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[music] Father Reper Sean, it's good to see you again. It's good to be here.
Father Ripperger discusses spiritual warfare, demonic influence in government, alien narratives, and the battle between good and evil.
Key Takeaways
- The core battle is spiritual, not merely political.
- Demonic influence may pervade government and societal leadership.
- Alien and UFO narratives could be used to undermine Christian faith.
- Faith and trust should be placed in God rather than human leaders.
- Understanding spiritual warfare is crucial to confronting modern challenges.
Summary
- Father Ripperger and Shawn Ryan discuss the spiritual battle over souls and minds beyond political conflicts.
- They explore the idea that government leaders may be under heavy diabolical influence or Satanism.
- The conversation touches on human sacrifice as a metaphor for societal and spiritual decay.
- They analyze recent UFO disclosures and their potential use as psychological manipulation tools.
- The narrative that aliens wrote the Bible to control humanity is examined as a possible anti-Christian agenda.
- Father Ripperger emphasizes the futility of placing hope in political leaders instead of God.
- The discussion includes historical and scriptural references about trusting God over princes.
- They highlight the importance of addressing spiritual issues rather than just political or social ones.
- The video covers the role of exorcism and demonic influence in modern society and government.
- They caution against accepting alternative explanations that seek to supplant Christianity.
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Welcome to our place. It's beautiful here. I would love to, uh, get a tour here.
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Oh, absolutely. Afterwards, we'll do it. Perfect. Well, like I said, it's great to see you again, and, uh, I've had a great couple of days here. Got some heavy work done, and, um, so we got a lot to talk about.
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I've been highlighting a lot of evil the past couple years, and I haven't talked much about the good side, right?
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And so I fully intend to do that today, but before we get started, [clears throat] everybody gets a gift.
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Oh. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Oh, so that's awesome. This is the Sig MCX Spear 5.56 model with a Sig Sauer suppressor on it. It's got SIG optics, SIG magnifier, and, uh, since you're out here in Colorado out on some serious acreage, I thought,
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uh, you know, a great gift. We have. Thank you very much. We'll have to test it out later this afternoon.
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We'll definitely do that. Thank you very much. Your last gift was well received. Let's just put it that way.
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Well, my friend Jason over at Sig's a huge fan of you as well, and, uh, he wanted me to gift that to you. So, yeah.
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There you go. Thank you very much. [clears throat] So, before we get started, if you don't mind, could you please lead us in prayer?
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Sure. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Direct, O Lord, all our actions by thy holy inspirations and carry them on by thy gracious assistance so that every prayer and work of ours may begin from thee and
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by thee be done through Christ our Lord. Amen. Amen. [clears throat] In the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen.
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So, I'm going to be honest. I actually came here originally, my plan was a completely different agenda. And I came here to attempt to eviscerate and destroy two politicians within the current administration that I think are going to
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overexaggerate their allegiance to the Catholic Church to try to sway the Catholic vote. Right?
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And I'm not going to do that. The last couple weeks I've just realized that the battle maybe isn't over the country, not even over the world. It's over our souls and over our mind.
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That's right. And I don't think it matters who walks into that office. It is going to be somebody under heavy diabolical influence.
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That's right. Maybe even straight Satanism. And I think what we're seeing today is human sacrifice.
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I don't think it matters what side gets in there. They're either going to send our youth to war to die for another country, or they're going to psychologically mutilate their brains and convince them to mutilate their bodies and dismember themselves. And I
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think that it all goes down to human sacrifice. Yeah. Do you believe that? Uh, I do. I think, uh, for some time, uh, this was about 10 years ago I made an observation in a public conference that this is no longer a battle of ideas.
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It's no longer a battle of, you know, that people have differences of opinions. This is a battle of good and evil at this point. And so many of the patterns which we see in the psychological, um, behavior [clears throat] of people who
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are diabolically influenced, you see those same patterns in the people that are running the government and, uh, you know, in positions of power. And so for the longest time I've known that this is ultimately a battle over good
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and evil at this point. [sighs] So regardless of what, as you mentioned, regardless of whichever political party or whoever gets in there, um, you know, you can shuffle the chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but it's still going to
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go down if people don't address this in a spiritual manner. I'll tell you one thing I've learned over the past several weeks is I will never put my hope or faith in another man.
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Yeah. Ever again. Yeah. It says it right in scripture, right? It's better to trust in God than in princes, 'cause they'll end up selling you out every time. Actually saw this even with, uh, when the Jews said we wanted a king,
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they told God they wanted a king, which is ironic because the Jews were the only ones who ever had a theocracy, an authentic theocracy in the entire history of the world, and they still said they wanted a king. So then he says,
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"Well, this is what he's going to do if you if I give you the king. This is what he's going to do to you." And, you know, he's going to send your—he's going to send your children off to war. He's
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going to, you know, take your best lands. He's going to do this, that, and the other thing. And they said, "We still want a king."
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Soon. We never learn. We don't learn. So, before we get to the good stuff, I do want to cover the alien topic again.
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Okay. I think it's a dark topic, and I have an inclination. It's already been put out, uh, in messaging that the aliens wrote the Bible to control humanity.
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That's already a narrative that's being spread, right? We have a timeline of events here that's going on. I'll read them real quick.
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And the timeline seems to be speeding up. Here's the last couple of months. March 2026, Vice President Vance says publicly he believes UFOs are demons. The spiritual read reaches the second highest office in the country.
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May of 2026, the US government releases UFO files in splashy, headline-grabbing fashion. Disclosure moves from fringe to official. Late May, a group of charismatic pastors claims US officials met with them and warned them to prepare their churches for the theological
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implications of disclosure. [clears throat] May 29th to June 3rd, Steven Rosetti posted video. Most UFO sightings are in fact demons.
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Right. Cardinal Melroy removes him as Washington DC's Exorcist within days. Right. June 7th, Spielberg on CBS Morning frames the faith question for a mass audience. Is our God our God only on this planet? June 12th, disclosure
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day opens nationwide in a film in which the government releases UFO files mirroring real events 3 weeks earlier.
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Right? Why are we seeing this sudden fascination within our government in a sped-up timeline in UFO and disclosure release that coincides with Hollywood?
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Uh, my only, uh, you know, ultimately I don't know why they're going to do it other than it's just another aspect of trying to control people psychologically or to manipulate, uh, to manipulate people.
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[snorts] Um, and so that's, uh, part of it is too is that they're playing on the fact that people generally are pretty ignorant about history, like, you know, as we were mentioning that, um, you know, that the scriptures were
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actually written by aliens, that type of thing a lot, or that the aliens actually, um, come here to offer us a way to save humanity. So they want to supplant Christianity and that type of thing. And so my suspicion is, you know, again, how
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much evidence I would have for it, I don't really know, but, uh, my suspicion is that a lot of the people that are in government are actually anti-Christian. And so part of their way, what their goal is, is to supplant
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Christianity by an alternative explanation of our origins and things of that sort. Do you think it is a possibility that the narrative that they are going to try to destroy Christianity by, by, by, by saying that aliens wrote the Bible to
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control us? Do you think that is an actual possibility? Yeah, actually, if you look at the history of, like, for example, of, um, uh, I mean the supposed alien communication with people other than, say, abductions, but there's also
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where people claim to have some type of communication with aliens on another planet through astral projection or some other form of, um, communication. It's always to supplant Christianity as the solution to man's problems. The demons or not, not the demons so much, but, uh,
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because we can get into that too, but the aliens always say, "Well, we, you know, we're here, we're coming," or this is what we want to communicate to you to provide a solution to all of man's problems. We
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can help you out with that, and then sometimes they even, um, will, uh, propose that, you know, that human bei—
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our planet in the past. So it's basically a whole supplanting of the Genesis narrative about man's origins and things of that sort. So the whole idea is to supplant Christianity as the um as the actual understanding of um
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reality ultimately. Would God have made another race somewhere else in the universe? Uh well there's two that my my view of all these things tends to be very complex because of the fact that um as an exorcist I
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follow what's called the principle of evidence very closely and the principle of evidence says that the certitude of our um judgment about something is based upon the certitude of the evidence. So if the evidence doesn't give us certitude, we can kind of arrive at a
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conclusion, but we don't have that same degree of certitude that you would have of of, you know, if you actually saw something or that type of thing. And so, uh, that being said, the, uh, if you actually look at the actual evidence,
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um, for the possibility of them living in other locations, it has to, then you have to address questions like, is is macro evolution, not micro evolution, but is macro evolution even possible? Is it scientifically possible, which is very problematic, theologically and
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philos theologically and philosophically? There's all sorts of problems with it. Uh the other so and then the reason for that is is because um the theory is is that if there was evolution here then that means there's evol there would be evolution in the
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other parts of the uh universe. And so um there would be beings that would you know evolve maybe before us and therefore be more intelligent etc. And so that's kind of the the scientific uh background that they kind of give to it.
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But the the evolution question is obviously a whole kind of interview on its own. But it's uh but that's that's under that's one of the um questions that has to actually be answered first.
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The second thing then is as I've read top tier uh astrophysicists who actually are really serious about you know not just um because we see something in the sky that we can't explain and therefore we conclude that they're they're from
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another planet and that's where the the principle of evidence is actually violated because in point in fact just because you see something you can't explain doesn't mean there's people in other planets. That's a logical leap that is a that's problematic. Um and
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then if the uh and then so the and then the abduction questions which are often linked to those things things um then also has another possible explanation etc. So what's happening is is that people are not following the principle
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of evidence closely. But when you read the astrophysicists um the top tier astrophysicists, they're all very uh adamant in saying that the energy requirements to be able to travel even from like one of our closest neighbors is so extreme that it's it's
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it's not reasonable to presume that it's even possible. I mean based upon the science and the mathematics. I mean why would c why would God create other beings anyways? I mean we he loves us so much.
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Yeah. I mean we see we I can feel the battle within me of good and evil. I can I can I can feel it. I think a lot of people can feel it.
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Yeah. In a certain sense uh and and just a caveat to that. I mean we're the only species on the planet that even is aware of its own death.
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That's correct. Yeah. That's why wouldn't he make another super intelligence here on this planet? Why why why would it why why so and therein actually lies a a a specific philosophical question the um if you actually look at there's a
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principle called the hierarchy of being which basically means that when God created the universe he created it in a hierarchy from the lowest thing like the lowest elements rocks that type of thing all the way up through the highest which
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is the angels at the very top and there's every single intermediate stage has some kind of a being. This is why we see all sorts of different kind of animals and that type of thing um up that goes up through the gradation and
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the human beings are as we read in scripture a little less than the angels.
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So we're the ones that bridge the gap between the angels and animals cuz we're a rational animal, right? So we're animals but we have rationality and that's why we we're the only ones that have knowledge of that type of thing.
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the and so what uh and then to put it in philosophical terms the specific difference that human beings have from other animals is precisely the fact that we're rational we're intelligent and we can know these things. Um so that's what
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makes us specifically different. If there are if you have other beings and other planets then you'd actually have a problem with the principle the hierarchy of being because you have to have two beings that have the same specific
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difference but they're not in the same species. The other part of it is too is and this is where the the um the real supplanting of Christianity occurs. I know there's theologians who have tried to argue contrary to this but it never
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washed which is basically if Adam and Eve were created in a state of perfection. Um and then that there was a a fall as a result of that. Then when Christ came he came specifically to redeem Adam's line or not yeah Adam's
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line his whole in fact the um the fathers say that where the crucifixion took place is directly over the tomb where saint where uh Adam was buried specifically to indicate that his was the spilling of his blood to redeem the
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line of Adam. And so original sin which was committed which we all get we all we're all messed up as a result of that is passed on through human nature. Okay.
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If that was the case then you would actually if that's the case theologically which you know we all believe um even Protestants recognize that there was this sin that they originally committed and now we're all kind of affected by it. Then what
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happens is um you would actually have beings in the universe intelligent beings that were not from the line of Adam but were now subject to the effects cuz St. Paul says that um and which we actually see he says the whole of
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creation groans under the weight of the of the sin basically of Adam. In other words, all of the um all of the universe got affected as a result of Adam's sin because he was the one that was placed
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in dominion over the totality of the naturally created order. And so when he fell, he took the whole created order with him. And that's why we see um death among animals. This is why we see um starvation even among um animals and
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things like that. So even they suffer as a result of that. Well, you'd actually have a being that didn't actually wasn't in that line and still be somehow subject to it. And so this is that creates a theological problem. There's
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all sorts of other issues that actually arise in relationship to the whole positing of those creatures in another location. The second part about it is is that um if if you if the fathers of the church so the fathers of the church are
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those that were writing from right at the death of the last apostles up until about 800 to a,000 and the reason why in the church we tend to pay quite a bit of attention to them is because they were
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so close to the time of the apostles that they actually had the tradition and certain things from the apostles it was still intact. So they actually understood um you know when the apostles wrote certain things in scripture what
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those things meant because they had this proximity of people who were still alive and say yeah this is what he said and this is what we understood by it. So that's why the fathers of the church are so key. Okay. But the fathers of the
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church um uh you know basically um uh make it very clear that we are basically human beings are the center of the moral universe in the sense that um even the angels that were created their entire battle which we can talk about later
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their entire creation and their entire battle all revolved around us ultimately in the end. And so you would actually have a situation where there's beings on other planets where the whole totality of the angelic order had nothing to do
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with them. So there's a lot of theological problems. And so in the end um this the idea that there's beings on other planets which by the way is not new. This has been around for millennia.
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This idea was wholeheartedly rejected by philosophers, theologians and um you know and even scientists in large part now.
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Let me tell you guys a story real quick. Once upon a time, there was a guy who joined the SEAL teams and then he went to CIA and he did some contracting over there. And one thing he learned is that
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when it comes to devices, cell phones, tablets, computers, pretty much anything, there is no privacy. When he got to Central Intelligence Agency, he had to be issued all these special devices like black phones to help protect sensitive information so
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it wouldn't get out. And then this guy got out of that and he started a podcast.
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When the podcast started, he was just kind of talking to former colleagues, people over at Central Intelligence Agency, former soft guys, dev group guys, Delta guys, and then it kind of developed and it turned into interviewing politicians, and then it
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turned into interviewing presidents and vice presidents, and then it turned into heads of state.
