Episode 74: Turkish Lore and The Poverty Cult (Ft. @HasanAbi)

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the job if you want to steal five minutes from your boss we upload three times a week so you'll always have the most up-to-date news from around the world including the stuff that the mainstream media won't cover first

Now on to the show. I'm a little bummed that we're not doing the camera on right now, because I am currently wearing a Dua Lipa shirt. I did wear my Dua Lipa shirt on purpose. We are all Albanian on this day. We are exactly right, you know she's, she is. I mean, obviously I shouldn't get started with the ball composing this early, but you know, just wanted to let you know that I am currently wearing a Dua Lipa shirt.

camera on right now because I am currently wearing a Dua Lipa shirt I did I did wear my my I did wear my dual Lipa shirt on purpose uh we are all Albanian on this day we are exactly

Honestly, even the staunchest anti-Albanian, you know, Serbian, Montenegrin, or Bosnian, when they listen to Dua Lipa, Yugoslavia starts re-emerging in our, in our genes, to your souls. Yes, people forget the bunkers. If she was a Tito, she would be unstoppable. Oh hell yes, hell yes, exactly right. Shame she was Albanian, not some mixing of all your ethnicities, then she would have been actually... then no, she's probably super mixed between all the other ones, and our Albanian listeners are probably going to lose their [ __ ] I know a [ __ ] ton of Albanians, right JT? They're all Turks, bro.

anti-albanian you know server montenegrian or Bosnian uh when they listen to Dua Lipa the the Yugoslavia starts re-emerging in our in our gear to your souls yes people forget the bunkers if she was a Tito she would be

Last night with an Albanian, this dude was like, meter 60, 65, so that in American freedom... meet like units, I have no idea how much that is, but all Albanians are very, very short [ __ ]. But closer, the closer you go towards, you know, Kosovo, and the closer you go to Serbia, the taller they become. And as we all know, Dua Lipa is a very tall Albanian. This is a legit, like, I hear the calipers coming out. Okay, there is no difference between people based on head size. I think Hassan will approve this, because he's a small baby boy. Actually, you're not. But, the closer you go, the closer you go to Serbia, the taller the [ __ ] Albanians become, which is why, obviously, and through ethnic things, so basically my argument is no matter how much Dua Lipa does not want to admit it, her, just like all peoples of this world, are also part Serbian.

listeners are probably going to lose their [ __ ] I know a [ __ ] ton of albanians right JT they're all Turks bro last night with an Albanian this dude was like meter 60 65 so that in American Freedom meet

Well, can you explain that, actually? Essences, we actually have you on the podcast. Could you explain the "you having a small head" meme? I don't get it. You have a regular-size head. Is there something I'm missing? Thank you for saying that. Uh, I have PayPal'd you. Oh wait, in Iraq, I think so. I will be using what, what the [ __ ] could you use as a payment processor? International wire, and then afterwards basically be harassed for G-Bucks. Oh yeah, I work with, uh, I work, so one of my editors, like I work with mostly my fans, right, that are, you know, become editors, and one of them's in Pakistan, and it is such a [ __ ] to pay him. It is so, and like, that's a CIA client state. What the [ __ ] is going on? You know what I mean? At least let them have PayPal, you know, but it's just, it's so frustrating. Uh, anyway, that was random. It's, it's proper, because JT, for example, has me and Hakeem by the balls. Actually, this is a new podcast, Lord, that maybe all the listeners don't know, because it was extremely difficult to organize a legal entity in which we are all members of. So basically we're registered in front of the state and in front of the world as JT's literal employees. So if at any point he wakes up one morning and he's like, "I'm gonna make this podcast mine," which is impossible, because the podcast is literally the three of us talking into a [ __ ] microphone, he would basically legally be able to do it.

they become and as we all know Dua Lipa is a very tall albedience this is a legit like I hear the calipers coming out okay there is no difference between People based on on head size I think Hassan will approve this because

We're, uh, what are we even classified as, Hakeem? We were like, uh, contractors, basically. No, no pension. No pension plan from JT, from Second Thought Enterprise, or whatever, Second Thought Inc. There's a reason I've got you boys locked in the basement and producing content for me, because I know that this requires all three of us. And despite my legal privileges as, uh, you're a big scary boss, uh, you need to be contained, otherwise you'll flee, man. With these [ __ ] chatbots, you probably can, uh, take, like, uh, what, like 500 hours' worth of content that we've already made, put it into a chatbox, and it's gonna recreate us perfectly, which for Hassan would be probably even easier. In August, I'm not calling you, uh, vanilla, just, you literally have, like, a hundred thousand streaming hours or some [ __ ]. Just plug all of that in before this started popping off, like chatbots and whatnot. My editor Asanox had already made Hostenox. I gave him permission, like, two years ago, three years ago I think, to start, basically, stealing my voice and recreating it with artificial intelligence. He's been doing that, we've been doing that at Twitch for years, before it started becoming way more mainstream.

Lipa does not want to admit it her just like all peoples of this world are also part Serbian well can you explain that actually Essences we actually have you on the podcast could you explain the you having a small head

Are we even talking to Hassan right now, or is it just [ __ ] Austin, who's typing very quickly? Yeah, you can never know. I mean, I think that technology is not as terrifying as it seems. It's in its infancy, so it's pretty obvious when you're talking to a chatbot. I try to get it to do some [ __ ] every now and then for content, and it's so [ __ ] boring, and it's never interesting, unique, or clever. And it's, you know, overall very liberal. Is it, though? Yeah, straight-up live answer, because when I ask it anything fascism-related, like I want to make a video or whatever, essay, it immediately does not want to give you any professional arguments. That's why I say it's very liberal. Yeah, no, no, but when I ask it to explain something from a quote-unquote Marxist perspective, it doesn't just give me the 100 gorillion dead Stalin big spoon Zella. It actually gives me proper Marxian views and analysis, blah blah blah. But that's probably because I feed it the same story. Exactly. But I'm just waiting for somebody to edit that out and force it to give the same sort of prompts that it gives whenever you ask good questions about fascism. Right? So they're probably going to go in that direction, so you get the typical Wikipedia page for the answers.

as a payment processor International wire and then afterwards basically be harassed or G bucks oh yeah I work with uh I work so one of my editors like I work with mostly my fans right that are that you know become

I was gonna ask a very controversial question for a Turk: what is your preferred...

them have PayPal you know but it's just it's so it's so frustrating uh anyway that was that was random it's it's proper because JT for example has me and Hakeem by the balls actually this is a new podcast Lord that maybe all the

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if at any point you know he wakes up one morning he's like I'm gonna make this podcast mine which is impossible because the podcast is literally the three of us talking into a [ __ ] microphone he would basically legally be able to do it

I don't think it's that controversial at all. First of all, I'm a raw boy. I only do onions. I think onions are the best. I'm a purist in that sense, maybe a little bit of lemon. I'll hit it with a dab of lemon. What's the Domino's in English? What is it called, the green [ __ ]? What is it called? Would you say parsley? Is that what it is? Yeah, I was gonna say, would you absolutely stuff it full of parsley? No, to unlock the... no. All right, yes, no. So here's the thing: a lot of people do that in Turkey, and I don't [ __ ] with that. I think the meat, the mince meat, all of that, it's perfect. I want everything else to be complementary to the meat, and I feel like when you put the parsley in, when you just load it up with parsley, I think it's too much. Some people put tomatoes in there too. I don't know. That's why I said onions, you know, spiced onions with sumac. That's as far as I would go, I think, and a dash of... oh my God, my mouth is watering. Bro, I haven't had lahmacun in years. Really? Dude, make it at home, man, it's not that hard. No, I don't, I don't got time to make it. Dude, you can stream it. You could literally stream making that, make your money, and get paid probably to do it.

producing content for me because I know that uh this requires all three of us and then despite my legal privileges as uh you're a big scary boss uh you need to be contained otherwise you'll flee man with these [ __ ] chat

