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Economist, entrepreneur, YouTube channel author, and radio host Dmitry Potapenko is here with us. Greetings.
Dmitry Potapenko discusses societal nervousness, propaganda, demographics, conspiracy theories, and the role of free will and dictatorship in modern society.
Key Takeaways
- Societal nervousness stems from unmet expectations and systemic crises.
- Propaganda distorts reality, fueling both false hope and despair.
- Demographic decline is linked to education, healthcare, and social media access.
- Conspiracy theories serve as a psychological refuge from complex realities.
- True change requires individuals to take responsibility rather than rely on external forces.
What the video covers
- Dmitry Potapenko explores the concept of nervousness in society and officials, linking it to disappointed expectations and systemic instability.
- He discusses how propaganda creates false narratives of total victory or defeat, causing clashes with reality.
- Potapenko analyzes demographic changes, emphasizing education, healthcare, and social media access as factors reducing reproduction rates.
- He addresses conspiracy theories, particularly around figures like Bill Gates, explaining their role as a coping mechanism for societal fears.
- The social nature of the reproductive instinct is highlighted, distinguishing physiological pleasure from the decision to have children.
- Potapenko critiques the idea of fate and divine intervention, encouraging personal responsibility and free will.
- He explains why dictatorships arise, describing them as divine in nature but ultimately self-limiting due to decision-making constraints.
- The discussion touches on the psychological need for adrenaline and tension among officials accustomed to instability.
- He reflects on the role of religion and spirituality, suggesting that divinity resides within individuals and urging self-accountability.
- The video also briefly mentions social and political structures, including repression and elite protectionism.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Societal Nervousness
- 03:38Demographics, Education, and Social Media Impact
- 06:35Religion, Free Will, and Personal Responsibility
- 09:11Political Structures and Dictatorships
- 12:17Elite Behavior and Social Dynamics
- 17:11Repression and State Machinery
- 20:26Personal Reflections and Public Position
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Yes, good afternoon. With us, you always somehow automatically see me on the monitor. Nobody sees me. You imagine then: "Ah, well, yes, we did neuronko."
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The director tells me: "You missed the intro." He starts to get nervous, nervous, yes, and that's why I immediately pay attention to it. By the way, about being nervous. After all, we see that in general everything is very nervous now, and, well, we are
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looking at what is happening from the point of view of Byzantium. And how nervous is Byzantium? That's interesting, I just thought about it. That's how nervous Byzantium and this system are when you understand that yes, that's it, this is no longer a
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crisis, something is happening. You know, ah-ah, that's a good question. Well, I probably didn't mean nerves. Well, well, about nerves it's clear, because what are nerves? It is, in my opinion, when your expectations do not coincide with reality. That is, this is a disappointed
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expectation, I would say. And here is precisely one problem with propaganda, which gives, it doesn't matter what kind of liberal, so to speak, government-oriented, it gives this wake-up call that we've already won everything, or, on the contrary, we've lost everything, and that's it, everything is lost,
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and everything is dead, and then there's a clash with reality. And the majority, when you talk about how nervous they are, they're nervous in different ways. If we're talking about people in power, for example, they're constantly nervous. And I can say that the
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majority of officials, practically of any rank, live at work. That is, they steal, they have big palaces, yachts, maybe some mistresses, maybe a bench in a New York park, but that's precisely the nervous one. That is, if, God forbid,
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the situation suddenly stabilizes, they'll immediately become confused, because they've accustomed themselves to this truly nervous tension. They often lack this adrenaline rush. And the simpler a person's psyche, the easier it is for them to cope. So to speak, when people get drunk, it's just too easy for them.
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That's it. Well, actually, there are a few things, when they discuss games, gaming. It's the same thing, it's the same drug addiction, just in a different package. That is, people escape into another reality. I used to often give this example,
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like, uh, Kuvaev, I don't know if he's an extremist, but he has this character called Umasyanya, whom I loved, although I loved her less than Bo the Hare. Bo the Hare was wonderful. It's a shame that Oleg somehow
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abandoned her. What do you know about rights? And the night elf, well, the night elf - that's exactly her image there, that she's like this during the day, messing around in the office doing something, and then comes home, she's like this, and she's
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just a night elf. So people sublimate all this into some kind of reality. And now there's a lot of this, actually, why aren't boys interested in girls? Because, well, for me, it's just we had a funny conversation today. Oh, well, we were discussing
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demographics, and I said that if you want to reduce the demographics in, say, the Congo, give women an education, both boys and girls—meaning, by gender—give them access to healthcare, because that's the second point. And the third point is, give them, strictly
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speaking, access to social media, both boys and girls, and they'll immediately stop reproducing. But this is a story, of course, when development occurs, contraception appears, education appears. That is, this inevitably leads to the fact that, again, to survival there, you don't need to have a
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huge family, yes, like it was, for example, in the pre-industrial era. And this is where conspiracy theories are born, amazingly. For example, the story about Bill Gates, who wants to beautify humanity. Yes, what did he say? He said that, well, if there is
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education, if there are, well, such things, then, yes, people will, let's say, take a more responsible attitude towards certain things. That's all. But now the story about Bill Gates, who, well, a huge number of people believe that he proposed
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some kind of superweapon. Why is this story so scary? I mean, people are actually starting to live better because they have the opportunity, let's say, again, the same contraception, yes, it allows you to determine how many children you want and how many you
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can, and, uh, provide for your children. Well, no, that's what scares a lot of people.