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And this guy through the arc of the podcast started really becoming concerned not only for his own privacy but also for the privacy of his team.
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They're traveling all over the world. And so they went on a venture and they were looking for a black phone, a black device that cannot be tracked. They found it. And when they found it, they realized how expensive that is.
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It's almost unaffordable. So that guy in the story is me. And so what I've done now is I wanted to develop an app that's affordable for everybody to protect you and your data. You see, you don't realize how much information is being
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exploited out of your device to track you, to sell your information and destroy your privacy. And so I partnered with a couple of former intelligence guys, NSA types, and we developed an app called the Glacier app.
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What the Glacier app is is the first thing that I wanted was burner numbers.
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I wanted numbers because I'm connected to all these different people all over the all over the world, state actors, politicians, people I don't trust and my number gets leaked. And then I start getting phone calls from people that I don't want
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phone calls from. Maybe for regular people. You're ordering a pizza, you're staying at a hotel, you're donating to a political campaign, and then you start getting all the spam calls, right? Well, [clears throat] now you don't have to do that. You can
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get a burner number through this application that we developed. The application's called the Glacier app.
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[gasps] When the relationship's done, you just delete the number. You pick a new one.
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You can pick any area code you want. That way when you burn the number, there's absolutely zero way for them to get back in contact with you. On top of that, we built a secure DNS. So basically what secure DNS is is it
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allows you to surf the web without being tracked. You know what I'm talking about? You talk about something with your family, maybe a product, maybe you want to buy some new piece of gear, and then the next thing
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you know, you're getting advertisements all over your phone for it because they're listening. They're exploiting your data and they're selling it.
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They're tracking you. So, that's what DNS kind of helps with. Then, we put an American-owned US VPN company. So, you see a lot of these other VPN companies that you think are American are owned by China. They're owned by Russia. They're
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owned by Israel. And a lot of these companies own several VPN, maybe 20, 30, maybe 50, maybe a hundred VPN companies, but it's all one company that owns it. And so we are an all-American VPN company, and we
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store no data. All the data stays on your device. It took a long time to develop this. We put a lot into it. It's been about a year and it's finally here. You've heard about me talking about it on the show.
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Once again, it's called the Glacier app. It's available at the glacierapp.com or on the Apple Store. Right now, it's only available for [snorts] iOS devices, but soon it will be for Android as well, and we'll send email updates on that.
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So, I want you to remember one thing. Privacy is not paranoia. It's protection. Once again, the glacierapp.com.
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Why are we so important to God? I mean, everything he created is for us to protect us, right?
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Ultimately, because to live off of. I mean, ev everything. We we we it seems that human beings. I mean, we we we're everything to him. Why are why us?
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Why are we so important? Why does he love us so much? Uh I think there's two reasons. One is because we're made in his image and that that image, the theological tradition is very clear, is because we have uh
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intelligence and free will. So he made us that way to be like him in that regard because his choice to create us was purely free. He didn't have to but he made it. So he want when he created
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us um in fact St. Augustine makes the observation that one of the greatest signs of God's omnipotence is the ability to create something and sustain it in being and even sustain its acts in being that has the ability to choose
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between different goods. This isn't determined to one thing. That's a sign of omnipotence. And so in us is the mana is his image and the manifestation of his glory. So if you read um the theologians especially like Thomas
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Aquinus he makes the observation that because God is goodness itself the proper object of God's love and will is himself because he's goodness itself.
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The difference is is we aren't goodness itself. And so for us to be make ourselves aren't our own objects of of our own love basically is disorder because our good. We're only good because we are somehow participate in
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his good. Okay. But when he creates us, it's called the principle of redundance. The good redowns to us. And so we are good um in many ways by virtue of the fact that we manifest intelligence and will. We can make choices. We can become
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virtuous. And so as a result of that, we he sees the good in us and then that's why he loves us because we're like him.
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[clears throat] And so his love for us and even when he shows his love for us is directly proportionate to how much we're like him.
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What was before everything? What was before angels? What was before us? What was what was before? Was was there always good and evil or was there just good?
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There was just good because there was just God. The difficulty with saying what was before us is is the fact that we're transposing time on God. So there's actually three states that beings exist in. There's what's called eternity which has neither a beginning
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or an end. And there's no sequence of events. It's just the eternal now. That's what God is in. And so God actually sees what you're doing now, what you did in the past, what you're going to do in the future. He sees
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whether you make it to heaven. He sees all of that at the same instance cuz there's no beginning or end with him.
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And so in a certain sense there's no before or after with God. So God who was in eternity um if we want to put it from our perspective before he created us um even though even that's not entirely
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accurate but God always existed. So and God whose goodness itself there was only good. Then he creates the angels um into what's called the aoom which has a beginning but it has no end. And so the day angels will always exist. Um when we
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die and go to heaven we enter into the aoom because it will never end. So we'll either be in heaven or we'll be in hell for all eternity. So there's that in this life. Um when he created us we he
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created us in time which is kind of a law or a structure which uh regulates the passage of matter through motion is basically the way the philosophers talk about it but it has a beginning and it will have an end at the final judgment.
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Okay. So before um God created the angels and us, he always was. And so that he was that there was only good.
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When he created the angels, he created them in a state of innocence and a state of perfection and also what's called the state of grace. That there was in their uh their natures or substance a qualitative reflection of him, a
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participation in his divine nature is how St. Paul describes it. But he created them in that state of perfection. And then some of them through their free choice chose to reject that and that's when evil first entered.
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How many angels are there? Do we know? Uh we don't know the exact number obviously but we know they're in the in the order of billions. And the reason we know that is is because um it is what
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they in theology we have various degrees of certaint certainty about theological propositions. So for example that Christ is God we know is part of divine revelation. So it's it's absolutely certain. But then there's some other things like um like this particular
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question of whether each person has their own guardian angel is called theologically certain. It's not divinely revealed but there's in there's indicators in scripture for it. So um and then also just through the church's tradition and experience of the church
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we know that each person was created for their own guardian angel. So if that's the case then that being the case the number of human beings that's generally speculated to have lived is in the about 20 billion. So we know just in and
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there's nine hierarchies there's um sorry nine um choirs of angels of the lowest rank is the angels and each one of us got a guardian angel. So that means just in that lowest rank, just one subset is 20 billion. But there's more
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angels that also were given other jobs. And so it's literally in the billions. As you go up, the hierarchy becomes less and less number of angels in each one of the choirs. But we know that there are literally billions. The fascinating
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thing is um according to St. Thomas Aquinas but then also to which he bases it off um Suja Dionius's writings in the uh early church very early church within the first uh one or two centuries of the church that that entire hierarchy of
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angels was created instantaneously all at once instantaneously instantaneously all at once so unlike human beings which God you know creates our souls and we there's more of us that are created over time the whole nine choirs were all all of them created
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instantaneously at once. Were our souls all created at once? No, they're created at the time of your conception.
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So, your souls created and infused it at in you at the time of your conception.
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So, human beings, there's an ongoing creation in relationship to their souls. But angels, the totality of them were created all at once. How long before humans were there angels? Do we know that? uh the fathers of the church say
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that um when he created this totality of the angels then he immediately after that began the creation of in the in the creation account in Genesis he began the creation. So he first you know uh creates the light and things like that.
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So you have that first day is follows immediately upon that and then human beings follow after that.
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Can we talk about the hierarchy? Sure. What is the hierarchy? So the angels were created in a hierarchic structure and there's nine choirs broken into what they call ranks.
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So there's three ranks. So it's kind of like almost like a military in that sense. The very top rank is u made of the the seraraphim which is the very top. And each angel is its own species.
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And as an exorcist dealing with fallen angels, their personalities are so distinct, much more distinct than human personalities. And so you do get a sense of that they're each specifically different. Um, part of that has to do with that if with human beings and also
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with other animals, a species is different because of the fact that you you there's something about them called the specific difference that makes this species different from another one.
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That's called the specific difference. With human beings, we don't have a difference. You and I don't. We're not specifically different. We're both and what in fact in human beings the specific difference is rationality. You and I are both rational. We know we have
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we're the same species. What makes us different is what we call accidental qualities. So the fact that you're, you know, a bit taller than I am, bit build, bigger build, etc. You have different facial structure, etc. Your race is a
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little bit different than mine, etc. So there, those different qualities make us different as human beings. Angels don't have that. They don't have. So, it's matter specifically bodies. It's it's the fact that I have this body and you
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have that body which makes us different as human beings. Even though uh by different in the sense of you're one human being and I'm one human being, but we're both of the same species. Okay?
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Because angels don't have bodies. As a result of that, their specific difference is in their nature, which we can talk about that because that itself is fascinating. In fact, we can get to that in relationship to their fall
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because that plays a key role in their fall of of some of them. But that basically means that every single angel is specifically different. They're they're as different as say a a a grasshopper is from a cow. That's how
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different they are. And they're they're so each is is different. So those differences are then grouped into nine separate kind of categories. And that's the choir. And the what makes one angel um different from another is how intelligent they are. So the very top
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angel is far more intelligent. And so he can understand things much more universally, much more broadly um and also to much greater depth than the than the one that's all the way at the bottom. Even though the lowest angel is
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far more intelligent than us, nevertheless, there's this hierarchy and it's based on intelligence. An important point of that also means that their will is proportionate to how intelligent they are. So they have a stronger will based upon how intelligent
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they are. This is why in hell there's still a hierarchy based upon how strong of a will that they actually have. So Satan has the strongest will because he was from the cherubim which is the second. So the top rank is the saraphim
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and St. Thomas Aquinas says that their primary function and role was to simply love God. Their whole reason for being was to love him. What exactly do I mean what does that look like? What what is that? If you if you were a saraphan,
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what what is it means? What is your daily? Yeah. So you're hold your holy because because he he creates each angel with its own natural law, its own natural set of inclinations. So just as uh so for example, when a human being gets
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married, we have a natural inclination to marry when they get married, there's a joy that they have in the marriage, right? From in being married if it's a good marriage, of course. Um or we have a natural inclination to eat. So when we
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eat we we feel satisfied etc. So they get a fulfillment in just fulfilling the role or their task for which they were created which is their their nature. So for them for the saraphim it literally means just sitting around and
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contemplating God for all eternity. just contemplate and then loving him um at the various facets of his goodness because God is infinite and uh even the angelic in um and the angelic uh uh intellects are limited. It means that
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for all eternity they can be looking at a variety of different facets in God and driving joy and love and loving God, seeing that goodness in him for all eternity and it's never exhausted. And that's what it is for us when we get to
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heaven. Once we get to see God face to face, for all eternity, we'll be learning something new about him and the delight that we'll get out of that will bring. So for them, when they see those good things in God, they're naturally
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inclined to love him from that perspective. Would a human being ever have interaction with a seraraphim?
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Uh yes, they can at times. Uh not necessarily in this life. St. Thomas says that their their interaction with us is um is fairly limited and has to do with the scope. So the top rank deals with God. So the seraraphim their job is
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to love God. The cherubim their perfections that God gave them was to know God to know the various aspects of God. That's why if you look at the patterns of the psychology of Satan um formerly Lucifer part of Lucifer 2 which
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we can talk about his psychological patterns are that of a cherubim which is what St. Thomas talks about and the reason being is because for him everything revolves around knowledge of beauty. ultimately which is what he was created for. But then uh and seeing that
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contemplating that beauty in God. Um and then the next one is the throne. So the thrones their job is to take that knowledge about God and what his will is and then propagate that knowledge down through the middle rank. And so the
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middle rank is actually um their job is administrative. So, as an exorcist, even when you get demons that have fallen that are from that middle rank, you rarely see them because their job their that middle rank is um really about
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governance of the those below them and making sure everything is done right. So, it's basically middle management type of thing. And God created um three different choirs for that. So, you have the thrones, principalities, powers, and dominations which are in the middle. And
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then below that then is the lowest choir of rank of them and their jobs are the foot soldiers. So the top the middle rank the top rank contemplates God. The thrones tell them this is what God's will is. That governance process the
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commands and stuff are propagated down through the middle ranks and then you have the lowest rank that actually executes them. And so uh those that lower ranks which also includes um archangels and angels that lower ranks their job is to actually execute. So
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that's those angels are the ones that we will actually have interaction with more than likely God's special forces.
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Yes, exactly. Can angels [clears throat] advance in rank? No, because what their their rank in the hierarchy is fixed um well let me back up just a bit.
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How high you are in heaven in that hierarchy is directly proportionate to how holy you are. Human beings can actually take the place of fallen angels up through that rank by becoming holy very holy and then they can get a
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position that would be higher in the ranks in in relationship to that. So for example, it is the uh tradition of the Catholic Church to believe that our lady underneath Christ that underneath Christ, the first one is our lady. Then
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underneath them are the apostles and then uh also then St. Joseph, St. um John the Baptist, there's kind of a debate of who's on the top of that. Then the apostles and then the seraraphim. So they're even above the apostles are even
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above the seraraphim. Oh wow. And then other other saints because they become holy take the place of different locations. I've actually have a I have a case I'm working on right now that part of the reason this woman's case is
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dragging out is cuz she has to reach a level of holiness which she's getting there. She has to reach a level of holiness to take the place of one of the possessors that had fallen. So um we can
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human beings can actually take that. Okay. So what does that mean? Human beings because in this life we can perform actions that merit and therefore increase and raise our place in heaven.
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We can actually get a higher place in heaven than some of the angels. But the angels their holiness is directly proportionate to their nature. It's fixed. They can't merit anything. And so that's why they have one choice. And
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then if they make that choice, their rank in heaven becomes fixed based upon that amount of holiness that they have.
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So a human can can become an angel or they can they can they don't become an angel to the top.
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Yeah. They don't become an angel. They they get into the ranks. They go up through the ranks or through the choirs in the sense of they become holier than an angel and therefore they get their amount of holiness that they have would
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exceed those angels that are below them and so they're above them in the command structure in heaven, the authority structure in heaven. I've heard and I may have this wrong. Is there is there will God pick 300 humans for the end
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times to b to do his battle against evil? Um, I've heard that theory, but I have not seen the evidence to back it up.
