absolutely not true.
Speaker B
And to go back to this pride.
Speaker A
How many letters are there now?
Speaker B
No, no, I let you talk.
Speaker A
Well, exactly.
Speaker A
What, what is the...
Speaker B
No, no, I let you talk.
Speaker A
Finish, Tommy, finish your right, finish your point.
Speaker B
Yeah, and there's another part of this whole pride thing. Listen, if it was just rainbows and love is love, there's no problem with that.
Speaker B
If you look at a nine or ten of these pride events, it's grown men and grown women wearing bondage gear, smacking each other, often children are involved to watch this spectacle.
Speaker B
I mean, my goodness.
Speaker C
No, then.
Speaker B
If you want equality.
Speaker A
Well, Sam Smith, he's a man and he always out there.
Speaker C
They.
Speaker C
They.
Speaker C
Sam is a they pronoun. Sorry, please finish.
Speaker A
Sam used to be a he too, right?
Speaker A
We can't keep up with any of them. Demi Lovato used to be they/them.
Speaker C
Demi is exhausting.
Speaker C
I'm so funny for her.
Speaker A
Now she's a she again.
Speaker A
He's been a he.
Speaker A
He wants to be called they.
Speaker A
He'll be back to being a he again.
Speaker C
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker A
They can't make their minds up what they are.
Speaker C
Both of you are straight and you're saying you're exhausting.
Speaker A
How do you know I'm straight?
Speaker A
How dare you guess my sexuality?
Speaker C
Like, let's not play games here.
Speaker A
I don't remember Tommy.
Speaker C
It is exhausting.
Speaker A
Revealing her sexuality to you.
Speaker C
There are 72 countries in the world where it's illegal to be gay.
Speaker C
That's why I'm proud.
Speaker A
Ask me one question.
Speaker A
I, and I'm with you on gay rights to equality, absolutely 100%, always have been.
Speaker A
Answer one question, how many letters are there now in the official...
Speaker C
That's such a pointless question.
Speaker A
How many are there?
Speaker C
It's a flag that represents.
Speaker C
I don't even know.
Speaker A
How many are there?
Speaker C
I don't need to know.
Speaker A
Exactly my point.
Speaker C
I don't need to know because it's not about the letters.
Speaker A
There are so many letters now, we can't keep up with it.
Speaker C
It's not about that, it's about inclusion.
Speaker A
Don't we know if they're an L, a G, a B, a T, a Q?
Speaker C
Yes, we do.
Speaker A
And now we found out, according to...
Speaker A
And now we found out, according to, uh, to the John Hopkins Medical University in Baltimore, that apparently lesbians are now no men, no man who have relationships with no men, non-men.
Speaker A
Non-men.
Speaker C
I don't, I personally don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker C
What are you talking about?
Speaker A
Exactly, nobody knows what they're talking about.
Speaker C
The Pride flag is there to represent LGBTQ+ people and minorities.
Speaker C
And like all sorts of movement like Black Lives Matter, the reason it's so loud and to quote you, exhausting.
Speaker A
Okay.
Speaker A
Because we need to be, but I do want to come back next time I speak to you to the straight flag that you say exists, which I've never seen.
Speaker A
Because I want my own straight flag.
Speaker C
Sure.
Speaker A
Tommy, great to see you.
Speaker A
Great to see you.
Speaker C
I wish you a happy Pride Month.
Speaker A
You may, go on.
Speaker C
Woo!
Speaker A
Woo!
Speaker C
Woo!
Speaker A
Woo!
Topics:Pride MonthLGBTQ+Piers MorganJames BarrTammy LarenPride flagsTransgender issuesPronounsCultural debateIdentity politics