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Well, what's good about a conspiracy theory is that it's a faith. It's a very convenient mechanism. I'm a loser. Why? Well, because it's a conspiracy theory. Why is everything so bad in our country? Because it's a conspiracy theory. Well, everything's been sorted out there, everything's
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great. Here I'd like to cite another film, respectively, how is it that there is no fate, which Sarah Conorta gnawed out with a knife. And regarding contraception, everything else, we simply forget that when we, well, evaluate whether we have a
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reproductive instinct, in fact, well, our reproductive instinct is very social, it's not physiological, that is, we want to get the joy of sex because it's physiological pleasure. But everything else, having children and crying, that's where the question arises: do
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we need it? And in essence, well, when there's that theory again, let half of humanity die out, that's what Thanos did.
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Only Thanos also had a problem, remember what it was, that accordingly, the previous ones who remained, they remember.
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And then you need to first destroy everyone, and then grow them. Thanos essentially talked about eugenics. That is, Thanos is such an arrant fascist with all the ensuing consequences. Therefore, in general, humanity needs to rely on something.
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It doesn't want to rely on itself, on this inner self, on what is inside, on what I create. I am the primary source. Although it seems to him that all religions—I am amazed every time— all religions, in fact, a person,
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tell you that God is you. That is, you are yours, God has no hands but yours. Well, then do good. Because I once had a philosophical, so to speak, conversation.
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Why doesn't God intervene? Because God didn't do it. He wants to say: "Hey, wait, you want to shift the blame for you killing each other onto me?
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There you go, rattling off all 10 commandments. And what does this have to do with me?" I would also have said in his place: "Wait, what does this have to do with me?" So you're doing this? I answer. Of course, I understand
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that I'm the savior there, I died for you all, but this is too much. I already did it once. Alice, now maybe you should do something about yourself? Well, humanity says: "No, no, no, there you are, there you are,
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please, be kind enough to answer for us there." I want to say to humanity, well, start answering for yourself, and God will really help you.
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It doesn't matter who it is, there is Allah, there is the Spaghetti Monster, he will help you. It will just turn out to be that very same cartoon. It's about the divine, in fact. Nobody understands that the cartoon about the little raccoon
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is about the divine. Don't take a stick, don't make a face, come up and smile. You will smile at yourself, and everything will fall into place. And, of course, if you
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You'll wave it around, well, yeah, you'll definitely get a beating with a stick, because you'll be unsure how to handle it. Well then, if we're looking at why God gave man free will, use your own will. No, it's complicated, let's delegate something to someone. And not even delegate, just decide it for us.
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Ah, well, that's such a simplified, oversimplified scenario, why dictatorships are possible and why dictatorships are limited to some, well, not even a very small number.
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Can I interrupt? I'll tell you, because dictatorships are divine. That's the first thing. And secondly, dictatorships deprive themselves of the ability to make decisions. Ah, that is, it is, it is divini
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because there is no electoral system. You fall, do your push-ups, and come running. And in any case, who's to blame? The dictator. I don't under any circumstances.
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circumstances. And any democracy or, accordingly, some kind of freedom. Freedom is complicated. You are hanging from you, that is, it seems like there is, of course, an external contour, which you are not, you are not under it, it is not subject to you, you are
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not subject to it, but this is this constant shift, but still, ultimately, it is somehow up to you to decide whether to live or die.
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At the same time, this divine, sacred distance that exists, why does democracy still seem unattractive to some people ? Because everything is transparent and close by. You see these people, right? You see that democratic countries are governed by living
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people. They are the same people as you, and apart from the flesh. And a dictator, a dictator is far away from him, if.
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And the dictator is divine. He is there, he is there. He is power from God. He is, in fact, of course.
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Well, then there is the FS ring. The second FS ring. The third ring, you call it whatever you want, right? Well, and this is also like a stage, right?
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That is, when, for example, Why is someone there disillusioned with the stars, they've become too accessible, right? I'll write a comment, he'll reply, I can see that my comment offends him. And why does my comment offend him? He's a
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star. Well, that's all dictatorships do, it seems, but they take it into account. They're far away and they're infallible. Not only do they take this into account, but a person basically tries to rely on it. After all, what is faith?
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It's a basic support. That is, he's trying to define who I am, what I'm for, why I appeared here. And instead of actually not asking yourself questions, but doing a daily task, yes, maybe a routine one, but doing it, this
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pseudo-self-digging begins, because at the moment it's, you know, like, well, thank God, these potions will go away, because everything that concerns the so- called psi, it's somehow in countries where a lot of people are born and marriages are strong, there's none of that there. It's all
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by It will disappear in the wind, it will simply die out physically, because it's a crutch for the dying white race. But the basic thing is to determine that you are the source of your energy. I don't want it.
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I want a dictatorship. Well, just like that colonel who said: " God forbid we have democracy, because we're there, well, they gave us a list, we'll want it." And he said all this to Stirlitz. And if we reflect on the topic, for example, of
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the State Duma of the Russian Federation in the context of the divine and not only the Divine, now I'll try to explain what I mean . Yes, what do you mean? There are, for example, those who delegate, and there are
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people who climb the steps, uh, to this Olympus. Well, as best they can, there, depriving themselves of subjectivity. But still, they climb, that is, there are certain ambitions. And so, at a certain stage, next to this red sun, yes,
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they are. And there How does it work? So, is it also about the divine, or are other mechanisms involved?