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Okay. So, it could be. We'll we'll we'll find out. There are certain things we know about the end, like John the uh that uh St. Elijah and St. Enoch are going to return. That type of thing soon.
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Let's talk about the fall. Okay. What happened? So, when the angels were created there, so the whole hierarchy of angels is created at once. Now the way angels know things is the the exact opposite of the way we know things. The way we know
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something is we have to come in contact with the thing. We have to work with for a little while. Then eventually we kind of gain a more abstract knowledge of it and eventually we can kind of have a
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universal knowledge of the thing. So it takes us a while to actually get to the point where we fully understand something. And so and we even see this even when we wake up, you know, we wake up, it takes us a while to get fully
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functioning. And even when we're going to make a choice, a lot of times we have to go through a series of steps to kind of consider various things before we make the choice. Okay, that's because our knowledge comes through the senses.
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We have to be in contact with something and then from that we can actually know something about it. Um and der and we can also infer knowledge based upon that um about other things that we don't necessarily see etc. Okay. With angels
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their their knowledge is infused. So at the by God that's their mode of knowing St. Thomas says. So what at the first instance of their creation, God did two things. The first is he in addition to creating them and creating them in a
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this state of grace and state of perfection, he also infused in them the knowledge of all of the essences of created things. And basically what that means is they know exactly what a human being is. They know what dogs are, cats
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are. They know they know the natures of these things. Whereas human beings take a while to finally fully understand those things. They immediately exhaust everything there is to know about those just by thinking about them to the degree of their intelligence.
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An infinite knowledge. It's not infinite because it's still limited because they're limited. But it's they instantaneously understand everything that could be known about that thing to the degree of their intelligence instantaneously. They don't have to think things through. Okay. So that's
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when it comes to the natures of things. But but that's distinct that kind of knowledge of things is distinct from knowing this thing is going to happen at this point in time. Those are called particulars. So the ones are kind of
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called universal knowledge of things. The particulars are infused in them as they actually occur by God. So for example, the angels and the and the demons know what we are talking about as we talk about it because it's infused in
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their minds. So for example, if they want to know what's going on in another room, they just have to think about that room and then boom, they can see immediately what's actually there. Okay?
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When they were created um they were created into an act of knowing because they instantaneously exhaust what there is to know. And in that inst who they are they instantaneously saw their own nature and their specific difference. They actually understood by
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that fact that God had given them an assigned task. And that assigned task that he had given to them is who they are. Their n it's their very nature of who they are. Then um which we'll talk about what that means in the fall. Plus
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they were given knowledge of all the other angels cuz it's all infused. They give the knowledge of all the other angels and their assigned tasks. They were also given knowledge that God was eventually going to become incarnate through Jesus Christ. and that there
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were going to be certain human beings. Those who were created guardian angels were given knowledge of the the person that they were going to have to guard and to protect and certain aspects of that person's life because they would
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actually be told this is the person you're going to um be uh protecting and this is his that that this is God's will for him in certain respects. They didn't know all of it but they knew a lot of
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it. Okay. they understood. So they understood who they are, who the other angels are, what their assigned task was, what their um these other particular things and then they also knew who God was. And they also, St.
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Thomas says, were infused with faith, hope, and charity. So they actually knew that Jesin was going to become incarnate. And we we actually know that from scripture that they were given that knowledge in the very beginning because when Christ first
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shows up on the scene, they're like, "Is this the guy? Is this the guy? Is this guy?" And then once they see he's doing miracles and he's doing all this other stuff and the nature of his teaching, they realize this is the guy. He's the
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only only Christ could explain that who this guy, you know, cuz we were told that he was going to become incarnate.
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Okay. So they knew that Christ was going to become incarnate and then um uh and they also knew that God was going to create human beings etc. So but they they also knew God. They had a perfect knowledge of God. They had knowledge
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that he was triune because of their faith that God would show showed them that he was tri that there's God's son, God the Holy Spirit, and God the father that he was triumphed. All of that they saw in an instant. Wow. So they saw all
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of that and the resulting factor of that that they saw that intellectually the natural response of the will St.
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Thomas says when they saw that was delight. the beauty of it, the magnificent, the grandeur of it was just so magnificent that they just they were taken by it in their first instance. And so their first experience in their will,
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it wasn't their first choice cuz it was something which the will just naturally gravitated towards because it was so beautiful. Um that was the that's in their first instance of their creation because remember they're in the a room
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which has a sequence of events. So they have they have um that's the first instance because they saw that they also were that in that same thing they also saw if they were faithful they would get to see
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God face to face and be happy for all eternity but if they rejected God they would be they would be damned and hell miserable for all eternity so they knew what the punishment was going to be like then they have absolute clarity about
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that there's not it's not like human beings where sometimes it's a little hazy for us it was absolutely clear the second instance is then in the second instance St. Thomas says they looked at intellectually they could see the temptations what all the other
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angels were going through. Every single intelligent being in order to be in the presence of God has to go through a test. And the test that the angels had is they had they were created with a set of perfections but they could see higher
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perfections ab above them. And they could see that having those perfections would be actually a really good thing.
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But in order to have that perfection, they would have to reject their assigned task because it's not part of their nature. It's part of something else. And so when they saw that perfection, um that's at that point that they they
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had to perform an act of sacrifice. They either had to sacrifice the desire for that perfection that they saw that they would like to have in order to remain faithful to the task that God had had told them that they had to do. And so
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but if they were faithful to that task what they would get is the beatotific vision which is above any perfection that they could possibly have. And so that was their actual test. So that's so that created jealousy uh in a sense not in the sense that they
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had they didn't have those kinds of emotions that we have but they saw that perfection and what it would be like to have it would be a wonderful thing. But they had to be willing to sacrifice that lesser created good to ultimately end up
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seeing God face to face which is the greatest of the highest good, the greater good. And we can kind of return to it because that's the same problem we have with human beings, the same thing we live out every single day. But that
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we have to sacrifice every single day in order to achieve the greater good. But they have that they saw that greater good. So that's what they saw intellectually. So they even saw Satan's temptation and they knew or Lucifer's temptation
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and they knew that if they chose to reject their assigned task and have a and choose to just desire this thing, they were never going to get it but just to desire it. Um then they knew they would be under Satan. So they saw that
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whole complexity and then they made their choice. And so with them they're very different from us than human beings are. The reason God has mercy on human beings is because we're stupid.
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No, that's true. We we as human beings, we make decisions and then, you know, afterwards like, that was a mistake. I shouldn't have done that. And that's why God has mercy on us. So, if we're sorry for it, God will actually um, you know,
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have mercy for us. But with the angels, they're not stupid. They know exactly what they're doing and they know the full ramifications of it. So when they make their choice, their choice is allin and their will becomes completely fixed
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on that choice whether it's good or bad. And this is why even in session demons will say yeah it was a bad choice but I'd still do it again cuz their wills become fixed in that. So they make their
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choice and then the third instance St. Thomas says is because unlike human beings, you know, we can make stupid choices but then we can kind of start getting our act together later. God gives us time to work through that
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process and then at a certain point when we die becomes fixed and then then he either condemns us or he brings us into heaven. Um so for us it takes us time to work out our salvation as St. Paul says
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you know fear fear and trembling work out your salvation. So it takes us time whereas the angels it's a one-shot deal and so once they make that choice their will becomes completely fixed. And so St. Thomas says in the third instance
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then God levies judgment just like all human beings have to go before Christ and and and uh he judges us all of them were judged by the second person of the trinity as to what their condemnation would actually be or their reward in
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heaven. And so they're immediately damned or they're immediately u taken into heaven and see God immediately.
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How how do we know this? I mean some of this is not in the Bible. Correct. Uh yeah, some of it parts of it are not but parts of it actually have to do with two two forms of knowledge that the church
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has. The first is um saints who have had mystical experiences and also just the general working out theologically of how these things actually work. The second component has to do with the collective experience of exorcists for 2,000 years.
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because my experience as an exorcist is not any different from the exorcist in the first century AD. And so how demons talk and what their psychology is and what they end up revealing is consistent throughout those 2,000 years. So it's
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all of that kind of taken together. So it's theological reasoning. So if you read St. Thomas, it's all based on theological reasoning, but it's also based on a lot of scripture, but then also the mystical experiences, but then
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also just the church's collective experience in actually dealing with them. It's recorded information through time.
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Exactly. Let's go back into the fall. Okay. Did they all fall at one time?
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Yeah, it's all done at the inst. They all fall in that second instance. What did that look like?
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Um do we know? Uh well, scripture um the description in the book of Revelation is, you know, I saw um um Satan fall like lightning.
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[clears throat] So it was just this boom everything had shifted and changed instantaneously in the li in the in the experiences in the lives of the angels.
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So either the you know the the angels that did the good their will that chose to do their assigned task their will became fixed in the good and then of course they got to see God right away but then the angels they fell and uh
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according to the fathers of the church and it's actually true by the way in session I've told demons you know I command you to consider that to weaken them I command you to consider the the your first instance of delight that you
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had because that when they f that joy that that delight that they crushes them now because it's so painful them to consider how joyful it was in that moment. Um so you actually see these things kind of paying out and um
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but they also will some of them will actually under certain circumstances God will compel them to reveal what their their judgment that they underwent by God. And so you find out what those actual things actually are in relationship to it. So it's this massive
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shift and like lightning fallen. Did angels from every rank structure fall? Uh [gasps] we know from the lowest eight ranks that there were ones that fell from those.
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There is some debate about whether one fell from the the seraraphim or not. Thomas Aquinus says they didn't. uh a majority of the theologians said they that from that top rank they didn't fall but it was just the ones from cherubm on
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down because there was nothing to look up to other than god basically and say for St. Thomas, it was um that they saw God and their and their first inclination was to love him that they couldn't that it was because of the
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strength of their charity or love for God that they just did what he asked.
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Are there still angels falling today? Uh no. So that all the angels since there's no more creation of any angels and since they all went through that first three instances together um none of them are falling now. So they don't
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it's not like you have an angel that ends up later falling. Do we have numbers on each side?
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Uh according to the interpretation of the fathers based upon what's in the book of revelation um there's a reference where the dragon sweeps a third of the stars down by his tail.
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That has been interpreted universally by the Petristics that is the fathers of the church and also theologians throughout time as referring to a third of the angels fell. Can angels redeem themselves?
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No. Demons I mean yeah demons once their will becomes fixed in evil it's irreparable. It can never change.
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Do you think they regret it? You know it reminds me of a politician. You'll remember who this is. When he said, "I did not have sex with that woman so and so." He regretted getting caught. He didn't regret the action. And
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it's the same thing with them. They have remorse in the sense of it bothers them and they hate themselves for it and they're sad about the fact that they committed the sin and that they um and that they uh you know that they're going
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to be damned for all eternity and suffer for all eternity but they would still do it again. In fact, I hadn't even actually say that. So I said commanded him because I was trying to weaken this guy. I said so let me get this straight.
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By the way, when I put it collally, you know, in the interview, it's very structured. I'm saying I command you to tell me x y and z. But uh I should say so let me get this straight. You were
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created to have the beatotific vision. Yes. And you were created with this phenomenal perfections and the the ability to see this. Yes. And you saw that beauty in the first instance. Yes.
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And you knew that if you were faithful you would enjoy these things. Yes. And you knew if you weren't faithful that you would suffer this and you and this.
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Did God know the fall would happen? Yes. Because he's outside of time. Why did he allow the fall? Is the fall ultimately the test of the human being?
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Uh well, we we are all tested. They're the ones that influence our mind. Correct.
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It's Let me ask you this. Would you want to be around someone who you forced to love you?
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No. No. You want someone who wants to love you and chooses it on their own. It's the same with God. God created us with free will. And in order to have that free will, he allows us the certain
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percentage of people to fall uh both human beings and angels to fall and reject with him for the greater good which is those who are faithful who voluntarily chose to love him.
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How did they gain access to our mind? Um okay. So the basic way it works is their very nature is designed their wills are structured in such a way that they can move matter by its n by their
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nature. And so that means that they can move things within us um uh because our uh part of our brain our intellect is is material not all of it but part of it is actually material um the brain
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basically. And so they can actually act upon it. Let's go back to human sacrifice a little bit. I mean, spent a couple days here. We talked about my past experiences.
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We've done some serious work here. And I've realize that the battle is in is in your mind for your soul.
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That's right. And I mean, Christ himself was human sacrifice. That's right. And so if the battle is within your mind and demons have access to your mind and angels have access to your mind and I mean suicide is a human
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sacrifice, abortion's a human sacrifice. Going to war is human sacrifice. All these I mean all these everything seems to come down to human sacrifice.
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That's right. Why is the human sacrifice so important? What what what what does it represent?
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What what why is it happening? Thomas Aquinus makes an observation which is right along what you were saying. He said the ultimate thing that God wants from every intelligent creature this would include angels and and men. He said the ultimate thing that
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he wants from every intelligent creature is the sacrifice of his will that is ours to his will to God's will. And the reason being has to do with this. So I'll explain the theological structure of it and then I'm going to talk about a
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case I had that um that that all revolved specifically around sacrifice. So the uh in every sacrifice there's three components. We learned God taught us what sacrifice was in the Old Testament. So in the with the Jews he
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said this is exactly how you're supposed to do it. So it in relationship to God sacrifice which we offer to him has to follow a very distinctive structure because if any one of these elements are missing it's not a true sacrifice. And
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so he said this is exactly how you're supposed to do it. Christ himself also said you um when he uh did the the holy sacri first mass the holy sacrifice of the mass on on um on uh good on Monday
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Thursday he said do this in commemoration of me. So he's being very specific about how they're supposed to do it. Okay. And that's because if we don't, human beings are stupid, you know, and we're going to mess it up. So
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the first component is of a sacrifice is offeratory. [cough] And basically what [clears throat] the offeratory is, it's a setting apart of what I'm offering to God apart from me and apart from profane or sacred or uh profane use. And that
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has two components. The first is there has to be some good that I have that I'm willing to be separated from. This was the line of demarcation between the sacrifice of Abel and the sacrifice of Cain. Abel gave the best that he had and
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so he he retained nothing for himself in that process. Whereas Cain kept the best for himself and gave God a sacrifice of something that was good but not his best. And as a result of that the second the second part of it is yeah so you you
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have to be willing to be separated from the particular good and you have to be willing to give it to God in that very process you are actually achieving the greater good. Okay, that is a key element of sacrifice that in us being
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willing to be separated from the lesser good and giving it to God, a greater good is accomplished in in just in that process itself, we become better as human beings just in the offering of the just in that offering of it to him. And
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so, but there has to be that perfect willing to detach from that lesser good in order to for the greater good. So, let me give you an example. The guy who goes off to war, the lesser good ironically is his own life. The greater
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is he's willing to offer his life for what? For our good. The common good of the country. And in that process, the greater good that he achieves in that the excellence that he achieves in that is perfection and justice. And as a
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result of that, he gets honor. So that honor is one of the greatest things that human beings can achieve. It's better to die in honor than to die in dishonor for example. And so he has to be willing to
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give up his own life for the sake of achieving the greater good. So that offeratory component is really key. So you have to be willing up to give the lesser good in order to achieve the greater good. That's the first element.
