Confidence isn’t loud, here’s how to find your voice | … — Transcript

All right, balances. Today's guest is someone I'm really excited to have on the show because you know when you just come across those profiles on Instagram and you're just magnetically drawn to someone, and I'm talking like from the point of view where I feel like we almost have similar neural pathways in our brain.

We think about things in a very similar way, so I think this is going to be a very synergistic, easy conversation.

So I'm really excited to have you on today.

Um, our guest is the CEO of Speaker by Nimi Metta.

She's a TV and radio presenter, an MC, a podcast host, a speaker, a public speaking mentor.

What don't you do?

It's uh, the the beautiful Nimi Metta on the podcast today.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm so excited to be here and to to synergize with you.

I love it.

I know.

No, we're going to there's going to be a lot of synergizing.

I think um, one of the first things that I was really interested in was your journey from, and I think this is something a lot of people resonate with, that feeling of completing your degree, so you studied journalism, and getting your first job, which you have described as being your dream job at the time.

And just that first year experience and what happened directly after, because I think that's important context to understand kind of where you've come to now.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a great first question.

So, I mean, just to set the scene, I guess for for people, did journalism at university, came straight out at the age of 21 and got the job to be an MTV presenter.

And that for me just felt so normal at the time.

When something like that happens to you, you think that life is that easy, especially at such a young age.

You know, you come out thinking, well, it's really going to be dog eat dog and then this happens and it was amazing.

So you just applied and got the job?

Just applied.

It was like an online competition.

Um, you had to submit a video reel and so I booked out my local church's hall.

And I grabbed all my family and friends and I said, I need you to be extras.

And we were in the dressing room and I was walking through presenting, pretending it's Fashion Week.

And I had like my sister getting her hair done by her friend and, you know, people throwing clothes around.

I love the effort.

It's still on YouTube to this day, just because it's so iconic for me.

I'm like, I really produced, directed and presented that.

That's amazing.

And so that is what got me the gig.

But it was just what followed after.

You know, and and I think that we all have these dreams and these goal posts, so to say.

And I really thought at that age that you have one goal post, you get to that goal post, and then it's over.

Life's done.

Life's done.

Like, I signed, sealed, delivered.

Like, it's over.

Um, in a really good way that, oh, I'm it's going to be plain sailing after this.

Obviously, it wasn't.

And, um, it was it was a real hit to the ego.

It was a real hit to, you know, my mindset of like, oh, what now?

You know, where do I go now?

And I just wasn't prepared for what was after.

And so I think that's when I really realized and it really hit me that my dreams are ever evolving and ever changing.

And sometimes when you think something is your dream, it's not.

It's just a stepping stone towards the bigger picture.

Yeah, there's always um, a bigger piece at play.

I think we've forgotten one key detail though.

So you got the job at MTV and then what happened?

That shattered your ego.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I was there for a year and I had a contract for the year.

And then the contract ended and I was unemployed for a few years after that.

Trying to hustle back in to be a presenter.

So they just didn't renew it?

Yeah, they didn't renew it.

The channel that they basically created was something called like District MTV.

So they were trying a new concept of music and fashion together, and it just wasn't picking up.

So they they ended it all and that was me.

That was me done.

Well, you know what's really interesting? What a beautiful lesson to learn at such a young age that your dreams are ever evolving and that goals are not I like talking about it in the frame of goals are not end posts.

They're a goal post. No, what do I I I can't remember even how I talk about it now, but it's kind of like they're just markers along your journey.

So you're running a marathon, right? It's not the finish line. It's just like, oh, you've reached this part of the process.

And when you really zoom out all the way, you realize that's actually what life is.

It's not about, you know, I I had a similar experience where I thought that achieving this goal, getting this job, you know, reaching this point was going to feel a certain way and yeah, okay, it felt great, but then it was over.

And it was like, okay, now what's the next part of life?

So I think it's good to have had that reframe at such a young age where you're like, okay, my goals are actually just markers of what's next.

Yeah, and and the thing is, no one teaches us this.

Life does.

Yeah, life does.

And these experiences teach you and obviously we're in a wonderful position now where we can look back and in hindsight be like, oh, thank God, it really taught me a lot.

For some people, I know it can go the other way.

I just think that, you know, as we take on these experiences, I think we need to know that we are never ever the finished product.

And I think that's what I was always chasing as a as a young individual who wanted to be a TV presenter.

I want to be Jamila Jamil, or I want to be Davina McCall on the TV.

And that was what I had my eye set on.

And I was like, they had their own journey.

