Speaker A
Gabe, how can I help you? What's up, man?
Sam Shamoun discusses core Christian doctrines, baptism, and faith confusion in a dialogue addressing Protestant and Catholic beliefs.
Key Takeaways
- Understanding core Christian doctrines is essential before engaging in theological debates.
- Baptism in the Catholic Church is valid and part of Christian tradition.
- The Holy Spirit can work in diverse contexts, not limited to any single church.
- Relying on YouTube channels without foundational knowledge can cause confusion.
- Personal faith experience and catechesis are both important for spiritual growth.
Summary
- A conversation between Sam Shamoun and Gabe about Romans 11 and salvation.
- Discussion on the interpretation of Gentiles in Romans 11 and losing salvation.
- Critique of relying on certain YouTube channels without understanding core doctrines.
- Emphasis on learning and knowing the foundational Christian faith doctrines.
- Exploration of Gabe's church background and lack of knowledge about its beliefs.
- Clarification on baptism in Catholic and Christian contexts.
- Gabe's personal testimony of overcoming addiction and encountering the Holy Spirit.
- Explanation that the Holy Spirit can work outside of formal church settings.
- Encouragement to study faith basics before engaging in theological debates.
- Highlighting the importance of catechesis and understanding one’s own faith.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and initial questions
- 00:54Discussion on Romans 11 and salvation
- 02:38Debate on Paul's authority and teachings
- 06:24Importance of knowing core Christian doctrines
- 11:43Exploring church background and statement of faith
- 17:33Baptism and Christian identity
- 26:30Personal testimony and encounter with the Holy Spirit
- 29:03The Holy Spirit’s work beyond church boundaries
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Speaker A
Uh, I got a few questions for you.
Speaker A
It's okay, buddy.
Speaker A
TikTok says that Romans 11 is about Gentile proselytes or something like that.
Speaker A
Okay, uh, I just want to know if you watched my video.
Speaker A
I said this about Gentiles, right?
Speaker A
Yeah, but he's saying, like, you know how Romans 11 was like you could lose your salvation or whatever?
Speaker A
Yes, it can. It says that Romans 11 says it.
Speaker A
Yeah, and I agree with you, but you'll be cut off.
Speaker A
Yeah.
Speaker A
He says, um, those are for Gentiles who become like Jews somehow, like they convert.
Speaker A
I can't answer if you don't know what his own argument is. You don't even understand what his argument is, so I'm gonna help you.
Speaker A
So I guess I'll just, uh, do my next question.
Speaker A
He's also like a Pauline or whatever. He only believes that Christians should follow Paul.
Speaker A
Cause Paul's the—who cares what he thinks?
Speaker A
Why are you so fixated on him?
Speaker A
Cause I'm just trying to—
Speaker A
Cause he believes that we should only follow, like, what Paul—
Speaker A
Who cares what he believes, man?
Speaker A
You give him more authority than he deserves.
Speaker A
Why have you elevated him on a pedestal?
Speaker A
Who cares what he says?
Speaker A
Why are you using Sleepover's opinion?
Speaker A
So what?
Speaker A
Okay, cause he's leading people astray.
Speaker A
By saying that Christians should only—lead people astray?
Speaker A
So what are we gonna do? We're gonna go and shoot them and kill them?
Speaker A
We're not Muslims.
Speaker A
Of course not.
Speaker A
So I'm just trying to maybe gain some insight.
Speaker A
So I can—
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You gain insight by not wasting your time on these channels that are confusing you.
Speaker A
You don't know how to respond.
Speaker A
Go learn your faith.
Speaker A
Learn the basics of your faith.
Speaker A
And once you know, then you can share the truth and refute falsehood.
Speaker A
You're not even established in your own faith.
Speaker A
And if I were to ask you, what are the core doctrines of the faith?
Speaker A
Do you know them?
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I'd be shocked if you did.
Speaker A
So why are you wasting time on YouTube channels when you're not grounded on the core doctrines of the faith?
Speaker A
So what are the core doctrines of the faith?
Speaker A
That Jesus Christ came, died on the cross, rose again on the third day.
Speaker A
This is what Unitarians believe, that.
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Okay.
Speaker A
Modalists believe that.
Speaker A
Okay.
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What else?
Speaker A
What are the core doctrines of the faith?
Speaker A
Hmm.
Speaker A
Yes, so you're wasting your time on a channel or channels.
Speaker A
You don't know what the core doctrines of the faith are.
Speaker A
You haven't studied to know what the core doctrines of the faith are to understand them.
Speaker A
And you wonder why you're confused.
Speaker A
Alright.
Speaker A
Um, what are the core, core doctrines of the faith?
Speaker A
What church do you go to, to begin with?
Speaker A
Just a non-denominational church.