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The second thing is there is the slaying of the victim. So if you look at Christ, let's back up in Christ his offeratory was not my will but thine be done. So he did it at the mount olives. He was
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willing to offer up his own life for the sake of the greater good was our salvation. And so he was willing to offer that up. And so that's why he told God, "Not my will but thine be done."
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Okay? So that's the offatory. Then there's the slaying of the victim. So in Christ's case, that's the the passion and death of our Lord. And then the last part of it is the consummation. You actually the the victim has to be
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completely consumed in the process because if it's not, then there's still something we're retaining for ourselves.
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So the person has to be willing to completely die to themselves entirely. And how do we know that Christ did that?
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Well, he himself even said it right before he died. Consummat it is consummated. What did that actually mean? It meant that um and the saint um Isaiah talks about this St. Paul also talks about it that the the Messiah had to go through a
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series of sufferings in order to merit for us the the what was necessary for the perfection in all aspects of our lives. And so he he was he was for example the reason he wore the crown of thorns is in order to undo Adam's sin in
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relationship to eating the fruit when he should not have. And then God gave him the punishment of you have to work in thorns and in pain. So Christ's suffering was to undo all of that. Okay.
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So the sacrifice then basically means that in the end the reason God wants sacrifice from all of us is because he wants for us to achieve the greater good and not be satisfied with the lesser good. He wants that's it's a call to the
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greater good. Okay. That being said, so I I had this case where the uh it kept revolving around our lady under the title of mirror of justice. Now the reason that uh the mirror of justice, the reason that was so key and the
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reason it had a correlation to sacrifice is because of the fact that um under the virtue of justice is the virtue of religion. So justice is where I render someone their due. So if you if I say hey go mow my lawn I'll pay you 50 bucks
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if you mow the lawn I injustice I have to give you 50 bucks okay underneath that is the virtue of religion where we render god is due okay what did god do for us he creates us he keeps us in
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being everything that we do can do all of that he caused and so literally there is nothing in us to which we don't owe back to him so ultimately we have to render ourselves imperfection before him that's our goal okay so uh um Okay. So
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that being the the case then in relationship to justice underneath um justice is the virtue of religion.
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Underneath the virtue of religion are four acts but one of those acts is to offer sacrifice to God because that sacrifice is doing what? Giving the best that we have. So as I mentioned we have to render back to him everything what is
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perfect. Well what do we do in order to show that as a sign? We render back to him the best in us. The thing that we love the most we have to give back to him. Okay. And so that's what he's
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ultimately looking for. Now, by the way, it doesn't mean that in that process when we give it to him that he doesn't reward us or that he doesn't take care of the thing that we offer to him, etc.
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It just means that that's what he wants us to give it to him. Okay?
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In this case, so the any time this demon would manifest when I was saying mass because we'd start the sessions with a mass. Anytime the demon would manifest, it's because God had told him he had to tell me something. So during this mass,
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be is the title, which is another name for Satan. He manifests during mass. I finished mass. Okay. So then we start the sessions. As soon as Bezbub manifested, I said to him, he told me, he told you you had to tell me
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something, didn't he? He was so angry that he could not even look at me. He was so angry. So then I said to him, "Shut up. You are not permitted to talk." Now there's a reason I did that.
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One is is because I don't want him telling me based upon when he thinks it's time. He has to realize I'm the guy in charge. And a lot of that is just to maintain the authority structure cuz they're constantly trying to get into
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the driver's seat. The second thing is is it's normal spiritual warfare. This is a stout adversary. And so just as we would in normal warfare, you would just bomb them for a while first to soften up the situation. then you'd send in the
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ground troops. He's the same way. If you try and ask him the question right off the bat, he's going to hold tight and you're not going to get anywhere. So, you don't want to send the troops in first. You want to bomb him first. So,
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what I did is I basically punished him for 45 minutes. And at the end of that 45 minutes, I said to him, I said, "You have something you have to tell me." And he said, "He told me I have to tell you
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my nature." Now, what that means is his assign, we already knew what his assigned task was.
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It was to enlighten both our lady and our minds. Lucifer's original scientist. The reason he was called Lucifer is because that mean comes from the Latin words Luke's fairy which means to bear light. His job was to enlighten our
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minds to to get us to see the necessity and the good in offering sacrifice. That was his original assigned task. And so um when he told he said he told me I have to tell you my nature. I said let's
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hear it. Now when they chose to to reject their assigned task, you have to remember that's who they are. And that meant that in their choice, it was a perfect act of selfhatred.
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And they refused to do that function that God had told them. So what they chose then is the opposite of that assigned task. And so what he does is to thwart sacrifice. But this is where it becomes key. [snorts]
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He just looks at me dead pan, which is gives an indicator he's probably telling the truth. Then and as we started unpacking it later theologically realized this is probably true. Um because some people will say well demons lie all the time but not always.
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Sometimes they're compelled to tell the truth and he said I convince people. So this is part of the cherubim. He's part of the cherubim which is an intellectual function. He says I convince people. So in us it's an
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intellectual conviction that he con puts in our minds. I convince people that they cannot be separated from the particular good. Okay, that's ex and so I I I stood back and I said that's a whopper cuz he knew I knew the structure
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of sacrifice the remember in offatory you have to be willing to be separated from a particular good in order to give it to God and that means when he convinces people I can't be separated from this thing that's how he subverts
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the remainder part of the sacrifice where we're willing to die to oursel all the way to the end and so he knew that's so I realized that's how he ended sacrifice. And then he just looks at me and says, "It's how I took Adam and Eve
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out. It's how I'm taking your church out. It's how I took your government out." He said, "It's at the root of every sin and every defect that every human being has." And later he said it's the cause of mediocrity in every single
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human being which is absolutely true because in virtue when we're striving for virtue which is the greater good to perfect ourselves in some particular aspect which is the greater good we have to be willing to be separated from
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certain things just just take temperance. If I want to gain temperance to to master the virtue of fasting, for example, I have to be willing to put aside the lesser good of the pleasure I get out of food in order to achieve this
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greater good. Makes sense. When do they gain access to our minds? Uh we talk about the innocence of children and and and the pure love that they can give us.
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Yeah. And then at some point in time, everybody loses it. That's right. It's ultimately um when God allows it. So in the spiritual warfare there's kind of a misunderstanding. People have this idea that demons get you just a marad and do
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whatever they want. When St. um Peter said be wa be um wa sober and watchful for the lion goes around seeking someone to devour it doesn't mean he gets to hammer anybody he wants. It means he's constantly watching us. That's the going
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around. He's constantly watching to see where the weaknesses are and where he could take us out and then he might test or probe and if God lets him go in then he goes in. But it's but it means that
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the spiritual warfare um the entire battlefield is completely controlled by Christ. So even the demons can't do anything in relationship to us unless Christ gives them permission. So Christ is the one who allows them access at certain points. And the reason he allows
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us access to us is to test us. Will you sacrifice for me? Is it through flaws in the world like pornography? Yeah. I mean, kids are saying pornography at age eight.
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Yeah, probably earlier. Yeah, that's it. And then that creates a a some type of a desire.
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That's right. A disordered desire for it. Yeah. Uh part of it also has to do with the fact that um demons can actually use that to inspire other people to expose other people or kids or something like that to to things that
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are evil. I've actually had a case where um the demons would drive people around this woman in order to victimize her. So they can actually that type of thing can happen. Um but it's not that common.
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Usually what they'll do is they'll use other people to introduce bad things into the person's life and then the person because of fallen human nature we have a proclivity towards like let's just take pornography we have a proclivity towards what we call
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concupisence which is a desire for pleasure that's immodderate and disordered and so um if we don't do things and this is where parent parental formation and virtue um and getting them the sacraments and things like that aids the children in being faithful to that
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so that they can actually combat that particular aspect of our of our fall, our original sin that we kind of inherited as a result of that. Um then what the demons do is they can play on that disordered inclinations that we
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have and then start just driving it. Do you think that successful exorcisms could be miracles? I mean, and the reason I ask is we we we talked about the last several weeks of my life and and some of the things that I've
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experienced here that I don't want to go into yet. Maybe maybe at another time, but you know, with with with with what I did experience and how real it was in the end, no matter how terrifying it was,
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it only strengthened Yes. my faith in Christ and God and the Holy Spirit immensely.
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Yeah. Immensely. One of the things that you learn as an exorcist is what Christ said you you know he said count he's gone to the apostles count yourself as useless instruments when you're as an exorcist you can pray and pray and pray until the
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cows come home but if Christ doesn't do step in and actually cause liberation nothing happens demons have actually said to me he says you can't make me do anything which is actually true as a human being I can't make any demon do
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anything but then my retort to them is but he can and so he uses us as instruments to basically afflict the demon to punish him to a certain point and then it's at that point that Christ steps in and Christ causes a liberation.
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So one time I was asked in a public venue, how many people have you liberated? And I said, none. But I've been in the presence of liberations where Christ and I've, you know, done my work as an exorcist. And then Christ is
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the one who liberates. And so um that liberation is both an act of mercy, but also one of the things that people very often don't quite understand about this, they know possession is the worst thing.
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Actually, possession is not the worst thing. The worst thing is sin, mortal sin specifically, where you've committed such a grave sin that you're under the power of the demons from your from from [snorts] a legal point of view. Whereas
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possession is not necessarily the worst thing. In fact, possession, especially when it when the if it kind of protracts for any length of time, it actually the people become holier through the battle, through the struggle. You know, it's
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like a guy who goes off to, you know, there's a big difference between a soldier who's never seen combat and one who has. And so this is the and and the whereas the guy who's seen the combat, he's much more fashioned, much more
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honed than the guy that maybe went through a lot of good training and could be could be a good shoulder, but he just didn't have that opportunity. Well, it's the same thing here. When people go through just the brutal battle and the
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type of thing, the amount of sacrifice and self-denial and everything that they have to go through and the virtue that they have to achieve in order to conquer this thing is uh quite admirable.
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Do angels have access to our mind? They do. God permitting. What does that look like?
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So the angels can do actually two things in relationship to us. The first is um they can put an image in our imagination and even put a perspective on that image just as the demons can do the same
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thing. So the demons can not only just put an image in your imagination cuz we get these get thoughts where did this come from right but they can even put a perspective on like this would be really good right and this is why sometimes
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people will come to me like normal men normal heterosexual men will come to me and they'll say I had this bizarre experience where I was in this situation and I had this thought of pedophilia and I had this kind of like inclination of
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the good that's not your that's not your that's not your junk right that's not you demons can make anything look appealing. One exorcist contacted me recently cuz he had kind of gone through that type of thing. He was working with
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this one woman who by any stretch of the imagination was not good-looking whatsoever. But when she walked in the door during one of the sessions, the demons skewed his perceptions and his uh in relationship to it. And he said he
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looked at her and he he felt this inclination like she's just beautiful. And then he realized intellectually he was like that ain't true. And so he just stopped, did some prayers, broke it, and then when he looked at her again, he
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says, "Ugliest sin." Right? So the point being is they can get that perspection perspective. The angels can also do the same thing because perceptions uh are either in congruity with reality or they're not. For example, let's just take transgenderism.
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People's perceptions about who they are may or may not be. If you're, you know, if you're normal heterosexual male, say, "Hey, I'm a male and this is my, well, then my perceptions are in congruity with reality." But if I'm some dude who
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thinks he's a woman, your perceptions aren't in congruity with reality. And so, demons are constantly trying to put perspectives on it that either exaggerate or skew or falsify your perception of reality. Whereas the good angels can actually do the opposite.
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They can put perspectives on the imagination and then in and uh so that you get a greater perception of this is the truth of the matter. This is the reality of it. So, one of the ways that you'll notice that is you'll get a bit
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of clarity in a situation. All of a sudden, you'll see perspective and like, okay, that's the that's how this is actually done. The one thing that angels can do, which demons never do, is the angels can then so there's three parts
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of our intellect. I'm not going to go into all three, but there's two parts that I want to talk about. The first is the brain. That's the image part. And they can put a perspective. They can affect that. But then there's a part of
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our intellect that's entirely m im immaterial. And the reason we know that for example is when we die then people in heaven you know you hear about these with people who actually die and they they actually go through a judgment and
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they might see Christ and that type of thing. Their intellect is functioning independently of their body. So we know there's a part of the intellect that's in part of that. There's also certain operations that we perform like ability
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to self-reflect upon ourselves that we know that there's a part of our intellect that's impurely immaterial that can function independently of matter. This is why animals, even apes, don't have that same kind of self-reflection. Even when they see
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themselves in the mirror, it's kind of a fascination to them because but that's all at the level of the material. But whereas human beings, we have this. But the angels can actually that immaterial part of us is has the ability to make
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judgments about things that something's right or true or that type of thing. How do we know that? We can have I'll give you an example. a guy, his wife, when he first gets married, his perspective on her is she's wonderful, she's lovely, I
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love her, she's just such a great wife, she's beautiful, etc. And his intellectual judgment is the same as that.