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Well, you see, it's very important not to fall out, you're already an apostle. Right at this very moment you become close to power and, well, to the leader or to this divine power. And the task is somehow not to fall out. Well, and most importantly, there's no need to
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tell what's going on there. I've already introduced myself. The Gospel of Zhuravlev. How was that even? Perfect, right? The Gospel is good news. That's when good news comes to court. Well, listen, Zhuravlev as an apostle is actually wonderful and
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amazing. He can preach a lot there . He has energy, power there, well, everything else is a big question. But the energy, the power is there.
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It is there. That's why here, when people get there, they are not afraid to leave, and most importantly, they are afraid to shake off this canopy not of divinity, but in fact, ignorance. Because people who rise to power, often, well, in
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In general, not seven, not just seven-span in the forehead, but extremely unprincipled, stepping over people's heads, manipulating lying and doing it openly, because it is very important for them to feed off this energy of the people below.
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So there is such a thing. Well, when we talk about politics, I remember, I think, Marina Yudeevich told me, she wrote a book, Oil, then for a very short time she was deputy press secretary to Yeltsin.
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And she said that in big politics, shortcomings are your strengths. That's it. Well, it's not that this is a very original phrase, but everything is turned upside down there.
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Let's say, if you are a liar, then this is an advantage. If you have no principles, then this is an advantage. What?
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Well, that is, you survive much better in this system , you adapt to it much better.
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Now the question is: what should honest politicians do in this system? Is there a place for honest politicians?
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There is, but they should be a transitional model. This, by the way, is precisely on the issue of divinity. After all, uh, when we discuss divinity, we ask the first question about evil.
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Where does evil come from? If there is a God, then evil should not exist, or it should be excluded as a class and a system of coordinates.
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That is, a person should not have the opportunity to do evil, but then he loses the right of will. And if he loses the right of will, then is good good?
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Well, because if there is no one particular system of coordinates, like comrade Volanto, he replayed it all, he says: "If there is no shadow from my sword, then how can you understand what you will see?" Therefore, this element here, it has always
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been present and will be present. You can't do anything about it. Philosophy. Well, like when you ran for president, that is, that is also, that is, it was a tough choice, a clear path, a path and a very terrible one.
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What kind of I am? And I even talked about this, and I even talked about it as part of the election campaign, although it was not very pleasant for me. I I understood that, uh, I need to, in order to score
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points, I need to work on this primitive, uh, thirst, there, for a woman for a man, a man for a woman, and 1,000 dollars.
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Well, that is, classic populism without any admixture. And as for me, uh, well, I, of course, can now praise myself. I lie badly, I can keep quiet, that's true.
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But to build a system of lies, well, it's a bit complicated. So, I have to try. That is, I need to remember what, how, what. And so, when I was running, right there in '16, I think, or in
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'18, I don't remember, this story was put forward. But I can tell you how I justified myself.
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Ah-ah, basically, the gist of it is this. I justified myself by the fact that those who were running next to me, well, were even worse. Right there it was trash-trash.
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This is comforting, because it turns out that it is not the best of the best, but the worst of the best worst or not? Like the worst of the worst? I mean, Tom Cruise, but that's another story.
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Well, yes, the best of the best, the worst of the worst, yes. But that's no consolation. That's what I do, and you too . I try to be absolutely hopeless, pointless. I try well well I often say this, so that
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people don't feel alone and in the dark. And the audience I communicate with, and you and I communicate with for the most part, is an audience with intelligence. But can I communicate with an audience like that? Well, I also told this story that I
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once almost got punched in the face in an audience, let's say, for saying not at all. A short-haired kid like me said to me: "Who are you not at all?" And I realized that I had to somehow remove it. I
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understand that I have a short haircut, strong shoulders, but I have to somehow portray this intelligent nature shove it somewhere far away and move on to making something of yourself. That's why it's upsetting, right? No, you just have to, everyone chooses their own
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circle. This circle or this ball, your task, actually, is to somehow push it up to But the opportunity to pull up this person who has completely misunderstood [snorts] this word, that is, the opportunity not to descend to his level, but to raise him to your
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level. This is an unrealistic scenario. No, it's difficult. That's why I often talk about children, because you give them the right environment, because you can't raise them.
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You can only show what you are like. That is, uh, well, it's there in I often still go for walks with the mothers and fathers of my daughter's friends. And I can honestly say that due to the area, due to the
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circle of friends, these are very worthy people. They are worthy, because they carry themselves. Although, in general, we have different ones here, like They say there are drug addict enclaves, as they say.