Bots you probably can uh take like uh what like 500 hours worth of content that we've already made into a chat box it's gonna recreate us perfectly which for for Hassan that would be probably even easier in Augustana I'm not calling

you uh vanilla just you literally have what like a hundred thousand streaming hours or some [ __ ] just plug all of that before the start before this started popping off like chat box and whatnot like my editor asanox had already made

hostenox I gave him permission like two years ago three years ago I think to start like basically uh you know stealing my voice and recreating and artificial intelligence he's been doing that for we've been doing that at twitch

for years before it like started becoming way more mainstream are we even talking to Hassan right now or is it just [ __ ] Austin who's typing very quickly yeah you can never know I mean I think like that technology is not as

terrifying it says it's it it's infancy so it's pretty obvious when you're talking to a chatbot like I try to get it to do some [ __ ] every now and then for content and it's like so [ __ ]

boring uh and it's never it's never interesting unique clever and it's a you know overall very liberal is it though yeah Straight live answer because like uh when I ask it anything like fascism related like I want to make

a video or whatever uh [ __ ] essay uh it immediately does not want to give you any like Pro uh professional arguments but whenever I ask it yeah that's why I say it's very liberal yeah no no but

when I ask you to like explain something from a quote Marxist perspective it doesn't just you know give me the 100 gorillion uh Dead uh Stalin big spoon uh Zella it actually like gives me proper like marxian like uh views and Analysis

blah blah blah but that's because probably because I feel this from the same story exactly but I'm I'm just waiting for uh somebody to edit that out and force it to give the same sort of prompts that it gives whenever you ask

like good questions about fascism right so they're gonna do uh they're probably gonna go in that direction so you get the typical Wikipedia page for the answers I was gonna ask a very controversial question for a Turk what is your preferred

[Music] I don't think it's that controversial at all um first of all I'm a raw boy I only I only do onions I think that onions is the best like I'm a purist in that sense maybe a little bit

of lemon I'll hit it with a with a you know dab of lemon um what's my Domino's in English what what is I don't know what it is called the the green [ __ ] what is it called

what would you say would it parsley is that what it is yeah I was gonna say would you absolutely stuff it full of parsley no to unlock the no all right yes no so here's the thing a lot of people do that in turkey and I

don't [ __ ] with that I think like the the meat the mince meat like all of that it's perfect like I want I want everything else to be complementary to the meat and I feel like when you put

the parsley when you just you know load it up with parsley I think it's too much some people put tomatoes in there too I I don't know that's why I said like onions um you know the spice onions with like

sumac um that's what that's as far as I would go I think and and a dash of uh oh my God my mouth is watering bro I haven't had La homage in years really dude make it at home man it's not that hard no I

don't I don't got time to make your problem dude you can stream it you could literally stream making that my genie and get paid probably to do it just yeah yeah that's true I definitely would that would pop off

dude just [ __ ] it's it's a lot of fun to make too and you get to mess about like uh if you like it a bit spicier or less spicy depending on your depending on your tastes then you can uh you can

play around with that if you like to throw smuck into the actual meat mix as well by the way JT I'm sorry we completely lost you yeah I'm over here playing Subway Surfer even I'm like hanging on by a thread you know I'm

basically almost one of these [ __ ] people and the channel I'm like what the [ __ ] is exactly right not that like I know parsley's looked very uh down upon in like Western Balkans especially I don't even know why it's like uh it's

like it's looked as you know a cheat code to actually give additional taste to to uh to meals that already can uh can have it without it because it's so intense parsley tastes like healthy but good um I'm not the biggest uh parsley fan

straight up I mean I'll have it I'm not against it but yeah I'm not you know I'm not going crazy over it this is a hard-hitting uh interview questions that people come come to us for so don't yeah

so boys I've got one thing one thing to ask of you one humble favor today is my 30th birthday I would love nothing more than for the three of you boys to sing me Happy Birthday Jesus Christ what language are we

singing in let's all sing it in a different language by the way happy birthday bro why the [ __ ] did you tell me YouTube I'm actually supposed to know it's your birthday Jesus Christ uh let's fall at the same time so in in Arab in

Turkish and I'll do server creation let's all shout at our mics and do happy birthday for 10 seconds this is gonna be chaotic does that sound good okay yes please three two one yeah thank you boys that was beautiful now

you get a clap and then you and now you have to do the weird Indonesian slash Brazilian tradition of almost blowing out your cake and then everybody picking up pieces of your cake and then throwing them at you I don't know why they do it

but they do it so uh that sounds like please please imagine that no it's horrible the video of that like eight-year-old he gets his ass beat I just [ __ ] hello and welcome to yet another episode of the the program uh today we have the

arguably most requested guest of all time the most handsomest of handsome boys the twitch leftist Menace the ultimate gen Zed communist Whisperer Hassan [ __ ] joining us directly from La uh Hassan for those of you living under

a tree is in my modest opinion one of the most successful socialist agitators of our time having Found A Perfect Blend between entertainment and information he's been able to introduce countless short attention span having people to the anti-capitalist school of thought

including as we previously learned even my girlfriend to an extent so without further Ado hello Hassan thank you for coming and please tell our audience a bit about yourself before we get started what's going on everyone thanks for

having me uh I live in L.A I am a uh a a I guess Bourgeois class Trader not really but uh you know that's what everybody thinks I am and uh you know I I do twitch streams I'm just an

Entertainer who has a a relatively anti-capitalist perspective I would say but uh you know I try to do my best very good so uh everyone here and everyone in general seems for like American Hassan and uh While most have heard about him

we want to hear in the style of This truly International show a bit more about Turkish Hassan you know JT is enough America for a whole continent let alone this show and with me Hakeem and you we would I guess basically uh be

create recreating the whole Ottoman Empire God forbid from my perspective you [ __ ] are probably salivating with some [ __ ] but uh yeah there's the Glory Days there's Glory Days for everybody uh but yeah give her

give her listen there's some [ __ ] give or listen there's some uh background when did the your family move to the states and you know what was like proper like old school Turkish Hassan like uh very different from who

you are today or uh or not give us a rundown could you give us your social security number yeah I'm sorry so so my family never technically moved to America I guess uh depending on how you look at it like my dad still lives in

Turkey I'm an anchor baby in the sense that like I was I I was given birth to on U.S soil so I could have American citizenship but immediately shipped back to Turkey grew up in Turkey until I was

18. I did visit America on certain Summers obviously come from an affluent background you can't do that when you're in Turkey unless your family is like kind of Caked Up you know or at least like in some way shape or form connected

to America so I uh I did all that um I was always fascinated with American culture I was a Marabou as I like to call it you know I I read English books I watched American TV shows and that's

part of the reason why like I I have been fully assimilated to American culture before even stepping foot on U.S soil permanently and uh yeah when it was 18 I came out here for college that's what I wanted to do I wanted to do that

more than anything else like when back in the day when uh you know kids were ass like what do you want to do when you're older my goal was go to college in America I'm not even kidding I don't

know why that was like something I loved so much because you know it's not as great as people make it out to be it's pretty fun but it's not like the absolute best thing on the planet right and that's what I would say and then I

did I did do that and uh and I inevitably I moved from University of Miami to Rutgers because I was partying a little too hard my parents not like that and then after graduating Rutgers I was like I need to get the [ __ ] out of

New Jersey and I moved to Los Angeles um two different instances where I basically like lied to my parents was one originally my dad didn't want me to come to America go to college so I was just I kind of studied not fully but in

in secret for the SATs um and then the second time was when I was like yeah I'll take the lsats in Los Angeles I'll take the law school SATs basically uh in Los Angeles and then I had no intention to go into law school I

mean that's very interesting because a lot of like I personally met a [ __ ] ton of people that get shipped back here at some point that for example grew up for like 15 16 17 years in the states and

then they they come to check out the quote-unquote uh old country and a lot of them fall in love with it uh not only fall in love with the realize that you are as funny as it sounds get some

bigger benefits here in this like developing world than you uh then you might get uh over and quite literally the richest country on the planet but there's also obviously the opposite which I guess is very similar to your

situation and I hear like people my friends that live be it in the US be it in Canada or the UK constantly talk about how when they give when they have uh kids uh they will definitely try and have their kids raised locally

in the in the quote unquote Old Country so that they don't get uh you know become [ __ ] English or God forbid fully fully American so there's a oh yeah gross yeah so there's that it's very it's always very interesting to me

because they they understand the practicality of you know in living in a developed rich country uh but uh and no matter how much they talk about you know oh I am fully integrated and I love this place etc etc deep down they're they're