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But then what can happen is is that over the course of the marriage, bad things happen and so his perspective on her begins to change and then also does his judgment changes. But he can make a choice to change his judgment about
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that. Like if he starts thinking his wife is really bad and nasty, she may or may not be. He can start making a choice of, you know what, I'm going to start I'm not going to judge her that she's
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that bad. I think she's ultimately a woman of goodwill. It's just that I'm suffering in relationship to her. That means I got to shore up stuff on my part. So I can make a judgment or I can make a choice to start looking at her,
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judging her differently. So that's one of the Okay, why is that important? Because angels can strengthen. It's called illumination. And they can illuminate the mind, that immaterial part, so that when we make that act of judgment, we see it with much greater
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clarity and strength and depth. And so they can enlighten our minds. And so you can ask them, you know, give me good images and then help me to see, help me to enlighten my mind in relationship to it. The fathers of the church actually
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say it was the angels who taught the Greeks philosophy, people like Aristotle and Plato. That's why there's such a radical shift in their philosophy from the materialists to Plato and then to Aristotle.
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What rank structure of the angels is putting images and and clarity into our mind?
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Uh primarily those of the rank of angel, the various lowest, the guardian angel, the guardian angels, archangels, uh the archangels can at time uh they can also do it as well. It depends. Uh there are certain people according to
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the fathers of the church that their stature in life is so important that God intends for their particular life that he actually not only that he actually will assign um angels that are higher in the hierarch cuz what rank or what how
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high in the hierarchy of angels your angel is is dependent how important you're supposed to be in human history they say and so but there are certain people um that God will actually assign um a an archangel to to guard them at
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least while they're fulfilling that role. So like people in positions of political power are generally considered that priests, bishops, that type of thing are given guardian angel, an archangel in order for relationship to that. If they if they if there's a
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particular function that they're going to play in relationship to us as human beings that's extremely important, they come from the rank of archangels. So Gabriel, Michael, um Raphael were considered part of the archangel.
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All right, Father Riper, we got a we got a hot question for you. Okay, so I want to understand why is Christianity the only religion in the world that is acceptable to disparage?
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[snorts] Well, Satan is the prince of this world. And it's pretty clear, at least at least it seems to me, but it's pretty clear I think to a lot of people that um Satan and the demons are gaining much greater
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ascendancy over the world. And as they influence the world more and more, they will use people and they will um use the things of this world in order to go after the one religion that they know is true. I often tell people that um you
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know in heaven the the demons actually because the fact that Christ was going to become incarnate and they actually watched Christ preach revelation they know it perfectly and so as a result of that and they know that he that he was
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the Messiah that was to come that he was going to be the one that was incarnate.
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So they know not from faith anymore because they lost their faith but they know just by deductive reason that this is the true religion. All other religions don't have human beings who started them whereas Christ whose God is
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the only one who started this religion and they saw it and so they know the rest of the other religions don't uh don't wash and so you can you know they'll be as they gain as the demons gain greater and greater control of the
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world and as evil becomes more and more in place there's two d two uh factors that come into play the first is the demons move people to punish the Christians which we saw in administrations even in this country
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where they were going after the Christians and then you'd look at these people and you can tell these people were not living good lives that were persecuting the Christians. So the demons will inspire the people to go after the Christians. We also see this
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in relationship to um uh you know certain religions attacking the Christians in different countries and that type of thing. So you see that the other part of the dynamic has to do with um the fact that St. Thomas talks about
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it in in a question in the suma, but there's a structure to how human beings go from pursuing and seeing the good to actually pursuing things that are evil.
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And it it basically go it's a process in which we have natural inclinations to things that are good. And so, for example, he says he gives the example a guy recognizes that fornication is immoral, right? So, he recognizes that,
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but then Bessie Sue walks in and she's just gorgeous. And so, he ends up falling with Bessie Sue and he keep St.
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Thomas says he thinks that it's you know he kind of gives in like it's okay in this one instance and then um but he keeps hanging around Bessie Sue so he keeps falling with her and eventually he starts thinking that well fornication
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isn't wrong you know and then as he keeps fornicating then what he actually thinks is that well no fornication is actually a good thing and then what happens next well people who tell me fornication's bad they're evil people
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because I know fornication's good that is the exact progression we actually saw in this country. The greatest generation knew that fornication was immoral, but they started fornicating behind the scenes. And that's where the fornication really started. And how do we know?
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Because when the hippie generation started the fornication openly, they didn't stop them because hey, well, can't tell them we did that because we did it, right? So, it goes from no, they can't do it, but they fell from time to
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time to okay, now they were openly doing it. Then by the time you get to the 80s and 90s, you should live with your girlfriend before you get married. And which is a good thing, right? because you should fornicate, find out if it's
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going to work. And then what's the last thing? Now you have people who when you say, "Hey, you need to be chased. The guys need to stop doing this." They get attacked. And so in addition to the demons driving this, now you have people
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whose lives are so disordered that what they see as good is bad. And what is actually they see as bad is actually good. And so they see, and this is why we actually see Christ mention this. He says there will come a time when they
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will actually believe that by eradicating the people who follow him eradicating they're actually doing the will of God.
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I mean it's it's it's it's interesting you know I mean I think all religions have been persecuted at one point or another through time. If you if you if you talk about Islam you're a bigot.
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If you and that's the same with multiple religions. If you talk about Judaism, you'll be ostracized from everything.
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That's right. It is the is it is the ultimate no. Correct. And I don't I I don't understand. I mean, why are Christians accepting this, you know, in all the other religions you you know, you you see you see this uh
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righteous anger. That's right. you know, if if if if their religion or their people are disparaged, right, with Christianity, and I'm guilty of it, too. We we we we let a we let it slide.
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Why is that? I think we let it slide because Are we conditioned? Yes. I think that's it.
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We're conditioned to actually believe that when Christ said, "Turn the other cheek that we just let people get away with whatever they want." And that's not actually the case. you basically when he said he turned the other cheek um or you
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know you have to forgive even those who do those bad things and give you yeah you have to forgive them but that doesn't mean that you extend the effects of that forgiveness to them because that might be bad for them St. Thomas says,
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"And so, for example, he says, you know, um, you know, you should have charity.
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You should have love of God and love of neighbor for the sake of God for everybody, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to necessarily show the effects of that love to somebody because then it would confirm them in their sin
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and it's actually going to be bad for them." And so, what's happened is Christians have gone to excess and just thinking, "Oh, you know, we just have to let people walk all over us." And that's not what Christ was saying. In fact, we
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have an obligation to uh to fight for and to protect the glory of Christ himself, Christ the King. We have an obligation to fight for him. And the fact that we actually don't do that is based upon this kind of this effeminite
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unwillingness to battle because we think it's it's it's you know, we're just being charitable or we're just being we're trying to be Christian and be merciful. Look, sometimes being merciful to somebody is actually bad for them.
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And so we have to we have God is going to be merciful when we meet those conditions always. But in relationship to us as human beings, we can't extend the uh mercy to people if they're doing evil and harm and offending God. I mean,
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do you think this is just going to continue to get worse? I do. What can people do? I mean, in in your in your mind or your idea, what how do Christians, you know, defend their faith. I mean, it's been it's been it's
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being ripped out of government. It's this country was found on Christianity. It's it's it's being ripped out of schools. Many people are offended if you even bring it up in school. However, you know, all these other ideologies, you
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know, we we we we're forced to comply with LGBTQ, right? Islam, Juda, all of them. all of them if they're all accepted except Christianity.
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I think there's two things. The first thing is is that a lot of Christians don't know their faith well. And so a lot of times they get mopped up and a lot of times they don't they don't fight
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or if they do fight they fight badly because they don't know what they're doing and they don't they don't know how to disarm these people. I'm thinking of a particular bishop and in his interview with Ben Shapiro I'm like man that was a
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missed opportunity cuz he really could have set the record straight on a few things. So in addition to they have to know what they're talking about. and they have to know this stuff. Um, they also have to know the other religions to
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know where they're wrong. But then and to be able to see this and also these other ideologies, they have to know why these things are actually bad. But then the second part of it is they just have to man up. You know, they just basically
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have to say, okay, look, it, you know, there's two things that I think that they have to do in relationship to that is they have to be willing to suffer other people's, you know, chaffing at them and etc. It reminds me of the
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allegory of the cave in Plato where the people in in the cave see these projections and think that's reality and that's not even reality. Reality is outside. So the guy tried to drag him outside and they're chaffing with him
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the whole way they're dragging him outside and even if they get outside and they see the truth, they want to go back to this, right? It's the same kind of a thing that you see here. They're going to chaff at you. So you just have to
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stay the course and be willing to tell the truth. The second thing is we have to be willing to wield the axe. And by that I mean we have to be willing to clear the deck. We have to start telling
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people, "Oh, I'm offended by that. I I don't care. I'm more concerned that you know the truth than your emotions are hurt." We have to stop allowing people to follow their emotions. We have to stop following our own emotions in
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relationship. We have to be be willing to follow reason. And it doesn't mean you go around just being obnoxious. But it means that we have to be willing to fight with people and and if they just say, "Well, I'm offended." Well, uh, you
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know, it's tough. That's just life. That's just reality. if you want to know the truth and you're willing to follow the truth. And the other side of it is is that that is is the hypocrisy of it all. We have to recognize that when we
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give into these people, we're giving into their hypocrisy because these people say, "Well, you're offensive to me. What you believe is offensive to me." Well, so is what you believe is offensive to me and I think it's offensive to God. So that we just have
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to say, "Okay, well then what we have to do is we have to be willing to fight the truth. Fight for the truth. be willing to take the take the beating for it in order to actually achieve what's um to
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in order to clear the deck. Now, there's one reason why I tell people they have to be willing to do this. Have you ever noticed that nobody will talk about something, nobody will say anything until one guy gets up there and says,
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"This is a bunch of bunk and here's why." He makes it safe for everybody else.
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Yes. He He breaks the ice. I know a couple guys like that. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] But it breaks the ice and then from there it becomes a legitimate topic of discussion and people can actually start talking about it. But that's what we
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have to be willing to do. We have to be willing to break the ice or will the acts in relationship to this because it's once the truth gets out there then it starts dispelling the darkness and people start seeing it and people of
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that are normally of goodwill will start signing off to it and say yeah I actually believe that. So I mean we actually see this even you know just recent even just politically you were never allowed to talk or mention
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Christianity or whatsoever but now once it's done talk about now a lot of people are talking about it. So it's that one guy has got to break the ice and so people have to be willing to be that one
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guy. But I tell guys you may or may not be that guy. You have to make sure a that you have the virtue to do it to sustain the beating and you also have to be the guy that knows what he's talking
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about. And don't presume you know. You got to really know. I appreciate that. Yeah. So if you're willing to find the truth and follow the truth, then you should be willing to defend the truth.
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That's right. Break the ice no matter what the consequences. That's right. Personal cost. To go back to one of the um points is, you know, you have to be willing to be separated from the lesser good in order to pursue
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the greater good. Guys have to be willing to be to take the beating, to be separated from the the comfort and the adelation of other people. People have to be willing to be separated from that in order to pursue the good regardless
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of the personal cost which is the greater good. Can we communicate with angels? Yes, we can.
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How would we do that? So I think before I answer that, let me answer how actual angels communicate with monks themselves. So the basically the way it works is because they don't have bodies. we communicate because I think of something I make a set of
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sounds and then you hear the sounds and then you interpret it uh based upon that. So it's it's a physical kind of a communication but because they don't have bodies that means that uh their communication is purely intellectual. So
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it's a kind of a telepathy and so the way that that works is one angel thinks of the other angel and thinks himself I want to communicate with that with that particular angel. Now, if you remember what I was saying earlier, God infuses
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the particular things as they're happening in the minds of the angels as they're happening. And so, the angel that's infused in the name uh the other angel's mind that angel so and so wants to communicate with you. Then if his
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just like with us we can either listen to somebody or not. He can if he moves he uses his will to turn towards that angel in his mind then um then they then all that angel has to do is start then
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he can start communicating what he wants to directly with them. Okay. So that basically means that they can use their mind to communicate with them. That's not any different from the very nature of prayer. In fact with the definition
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of prayer is lifting the mind and heart to God. So we're actually we're directing our mind to him and then when we do that and then through our prayer that we we communicate with him what we want then when we do that so obviously
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God knows all our thoughts anyway but that's how we actually communicate with with God is just by directing our thoughts to him directly and and communicating him with our thoughts. We can do it verbally as well. Um is verbally stronger than thought? Uh
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yeah, it it is in the sense that it's uh it's better for us. And so God tends to u it doesn't mean that God doesn't listen to the mental prayers or even if you're talking to the um uh to the
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angels. Um I mean did you I'm sorry. Did you just say God does not listen to mental prayers?
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No, he does. He does. He listens to them. But a lot of times the uh the v when we vocalize it, it helps our faculties become more focused and it's a stronger prayer as a result. And so that's why a lot of times there's also
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certain kinds of prayers he just wants done vocally anyway. So um and because he made us as human beings and made us with the ability to communicate in that fashion he also wants us to do that from time to time. On the other hand there's
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also certain kinds of prayer that you want to be entirely mental. Okay. With the angels uh then what we do is we it's the same kind of a mechanism that they have. It's just that we they under certain circumstances they are permitted
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to communicate directly to us so that we hear their thoughts but that's extremely rare but if we direct our thoughts to them the same mechanism occurs so if I direct my thoughts say to my guardian angel and ask them to do something in
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fact I can tell a story behind that um but there if I tell my guardian or if I mentally think of my guardian angel and and tell them hey I want you to do x y or z And it's the same mechanism it was
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with the angels that's infused in his mind that I want to talk to him. And then if when he turns his mind to me, he hears my thoughts. Otherwise, he can't he can't get access to my thoughts. He
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can cause things in me, but he can't read them. He can't know what I'm thinking unless um either he's causing it or uh he can kind of decipher it. And he's probably thinking about X like you can with your wife. You know, you can
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figure out what she's thinking just by what how she's reacting. Um but the uh but they they actually they can hear our thoughts in that actual process. So uh to give an example uh I had a case with
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a woman was u possessed. I was in a airport was just about just about to get onto the plane. I was in line to uh at the gate and the uh the woman I was working with calls me and she who was
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possessed and she calls me and she says, "Hey, I I'm pinned and I can't move." And so, um, which they had done to her before and then she hands the phone to the assistants because anytime I do a a
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session, there's always lay assistants that are present. And they said, "Yeah." They took the phone. They said, "Yeah, we can't budge her. We can't move her." And I'm like, "Well, I'm I'm standing I'm literally handing the the stewardist
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or whatever the gate woman my uh boarding pass." And I just said, "Well, I can't do it now, but my flight's only about an hour. I'll call you in about an hour." And um so then I hung up. And
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then I just mentally said to the guardian angel of my priesthood, "Go and take go and help her." And then I just got onto the plane. An hour flight later, I get off the plane. And then um uh I call her back and I said, "You
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know, you're still pinned." She says, "Yes, I'm still pinned." So then I just said a couple of binding prayers. Boom.