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But I was n't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, generally speaking. I was actually born in the 20th maternity hospital on Verkhne Pervomayskaya, a neighborhood with gangsters, and then I lived in a workers' settlement, well, not much either,
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but my mom, dad, and the environment they allowed me to create allowed me to somehow not get along, not become an alcoholic. Therefore, it's very important to create these balls so that they roll in the same direction. And
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if an adult who is, well, I don't want to sound somehow supplyist and arrogant here , I'm just simplifying this for our as a kind of model. Well, here's a person, let's say, with certain ideas about life already in
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adulthood, is he completely lost or not? From his point of view, it depends, well, in concept, by no means, yes, by no means will something always be offensive for him or He can still reformat his consciousness and understand that this doesn't quite apply to him. In this case,
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you're asking a question that's both simple and complex. Because the question of whether he wants to grow, whether he understands it, is often the question of whether people who say "I don't want to punch you in the face
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for saying something" don't even understand that. They don't have a cause-and-effect relationship. That's not bad, that's not good. But when people find out, for example, that I defended two theses there at '54, one of which was in English, an
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MBA from a foreign university, they ask the practical question: why the hell? I say: "Well, from a monetization perspective, no way." But even in my crisis situation, I try to learn languages. Why? I don’t know them, I can tell right away
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, but the process of learning the language itself stabilizes me a lot. It is very important for my cranium to devour [clears throat] information. This is my biggest problem - I need to devour information, because otherwise I’m screwed. That is, when my mother
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says to me: “Well, sit down.” I say, "Mother, I'd better go read. I need to read something, play something back , try to talk to a chatbot in German, which is terrible, terrible, even though I passed B2. No way.
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Now I'm trying to force myself to learn Italian the same way. I understand that until I get there, but I'm putting it off so that it can take off later. I understand this clearly . Why am I doing this? I
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like it. Well, it's internal motivation, that is, it's an internal need. A strange motivation. It's like , you know, it's like boiling a pot.
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So I'm hosting a broadcast, everyone asks, " How do you host?" Well, today is always your opening day, so you understand, and then I have my launches, we start the flywheel for the week, right? You often start the flywheel, but then
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by the evening, in general, I somehow still figure out what I'm talking about They ask a question, the topic changes. This is stand-up, after all, you don't send me questions. No one ever sends me questions. For me, this
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drive of brain training is really important. I don't know why. Maybe Mom or Dad put it that way. I need to absorb information.
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Then I'm fine when I've digested it, put it together in different layers, then I get an analysis, I deliver it.
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And at the same time, I feel good that I talked to you, I talked to our listeners, the viewers, because I didn't close it off, it went away. And someone came up to me and said thank you, someone said: "[ __ ] you, you do
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n't understand anything." I'm fine with both. But when the country closes down, when there's this Iron Curtain, they try to pin it on the macro level . Well, blockades, attempts at blockades, whether successful or unsuccessful, is another matter. But the
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concept is still this: let's fence ourselves off. This can be done on the micro level. Translate. It's like a person can shut themselves off from everything and not see what's going on.
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First, they can, so to speak, be ordered, shown, and then they can choose it themselves. Well, this is where the macro and micro levels come together. When a country tries to create this Iron Curtain, you're talking about the same
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principle. Those who want to close themselves off are the very people who need to close themselves off. They're closing off what they came to power for. They fought their way in, and, accordingly, they're doing what they can. Why am I talking about
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being well-versed? I'm probably already so full of Moskomin that I never took people to Turkey when I had incentives, because this Agil guy is n't in charge. I tried to push people to Prague, so that they would go there and
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see these delights, maybe they're primitive, maybe there's beer, but there's a picture there. So, why do I always take my daughters there?
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Everyone often says: "Well, you're just showing off." I say, "There's the Uffizi Gallery, the Guggenheim Gallery." I don't know anything about art, I don't understand a damn thing about it.
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But, for example, when I'm walking and I go into the Tretyakov Gallery, I feel good there.
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I just walked along, I love the old streets of Moscow. Why am I walking there, let's say, from the church on the Georgians, right, along all this ? People are walking everywhere, because I have this picture, and I see people
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walking with me. And why do I look at the patriarch's cathedral, for example, like a freak show? Here I am walking, and there are boys and girls filming there, and they have this beautiful sounding line: "We're filming content." You're filming [ __ ], because there's
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nothing. Except for filming, let's say, a dumb girl who says that a man should earn a million, and, accordingly, not respond there. to some question: "What's wrong, Sweden or Switzerland don't exist, well, you'll just do this advertising integration later
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." But given that this girl, in fact, you just found her yourself on the internet, you yourself told her to slow down, and you got: "She's stupid." But that's the rule of this game.
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And you all got hype. You're doing well. Well, they'll outgrow it. Well, well, someone can outgrow it. Okay, these, although this, I understand, on the other hand, in adolescence post- adolescence, we did some stupid things.
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We thought funny what now doesn't seem funny. Ah, well, and then someone outgrows it. That's the question of who outgrows it and who doesn't . And how do people who come into politics not outgrow this story of theirs about a million, there's a conditional one.
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Well, I just take this as a kind of basis, ah, a very primitive consumer model .
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And the matter The point is that politics, as it's shaped in virtually every country in the world, shouldn't exist. It's what drives stupid people—the stupid business process of politics all over the world—into this business process. And that's where the cycle
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of self-isolation occurs. And this is something I regularly appeal to civil society about: that civil society must begin asking the question: "What is politics?" Why the hell do I need all these different parties, deputies and everything else sitting there? Maybe I just need an
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executive mechanism?" And that's when society starts saying: "Okay, I don't need politics, I don't know whether to be for the left or the right. I have this and that desire, this and that need, and I want, accordingly, for
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you to fulfill it.” And at that very moment, when all of this is rationalized and written out into a business process, politicians will cease to exist, because they can’t, they play on your emotions, on some of your fears. And in 90% of cases,
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politicians, because, well, they, excuse me, are morons, they are worse than you, and they simply should not exist, and should not receive a salary. That’s all.