kind of like disgusted if I can use that word buy those particular places and uh they want their child to to not be raised in this sort of environment so it kind of leads to the point that uh at

the end of the day they they live there because they uh you know that's where you can make some money and have a uh have a decent living for yourself etc etc but yeah here's a science question actually that I wondered um because I

get this a lot and I don't know maybe it's slightly this is maybe it's not I have no idea but people will say that hey your English sounds too clear or clean for somebody who isn't American likewise with you from what I've heard

your English sounds like an America perfectly clear American accent have you ever gotten any weird like quasi-racist nonsense like oh but you're a Turk where's your Turkish accent or has this always been the case did you ever have

an accent before no I never had an accent but no I hear that all the time but I don't I don't know I don't give a [ __ ] whatever [ __ ] them I think like um I have a lot of benefits as like a

white dude who you know if you don't know what my name is you're not gonna know uh what my background is for the most part I mean I guess some people always say like no brother we can tell

that you're not hot but I don't really experience it I think I have like a lot of privilege that way so I don't really give a [ __ ] when people do that like microaggressions and whatnot but yeah of

course always yeah there's there's always going to be uh microgreens and stuff like that uh about uh what my name is like people used to get shocked when they found out that I was like Turkish back in the day or um the way people

perceive me that definitely is a thing you know there was the the cracker discourse here on Twitch I'm a big time advocate of anti-white slurs um likewise I think it's it's America's own version of like harmless Balkan posting and these dumb [ __ ]

can't even recognize that and they get like they're they're trying to be like all these edgy boys are trying to be upset about it they're trying to manufacture outrage over like the one area where it's like always appropriate

and acceptable to make fun of so stupid um but yeah that when that was happening people were like oh he's not white they were they were busting out phenotypes and they were busting out they were busting out the calipers faster than you

got talking about you know how how much taller albanians become the closer they get to serve exactly that's exactly what they interrupt wanted to interrupt you with arguably a lot of that probably or some ancestors or some [ __ ] is a [ __ ]

Slavic dude from the Balkans that was taken to be a janissary and some [ __ ] and that's why you have your beautiful pasty skin or some [ __ ] but uh that would be extra ironic that would be

extra ironic because you know that sounds entirely Greek now that's proper Balkan Pokemon right there to be fair he's not even wrong though like uh my on my dad's side half of my family is Greek Turk which is

really funny because like they're I mean they're super dark yeah yeah they're like way dark exactly I always found that the funniest [ __ ] so you'll see you'll hear the discourse you'll hear them throwing their slurs at each other

and um I look at some Greeks sometimes like I have for a layover somewhere in Greece uh or meet grease and I'm like you [ __ ] you look more Arab then yeah [ __ ] my screw you get yeah my

grandfather on my dad's side is like straight dark you know what I mean like super [ __ ] dark and then and then my grandparents on my mom's side are from killis which is you know they got like Arab and

kurd and a whole bunch of other [ __ ] in them you know what I mean like and and they're actually ironically uh a little bit lighter which is weird but then Jank is like really dark as you guys know uh

my uncle the the the liberal uh reactionary now Young Turks hosts everyone has a cringe Uncle everyone has like a nice uncle and a cringe you got yeah you gotta have him well he was the nice Uncle when I was

growing up now he's become the cringe Uncle I mean I still love him it's like hard to hard not to you know it's family but like [ __ ] man he's just he's always posting cringe and it's like extra it's

extra [ __ ] up [ __ ] up [ __ ] industry so uh to an extent so like the cringe kind of directly affects you and doesn't affect you and probably the way he sees your [ __ ] so your cringe affects him as well

but uh you you probably yeah but my careers aren't real like in my opinion my creatures always like manufactured drama outrage people being like I can't believe he said what he said about 9 11.

like it's just like that's what I that's how I feel about it at least maybe you guys have some uh maybe you guys have some difference uh in an opinion here you can you can come after me yeah but

we are very much against uh talking badly about the 911 or the United States very adamant yeah exactly right yeah especially Hakeem you know especially because 9 11 everyday picture of the have you have you seen that photo of the Chinese

emperor and he's standing like the drawing the Chinese Empire standing next to the twin the twin towers the twin thousands unlimited genocide that's that's basically me yeah that was and ironically this is like solidified in my brain I think I

said the story like before on the on the podcast which kind of reveals because I'm a mixture between a lot of [ __ ] nationalities but kind of really reveals where I grew up but I don't give a [ __ ]

um I remember 9 11 specifically walking into the [ __ ] living room and like everybody's sitting around the TV and that lasting for around 30 40 seconds and then just starting to hear gunshots in the street of people starting to

[ __ ] celebrate that the Yanks [ __ ] got it on them obviously [ __ ] up because you know innocent people died etc etc but people were taking out tables in the street calling musicians [ __ ] partying like hardcore partying

for the 12 14 hours after that my dad was like passed out [ __ ] drug that day it's uh it was it was a proper event but uh I am ashamed of the behavior of my passion and of my peoples and I I

especially do not come you guys celebrate our behalf I don't know what to tell you dude it was the most somber ass I went up and I was I was looking I was like what's going on here and

there's just like you know you know when you're a young kid and you walk into a room of somber adults yeah you'd like the vibe is off something's [ __ ] up here that was basically it and I

remember my dad was like this is like this is going to come back to us somehow isn't it hey hey two years later hey I love it I love everyone's background on this because like in the most Turkish

like NATO Ally ass way it just one way or another it did not impact me or turkey in any meaningful capacity I mean obviously it did like everything changed after that especially how we're perceived in America and whatnot but

like hearing all of your individual stories and how it impacted you or what your reaction was is so funny considering like turkey's position where like people weren't really like people didn't give a [ __ ] you know what I mean

the second largest NATO Army yeah exactly exactly perks of being a NATO Ally the periphery of NATO too yeah it's it's hilarious it's like oh yeah we're fully in NATO but we [ __ ] hate all the rest of them no that's that's my

favorite turkey's position in NATO is awesome because it's like it's the only NATO country that routinely is engaging in proxy wars with other NATO countries or directly fighting them like which is so funny and turkey has been basically in an

active conflict Zone in a war in my modest opinion for like those last half a decade if not a decade nobody [ __ ] talks about this like there's darker soldiers and tanks shooting at enemy Army [ __ ] like it's proper like actual

direct conflict not like a frozen [ __ ] or whatever or them looking at each other angrily over some Hill or some [ __ ] it's in an active complex out in an active oh but nobody like nobody gives a

[ __ ] man yeah but but on top of like unless you're talking about I don't know if you're just like simply talking about Syria but like on top of that we're talking Greeks there's constant [ __ ]

air battles and there's constant like land uh you know land sea border uh conflict happening with Greece uh and then also on top of that there's like a proxy battle kind of happening with France in Libya so there's so much and turkey is always

offering uh support to Somalia and numerous other countries like numerous other African nations that would that you could technically consider to be like French colonies too there's like so much there's there's a lot of [ __ ] happening that turkey engages in on a

regular basis in international policy that is like unimaginably unacceptable from the standpoint of NATO but because they have you know like you said a massive Army and a a decent amount of support for you know our DARPA style or

just right into yeah exactly right I love the recent like cocking of Sweden and Finland but basically them saying no I ain't joining unless you you call what we call them but they went back on it now or they were always going to yeah

they're they're turkey erdogan loves speaking a big [ __ ] game about how you know anti-westy is but like he's he is a dog to the West just like every other leader has always been historically you know Turkey is the

turkey is the closest you can get to like not really being a client State while being a client State you know what I mean like it's just it's hard to describe it's not as bad as like Pakistan let's say but it's still very

much it's like having it's like being a CIA client State that's like schizophrenic yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah exactly the United States holds the like largest uh opposition uh leader uh I mean doesn't hold him but they have him as a guest here in the US

see that's see that's exactly the point so first of all that you're talking about he is a CIA asset right what's hilarious about the lagulan is that he's not even originally an opposition leader the parallel government that he created

which he did with the you know funding support of uh the American State Department he created alongside riship type erdogan originally they're they're basically both from that similar same uh you know supposedly moderate fundamentalist uh you know islamist cult that that they uh

grew into power side by side that's why if it's like it almost so successfully able to put his tentacles into every aspect of Turkish Society every uh from you know the the judicial system uh all the way to the Army and and all the way

to the [ __ ] police force even he he was able to do that with the help of the CIA that's why he's able to live in a compound in the Poconos right um so you know even then uh I think that

uh you know America did a coup or America helped in the in the making of a coup in turkey that failed ultimately uh but you know they they originally wanted out of the wanted for like it on the B side

by side and we're working side by side it makes perfect sense yeah no exactly right and to be it's uh like back when like the NATO conversation it's like you know the the Turks they they get to be

like our our soldiers and fight our Wars and so on so NATO uh acceptance uh acceptance into NATO completely you know greenlit but them joining the actual European Union no no we actually keep that for the real Europeans they're

gonna probably absolutely same [ __ ] thing for the with the Georgians and [ __ ] which Georgia by the way literally the most liberal people on planet Earth again I know like 50 [ __ ] Georgians yes great statistics absolutely I am yet

to meet a non-just very classical typical lib dude right he's like man we want like elections like in the states bro and we want like the separation of powers bro and you know we want to be like the gangster it's just absolutely