I didn't recognize that at the time.

I thought, oh, overnight they were successes.

But I think that it it just built my character a lot more.

Yeah, absolutely.

So you were saying you were unemployed for a few years and then what was the next thing and how did you work out how to get to that place after kind of being a little disappointed in that initial dream?

Yeah, I I really believe in the power of proximity.

So for me, even though I was let go at MTV, they under this group called Viacom, and within Viacom, they have like brands like Nickelodeon and stuff like that.

And I thought, you know what?

I'm going to try and get a job at any of these companies, as long as I'm in the building.

As long as I'm in the building, someone will remember me or I will hear whispers of like a new job opening up, you know.

And and so I thought, as long as I'm there, I'll I'll be their next choice.

And so I applied for a job at Nickelodeon, which was an advert scheduler, just sitting all day, scheduling adverts.

It was so monotonous.

But I just thought I'm there.

And nothing came of it.

I would love to sit here and tell you like, oh my gosh, yeah, and then something happened.

It didn't.

But the reason I'm sharing this with you is because I never lost sight.

I never gave up hope.

And so then for me, it was also the process of elimination.

I sat with myself and I was like, okay, you want to become a TV presenter.

Cool.

What about everything else within the media industry?

Let's learn every single role possible.

Let's experience it.

And then let's actually find out if you do want to be a TV presenter.

Because you might get behind the camera and think, well, I actually love being a producer or a director.

Okay, that now my goals changed to that.

And, you know, I tried everything from editorial, my local newspaper, to Hello magazine, to an internship with ITV, you know, behind one of the biggest breakfast shows in the country.

I was hustling.

I was so persistent.

With every work experience job.

I mean, I got an email and back then, you know, there was no such thing as, uh, you know, just clicking a button and being connected to someone on LinkedIn or, you know, following them on Instagram and DMing them.

It was literally showing up at the door.

Yeah, for anyone young listening, we really did do that.

And I would show up doing that.

And I remember I got one of my internships because a guy who was a producer at a local TV show, just wasn't responding to me on my emails.

And I just kept going.

Like, I was like once a month, I had set like dates on my calendar to keep sending him an email like, hey, just let you know, I'm here.

And if anything comes up, let me know.

Like, I wasn't pushy at all.

But one month came up and he goes, you are so persistent.

Like, you will not give up.

But lucky for you, something's just come up.

And this was like six to eight months after I'd first connected with him.

And so my point being that if you set your eyes on something, just keep going.

Like, the worst that can happen is they say no.

Okay, well, you can't miss something you never had.

But if you keep going, something might come out of it.

So it was that.

It was me trying absolutely everything under the sun until I realized, you know what?

TV presenting is what I want to do.

And I went into radio then.

Because there was there was such a lack of opportunity in TV in the UK.

And so I wanted to expand my skill set.

Went into radio at a local radio station.

And, um, did that for like five months.

I was shockingly bad.

It was it was hideous.

Honestly, I'm going to play you a clip from it.

But it was just like my voice was different.

I you could tell I'm like super rushed and super anxious and I didn't really know what I was doing.

It was going out to like a thousand people in my local town.

And then five months later, I moved to Radio One Abu Dhabi to host a national breakfast show.

So that was that was a crazy journey for me from going from like a thousand people to a whole nation.

Yeah, wow.

And you actually never know, like, I always say every networking thing you do, every job, every relationship, like,

I feel like we get so stuck in like, oh, that was such a waste of time, but honestly, every little thing has its role and leads you to exactly where you're meant to be.

Right? So even if that five-month radio job was like, oh, whatever, it served me nothing.

Maybe you wouldn't have gotten attention for the Abu Dhabi role if you hadn't had that on your resume.

So you just never know how all these things kind of play together.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?

And not take it personally, because half the time it's not personal at all.

Not at all.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, before I ask you the next question, I'll just share one thing that really helped me be continue to be persistent.

Because it's the same thing with, you know, if you're trying to get certain people on the podcast, or you're trying to pitch yourself for certain things, you're going to get a lot of rejection.

Like, don't sit here thinking just because you see XYZ person on the show, I don't experience rejection.

Like, it happens to everyone.

And for anyone to get anywhere, you have to go through the hurdles of rejection.

That's life.

But a really beautiful reframe for me was, imagine you knew you had 50 no's before you got a yes.

You'd be going as fast as you could to get through and churn through all those no's just so you could hurry up and get to the yes.

So seeing every rejection or setback is just that's one less one before my yes, or before my opportunity has been like a really great reframe for me to just keep going, right?