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This, by the way, is a feeling, and not even a feeling, but an awareness that politicians may not be better than you, not smarter than you.
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And I understood this well when I started working in journalism, when, well, I’ve been working in this genre since my youth, so I was still quite young. Well, it’s just one thing when you see, back then newspapers were still published, eh, when there’s
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a photograph in a newspaper, there, on TV, on some of these, it’s a mythologized figure, yes, They show him there for a short period of time, he says something, but he's on TV, and then you get to know these people and
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understand that, like in any society, there are different people there, some are smart, some are, as it seems to you, stupid. I'm not giving an assessment, and so on. Good, evil, honest, dishonest, not so honest.
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Well, in general, the whole set. But there's nothing magical there. I talked to many presidents, and I talked to Jacques Chirac, I didn't talk to George Bush , but I was standing next to him, I could see.
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Well, people are like people, yes, and that goes away. But not everyone has the opportunity to get close to them, right? No, that is, not everyone works as a journalist to see or is an entrepreneur, or there and so on. You don't see
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all this. So how can you see it if you don't get close? If you, if you want to see, you will see it, and if you don't want to see, you won't You'll see. You don't necessarily have to
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get close to them. That's why I often say, when I'm looking at, say, some presidential driveway, no matter which president, don't look at the president himself, look at where his inner circle is looking, how it's organized. That is, look at the small
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details. It's like when you want to see something, you have to look out of the corner of your eye. Look at everything out of the corner of your eye . Then everything, these small details, these small movements, they will be
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registered. But if you're just there for the emotions of women for a man, a man for a woman for 1,000 dollars, and it turns you on , and you start beating a tambourine like this bunny, well, then you
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deserve it. That's why most of our fellow citizens deserve the rulers they have . We can't hold anything against them. This is the problem, so to speak, of the lousy intelligentsia, which is starting to steal. Well, how could one
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be so stupid? The answer is It's very simple. It's not only possible to be so stupid, but it's profitable. From a rational, internal energy standpoint, being stupid is more profitable than being, say, a lousy intellectual. Because the brain,
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well, as we know, is the most energy-consuming product, yes, the most energy-consuming, and it consumes the most energy. And to be like this: po po smiled, swayed, po devoured, that's the easiest thing. Well, then, it seems to me,
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how RAM is so valuable now. Thanks to Nvidia. And not only them. But still, what always surprises me is that, well, again, it's not that it surprises me, it's just that you see how the same people step on the
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same rake. That is, a politician comes to any country, our country is no exception in this sense , says something absolutely impossible to do , but pleasant to the ear. And this continues for 20 years. And the person goes,
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votes for these impossible things. Then yes, and What? Why? And after 4 years it goes away and then dies again.
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Again, the same old same old crap. Because again, the person is saving energy. He was told a woman for a man, a man for a woman, 1,000 dollars, everything is fine. But if you start... That's why I said right away, when I was going into conditional
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politics there, that no one would elect me. I'm not even potentially a president there at all. And, relatively speaking, Vladimir Vladimirovich is the real president of the Russian Federation. He's set everything up very skillfully . And that's not even the worst case scenario. It could have
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been worse. Well, he still monopolized all the resources in... And then, and then it's a natural process, when you essentially, well, relatively speaking, I, of course, relatively speaking, am an intellectual there, in VV, I would come and say: "Listen, well,
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if I can screw them all, then why the hell do I need all these fluffy ones? Why would I even flirt with them here? Here, periodically, when the topic of all sorts of party stories comes up, I say that from the
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point of view of elections, I would have abolished them altogether long ago, because it is irrational to hold them and, in general, to maintain parties is irrational.
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Moreover, I would disperse most of the mechanism of this public policy, because it is completely unnecessary. There are executive mechanisms, they work well, and Russia would be wonderful, well, that is, it would be governed even better than now, because there would be no need to
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even flirt with these elites who are superfluous. These are unnecessary elites, these public ones, yes, the elites want to protect themselves.
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The bureaucracy wants to protect itself. Accordingly, this always meets with resistance. That is, the bureaucracy protects itself better than anyone else.
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She, she, she, and she reproduces better than anyone else. I'm saying that if we exported officials, we would probably take over the entire world of officials. There the Germans are thinking about where to park their Mercedes , and there the countries of the former
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post-Soviet space, exporting officials, would enslave not only the world, but the universe. And, honestly, in all this fuss, here is the story with Lev Shlotberg.
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The man was given 11 years, right? 11 years 1 month. For what? No way, right?