[ __ ] incredible yeah the americx yeah hardcore hardcore the worst kind uh there you sometimes see them in Turkey too don't you these people are like oh no we're not we want to be respectable uh self-orientalizing just like the

United States yeah this disgusting nonsense you very rarely you get these people interact as well you get their Cuts in the government for sure but the you get these types um usually University campuses and then I don't think anybody likes these people

I don't think they have any friends they definitely don't have any organizations um it's like you take like three courses of political science and I did a [ __ ] whole degree in this [ __ ] for some

[ __ ] reason kill me but uh they take three courses in political science and they think they they understand how the world works and that they've no you know explored the depths of Philosophy by I don't know reading John Locke or some

[ __ ] or the Leviathan oh my God no one brilliant man society bro you seem to mistake it's not it's not systemic imperialism and unequal Exchange draining raw materials from the Balkans it's the Balkan mind okay the systemic

defects of the Falcon mine absolutely one friend of mine had like a theory this might sound a bit ableist but I don't care uh like the other genuine theory that if if we did like uh research on the percentage of autism all

over the world and then we what part of the population it is and we did it on on the Balkans on the Balkans it would like be 85 or some [ __ ] he's like these people this is like but yeah they're

again self uh cell hate never wanting to look at the the material reality blah blah [ __ ] all our viewers and listeners already you know so let's move into I guess another another topic here uh I personally think that a very large part

of uh your appeal and I'm talking to Hassan is your ability to give your you know Yankee audience uh nuanced non-us point of view while delivering it in a way that's highly digestible by said uh Yankee audience uh something you'd

arguably not be able to do as efficiently if not for your background basically the fact that you've lived outside of the US for so long doesn't let you know American exceptionalism seep into your soul uh so yeah apologies

for my five dollar uh psychoanalysis here uh so let me get to like the actual question like what was your I don't know let's call it career trajectory like give her some lore and why do you think you know you're so grew to be as

successful as it like objectively has other than the fact that you're insanely hot and Tall of course um you know what's really funny I mean first of all you kind of nailed it already um you're gonna get mad at you for

people are gonna get mad at you for glazing me up so hard but um yeah you just dial it back just like say just say that I'm like a fake socialist or something just like sneak it in there

um of course so then so that people don't get mad um we already called you Greek I think that's the worst we could do honestly yeah true um so what you just described is perfect I mean yeah I have a very different

perspective a very different perspective on America's uh you know foreign policy than one who would be born and raised in the Imperial Corps I think that that is probably my most unique perspective uh in comparison to all the other things I

talk about uh as far as like domestic policy in the United States um as far as my own personal political development I would say that I mean look uh my dad is a is is a staunch well he

would consider himself a Social Democrat but he's a staunch neoliberal okay this man uh has been a star's neoliberal um made a lot of money early on in his career then lost it all by the time I got to college but like the the

neoliberal attitude still stayed firmly in his mind right and I probably would have developed very differently if it wasn't for recognizing that the American dream was a lie pretty early on you know what I mean same here like I I had a a perspective on American

uh foreign policy that was negative uh just like everyone else on the [ __ ] planet even if you're in Europe even if even if you live in Europe for the most part you don't really like the fact that

like America dominates everything in America controls the conversation even if you benefit from it dramatically you know what I mean by being aligned with the United States like that's why you hear most Europeans like a [ __ ]

American pigs you know they're they're so loud they're they're awful they're animals and there's a lot of Truth to them but uh as far as capitalism goes or as far as the American dream I mean this is like

uh this this dogmatic understanding is is like a religion American capitalism is basically like a religion yeah uh and and I could have totally uh I I could have totally bought into that if it wasn't for the fact that I think

not having a nationalized Health Care system is so radicalizing we're not having any kind of social like any kind of socialized uh uh Healthcare structure is so [ __ ] radicalizing came to America young dumb with a lot of Dreams

Come like Jesus Christ yeah young dumb and full of calm uh and and you know had Big Dreams and then you know the health care was like immediately I was like this is [ __ ] up yeah and then seeing people

defend it made me more and more Angry uh I was always an advocate for that and then paired up with my uh you know disinterest in American lies about why uh you know the the permanent revolution uh but uh but in a in a capitalist way

that America engages in uh globally that uh I I thought that that was you know that was not great it it basically developed into I mean finding Marx's Theory and and starting to slowly but surely become more and more radicalized classical

story I I had a similar one just a bit more sped up I did one of those work and travel programs etc etc and just for four months of uh experiencing the American dream that I I believed that

was uh you know completely achievable in every single corner of the world just because as we previously talked uh you know over here where I'm at we still you know have the Socialist brain because of the commies that came before or we're

like you know just culturally inferior we need to become more like the the ganks and so on and so on but then I went and actually saw it and boomshakalaka and with Hakeem he didn't have to go anywhere the Yanks came to

him it came to me yeah he came to him American Dream came to his doorstep exactly right and then it made a lot of people who dream but forever if you know what the [ __ ] I mean exactly right

yeah that's I think that's the most interesting aspect in the difference between radicalization when you're at the uh like at the end of the rifle of American imperialism uh or just American foreign policy and when you're behind it

when you see the soldiers when you see the bombs and all this kind of stuff you are at First Hill like this severe or just hatred of the United States and everything it stands for and then afterwards you take a step back and you

you analyze you're like wait hold on like Joe from like Philadelphia who's on his third job like this week um that guy is not the guy who who I'm angry at I'm angry at a different set of people and then you you get into class

analysis and then that's when everything kind of comes together but it's a lot more office case that I can imagine when you're in the United States whether you've moved to the US or you know you're born there uh because you don't

see this as directly and you're lied to so [ __ ] much from like the day you're born so yeah yeah I'm interested in hearing I don't know if you guys have discussed this before but I'm interested in hearing what JT's uh analysis of this

is or his radicalization of this is because you know look in in some ways I think all three of us and our perspective on the United States of America is you know it's obvious right but for someone to be born in the United States

to be to grow up in the United States and then to have uh shared values like this in a country that is disseminating the most Red Scare propaganda that has so effectively shut out any kind of class Consciousness

um I think that is even harder to do yeah I mean for me it was a pretty run-of-the-mill radicalization process you know Bernie came around and I was like oh wow he's saying stuff I haven't heard before yeah why is our Healthcare

so expensive stuff like that and you know you know how it goes I would I I would I heard the rhetoric like oh he's not actually a socialist he's a Social Democrat I'm like okay what's difference between social democracy and socialism

and then I'd you know read a little bit more about that um and then the the turning point for me was when I picked up State and Revolution and read that and then this thing started great book oh yeah it's amazing for

anybody who hasn't read State and revolution is short it's easy to read it stood up stood to the test of time really quite well he's a funny guy like London's sassy I love it um but um but that yeah that was it was

an interesting process because you know a lot of Americans myself included were by default kind of uh apolitical in that it doesn't really affect us very much you might dislike conservatives depending on where you live because they're you know loud and

obnoxious and and racist and all that stuff and so you've got a gut reaction negative reaction against that but that doesn't mean that you know you consider yourself political and I was I was that way but it's really hard to to find

accurate information here in the US when everything from you know our textbooks to like Children's shows to you know sitcoms as you grow up to the news to movies blockbuster movies it's all so steeped in anti-communist propaganda you

know even to this day and it's so you have this ingrained cultural um revulsion or fear of anything that is seen as Un-American and that term has been so heavily conflated with left-wing economics left-wing politics I mean properly left-wing socialist and Beyond

not the Democrats which are clearly a right-wing party we mean the Democrats are I thought they were Communists what the [ __ ] yeah this morning now that they've uh they've arrested their their political rival Donald Trump we are living in communist