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The demon let loose for right away. And then she just hangs up on me and she says, "I got to go." She hangs up. Uh about five minutes later, she calls back and she says, "Well, the reason I hung
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up is because I hadn't been to the bathroom in five hours." I'm like, "Okay, that's fair enough." And then she said, "And by the way, did you send the guardian angel of your priesthood to me?" And I said, "Yeah, how did you
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know?" He said, "He appeared to me and held my hand during this whole episode." So the fact that I was able to mentally communicate that with my guardian angel is an indicator that they can hear our thoughts. And so we can start we can ask
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them the way the our guardian angels work is their involvement in our life is based on two things. One um what God tells them to do. Hey you need to do this this this or this or I don't want
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you to protect them under this circumstance cuz I want them to go through this test or I want them to suffer this for the sake of their soul or whatever the case is. So they God communicates that to them. But the
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primary way that they get involved in our lives is by our asking them. So the more we ask them um and the more we uh invoke their uh intercession and working in our lives, the more they become involved. And so sometimes people will
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say, "Well, my guardian angel doesn't do anything." I'm like, "Well, how much do you communicate with the guy?" So if you communicate with them every single day, then you'll find that they'll be actually more involved in your life.
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Now, sometimes people will say, "Well, how do I know my guardian angel is even involved in my life?" And it's very simple.
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because they love [clears throat] God and they see his divine plan in relationship to us as human beings. They know that God's will is for us to live a normal life where we get to make free choices. That's what God wants for us.
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And that means that the gu when we our guardian angel is active, it means he's protecting us so that there's nothing trying to skew us or block us or do those things would cause our bad choices and so or causing problems or
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difficulties in our lives. That's how you actually know. So in other words, it's the more natural our life seems, that's actually an indicator the more the angels are actually involved.
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Sometimes we'll get we'll get indication like oh no that was that was you know pretty my guardian angel had to be protecting me in that particular set of situations but that's not too common but whereas and the way we know that that
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that's how they work is that demons are the opposite. Everything they do is contrary to our nature. It tries to darken our intellect make it harder for us to make good choices. They mess with everything in our lives. They try and
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Do you think most human beings can differentiate the difference between a communication [clears throat] from an angel and a demon?
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Um, no. And the reason I say that is I think there's some things that are pretty overt and sometimes people know, okay, yeah, I think that was my guardian angel. I mean, I think that there's some on the more uh kind of extreme kind of
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levels. But I think that most people's even understanding of what is good and bad and how and how the angels even communicate with and how the demons are involved in our lives. There's so much confusion out there and so little
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understanding of this thing that people actually believe that you know oh I had these amorous feelings for this person. It must be my guardian angel. No, demons can give amorous feelings for people. So you have to be careful about that. Whereas the
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demons are never going to give you uh inclinations to want to love God more, to be more virtuous and things like that. So there are principles of discernment about how you can kind of sort these things out, but I don't think
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most people know them. I had a I think I had a encounter with an angel several years ago that I think that's what honestly led me to Christ.
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Yeah. And it uh it is the only other time in my life where I really felt that there was a true battle for my soul happening in real time, right?
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And uh it was at a very dark part of my life and I basically come to the I I just I had this uh intuitive feeling in my heart that that I was I was uh transgenderism was really bothering me
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at the time. and a lot of other things that were going on in the world. And I felt like maybe I was one of the only people speaking out about it and [sighs] it was just running rampant through the
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country. And so I had this internal battle in my in my in my head happening.
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And basically it was me convincing myself that maybe I'm wrong here, you know? Maybe maybe I I feel like I'm the only one speaking out against it. I feel like maybe I should just surrender. What's the point? Why why fight this? Why speak
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out against it? Why do any of that? Because because everybody appears to be for the celebrities that I that I Mhm.
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respected. Um started speaking out for it. people I never would have expected speaking out about uh drag shows in front of toddlers, you know, and all these things. And these are people that I never would have expected do this. And then and then one
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week later after they announced that they're they're they're all for this, they get a a massive TV show deal, right?
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You know, and so I think I know what that is, but it it at the time I didn't see that deal. And so I I was I felt like I was surrendering my soul to evil and and I I was just like, why why even
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who cares? Just give up. And I'd gotten to that point where I was almost there.
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We had walked into this um my wife and I had walked into this place. We were vacationing in Sedona, Arizona.
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And there was a we walked through the gate guards, you know, that there was armed guards there that were arming the property or the guarding the property.
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And I'd seen I've been there for a week. I'd seen all these guys. A lot of them watch the show. They'd say hi, you know, and this was the last night I was there and I walked through the gate and
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there's this old older gentleman in there. I think he said he was in Air Force Vietnam vet or something.
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And he started trying to talk to me. I didn't want to talk to him. I was, like I just told you, I was in a pretty dark place.
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Mhm. And my wife stopped to talk to him. I'd never seen this guy. Been there for a week. I know I pay attention to security uh cuz of my background. I've never seen this guy at all ever.
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And so I'm I'm I'm kind of posturing like I don't want to talk to him. I'm looking at him over my shoulder.
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Right. Yeah. My wife stops. I turn and I square up to him. He immediately read my mind from front to back.
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And he said, I only really remember the first thing that he said because it it scared me that he was inside my head. And he said, you don't need to worry about all this transgender transgenderism going on with
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the kids and and and and just humans in general. That's not your battle. And then he went on and he started talking about he said something about China cuz China was really in my head cuz I was when the spy balloons traversed the
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United States from Washington to Florida or South Carolina or wherever. And and and he started going into that and and I just looked at this guy in the eyes and I was like, "Yeah, how are you inside of my head?"
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And then a whole series of of other events happened within minutes right after that. And that's that's basically what what saved my soul and brought me brought me to Christ.
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And [clears throat] so what I want to ask you is there a possibility that that was that that was my guardian angel or maybe an archangel?
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Yes, it can be actually. Usually when you see those kinds of experiences which are not normally explained, one of the other things that you'll notice is you'll never be able to find that guy again.
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Nope. Nope. Yeah. So that's one of the that's actually one of the indicators. It's a it's a very similar story um to a priest who the first pastor I was under he had to go to uh anoint somebody in a
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building and when he got there this 6 foot big burly police officer was there and said you can't go in there father and he just says well I have to I've got to know you can't go in leave and so the
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priest walks around the corner and then says no I got to go do it so he turns back around that police officer was nowhere to be He asked the police department. They had never had any of that guy on there. But
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while he had walked around the corner and came back, two people were shot in the building.
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So that it's the same kind of a thing. They'll they sometimes intervene in such dramatic ways in order to correct our path so that we don't end up going down the wrong path.
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Why don't they do this more often? Why didn't they do this to the celebrity that well part of it has to do with maybe they did and maybe they did. Yeah. I think some of it is also um it's how much
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involvement do we want to get them in our lives? I mean do they do they if the guardian angels appear to do would they even listen to him?
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[snorts] So, it's it's largely a matter of uh as I mentioned, there's certain things that God tells them they should the guardian angels what they need to do, but God's will for us is for us to get them
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involved in our lives. You [snorts] know, I've also heard that if you're in the presence of an angel, it's it's it's that terrifying would be the wrong word, but it is just an over overpowering sensation that that no
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human being could fathom. Is there any truth to that? There might be certain experiences of people historically that would account for those kinds of things.
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But generally speaking, angels aren't that overt and they tend to be um uh they tend to be much more subtle and they're in our presence. I mean, your guardian angel is watching you all the time and to keep watch over you and from
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time to time putting those thoughts in your mind and that type of thing to help guide you and that type of thing. So, they have a lot of presence to us that's not going to be that dramatic.
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Do you have any other examples of human beings encountering angels? I mean, we we hear, you know, miraculous things with with with with car wrecks that cars been lifted off a body or or that saved them or Yeah. Uh yeah, I mean, I've heard those
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kinds of stories, too. Another story that a priest friend of mine had a parishioner who um she was very elderly and so there was a little there was a woman who was like 17 who would take her to mass every day but the 17-year-old
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didn't have her driver's license and the and the 80year-old woman did but she was very elderly so they went to mass and when they came back out the elderly woman says I can't I just can't hardly move my arms. We're going to have to
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pray to St. um Raphael to to come and and to drive the car for us. So the older woman literally said a prayer to St. Raphael. The next thing you know, the car starts up, turns, and then goes
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all the way to um uh to their house, shuts off. There was um I I'll admit that when I was younger, I was not the best kind of an individual. So one time I got uh I got pretty schnoled, right?
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So I can see that. Yeah. [laughter] So, uh, this was long before I got my act together, but I got pretty schnocked [clears throat] and, um, I was at this friend of mine's house, which lived about 20 miles from
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where my parents lived. And, um, I mean, I was on the verge of blacking out. Got in my truck, started driving home.
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Then I I mean, all I remember is getting in the truck and telling him, "No, I'm going to be all right." I I start driving away. The next thing I remember is pulling into my house, my parents house. I'm convinced that was my
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guardian angel cuz I I there's no way. I I mean I I literally blacked out for that whole distance. Wow. Yeah. So they do I mean that tells you know you know the those of us who trying to be good
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have had bad past sometimes too. is you just have to make sure that you're you're trying to do everything you can to get the angels your guardian angels especially but all the angels too involved in your life and there's not
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just our own personal guardian angels there's guardian angels of families towns uh countries um churches those types of thing and so um corporations of a certain size there's just God created a number of uh angels and so you can
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also pray to to the guardian angels of your children hey make sure that Johnny you know clue Johnny to do this that and other thing and that empowers them to actually be able to go and do that more
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more frequently. I mean I actually I have another example that just popped in my head. I mean several several years ago over a decade ago I had a suicide attempt and uh same thing. I was hammered, blacked out.
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Yeah. Don't remember how I got home and reclined my I don't remember doing this.
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I reclined my seat. Mhm. In my garage with the car running. Mhm. Yeah. And when I woke up in the morning, I woke up in my room. My entire I lived in a in a town home and my entire town home
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smelled like gasoline or some type of fuel. Woke up, ran downstairs, saw my pistol on the couch, a pistol that I never I don't carry every day.
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Uh, so I think maybe there maybe there was two attempts or or or I was thinking about doing it twice, right?
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Because I would have never accessed that pistol. Um, especially at 3 or 4:00 in the morning when I've just tied on on, right? I go out to my garage and the door handle was like a little bit like
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the door was a little hot to the touch and I thought, "Holy [ __ ] there's a fire in there or something." And I'm I'm opened the door, but before I opened the door I'd made the decision that if I open the
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door, I'm probably going to get blown to smitherreens because all the fresh oxygen's going to rush in and Oh, yeah. blow me away. So, I made that I uh three times I think I made the decision uh to die to kill myself.
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[clears throat] I went in the garage and I saw my Audi with the receipt with the seat reclined back and the car was still running and it was so hot in there that the gas tank melted and the gas tank was
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leaking. was it was a slow drip, but it was dripping fire out of the gas tank onto the exhaust muffler.
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Wa. Yeah, I shouldn't be here. Yeah. And that's just one example. Do you think that was a guardian angel? Was that God that intervened?
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Yeah, a lot of times they'll actually do that. So, um, yeah, they'll do it. Uh, speaking of cars, I had an experience once while I was driving uh I was driving my truck to go out to the seminary to teach a course and there was
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a car here and one here and then I was behind it and um an ambulance comes on the other side. So this car right in the front just locks up the brakes and stops right in the middle. It's like a 40 mph
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zone. Just stops right in the middle. So the guy in front of him manages just manages to stop before it's getting but by the time I hit the brakes. I I I I'm looking at the back of this guy's thing
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like I am just going to plow into the back of this guy's truck. Right. And [snorts] so and I I had my hands on there. It was not me. Literally all of a sudden the wheel just goes I go right
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between these uh these uh posts. go right between the posts and then I literally the wheel just goes it goes right between the posts back down around those two and right back up onto the road and I'm driving. I'm like, "Yeah,
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okay. This is I need hazardous duty pay." But the point being is that I think that was my guardian angel.
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Wow. I mean, even more examples. I mean, I've stepped on on exploded H high explosive ordinance in Afghanistan that that that is that that that stepped on it.
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I took a picture of it cuz I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I should be dead." Yeah.
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I just stepped on UXO HDP round. And and it didn't blow. Right. And there's example my friend Eddie Penny. I mean, he had a a intuitive thought injected into his brain on a target in Afghanistan.
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Yeah. Something told I can't remember the exact story, but something told him, "Don't go over there." 2 seconds later, the entire building is leveled.
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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. In fact, there so there's uh they that's part of that the fact that they can put that kind of stuff into our imaginations.
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A lot of times we you know, we can talk about the fact that they actually can protect us. um uh spiritually or protect us physically from these particular things that happen to us. They can also protect us spiritually by putting in our
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minds, you know, you really probably should avoid that particular person. I'm not suggesting that people should just be, you know, following their emotions and things like that. But the but the angels can actually protect us spiritually, you know, even sometimes
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from ourselves, protect us from the wrong kinds of people. The other thing that I find fascinating about the angels which is something which I actually use from time to time is um this this is based upon uh the the inversion of so
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I'll tell tell the inversion of it and then talk about why they we know that angels do it. So demons can actually do this same mechanism which is because they can affect our imagination. They can the the demons can actually block
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people by affecting their imagination from focusing on things that you would normally think that they would focus on.