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Even if you look at the brewer, yes, because they gave it, and his conversation with the judge is indicative. I think that later all this will be written down, just as the story of Brodsky and Judge Savelyev once made it into
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history books. Well, Brodsky was allegedly tried for zatunyastvo, yes, but nevertheless it was a famous case. And here is the story of Shlosberg’s conversation with the judge, who, uh, who, to whom he said that he felt sorry for her, and then also said that God would
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forgive her. What kind of story is this? So why 11 years? That is, because he is not here, because the answer is no continuation, there is, if you want, I will tell you the continuation from the point of view of the authorities, they imprison people exactly as much as necessary so that they can
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deal with them. The next government, that is, passes on such a baton, one such message to the future. They all understood years ago. In about eight years they will start playing directly from the gun carriage. And those who spent more than a dozen years there, this is not their
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problem. They simply say: "Someone will die, well, that's your sex drama." Nobody will die. They are not the ones in power, yes, even such a regime is rational. And even when you give an example, you understand what the judge wanted to convey.
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The judge wanted to convey the following, very simple thing. She doesn’t like this process either, she doesn’t want to sentence him to any term either, she will sentence him anyway. And all she wanted to say with these interruptions was that let's
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finish quickly. That's what you talk about there, about humanities, about humanism later. This is about procedural matters, it’s just the lawyers fighting back. She just wanted, she also wanted to get out of this process. She's not happy either. But there is something like this, he grabbed his
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chest, say something. Is this a corporate principle or is this not a corporate principle? That is, when they convey I don’t know, to say to people, like hello to the future, this is called.
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Well, that is, they eliminate a person. And what's more, if we approach it cynically from a corporate point of view, that is, keeping a person in prison, that also needs to be paid for somehow yes pennies, if he dies on his own, it's absolutely ideal
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, just ideal. Well, is this a corporate approach? Is this an evil corporation or is it something else? So, or is it a hybrid? What does it look like? Now the state machine is repressive.
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It's like, you know, swatting flies. Just so the flies don't buzz. Listen, guys, we understand everything, but if I were in their place, if you somehow regularly give me advice on ideal evil, I would simply say, I would disperse this whole
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damn policy. Well, they don't need her . The sooner they clear this out, the field will simply switch to a system of direct control; public policy, the Federation Council, the State Duma, and everything else, municipal deputies, will be
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completely unnecessary. All that is needed is to remove the executive mechanism, clean it up, and not have to suffer from this elite.
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On the contrary, this elite could be sent there along the same lines as the opposition. All.
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Well, and then, thanks to Dmitry Potapenko, we have the classic guys with heavy machine guns who want to defend their right, I don’t know about Zhuravlev, yes, to be a State Duma deputy.
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They want to defend their right. I am a crocodile, I am a crocodile and I will crocodile. This is what they want.
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Well, that's what they want. And this desire is very strong. And I think that there are not...
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But maybe there are also guys on the other side with large-caliber flights? They want it too. And we have to, well, shoot at each other, not too much, but crush each other somehow. We have to twist each other's heads off.
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This is true. How do you divide the golden toilets in this situation ? Well, if the government is going down the path of rationalization and eliminating everything, and there are n't enough golden toilets for everyone in the houses on Rublevsko-Rublevospensky, then something like that is
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needed. I was just saying that wars of conquest are very important, but it is not in the spirit of sending troops anywhere, but rather, like Comrade Trump, I have created a sovereign American Twitter here, and this sovereign American Twitter must
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come under my sovereign control. No, no, not guys with heavy machine guns - that's just a figure of speech. They just have to ensure this transition, this foundation for it.
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And the guys without machine guns, well, who are now falling out of the business process, well, Viberis is burning, sellers, vendors are suffering, and that’s a huge number of people. This is still a large percentage of GDP, but quite noticeable, let's say.
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But could eliminating this group from the active business process, the economic process, provoke something?
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No, they are too small. Even Wberris is a very cheap company compared to this. There is also an oil refinery there at the same time and it’s nothing special . That is, if there starts a fight between them,
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say, in the first power financial-industrial group, in the first twenty of the conditional Farps, then yes, and those small fry there.
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We have 155 families. These are families, so to speak, of the third or fourth echelon. Well, really, just imagine physically 155 families with Farpsovsky there.
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These are large rural financial and industrial groups with various assets and such. [snorts] Why haven't they confiscated it yet? Well, it's still early, it's still early, there's still something left to eat.
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They also gobble up small things. In general, they are still full of blood. And do you know what the biggest problem is? I just had a meeting yesterday, and there was the so- called, well, in Moscow, the International Monetary Association. We
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met people who were doing just that back in the nineties. The biggest problem for them is that they don’t have a dream. They have money like dirt, but no dreams. They don't want to. So, what was, so to speak, good about Byzantium during the time of
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Peter the Great? You stole money, but you built, you built some kind of Mariinsky theater or you built and arranged something at your place, and what about these others? Well, a golden toilet, well, you built a mini-Versailles, but
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then what? That is, beyond the horizon of your death, well, your golden toilet will simply be melted down, no one will be interested in it. Therefore, they have no dream beyond the horizon of their death or goal beyond the horizon of their death. That's
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why by the way, I encountered this, not exactly a crisis, on an individual level when I was doing a series of reports from Rublyovka back in the early 2000s. We met different people, and there were, of course, smart people and
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funny people, although very rich. Oh, and by the way, one of the entrepreneurs, who was actually quite a smart person, well, maybe there is, I do n’t know, I haven’t seen him since the 2000s, he was just talking about this, yes, that there is
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money, but if there is no goal, then, in general, you can also fall into depression . But I don’t remember with dignity that it doesn’t even bring you satisfaction . That is, and that is why he has paintings there, he worked with something there, I will
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say. This businessman reproduced for you , in essence, a book by someone who served time in Nazi camps. The main thing is that the message must be a goal.