America yeah I don't get it exactly right that's when the government does stuff yeah it's it's very it's interesting it's frustrating and it's why I made my channel the way I did when I when I you know not to sound conspiratorial or

anything but like when I had my eyes open to the reality of of how the United States actually works I was like okay how would I have wanted this explained to me when I was first learning about this stuff and so that's why I took the

101 approach because you know the average American has it's not just that they're starting from square one they're starting from like Square negative 30.

you have to first pick apart all of the things that have been programmed into them and then you can start to build Upon A basis of reality you're describing the reason why so many people simultaneously consider me to be a

Democratic party mouthpiece or a suck them or whatever the [ __ ] but also a threat to America as well because I I do just like you said I do advocate for Social Democratic reforms and I do think

that in order to develop any kind of mechanism of pushback a robust labor force that has uh any kind of you know speaking power any kind of fighting Power to strike at uh the heart of the the Imperial core where value is

generated I I think that in the short term uh in order to combat against that you you have to advocate for a much lighter form of of uh propaganda despite you know I I perfectly understand that social democracies uh benefit

tremendously from uh American imperialism Western imperialism and and would not exist in the way that they do without such atrocities committed right but you know if you want America in the way that I feel about it and if you want

America to get out of the way for uh places with more revolutionary potential to do what they would normally do I think that you know one thing you have to do is is is advocate for uh a a lighter for

well simultaneously still doing agitated propaganda that goes beyond uh you know right Social Democratic ideas I just wanted to like put emphasis on the exact point of the so-called radicalization funnel where for example Hassan and JT catch them while they're young as they

say uh and then they start looking into this uh new idea et cetera et cetera and then move forwards through the funnel get more and more informed get more and more radicalized and so on can only work and can absolutely utilize for example

the stuff that uh that Hassan does because Hassan does one very particular thing that uh social Democrats that for example would never call to this podcast or we would give a lot of [ __ ] to because they they they they cut the

funnel from both sides what what do I mean by this they introduce people to you know lukewarm socialist ideas etc etc and then they want keep them there yeah right well whenever Hassan introduces people to socialist ideas yes

the lukewarm not so scary sounding uh ones you know keeping your power levels low it's uh hidden and so on and so on uh he does not stop them from progressing through the funnel and getting additional and additional

information and so on he doesn't agitate against for example the the Revolutionary perspective and so on and so on that is the domain the main difference you know you do your part in the funnel for the cause or whatever the

[ __ ] you wanna call it we'll talk later about you know if what we're doing actually does anything etc etc but uh as long as it you do not try to keep people exactly there where you where you want

them and don't want them to evolve etc etc uh then uh you're doing uh in my modest opinion a great a great thing for the cause but unfortunately there's a lot especially for example on Twitch [ __ ] that uh that do the

opposite and they're just uh because they want to farm Their audience as much as they [ __ ] can and then they generate drama which is almost 99 percent uh with other socialists etc etc and and that I stay away from all that

noise exactly and that is reactionary [ __ ] that is that is quite literally uh like anti-progressive and uh and hurts the movement much more than uh then it helps yeah those are I hate I hate records right I mean they've always been

they've always been around and I think like originally I think originally Wreckers uh would would operate uh like almost like in a way that you know you salt a a workplace right like they would come in they would have a

different ideological perspective and they would do these things nowadays I think in America especially uh American exceptionalism American individualism American capitalism is so ingrained in the minds of people that like they do it without realizing like there are plenty

of forms of what people would consider radical politics in leftist spaces that uh that people engage in where they are unintentionally doing record [ __ ] without recognizing that they're doing that um you know you have anarchists rad

lives I mean that's I guess there's a more historical precedent to that uh but if so many different uh flavorings of like you know the gnat socks or whatever which is hilarious because that's just the most like anti-materialist perspective you can

have like nationalism in that regard and all this other stuff you know that people uh people engage with and uh it just purely is that fight is purely fought on aesthetic yeah uh grounds which is inherently one a mystification

of class politics and two very liberal is the most liberal thing you can do to be like oh my God like you wear expensive clothes like you're [ __ ] not a real leftist like you need to as a

leftist you need to or as an anti-capitalist or socialist like you can't have a house you can't make money yeah yeah which is inherently like it's inherently anti-socialist like I'm no dangest bruh but you know uh it's you

you know the quote that I'm obviously referencing but like socialism is not a poverty Club okay exactly right which is what Prosperity is glorious for all it is there is there's a very good article by Jonas Manuel the Brazilian uh Marxist

an organizer and historian uh and he kind of ties in this European obsession with martyrdom in Christianity into the modern like uh like Flavor of uh Marxism that's practicing it's like where they almost deify failure yeah uh in a way so

that's like every Revolution that failed is the revolution that was always pure it was perfect they were doing everything right but the second that they have to contend with the realities of building socialism with all his contradictions all his difficulties and

yes even its excesses all of a sudden then it's like no no this is not how it's supposed to be done these people are revenge revisionists or state capitalists or this is that um and it's always very telling that the

people who are most vocal in this are the ones who have had the least successful leftist political projects meaning I mean Western Northwestern Europe and North America what was that joke I'm trying to remember yeah if a Marxist achieves a Marxist Society he

loses the one thing that he always identified with because he is no longer there's no longer a need for a set revolutionary market and a lot of people like as you both uh also all three of you beautiful we put it when you

aestheticize it to an extent you don't want it to actually happen because then you're no longer special right what makes me special is that I'm against man the status quo bro like I wanna [ __ ] [ __ ] up blah blah blah but when the

moment comes for [ __ ] [ __ ] up then uh you checking out because you obviously only wanted to Define yourself as different and not necessarily believed any of the [ __ ] that uh that you're spewing but on the again continuing in

the line of you know aesthetization and and all of this uh I remember watching the citro which was the U.S elections a few years ago through uh your stream and I remember it peaking at like over 200 000 like consecutive viewers at some

point and those are not rookie numbers baby those are like CNN Fox News numbers and you know you're just a guy and the skeleton crew of editors and managers so like is the traditional media is this cliche as it

is uh dying why is the obvious answer yes and what do you think you know the future of political slash news coverage uh uh will look like because you know a guy in a suit staring at a camera and

reading off of a teleprompter is probably not it I don't know where the future media will go in many respects what I do is actually not all that different than what like right wing AM radio broadcasters would do uh and have

been doing and will continue to do for many many years probably I mean I I am probably closer to a Rush Limbaugh uh rest in peace than than like a like a Jon Stewart I would say um I obviously I'm not speaking

ideologically I just mean uh you know content wise or or maybe even rhetoric wise honestly I mean he is a dishonest pervert uh pill junkie who [ __ ] died of brain cancer but you know ultimately he was doing off

the cuff analysis from a reactionary perspective and was cutting a shitload of propaganda very successfully and and that off the cuff like uh non-stop content style has been around for a while and I think I am doing something

similar to that uh with with my channel the only component that is different than what has come prior to this is is what this medium allows me to do is is speak to people directly and immediately with real-time feedback and there has never

been in the history of like commentary content whatever you want to call it there has never been a medium that allows you to get real-time feedback from an entire audience a stadium full of people yeah I go live

every day to you know thirty thousand forty thousand people if it's something that's like relevant happening in the news like Donald Trump getting arraigned 60 000 people and every single person has the opportunity to basically write something and and have me

in front of 60 000 people will read it out and respond to it and I think that's what makes my content very unique I think that that is what is really truly interesting about this is that like that

that's why the de-radicalization uh stuff works well in my opinion well not theoreticalization or radicalization stuff works well in my opinion on on the medium that I'm in like picking people uh and and moving them away from right-wing politics reactionary Politics