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This is how like in our government you can have people who are engaging in bad behavior for decades or even years but just for decades and nobody even pays hardly an attention to it. Like why didn't anybody notice that? And that's
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because the demons can actually affect that. They said Hitler had that he had this phenomenal ability to um at the very last second shift and change his schedule and just say, "Okay, I'm not going to, you know, we're going to go over here." All of a
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sudden, boom, they would change it. There's a there was actually a a president here in the United States in recent past they said had the same phenomenon that he would just all of a sudden change his um his schedule out of
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the blue and then they would find out there was an attempt on his life that was going to occur.
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Wow. So, but the demon So, the demons can actually influence people that way too. But they can also block our ability to focus on stuff that you know why hasn't anybody talked about this particular kind of fraud in the
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government when it's this rampid, you know, that type of thing. And um they so they can actually do that. Well, the same kind of mechan so they can keep people hidden. And so the same kind of mechanism the actual angels can do. So,
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one of the things I often recommend to people who are really trying to really forge the good and do a lot of good in the in in the culture and that type of thing is ask either our lady to, you
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know, send her angels down, but ask your guardian angel or the angels to keep you hidden from the wrong kinds of people and it has a phenomenally good effect because and it'll keep so what'll happen is the type and it's even a mechanism I
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teach sometimes I'll teach people who are run major corporations and they'll complained to me like we just keep getting the wrong kinds of people in.
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You know, they just they keep coming in and they cause all this damage. I said, "Well, ask the angels to keep your corporation hidden from them." But at the same time, ask them keep it known to the people that need to know so they can
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actually affect other people to where they don't, you know, society, you know, I'm going to go work for Sean and then they come in and cause you all this damage. You can actually keep those kinds of peopleh away or or the types of
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people that you know that um could cause you harm or whatever the case is. just ask our lady keep me hidden from them. I do it in relationship to certain people just to keep me hidden so that I don't
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Do we have any idea of what their realm looks like? I mean they they seem the majority I mean almost all the time invisible to us. I mean you know so do we have any idea of what their realm
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what their perspective of this realm looks like and how do they how do they transfer realms? How do they are they in another dimension that's coincides with this dimension? I mean, if you're driving down the road and you
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go, your car goes off and an invisible thing throws your car back on the road.
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I mean, are they are they are they well a dimension transferring from one dimension to the other in a split second? I mean, how do what is it?
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Yeah, that's actually a good question. They're not in another dimension because a dimension is a physical thing and they're not physical. They don't have bodies. They can actually move physical things just with their minds, you know.
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So it's it's a form of telekinesis type of thing, but they they can have it. And so um in fact, it's actually there's a lot of theological speculation by certain theologians throughout history that originally Adam and Eve had the
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power of telekinesis and then God restricted it to our bodies cuz when we make a choice, I can make a choice to think about something different. And that means that I'm using my will, which is an immaterial thing to move my body,
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right? So we do have some ability to do that. And they also think that the um that the saints um have that capacity as well to to do that god permitting. Okay.
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So all that being said but basically what it means is is that um because they don't have any bodies but in their minds they see all the stuff that's actually going on. Now their experience of seeing see for us physical things have a much
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stronger impression on us because we that's the way God just kind of designed us. Whereas with the angels, when they think of a concept, it's far more intense of an experience than we get even of a physical thing. And so they
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see those things with great clarity. And then their wills, they can actually move. Then if that if they want to affect us in some way and God permits it just by their wills, they can actually move it. It's like a form of
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telekinesis, but they can just move it God permitting. So they can apply their will to actually move those particular things.
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Can they see our demons? Yes, they see everything that is going on in the spiritual world.
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Can the demons see them? Uh, yes, they can. Do they communicate? Uh, not usually. Although once in a while they will where the and it's usually uh a one-way form of communication where the the angels are telling the demons to knock it off or
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you can't do this, you can't do that. Because even if the other angels the other the lower angels know there's no point trying to communicate with them because they're not going to listen because they're following the will of
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God. The only time that that seems to be different is in cases that protract of possession.
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There's six stages of liberation in stage with stage six is actually liberation. Stage five is called the ascendancy phase. And there's a part of that phase. It's in four parts. And there's a there's a part of that phase
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called the saints phase. And basically um sorry the that there's the saints phase. So that sometimes the saints will actually show up. I don't see them but the person who's possessed sees the saints etc. But then there's another
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part called the bargaining phase and basically that's just before the saint the saints phase and the bargaining phase is the demons know they're losing.
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they're gonna get they're that's they've lost. And so from time to time the person who's possessed will actually see the interchange. Um and so it's uh um it's very similar to the uh kind of like the interchange that Pope Leo saw of
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Satan approaching God and asking him give me a hundred years. Right? So it's a bargaining kind of a thing. So, uh, the the the demon will actually approach Christ because they know he's the guy that's got all the power. He said it,
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"All power on heaven and earth is given to me." So, they know he's the guy. They can't do anything without asking. So, that they'll actually go to him and ask, "Give me give me this power. Give me this permission to do X, Y, and Z." And
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he almost always says no. But the person who's possessed will see that interchange. So that's about the only time that I've recognized that they'll communicate with, you know, either the saints or Christ or whatever the case is. That's when that communication goes
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that direction. But otherwise that it's just a one-way communication. Oh, good. You know, I've never uh really realized the power of prayer until the the last couple weeks when I did another episode on this, but we would we've been talking about it all
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week. My last psychedelic experience. And I I said some of your deliverance prayers and had [sighs] intuitive experiences of demons leaving my body, right?
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And some of the things we experienced yesterday here um were extremely [clears throat] profound. [sighs] What is the power of the rosary?
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Um well historically St. Padre Peio used to refer to it as the weapon especially in spiritual warfare. But it was basically the rosary was a sacramental that was given to a particular saint in order so that um that those who would
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pray the rosary the that specific structure of prayer that God wanted people to start saying it was given by relating to a particular saint was given to them as a way of if you continually say this then it's going to bring about
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the intention for which you're going to say the rosary for example the battle of Leonto. So the the the church are there and they're they're basically they're uh the the Christians the Catholics are outnumbered significantly in the panto
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and so um at a certain point pas I orders that every all the Christians start praying the rosary for the intention of the Christians to um conquer the Turks. And you have to remember it was like I I think it was
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like 10 or 20 to one kind of outnumber kind of a situation. Um so they they they literally a large part of Christ and even the people the the soldiers at Leonto started saying the rosary asking our lady to invoke uh invoking her um uh
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you know intercession to conquer the Turks. They just destroyed the Turks in the process. So the point being is that the the rosary is one of those particular things that a number of the saints have said. For example, if
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there's a particular vice you're trying to overcome in your life, start saying the rosary every day for that intention and pretty quick it'll go away. And so it's one of those um sacramentals that was given to the church which has a
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pretty profound impact. So would you say the rosary should there always be an intention behind it or something?
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Yeah, you want Yeah, you want offered up for some intention, you know, like for example, given your state in life, you could offer it up for the spiritual wellbeing of your wife, your children, or whatever, for your protection. um or
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if there's particular problems you're dealing with in the in your corporation or whatever the case is, you can pray for related to start ameliating those or to um for the rosary for that intention.
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What are some other tools, prayers, tools that people can use for spiritual warfare? I mean, we we we we talked about at the beginning of this, you know, we had brought up the the the the UFO disclosure alien narrative and the
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possibility that the US government is trying to disprove and and uh the Bible and steal faith from people and and destroy Christianity. What what are and we we talked a lot about the battle in your mind and for your soul. I mean,
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what what are things that people can do um outside of voting? Voting [laughter] as some friends of mine always say, which we've kind of seen even in this last election and when the elections going forward is, you know, cuz I mean, I think people should
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vote, but this idea that you're going to solve the problem by voting. So, their phrase is you, we just have to vote harder, right? Well, that's just not going to ultimately change because this is a spiritual battle. The main thing
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for people to remember at least in rel so there's different categories of things that people can actually make use of but the primary thing is prayer and Christ actually laid out he said it in such a way so that to explicate a very
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specific kind of principle or a mechanics of of how the spiritual life actually works. So he says knock and it will be opened. So there's two things you have to do something if you want the door open. He's not normally just going
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to I mean once in a while he might open the door but eventually you've got to open up. You've got to do your part for the door to actually open. So the the first is knock and it'll be knock and
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the door will be opened. Um you know ask and you shall receive. So there's two one you got to do something but the second thing is what you ask for is what you're going to get. So the that
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principle, the mechanics of the of God is sitting there listening all the time to everything that you're doing and everything say because he sees it. And so he's listening. And I I've um I've actually had that uh experience even in
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session where mentally I just said to God the Father, punish this demon in a way that you've never punished someone before. And he just boom. It just it's just it's immediate. So you know that he's sitting there listening. But what
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you ask for is what you're going to get. And the principle is that prayer begets what it signifies. That's part of the spiritual mechanics. That means in the spiritual warfare, what you ask for is what you're going to get. And so an
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example in relationship to the UFO situation, there's a a book called The Alien Delusion by Gates. And in that book, it's a bit dated, but there's there's some key things in there which still even apply even today. And there's
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actually, you can go online and actually research this and there's historical situations where people have been being abducted by aliens and then they'll cry out Jesus's name. You know, Jesus, help me. That's the that's the prayer that they these are crying out and then all
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of a sudden boom, the the the uh aliens completely disappear, right? And so that that's an indicator that what they prayed for they got. Christ helped them.
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It's the same thing in the spiritual warfare. So if you ask your guardian angel, hey, you know, if you uh, you know, communicate with him and say, hey, look, I need you to protect me, protect my children, that's what he's going to
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do. If you ask Christ um or also even our lady, but if you ask Christ, you know, hey, um, you know, protect my children or protect me or there's this particular problem which I think is a spiritual issue. Can you bind any of the
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demons that are involved in that? Then, you know, can you please just bind them from being able to do anything in relationship to that? So, um, I actually put out a book called Deliverance Prayers for the Lady, which people
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shouldn't feel restricted to that book because a lot of times just asking Christ directly. Hey, this is what I need. That's what he's waiting for and then he'll give it to you. So, and then that's true about spiritual warfare.
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It's also true about just advancing in your own spiritual life and trying to become holier. But the book deliverance prayers with the Lady has some examples of, hey, this is how binding prayers work. this is how if you consecrate um
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things to our lady or to our lord then as a result of that they'll start protecting them and things of that sort.
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So that kind of gives an example of the things that they can actually do. The main thing that people have to do though is they have to understand how evil works and when they see the evil in their life they have to go and ask
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Christ for the specific things. So, for example, if you have a child who's like, "Oh, I think I'm I'm gay or I think I'm this," you have to ask, start asking Christ, um, you know, a give him the
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grace to see that that's not what the situation is or give him the grace to, you know, not want to be transgender or whatever the case, but also Christ block any demons that could be causing those kinds of thoughts in this kid's mind.
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Um, they if they start asking for the very specific things, that's when they're going to see the most effect because what you ask for is what you're going to get. So, do we do we do we talk to our angels or do we communic do do we
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communicate? Do we talk to them or Yeah, you can talk to them because they can hear they can when when when they they can they when they see it in their mind when we're talking verbally, but they can also if we direct our thoughts
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to them, they can hear our thoughts. So, we can pray to Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Virgin Mary. We comm we we talk to angels.
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Yeah. How do we differentiate who we pray to? Why wouldn't we just always pray to God if he is the Well, it kind of has to do with this.
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Let me ask you this question. Let's say for the sake of argument, there was somebody who wasn't even you didn't even know and was outside your corporation, but they really wanted for you to do a particular thing for them. Um, would you
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be more likely to listen or grant it if they just came up to you and say, "Hey, Sean, would you do X?" Or would they do it if your favorite employee or some of the guy that or one of your like your
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wife they went to your wife and your wife wife says you know I think that's good I'll ask Sean and see what he thinks. When are you more likely to give it direct? Well okay that's because you are what you're manly about the
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situation. Okay but most people would do what they're telling. But if your wife if your wife asks you're like now the reason you're not you wouldn't do it is because the reason you like to direct is because you don't want people being
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obscious going around and trying to do that type of thing but with God the way it kind of works is is that yeah he'll listen to us. So the direct stuff does work. And so I'm not telling people they
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shouldn't do that. But at the other on the other hand, he set up certain saints and even our angels. He sent them up so that he wants them to us to go to them because because then they can go to him
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and ask him. And because he likes them more, he's more likely to give it.
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And that's how that's how basic intercession works. By the way, a lot of Protestants will say, "Well, the prayers of the saints can't pray for us." That's such a we believe even the Protestants believe in intercessory prayer. It's
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just who who can do it is the question because they pray for other people, too.
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So, they're interceding for other people. Um, and so the question is is can the saints do it? Well, there's nothing in scripture that says that they can't.
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Let's talk a little bit more about the spiritual battle. Mhm. Is the battle happening right now between angels and demons or is this something that's coming?
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So they they don't fight each other direct well they do kind of fight each other directly but it's um they're so then after their fall there was a short kind of period of time in which they still had they were still in the
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presence of each other. the the ones who had fallen and the ones who were faithful and the ones who had the botific vision, the ones who were damper in this presence of each other. At a certain point, St. Michael, who's the
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guardian angel of the elect, that's his assigned task. He's the guardian angel of the elect, God gave him the power and told him, separate them and and so that they can't they can't be engaging this battle with each other anymore. And so
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that's and we know about that separation because it's right in scripture where the the the um Lazar the the the Lazarus the guy that's um the the guy that's damned says hey can you send Lazarus down to tell my brother or you know can
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and he says well first of all there can't we can't cross the abyss right there's this separation and the only time it's ever allowed to to go to cross that is God has to allow it. Okay. So, we know that that's actually happened.
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So, there's this this kind of this um this actual abyss. That means that in the spiritual warfare, the angels and the saints aren't necessarily battling each other. And the reason being is because there's this thing called prolation. Prelation is the ability of
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one thing who's higher. A prellet is able to command a lower one to do something. All the angels in heaven and all the saints in heaven have preation in relationship to the demons. So all they have to do is command them leave
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and they boom it has an immediate effect. So they don't sit there and battle back and forth. It has this immediate effect. That means that the battle now is primarily in us in this world in our minds primarily in our
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bodies where that's where the primary field of the battle is that's actually occurring the primary theater as you they would say.