Speaker A
I'm a Christian. It's just a denomination.
Speaker A
But, uh, so, uh, do you know what they believe?
Speaker A
Uh, they just preach Christ crucified.
Speaker A
So like the Mormons do, and like Unitarians do, and modalists do, and Jehovah's Witnesses do.
Speaker A
Okay, that's all they preach?
Speaker A
Well, they preach out of the Bible.
Speaker A
So do Unitarians.
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So do modalists.
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So do Jehovah's Witnesses.
Speaker A
Okay, that's it?
Speaker A
That's it.
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Alright.
Speaker A
Um, so what are the—go on their website and look at their statement of faith.
Speaker A
Tell me what they believe.
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Do you—
Speaker A
I don't want you to give out your location or name of the church.
Speaker A
But if you go on their website, you know the church.
Speaker A
Look, they should have a statement of faith.
Speaker A
Have you ever read their statement of faith?
Speaker A
I have not.
Speaker A
So why don't you go now to their website, if you know it?
Speaker A
Look for their statement of faith and read it for me so that you can know the church that you go to, what they believe.
Speaker A
So you're going to a church you don't even know what they believe?
Speaker A
Why would you do that?
Speaker A
And secondly, your last name is Gomez.
Speaker A
You're Hispanic, right?
Speaker A
Uh, yes, sir.
Speaker A
Were you baptized in the Catholic Church?
Speaker A
Um, yeah, as an infant.
Speaker A
And then I got baptized in a Christian church.
Speaker A
So what happened?
Speaker A
So Christian church.
Speaker A
So you got baptized in a Catholic church and you got baptized in a Christian church?
Speaker A
Cause Catholics are not Christians?
Speaker A
Huh.
Speaker A
Well, I believe they're Christians.
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My whole family is Catholic.
Speaker A
Notice what you said: I got baptized as an infant, then I got baptized in a Christian church.
Speaker A
Well, if you got baptized as an infant in the Catholic Church, that means you got baptized in a Christian church.
Speaker A
But then you said, I got baptized in the—then I got baptized in a Christian church.
Speaker A
Alright.
Speaker A
Yeah, that's my bad.
Speaker A
I guess I would—
Speaker A
No, it's okay.
Speaker A
I'm trying to teach you.
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See what I'm doing?
Speaker A
I'm teaching you by asking questions to see you're poorly catechized, meaning you have not been taught what the core essential doctrines of the Christian faith happen to be.
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And why you should believe them.
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And you're going to a church that you don't even know what they believe.
Speaker A
Why are you going there?
Speaker A
I mean, I didn't go through their whole website and stuff, but why are you going to that church?
Speaker A
What made you go there?
Speaker A
Cause my family started going there.
Speaker A
Why are they going there?
Speaker A
To hear the word of God.
Speaker A
Why did you get baptized?
Speaker A
Um, well, cause I went to treatment when I was 14.
Speaker A
You went to treatment for drugs and alcohol?
Speaker A
What was that?
Speaker A
Thank the Lord, He saved you.
Speaker A
So you went to drug rehab?
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So are you clean by the grace of Lord Jesus Christ?
Speaker A
Yeah, I've been clean for five years now.
Speaker A
Glory to Jesus.
Speaker A
Or four and a half since 2019.
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May the Lord Jesus, fully Holy Spirit, you never fall back.
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May we never fall.
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May we love Jesus Christ and cling to Him even unto death.
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I praise the Lord Jesus.
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He delivered you.
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May He keep you pure and empower all of us.
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You never succumb but be filled with the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name.
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I'm proud of that.
Speaker A
Okay, now, but okay, so you got delivered from drug addiction.
Speaker A
Glory to Jesus Christ.
Speaker A
But what does that got to do with the church?
Speaker A
Um, so what happened was I was born and raised Catholic.
Speaker A
I, yes, got my first Holy Communion, confirmed, all that.
Speaker A
But when I went to drug treatment, um, the coordinator there was a Christian, and she took the people there to her church.
Speaker A
And that's the first time that I ever felt the Holy Spirit there.
Speaker A
Yeah, you would have felt the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church, but you didn't go to the Catholic Church, and you were not catechized.
Speaker A
But that's okay.
Speaker A
The Holy Spirit met you where you are at.
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It wasn't because of the church that you found the Holy Spirit.
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The Holy Spirit found you where you are at.
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The Holy Spirit could have found you in the mosque.
Speaker A
The Holy Spirit could have found you in the Mormon temple.
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The Holy Spirit could have found you in a nightclub.
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And the Holy Spirit would have been there to convict you, to draw you, and save you.
Topics:Sam ShamounCatholicismProtestantismRomans 11salvationbaptismcore Christian doctrinesHoly Spiritfaith confusionChristian debate