the alt-right pipeline if you want to call it that the way I'm able to do that is because I know the most effective talking points I know the most effective counters and I can I can do that by

directly talking to people and others with similar perspectives can get and develop a different opinion on on these subjects in real time basically what Hassan is saying that is that he should pay his chat because thanks to chat the actual show is

actually good but you know it's pretty incredible that the people like us you know have found a model in which we get to like put food on our table while we spread our ideas and you know trick the

market into quite literally allowing us to grow bigger and faster by the month so that we can proliferate more and more anti-capitalist uh rhetoric you know the capitalist will sell us the very rope we will hang them with blah blah blah and

the Sun have been and I proudly say deservingly super successful at this model such as yourself such as JT as well such as one day this podcast or to an extent even now or like a [ __ ]

insanely big [ __ ] like Chapo trap house and and others uh which wink wink you know patreon link is in the description but uh nothing uh nothing comes free of consequences as they say and you know you being a great example of being

wrongfully slandered just because you've managed to uh do well so where do you think this uh criticism mostly comes from is it all just as you mentioned earlier champagne socialist so cringe rightoid [ __ ] or do you think that you know some of it

might come from a misguided but quote unquote good place I'm sure I'm sure some of it is coming from a misguided place I think all of it's coming from a misguided place it just ranges from like misguided and and

uh not fully understanding grasping the situation and misinformed to misguided and deliberately trying to uh cut takes that will gain a prominence that will get you to gain prominence in the the tiny for already fractured socialist spheres of the internet so you can get

[ __ ] more subscribers to your sub stack or patreon or whatever the [ __ ] you're doing and then last but not least you have the people who uh portray themselves as like some form of anti-capitalist or leftists or even

liberal sometimes who are just doing that maliciously to they only they only find themselves in contention with socialists and never uh never offer that same lens of skepticism cynicism to uh all the way to Nazis even you know it's

just like so odd um I I think there's varying degrees of of debate pervertry and and personal motivation personal gain that that people have in this regard ultimately though I don't know I just [ __ ] keep my head

down and I keep making content because it's not all that serious in many ways the way I see it I I have no Illusions I I do not believe that like I am going to create the uh armed revolutionary

Vanguard one copy of you know imperialism the highest stated capitalism on one hand and then your your Kalashnikov in the other and we're gonna you know overtake with workers councils we're gonna start taking over the American government we're going to

take over like American military bases and all this [ __ ] like that's not I don't that's not what I fantasize about it's not something that I think is is feasible in my lifetime I simply try to put my best foot forward be as

entertaining as possible make content uh well simultaneously describing uh the world from my perspective a lot of people I think uh see that and go oh that means like you want to do a maoist like peasants revolution in in Iowa

uh you know that's not I don't think that is even capable I don't think we're even capable of doing that what I was gonna say uh what I was just gonna add is that um a lot of people also take this along

the vein which you're saying a lot of people take this way too seriously or perceive what we do way too seriously um the revolution will not emanate from a bunch of people making content on the English the language speaking uh uh

internet yes but the spaces on Twitch and YouTube and whatnot the revolution is made on the ground by active organization organizations doing good work agitating educating doing [ __ ] homeless drives and trying to secure housing um trying to drive unionization efforts

in the United States even then with all these efforts likelihood evolution is fairly low and the Imperial periphery it's a lot higher because the stakes are a lot higher as well that's why we see success of leftist movements in those

areas um but yeah the to like you just wrap that point up down one says your company has a very good saying that he said several times which is no matter what we do we're kind of like the like in the

Russian revolutions people would put the posters up the agit prop posters up that's basically what we do we want to bring about a slight cultural shift and attitude towards perceiving socialism uh and hopefully educates on people and entertain some people in the in the

meanwhile nothing any deeper than this oh it's crazy I mean there are some people online who like you said Hakeem take this way way too seriously like I tweeted out I was complaining I was looking for a new camera for for my own

location stuff and I tweeted my complaints about it like I'm just complaining about Canon specs and this person in the comments shows up why aren't you building the revolution I feel like you and Hassan could pool your resources and viewers together like what

are you talking about I I make I'm a guy with a laptop an internet connection and some opinions what do you want me to do like join a join an organization join cpusa PSL frso whatever you want to do

don't look to to the talking heads on YouTube or twitch or whatever to be you know the leaders of this Vanguard that's just it's it's my song yeah my favorite is when when uh someone who thinks that they're like Social Democrat even but

like really they're just [ __ ] neoliberal will come and be like Hassan why don't you start a Super PAC yeah to like bring about socialism in America and I'm like brother I don't think a single billionaire could even do that

yeah and that [ __ ] has billions and and so much power because for every billionaire that would be like I want to bring about my own demise and destroy the way that I've been able to uh you

know accumulate Capital right for every billionaire that would even hypothetically do that which would never happen is laughable uh there are you know hundreds of billionaires that are like abso [ __ ] lutely not we're going to murder you yeah for even attempting

this it's a laughable notion again it's it's like straight up trying to to adopt uh the the most liberal Aesthetics or the most liberal Solutions and completely misunderstanding how any of this stuff works the the wildest [ __ ] thing I watched randomly I

usually like watch the clips I rarely watch the the live because time zones and [ __ ] but some debate with some dude I don't even know his [ __ ] name but he's big or some [ __ ] and this guy like

unironically was proposing that uh if you're a socialist and you like you're doing this content and you're generating money off of this content and for example you are you want people to have free healthcare you're supposed to like

create like a company or an NGO and provide like healthcare for your [ __ ] chat or your subscribers that was absolutely incredible I was I just [ __ ] I [ __ ] love that [ __ ] that was like a

properly it was a great thing to watch so many people feel that so many people believe that you think so yes yes in America people literally think socialism is a poverty cult people straight up think if you're a socialist you need to

like literally live uh this life of austerity and ever every single dollar that you generate cannot go to like any kind of personal consumption because that's [ __ ] up um if your capitals you can do all that

by the way which I addressed in that conversation where like I you know I work with labor unions in my merchandise when I make merch out here um Union manufactured domestically manufactured products uh it's already a burden I don't want to even [ __ ] do

it I just do it because like people want the merchandise I the the pro the margins are you know non-existent almost but it's fine people like it so that's why I do it but the guy I'm talking to

is like using Indonesian child slave labor t-shirts that he's marking up to the same price that I'm selling my [ __ ] t-shirts at and I turned around and I asked him that question he was like well I'm a capitalist you know yeah

I get to do it but yeah it's a ridiculous it's a ridiculous point to try to basically be or to say that hey you shouldn't be allowed any enjoyment under uh capitalism because those are quote unquote the fruits of capitals as

a socialist you're I guess ideological should be the fact that you know you should sleep underneath the [ __ ] underneath the bridge yeah but I want to just add that uh unlike uh Hassan here we're not revisionists

um Discord server do get free healthcare because they get access to me 24 7 which people [ __ ] abuse they use and [ __ ] abuse that [ __ ] you guys actually reply to all that [ __ ] like a

ghost Discord so [ __ ] hard at this point like the patreon Discord I think I have like a thousand ads that they just haven't responded to so I thank you I thank you kind sir for doing this [ __ ]

because otherwise people would think some people ask me it's like I have this [ __ ] nodule on my left nut sack is this okay all the way from this too somebody who recently asked me is like I

lost my medications but I don't want like um what's it called restricted medications and I don't want them to think that I'm abusing what do I tell the pharmacist why are you asking me very kindly very kind I appreciate that

you think that I have the answers I just told him to be honest um that's usually if he has no record of being an abuser before then usually they'll like goes through uh but I don't know what the US is like but yeah

um or people send me blood tests that's a Vibe uh anyways like my capitalist brain just started working like that's actually a decent idea we can make like a thousand dollar patrons like category which is you know the program Healthcare

and they have a direct line to you you know uh 14 hours a day let's say when they can call you and ask you any any medicine related [ __ ] and it would still probably be much cheaper than them

engaging in American Healthcare in American Healthcare probably what's your hospital bro like a a podcast guy a levitating Lenin head from Iraq bro I I do want to point out that both uh you governor and Hakim you're both uh V

tubers technically yeah yeah yes bro you guys I'm not even kidding I mean I don't know if you guys watch anime at all but like I would 100 suggest uh getting a vtuber model uh when you have the funds