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And so basically what it is is that um then that means that there's two components to the spiritual warfare.
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One, we have to get our guardian angels and this and the saints and and God and more involved in our lives so that they drive them out. So there's that. But then also we can combat them to leave as
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well. And so um we can actually command the demons, you know, cuz Christ gave us the example, Satan, get behind me, right? So we can tell the de the demons get away from me. And because we have rights over our body, they have to
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respect the natural law in relationship to us. And so if we're persistent, they'll leave.
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Do angels kill? I read somewhere that a single angel killed 180,000 in one day.
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Uh yes in the sense of um there has been some his that my understanding is is that's the part of the mechanism in the Old Testament.
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They can but they [clears throat] uh they only do it when God tells them to do it.
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And it's the same kind of a thing in which you saw in the Old Testament God telling telling the Jews in the Old Testament, hey, you got to wipe out this whole group of people. And the reason being is is because even the children
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and and to us that's just pretty jarring. But the part of the reason for that is because [clears throat] you have to wipe out the adults because they're doing the evil and they're going to cause evil and you're going to get
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sucked into the evil. The problem is is that the the demons that are afflicting the parents are also start affecting the kids and get attached to the kids. And so even if you let the kids leave, you're going to have a problem with it
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later. And so that's why it was done in the Old Testament. Um and I'm not suggesting that we do that as a form of warfare today. It's a it's a different kind of a dynamic, but that's actually why. But the so in the past, the angels
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could kill entire segments of population, God permitting. You brought up Michael several times. What What about Gabriel?
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So, Gabriel's assigned function was to announce to announce the um the coming of Christ to actually the incarnation.
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So, that was his uh one assigned task. And so that's why he actually appears to our lady to um to announce this is what the actually that's what he was actually created for outside that context. So each not each angel but a lot of the
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angels have a primary assigned task for which they were given and then they have a secondary task that's usually connected to that. And so the other thing that Gabriel actually can do too is to um to encourage us and to get us
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to be more devoted to Christ. What about Raphael? So in the Old Testament, of course, he's the one that heals. So his that he can um you can invoke him for like people who like might have cancer, whatever the case is,
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ask for him to actually heal you. Are there any other significant? Well, the one other thing in relationship to Raphael, so also Raphael um sequestered, he's one of the nemesis of Asmode who's the demon of homosexuality and men. He's also a demon
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of impurity. But in the Old Testament, he sequesters him in the desert. And so you can ask St. um Raphael if you're dealing with that particular demon. Um but you can ask St. Raphael to be the one to help you in that regard.
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[clears throat] What does the final battle look like? And basically uh okay so the structure of it is um the human beings morals will implode so badly that and there will be wars and rumors of wars and all this other stuff
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to such a degree that um at that point the antichrist shows up and presents himself as the solution to human human beings problems and so and he gains significant control over the human population but there's a a part of it
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that he actually doesn't when he get shows up on the scene then um then there's kind of stages that actually start to happen. There's still battling that's kind of going on on a spiritual level but then Enoch and Elijah show up.
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They're put to death by the Antichrist. Then at a certain point St. Michael shows up but he doesn't actually um he battles with the Antichrist but he doesn't actually put the Antichrist to death. And in the end Christ is the one
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who shows up and puts the Antichrist to death. Will Gabriel come back to announce the second coming?
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Uh, not directly is my understanding. And when it's over, when we go to heaven or hell, right?
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Are there levels to each? There is. What do those look like? So in hell, the level that you have in hell, which is inverted over, what is it in heaven? The lower you are in hell, which basically means the more is based
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upon how depraved you are, how evil you actually are. But that evil then also gives you more power in relationship to the other people in hell. So that's why even Satanists are doing a lot of evil things in order to raise their raise
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their place in hell. And technically speaking, they're lowering it. Um but that's so they're there is based upon how evil whereas in heaven it's how good you are, which basically means the more approximate or the more you like God,
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the better you actually are as a human being, as a person or as an angel, the more whole you are. um then that means that you'll have that place up in heaven. So there's different levels in heaven.
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What kind of what are the levels? Um so well the levels are actually based upon um the primarily the sanctifying grace that's in your soul. St. Paul refers to uh in uh in his uh letters he refers to
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the fact that the sanctifying grace is basically God indwelling in us in our soul. It's a qualitative change. So how much we have him indwelling in us determines where we're at in heaven. Now some of that is broken down into the
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nine choirs of angels. So we're kind of in that. But there's also like different parts of heaven. So that they call them parts. But it basically just means that there's certain people that will enjoy certain things more than others based
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upon the kinds of virtues that they achieved in this life or the good actions that they did in this life.
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You'll just find certain things more enjoyable uh in heaven. All of us will have the beatotific vision that is to see God face to face. And basically what that is when you actually look at the um the uh
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how the saints talk about the structure of this beatotific vision. St. Paul talks about I will see him face to face and I will know myself as I am known. So you actually see God inside God's mind.
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You actually see him. And so the way that works is um in order for that to happen there can't be any medium between us and him. And so what he does is he takes him he infuses in our minds this
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um for us because we can't see him right now even though he's here. So what God does is he infuses us another what they call the light of glory. He infuses in us. He strengthens our mind so that all
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of a sudden everything can just peel back. We're able to see spiritual realities in what they actually are. And then but that lumin gloria basically means um that he infuses that in our mind and at the same time he presses his
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very nature on our minds. So we see him literally face to face we see him. That means that once you see him you can see everything he causes everything that he's done all the glory and his in the
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created order all that you're able to see it. We can't comprehend it all at once but we can kind of look at it from different features. And so that's what the heaven is like. is like spending all our time looking at this from a variety
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of different points of view. The holer you are, the more illuminant glory you get. And that means the more you understand God and the better you see his glory and his goodness. And as a result of that, the happier you actually
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are. So how happy you are is how whole you are and how good of a life that you led in this life.
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So if we both die today and go to heaven and we're at different levels, will we be able will we be able to interact?
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Yeah. We'll have all those people in heaven have perfectly interaction and so let's just say you get a higher place in heaven.
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So it's a state of mind. A level of heaven is a state of mind kind of.
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Kind of. Yeah. It's a state in the sense in a different location. Exactly. Exactly. So it just means that like say you're higher in heaven. It just means you understand more and you have a higher degree of happiness than I
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have. I'm still perfectly happy, but there can be degrees of perfection. And so the the people in heaven have different and there's no envy when I see you enjoying the beatific vision. Let's just say for the sake of argument that
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you have a higher I'll actually see how good that is and how God and I'll take delight in seeing the fact that you have a higher place than I do. So there's no envy, there's no nothing. Do you think
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we will interact with relatives here on earth after we pass? Uh yes, we actually do. I mean I that it it depends like so if our if our relatives actually make it to heaven then there is some interaction. I I'll
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give you a couple of examples that I've had just recently. My father died about 3 years ago. Um in fact next week it'll be 3 years next week. And uh I was very had a very strong good relationship with
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my father and um in fact he's the guy that just taught me hey look real men don't do this or that you know that type of thing but [clears throat] um but anyways so when he passed because we I worked as a mechanic with him twice
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I've come across a mechanical thing that I couldn't solve. So, I literally just said, "Hey, Dan, how do I how do I solve this problem instantaneously all of a sudden, boom, I get this clarity and see all you have to do is
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put the wrench on this direction." Literally, I'm like, even though I had been working to try to for this thing out for 45 minutes, boom, the thing came right off. I've had two experiences of that with my father. So, I think there
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is an actual interaction. Um there's also uh numerous people who talk about like I know one exorcist whose mother was a very holy woman and during his sessions he'll actually call his mother down and say hey come down and be
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present to this and the person who's possessed can see the mother. So there they do we do have interaction with them. It's just it's a it's a one-way kind of a communication. We can communicate with them. They can do
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certain things with us. There are very very rare circumstances where they appear to people, but I've never seen an authentic case in my life. I've just read about them.
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Do we see our direct lineage when we die? Yeah. Isn't everybody our lineage though? If we all came from Adam and Eve, that's right. We we'll know it all.
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We'll see it. We'll see what we'll actually see the entire lineage of who both up and down the the actual line.
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Did Christ have a guardian angel? So that is a question which St. Thomas Aquinus asks and then after him it was pretty much the general belief of the the theologians and saints throughout through after that and basically uh the
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we have a guardian angel because we're in the process of trying to save our souls and get to heaven, right? And so they guard us so that we can actually get there. Um so that state and of the
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process of getting there um they historically the saints from the petristics on call that the wayf farer state or wayfarers were on the process of we're on the way to getting there. So the the difference though is is that
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Christ even though he was alive in this life he had the bigotific vision from the time of his conception according to the entire tradition of the church. And that's one of the reasons why we know that he had this because of the fact
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that um he would uh you know he would actually talk about I and the father are one. He could actually see it. But he would also say things like um you would see in scripture Christ knew their thoughts cuz he could see it his human
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mind could see it in his in his uh in his divine nature. He could see because God was causing them.
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So he could actually see those things. So that's one of So we know that he had the actual um beotivific vision. That means that he's not a wayfairer. He's already his human nature was already already in union with God, which is the
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final goal. And so he wasn't on the way. He was already at the end. And so St.
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Thomas says he didn't actually have a a guardian angel. It didn't mean that there weren't guardian angels who assisted him at time at times. It didn't also mean that he wouldn't necessarily in his divine nature command certain angels to kind of keep certain things at
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bay so that he could do certain things. So for example, you would read in the scriptures how um the Jews would try and lay hold of them and he would just walk right through them, right? And so the
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angels can kind of block them from being able to do that. So uh the the Jews from seizing him. So there was um so his and he had he actually mentions this to Nicodemus. He says, you know, you're
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going to see the angels ascending and descending upon the son of man because all the angels in heaven knew who Christ was and they knew that he um also being God was who to whom they must serve. And
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that's also when he said all power in heaven and earth will be given to me. So even the angels in heaven obey him and submit to him. So they they serve him.
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And so um we know that uh that they so he didn't have a guardian angel, but they all served him.
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[sighs] Interesting. Last question. What is divine mercy? So mercy is defined as loosening the bonds of justice for the good of the individual. So in other words, somebody's done something bad. Now justice normally being served would indicate that the person should have to
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um perform uh to suffer a proportionate evil in relationship to it. It's called the lex tion. So the law of the talents which is you know what you which is actually in the old testament. So you know an eye for an eye or tooth for a
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tooth. So you have the punishment has to fit the crime and it has to be proportionate. Okay. But a lot of times that's not good for people, [snorts] right? And especially with us as human beings when we're stupid and we realize,
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"Oh man, I did something really bad." If we suffered the effects of all of our sins all the time, we would just be brutalized from the process. So what God does is he loosens the bonds of justice.
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In other words, he doesn't apply the full punishment of the law because it's better for our spiritual well-being in the process. And so his mercy, he grants it to us because it's a manifestation of his goodness. St. Augustine says it's
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the per it's the greatest manifestation of how good God is that he actually doesn't punish us that he actually let doesn't extend the full extent of the punishment to us for that. Now mercy is we get mercy for two reasons and this we
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know from the Old Testament. We also know it from the New Testament that the mercy is for the stupid. You know you're dumb. Okay? and so I'm going to cut you some slack. Right? But he doesn't do it
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all the time. Once in a while he'll let us kind of suffer our stupidity so we clue in. Okay. But then the other one is when we're sorry for it. And the reason his mercy he gives it to us because
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we're contract. We're sorry for what we've done is because of the fact that the sorrow when we look at the evil that we've done the we sorrow in that evil.
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Whereas when we committed the sin, we were focusing on the good we were getting out of it and that was disordered. So when he sees that order within the soul that look, I've done this the I've done a bad thing and that
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you're sorry to him because you've offended him. When he sees that sorrow, then he realizes that's the order that I was looking for that you that that the soul is rightly ordered. And as a result that he communicates to them his mercy
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and that means he loosens the bonds of justice and they're not bound by it. And so God's mercy is for the stupid and the contrite. And so divine mercy is specifically God's mercy is what she said in the Old Testament.
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Look, if you're sorry in the New Testament, if you're sorry for your sins, this is what I'm going to give you. So there's a certain sense in which it's also his mercy is his justice.
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Because he is going to be absolutely true to his word, which is just, that if you meet these requirements, I will loosen the bonds of justice, which is his mercy. But if you're not, then I'm not going to. So there's a a justice
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element of it. But the point being is is that his mercy um is something which uh is he desires for us to be under his mercy, which basically means he desires that right over the soul for us to be
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sorry for the the sins that we've committed. Um and then he basically then at that point he'll forgive us our sins.
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Um and then he uh then he'll also confer to us good things because of the fact that we're sorry. What's interesting is because God's outside of time and he sees the totality of time all totality of time all the time and all at once. So
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he sees what you've done in the past and he sees what you're doing now. That means that even though he has loosened the bonds of justice with you in the order of time for all eternity that is for and is eternal now he he he will see
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the offense that you committed. This is why Christ dying upon the cross has an infinite effect because it extends for the rest of eternity. That's why it says in the Psalms, his mercy endures forever. Even though he's he
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will look at your offense for all eternity, nevertheless, he also sees your your uh your contrness and then you will place yourself under his mercy and then that's what he lives you let you live under even though he sees it for
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all eternity. So he's literally merciful even to the people in heaven. The only ones who didn't get to enjoy his actual mercy are the angels who are always faithful because they never committed anything evil. Um, but the the rest of
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us, his mercy endures forever. Beautiful. Well Father I feel really good about this interview.
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Good. Would you like to end it in a prayer? Sure. Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
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Jesus, we give you thanks for everything that you have given us during this and for all of the knowledge that you have communicated through divine revelation which has come down through us through the tradition of the Catholic Church and
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that we have actually been able to make use of. We also thank you for all of the graces that you have given to all of us.
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And we ask you to continue to give us the grace so that we may be faithful to your call to become holier, but also that we may be willing to follow the truth regardless of the personal cost.
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And in that then, God, we will finally arrive at you who is truth itself. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.
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Amen. Right. Well, father, I hope the next time I see us, uh, fly fishing on the river.
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I hope [music] so, too. All right. Thank God bless you. God bless. No matter where you're watching the Shaun Ryan Show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere
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