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After all, in places where freedoms are limited, it is important to come up with a goal for yourself. It is important to come up with a schedule when, so to speak, the jailer cannot influence even this.
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And you can always readjust, you are still within the framework of freedom. Even if it is your own, it is your own freedom. As the hero said in the film "Don't be afraid, I'm with you." Philosophers feel free in prison
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. It turns out that this luxury is so garish, I also saw a lot of very funny things there. One, for example, built a house in the form of a crypt that revolved around the sun or something like that
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. I rode on rails. You can, you can, you can, you can, but why? For that, this is an attempt at self-satisfaction like this . Well, I have money, I’ll spend it on something, I want to stand out. Here. What is this
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? This is an attempt to find support. This is an inner emptiness. You can’t do anything, so you built this crypt, no matter what kind. So what's next?
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Well, someone explained it there, but I do n’t remember it anymore either. Sorry, memory operation. Maybe it wasn't exactly like that , but that's what I remember. Someone explained to him that the skin is better preserved in the crypt
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, and he was there to avoid aging, so he was somehow spinning around in this crypt. Oh, well, I didn't see it myself. This was just a story from one of my acquaintances from Rublyovka, who also had some kind of
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massive house. Maybe, [snorts] maybe it didn’t happen, but I was impressed by this story about how the human body, the living one, is better preserved in the crypt, and he somehow spent more time there.
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But there was another interesting story, I think it is very revealing. This is the Pirogovskoye Reservoir, uh, where there is some kind of place where you can’t go out, yes, but a lot of yachts have appeared there, of course.
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And he says, one bought it and all the others ran there too. And in the end they filled the Pirogov Reservoir with these yachts that couldn’t go anywhere. This impressed me, really, because he put up a yacht, and I want the same one.
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And they ended up standing in this confined space on these yachts. Well, essentially, in a bathtub like this.
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Well, they were launched by helicopters, I don’t know. I think they started it up with helicopters. Well, you can get out there through certain procedures, but it’s exactly the same when you buy there, I once had the idea of buying a jet ski.
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I rode once, twice. Then I just said to myself: "Okay, let's do it this way, you'll, so to speak, ride for a season, just ride so hard that you'll be able to ride. You'll just be on all your money, just like on a speech." Then I
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took it for a spin and realized, "Why buy it? What for? I mean, I like to just cruise around on the water. Just rent it and that's it. And that's the point, because it ends up as scrap metal, you have to do something with it
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. It's like in that movie where Kortnev says, "Some creepy chicks in some Altuf, you can go somewhere and drink with them , but why?" But this status is, well, billionaires have yachts. In Russia it is very common, as we know. More yacht,
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more yacht. Well, this is a must, this is an indicator. You have to have a yacht to be considered a human being. Ah, I do n’t know, in a certain community.
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It's just your own island. This is the point of one's own loneliness. After all, this is not your yacht. Well, you understand how you get there. You come, there is a crowd of people. Eh, a crowd of people. Well, it's like this
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, you know, there are people who love domestic servants. For example, I can say: “I can’t stand it,” because the apartment is simply becoming, well, a communal apartment.
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That is, so to speak, it’s okay to come and clean up, but when there’s this guard house there, this house with the servants, listen, is it possible to do it somehow without all this, so that I can live, not they live, but I live. Then everything
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falls into place. Therefore, as Confucius said, it is not the one who has a lot who has a lot, but the one who somehow knows how to work with his needs.
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Oleg Tsenkov told me about a yacht, he had one too, and then he even lost sight of it. Well, he says it’s somewhere, he’s walking somewhere. But that is to say, I don’t know what’s wrong with her now, but he told me at
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some point, yes, indeed, so what, well, yes , well, you have her and what’s easier, cheaper to rent. Exactly, just like you, if you are into this professionally, because there are guys who love to race, I understand everything perfectly, investing in
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cars, everything else is just super. But when you just put a bunch of, uh, supercars there.
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Well, that's all that concerns it. When I look there in the United Arab Emirates, at the Namirs, well, I have several friends who have a collection of cars, but they are professional racers, that is, they are practically semi-professionals. But when it’s just a car for the sake of a
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car, you stand there and think, it’s like wine that stands there, and you just pray to it . As an investment resource, it’s fine, but what did you buy it for? Do you want to try? Have a drink. Here's the bottom line, for no
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reason. Well, well, what are you messing with [snorts] ? Why did you come into this life, so that it could exist somewhere out there? No, you came here to develop yourself, there is an environment, to create this ball, some of your
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friends, acquaintances, so that it rolls somewhere. Then they'll just turn off the lights. And even if there is something there theoretically, we don’t know it for sure, because there is no answer from there, then there will be different rules, different things there, what is not
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here is not the same as the fact that the dead do not live alive there.
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Well, this is a realization that doesn’t come to everyone , as I understand it.