to do so because that would be uh I mean I think you would probably push us you know push people away a little bit at first because they'd be like this is degenerate uh you know pervatory or whatever

um but I I think later down the line you would be able to uh you know you'd be able to expand your audience tremendously considering that there's already a built-in audience for YouTubers I'm just saying I high key

recommend it yeah we've had the idea actually we're playing around with doing it for the lives uh that we do on YouTube Bro 100 you should do that I'm not even kidding I can link you up with like uh some YouTubers as well uh that

that could help you out with that yeah for sure sure why not let's do it but I wouldn't create like a vtuber Persona that's you know but me are basically a overweight tall uh hairy dude uh I would

just go no no you're sexy like anime anime girl like big nice titties [ __ ] every time you know I move with uh with the motion control they jiggle and [ __ ] you can do that right yeah yeah you can

do all of that but you got to do like uh you gotta do like a like a sexy guy who like sometimes wears cat ears or some [ __ ] you know that's like what the what the audience dictates that's what they

want so you can do that 100 and it would probably be very it would probably be very successful I think um you just gotta figure out a way to do sexy voice though like YouTubers always have like a

very good voice but when somebody gives a donation they're like meow meow I love you sit like that this is what you mean yeah like I don't really watch uh not much YouTube even though like you know I

have some friends who do it uh but from what I've seen it's always like the guys always talk like they either have just work on your anime voice I'm telling a [ __ ] doctor in Iraq to you

know work on this [ __ ] anime boys we could do a YouTuber oh my God [ __ ] we bark yeah exactly right I'm gonna have to hey we bar people are already thinking we'll leave it's all right it would be low-key like

very free to actually be able to record ourselves on [ __ ] camera wouldn't it like him and like like the amount of filler you could [ __ ] put in like uh the formal videos that we do Jesus you

know our face do JT yeah both you guys have [ __ ] figured it out yeah no 100 I don't you gotta you gotta give them more it's a it's a you know it's a medium that demands you to give them

something visually uh pleasing and and that that that's the reason I think that's a good workaround off of your limitations yeah check back with me when you have three million subscribers on YouTube because you started doing videos and [ __ ] and everyone is calling you a

[ __ ] everyone's calling you a [ __ ] uh counter-revolutionary champagne socialist that means you've made it so there you go exactly [ __ ] yeah I can't wait honestly with with the key movies it's a bit more dangerous but uh me it's

just because I'm a coward that I haven't like done a proper face revealing to just like put myself in videos and so on uh yes obviously it will increase the chances of me getting stabbed by [ __ ]

reactionaries in the part of the world where I live at what would and they are very numerous here is we all very very well know but uh you know it would directly mean that this will become like my 100 profession which I would like I'm

not complaining and already kind of the the income that we're getting from this would be able to support it but uh it's kind of you know putting all your cards on one thing you know so I I'm just

waiting to amass some more uh courage to completely get out of the corporate world and [ __ ] like that but uh your anonymity is great I I would I I my biggest mistake was using my real name

and face from the jump and and you know engaging in advocacy for the past 10 years openly I I would I would recommend like don't lose that it's honestly it's better there was other there was other stuff I want talk about like look with

respect to just like content Creation in the sphere I I think another reason why people think this is the end-all be-all is because there is no uh true class Consciousness no way of of implementing any sort of change in this

country so a lot of people I think in the Western World look to content creation as a form of I guess revolutionary Praxis or something like they think that that is like ultimately the most revolutionary act you can

engage in is Tweeting or saying things a completely misunderstanding what I am advocating for but um this is something that I think I've successfully been able to implement in my community or instill this idea that it is not that this is just content and

that they should unionize the workplaces uh they should uh join organizations which plenty of people have they've started you know why DSA chapters uh there are uh you know there was an article I think in like [ __ ] Politico

uh that that talked about how the the first Chipotle they unionized in Lansing Michigan like this guy was I think reading Mark Fisher and another guy came over saw it and was like you watch hassanavi and then they and then and then uh and

then they brought up Noam Chomsky which is such a weird thing to be [ __ ] uh brought up uh with with uh those two guys but um you know there there are people out there that are unionizing their

workplaces and there are people out there that are engaging in strikes if they're already in a in a part if they're rank a file already uh unionized you know so that sort of stuff makes uh immediate small uh very real tangible

material changes in your in your immediate life and I think that that is why I uh do what I do but it's it's not you know speaking about certain issues ultimately is is you know just the first step it's not not necessarily uh the the

last step much as Praxis which I guess um one of the concluding questions we can we can go into that you at with a few others uh already answered before I before I even uh asked them and making

my job extremely difficult here I'm [ __ ] with you but not that's I guess the biggest fear of uh what we do to an extent at least from my perspective is that when we create this [ __ ] and people consume this [ __ ] uh

does that increase their you know uh anti-capitalist fervor or does it indirectly placate it because you know they sat down today they watched this video they listened to the stream they you know read that blog article or whatever type of content that you're

creating and that already gives them enough of a feeling you know the gut feeling that oh for today I done quote unquote my part for the for the ideas that I would like to espouse into the world uh and to manifest and to

materialize etc etc so it's it's kind of a a scary question to ask ourselves because we actively you know encourage real life activism agitation uh organization and so on and so on from one perspective from one side of the of the coin but

then from the other side of the coin similar to like literally like why elections you feel you only go once every four years you you put in that little [ __ ] uh uh tablet or choice or the you know the thing the paper in the

box and it gives you the sense that oh I've done my part for my community for the next four years you know the the scary question is do we to a certain extent uh by creating the stuff that we

do contribute to a very similar problem and the only like it's not really even a question because you you know you subjectively can answer this blah blah blah but only time will tell if uh if there is any actual uh you know material

contribution that comes uh that goes towards the the the movement the the ideology uh of you know our poster making or if uh or if it's quite unintentionally to an extent reactionary and [ __ ] do you get what I mean no I I

totally understand it you're saying uh you're you're asking if uh we are also uh playing a role in sedating the masses exactly despite our best efforts to instill class Consciousness uh because people think that it is a revolutionary

act to consume a piece of content that uh you know or or even like read Theory I guess which would be the more advanced version of this and I don't know I I I would categorize it not even as Theory

but as uh just entertainment really like I don't ever think about it like that at all I I don't think about like whether or not this is uh you know stopping people from like genuinely engaging in this kind of action because I don't

think that a lot of these people would even know anything about socialism in general if it weren't for uh someone trying to slowly uh I guess I hate this term but bread pill them you know so for me

like I said it's not that serious in my like from where I'm standing I talk about so much dumb [ __ ] over the course of 10 hours depending on what part of the broadcast you're tuning into like

I'm playing [ __ ] horror games and [ __ ] you know what I mean like I don't I don't live my life as though like every single moment and every single point of my output is supposed to be

like socialist Jesus you know of course I think that it's important to have fun I certainly have a lot of hedonistic desires that I cave to regularly um that's why you know I I bought a nicer house than than what uh you know

revolutionaries on Twitter thought was appropriate so I bought a [ __ ] Porsche you know and I have the capacity to do so so I did it but also because you know it just uh makes the the limited amount of daily commute that I

do more enjoyable and I think everyone should uh you know do things like that if they have the capacity to do so ultimately though it's just I'm an Entertainer I'm an Entertainer first I'm not I'm not a uh I'm not a revolutionary

activist I'm not uh you know I'm not I'm not a leader in the movement I just I just do entertainment if there is more value in that entertainment for someone that that feels like their worldview has changed and that's great that's my

that's definitely a goal But ultimately it's it's educational entertainment edutainment absolutely fair enough very very nicely but you know I do stress it though I do stress the importance of doing [ __ ] in the real world uh all the time because I

think that you know if you're if you're interested in in improving your material conditions begins and ends with consuming content then you know you're not going to get anything done and you're not going to feel uh the the

positive impact that you might have on your community or in your own personal life by engaging in these kinds of actions so that's something that I try to instill in my audience regardless uh you know something I always uh repeat on my

broadcast is that Society prospers when old men plant seeds for trees that they will never sit in the shade of right I'm sure you guys have utilized this uh before as well I think that that is what's important You're Building

blocks for a better future that you may never experience or you may never enjoy the fruits of yeah absolutely at the end of the day it's two things we have to be aware the first one is to make sure that

uh um at the end of the day capitalism commodifies everything including what would be considered to be quote unquote revolutionary content which this isn't this is entertainment but you know what I mean um leftist content um in essence becomes a commodity

regardless of whether we can help it or not um even if none of it was absolutely monetized like this was completely done just to have the information out there in the same way they would they would form the same processes behind it the

fact that it would become like oh a figure that then has the drama [ __ ] behind it uh all that so that's one thing we have to keep in mind but number two and I think uh more importantly

again not to take it so seriously if you want to take politics seriously then you take politics seriously in your real life day-to-day uh activities um otherwise what you're doing here is just to entertain yourself number one kind of to educate yourself

um but at the end of the day the same no exactly like that's the thing like I okay here's one thing I'll say people get so mad about how much money I make uh or what am I doing what I'm

doing the money even though I do a lot of fundraising I do a lot of uh donations even though like I think charity is not the end I'll be all obviously and there's plenty of issues with 501c3s and all that no need to have

that conversation on this podcast of all places but people get so mad about the the amount of money uh that I make when it is literally voluntary subscriptions like that is my Revenue strategy it's the exact same as like people with patreons

it's the exact same with uh people with sub Stacks half the time the people chirping at me are literally people with subsidies they just don't have you know any subscribers like that's the only difference and so like the way I'm

generating uh income uh is is identical to the way that they are trying to generate income uh while they're angry and that's what I try to explain to people regularly like you don't even need to [ __ ] pay a

subscription uh everything is free not only is the content free but the IP in and of itself is free as well if you want to use it if you want to [ __ ] watch it there's like a thousand fan

channels out there that uh you know cut and re-upload this content sometimes don't even edit it at all they just like literally pump it out and I see a lot of value in that uh the reason why I see a

lot of value in that is not because like that audience expands and then they come back and watch me and then subscribe to my Channel or anything but my goal always is to get this kind of information in front of as many people

as possible so that's why I uh do it the way I do it and I think it's probably one of the most ethical ways that you could do it uh at least from my perspective I'm not uh exploiting anyone uh you know

I I do work with some people and uh the the the revenue share structure that we have uh is is they're very fond of it at least you know what I mean and uh but it doesn't look it doesn't really matter there's no

need there's no need for you to to there's no need for you to explain or to attempt to I know that's not what you're doing you're just trying to keep context but uh like all of us know we don't owe

anybody an explanation in these things uh if your problem is not with the content or if you otherwise agree with the content but your issue is with oh because somebody makes some income off of it um there's far more uh let's say um less

pleasantly attained income uh of many other uh forms of of like you know jobs and careers and whatnot and for you for somebody to just kind of Center on some random guy like you in the US making content on Twitch or like JT for example

again like it makes it's so not this in general it's just so pointless I don't understand it it becomes you don't like the person and then you go after them because of this I don't think that this is the fundamental

point of view you're missing it goes back to the the whole uh failure cult thing where it's like uh whether you're a successful YouTuber twitch streamer whatever or one that is not successful it's the ones that don't have any

followers oh they're the pure ones they're following the whatever line the party line is and then as soon as you cross some arbitrary threshold of whether it's subscribers or patrons or whatever then suddenly you're revisionists and all the people come out

of the woodwork to criticize the work you're doing even if the work you're doing has not changed since the beginning of your channel it's really sad yes it identifies I mean we talked about this a hundred thousand times but

I guess it needs to be repeated again and again and again and again and again and again they identify poverty with uh with wisdom they identify poverty with uh being able to genuinely stand behind the marketing ideas that we're all

pushing here etc etc they they miss the the the the structural analysis of why certain profit making is not even quote-unquote bad like Marxism rarely talks in like liberal moral [ __ ] terms Etc it is from the proletarian's

perspective we are getting the shorter end of the stick because the owner gets to keep most of the [ __ ] [ __ ] somebody who streams YouTubes or whatever the [ __ ] he creates he them she

creates the the [ __ ] content by themselves uh markets it puts it out there on whatever [ __ ] platform and then people come and voluntarily give them money this is nothing absolutely nothing to do with the capitalist uh

structure with the way it uh it operates with the system that us Marxist yeah yeah criticize except it's like it has absolutely no connection to it and it's very pathetic to think that uh that modesty uh as it's defined by you know

our our overlords not as the you know the key human trait that we all possess but the the idea that it's good to eat dirt that it's good to to be on the bottom because then you are morally

Superior etc etc is is pathetic and anti-marxist because there's a whole [ __ ] idea literally says we can do better we we can be something more than you know just [ __ ] malls and and shopping centers and bombs on brown

people uh so it's a snake that eats its own [ __ ] acid you cannot consider yourself a [ __ ] Progressive with this or that uh that category if you think that there is anything good in someone uh someone

eating [ __ ] and licking the boot every [ __ ] day that's why it kind of irks me extra extra I know it's a whatever talking point blah blah blah oh my God these guys talk about having first world

problems and [ __ ] but it's much more expansive than you know people criticizing good streamers YouTubers that are your socialists and they make money because it it it's so insignificant see it in organizations you see it in parties you see the the

idea that uh somehow only through a harsh pain and suffering you can truly understand that that you're living in a [ __ ] because uh [ __ ] system because you know if that was true that was really true then uh God [ __ ] help

us because not a lot of people are going to sign up for what we're [ __ ] selling yeah no that that it's so counterproductive I I despise it when uh let these people do it because it's so

inherently counterproductive you make it seem like it's the same as like when people are behaving in like annoying woke scoldy ways as well where you're like making your politics aesthetically unapproachable and uh some people think that that makes you morally pure and and

I feel like it's so stupid it is so insanely dumb I think accessibility is is key here from my perspective there are two things that I value I value charitability and I value accessibility and you are effectively dismantling any

kind of charitability that people might have to my world view and the things that I'm advocating for so if you're truly aligned with the principles that I'm espousing uh then why the [ __ ] are you working desperately to to make it

make someone like myself less approachable uh to a broader population it's just so self-defeating that's part of the reason why I rarely ever engage with um I mean I engage in drama all the time because uh my name is brought up

regularly uh as a as a very effective means to to Galvanize an audience of like psychotic reactionaries you'll get a bump from that so they will like attack me on any kind of [ __ ] drama happening with like content creators on

the internet which is a nuisance annoying uh in and of itself but like I rarely ever engage with like uh I I would say like even liberal or leftist infighting because I think it's unproductive I think it's harmful I

think it's stupid and I think that uh even if I disagree with the content creators world view even if I disagree with where they're coming from uh there are always going to be people in their audience that uh might be a little bit

more um radical in their politics or or uh ripe for uh radicalization like those in the margins who I would much rather have uh you know on my side uh then then against me um especially if they're like moving the

needle in a direction in the United States of America that eases some of the burdens that uh the working class would uh experience so that was that for this uh episode I hope that you learned that uh Hassan is

not just a uh sought them [ __ ] there is some actual complicated uh brain patterns uh emerging there and that uh obviously we are all a part of the the same funnel and as long as how he ended

the conversation as long as we help this funnel grow and help this funnel expand without shooting each other in the foot this is all a uh a great uh way of moving forward with that being said uh Hassan thank you one more time for uh

coming to the show please to the three people in the audience that don't know who you are tell them where they where they can find your work uh some stuff that maybe some projects that you're planning on doing in the future

etc etc and before I let you take over as always thank you very much for to our patrons without whom this show would not be able to to run check it out you get plenty of benefits early episodes

discords chats etc etc uh thank you for all of those who currently support us and for those considering doing that in the future so Hassan please um thank you for having me on once again I am Hassan [ __ ] also known as

hassanabi I'm live every day on Twitch at twitch.tv hassanabi after 11 A.M Pacific and that's pretty much it that's what I do that's all I do it's all I spend my days on I also have a podcast on the side called fear and but that's

not very political it's just uh with some of my co-hosts uh we we just like shoot the [ __ ] talk about irrelevant stuff happening on the internet and and that's it honestly I mean keep up the good work guys I think you guys do a

great job uh both uh on your individual channels and also together and I'm very happy that I finally was able to come on likewise and thank you all right and this has been the program thanks to my ancestors okay yes

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