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Well yes probably. Why am I simpler in this part? Because at the same time, when I go to Krasi for seven, you know, I had a casino there , and I was doing it in such a way that I tried to work,
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essentially, every other day or every other day , to earn money. When you work one day, you see, say, the police academy, then you go with the guys from the second medical school to the morgue. And there it is, fire, fire and
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water, it’s just very, ... When I came back from the morgue after my shift, I just looked at those who were coming to the casino. And these people have a lot of status. I mean, I actually saw exactly the same one, but on the
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table. Well, this turns out to be a kind of philosophically contrasting understanding. That is, here you have short-term success, perhaps you grabbed it there, yes, but success in quotation marks, of course, because if you want to beat the casino,
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buy the casino, as the hero of the famous movie Casino with Carso said. Well, the morgue has given a lot, yes, in terms of philosophical understanding of life, working in a morgue. Well, I'm a little bit there, but in general,
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I also gave an example that the majority of women work there, because the psyche is more gentle, at least this was in the late eighties, nineties uh plus well, a person is not just death, she is suddenly mortal. That is, we have such a
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[ __ ] high opinion of ourselves that, well, I want to say, let someone take you to the sea, and you just walk around, see why we, ourselves, are killing ourselves. And the main word “why” no longer arises. That is, I
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understand, I say every time that humanity is often insane. This is best in places where humanity is completely brainless. Often, some flies or fruit flies are more intelligent than us.
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The donation came in at $20. Thanks to our viewer. Vladimir, I always enjoy listening to Podtapenko and completely agree with his words about the need for an intellectual environment for adequate human development. I think the older you get, the harder it is to make those
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connections. Well does age limit us or not? There is no age limit. The question arises in the intermediate phase. Well, that is, you already begin to understand the word “why” at the first hello. After all, sometimes people even
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write to me and say: “Dmitry, can I join you on your walk?” I say: "Yes, of course, no problem at all . Well, just ask what we're going to talk about." And 99.9 are merged in progress. I don't.
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Why do they want to join?" Because he is a famous person. Well, everyone has their own little quirk. I even remember, well, I don’t remember, probably you’re not in your program, when I came to the Kingdom of Heaven for my father in the Morgue
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just to pick him up, and to negotiate, accordingly, with the procedures there, well, the service personnel, things, everything else. I was in a daze there, well, I was just in shock.
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And people come up to me and say: "Can I take a photo with you?" I'm like, "Okay, let's do it." Well, I actually understand the whole drama of this moment. At the same time, when a person subjectively experiences some kind of
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tragedy, it is not obvious to an outsider . Well, he seems to be, well, I’ll come over, look, I saw Potapenko, well, maybe I was asking so politely . That's why, you know, I started accepting the good, right? That is, when people
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express gratitude, they send some money . That is, before, I was a little bit like that, but now I have my public position there, when they hand over the KUAs and everything else, I say: “Guys, so that no one can ever in their life be able to
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say that, you know, we knew what happened, it was difficult for him there, and we did n’t have the opportunity, we didn’t know how. I always say this, that, guys, you all had the opportunity. I can only say that there is one, well,
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maximum two people who simply give a gift. I have started accepting gifts, including gratitude.
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There, when people come up to me, there, I’m sitting again on Kozem Swamp, they say: “Thank us, we invested wisely there or we entered the school wisely.” I say: “Yes, please.” Because I always say this, yes, it will be so.
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Because it’s, well, people do it from the bottom of their hearts. Well, there are also different different traces, it seems to me, that you leave. That is, if you do something good for a person, maybe It may be, without even
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realizing it, but it remains somewhere, I don’t know that I don’t know if I’m doing a good thing, you know? That’s the whole point. I do n’t intentionally do good to anyone. We’ve been talking for years now, and
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every time I talk, I catch myself thinking, “Oh, my God, that’s it, Vadim has a different task. He definitely needs to either criticize the authorities there, or, on the contrary, praise them. He needs hype, but you start and you go into
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philosophy." I find myself thinking more and more. We're about to blow the broadcast, and then I look, bam, and you have an audience that often watches our broadcasts.
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More people watch me alone with you than watched, say, me and two experts. I'm like, I want to say: "Respect to the audience, respect, really, I'm thrilled that you're interested in what Vadim and I are talking about there." Although, it would seem much
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better to say there that Rashka will fall apart, oil refineries will burn, Wildberries will go bankrupt and everything will be fine .
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And my philosophy, right? Well, by the way, in this sense, it seems to me, I myself never know what we'll talk about. I don't have any plan. And I, well, our viewers know, but I don't send anything to Dmitry
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. Today we'll talk, I have no idea. So we meet, Denis says the broadcast is launched, and off we go.
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Wherever it leads, it leads. But this is also true in real life, to be honest, when the camera turns on, it's a different story. In real life, for example, with a stranger, I don't know, well, to the hairdresser, thank God I don't have to
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go anymore, yes, my wife cuts my hair, [laughter] but I used to go, and when I needed to talk to a stranger about something, I don't know what to say. That doesn't happen to me . It happens to me at
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certain moments, specifically professional ones and so on. But otherwise, I'm quiet, generally modest, I generally try to talk less and be less in the spotlight. It's the same thing, believe me, that, accordingly, sit, be silent, that is, the
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main thing for a good person is how to remain silent. That's the most important thing.
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This, by the way, is a good thing to end our broadcast today, or rather, to put an ellipsis. So, write, comment, like and follow Dmitry on all platforms. And we will continue.
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Thank you. and until next time. See you. Bye-bye. Well, that's it.
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