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I wrote something here. What was the name that you had in mind? [laughter] I don't understand. Choose a number. You see, now you were looking at six.
Master mentalist Lior Suchard reveals how social media manipulates minds and shares insights on mentalism, persuasion, and human behavior.
Key Takeaways
- Mentalism techniques can reveal how social media manipulates perception and belief.
- Nonverbal communication is a complex language that can be learned and used to influence others.
- Self-taught dedication and creativity are crucial in mastering mentalism.
- Mentalism serves both as entertainment and a tool to understand human psychology.
- Despite technological advances, low-tech mentalism remains relevant and impactful.
What the video covers
- Lior Suchard discusses how mentalism techniques relate to social media manipulation and nonverbal communication.
- He shares his personal journey of becoming a mentalist, starting with solving Rubik's Cubes and developing mind-reading skills.
- Suchard explains the importance of body language, breathing, and eye movements in detecting truth and lies.
- He emphasizes the role of mentalism as a performance art that amazes audiences and reconnects them with childlike wonder.
- The video touches on the impact of social media on younger generations and their trust in influencers.
- Lior reveals how he used mentalism as an icebreaker to overcome shyness and improve social interactions.
- He describes his military service and how he continued to practice mentalism during that time.
- The conversation highlights the lack of formal courses in mentalism and the necessity of self-teaching and innovation.
- Suchard discusses the balance between his public mentalist persona and his private life as a father and husband.
- The video also addresses concerns about AI and technology, emphasizing the uniqueness of low-tech mentalism performances.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Mentalism Demonstration
- 03:09Early Life and Developing Mentalism Skills
- 06:16Using Mentalism as Social Icebreaker
- 09:10Military Service and Performing Mentalism
- 11:47Self-Taught Journey and Body Language Insights
- 15:46Personal Life and Balancing Mentalism with Family
- 18:41Mentalism vs. Technology and AI Concerns
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Okay, yes. This is not normal. Is it possible that this mentalism is used to manipulate us? The whole concept of body language reading and nonverbal communication is like a different language. This element exists in the level of social media. The new
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generation, they don't do the news, they watch TikTok and they see someone who said something and they believe them because he's credible. He's an actor.
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It's not a lie if you believe in it. Given everything that you know about the power of the mind, how do we live a more sane [music] life? The answer is very simple and difficult.
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Lior Suchard, the most important master mentalist I could find to sit down and understand, why is the world becoming so mental?
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Mental is the right term. Mental, crazy. Nuts. Yeah, people lost it. No, they lost it and they're having fun while losing it. I hope they're having fun.
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I mean, some of us are. No, they don't know. We don't know we're having fun while we're being mentally abused online.
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Correct. [laughter] Anyway, thanks for coming in. We're going to have some fun and also I'm going to get to ask you some questions about the powers of persuasion and what is happening to all of us, but I've known you for a long time and I've been
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wanting to ask you this question. Were you just born this way? How did you figure out that you want to be a mentalist? It's not like you're like Harry Potter and you can go to school for it. It's kind of like it's very
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similar to other things, but it's more rare. For example, if you want to be a good pianist, right? You need to start learning, you know, the notes and you still have to keep learning and it can take you a lot of years to be like an expert,
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right? And if you're an expert, maybe there's somebody else who's better than you because he gave more time and dedication. So, it's a little bit similar and not because as a child I was fascinated by how people think. I used to solve
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Rubik's Cube and after I solved it, I loved to, oh, let's solve it blindfolded.
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Oh, after it's blindfolded, oh, let's solve it with one hand behind the back. You know, like challenging myself to do those stuff because I knew the algorithm.
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And I discovered because I was, you know, I always say I'm wearing a Superman ring first because I love Superman and because it reminds me that, you know, when I'm on stage performing I'm Superman. I'm like going [snorts] crazy.
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It's like a rock and roll mind reading show. But when I'm off stage, I'm like Clark Kent. I'm like I can forget my daughter's kindergarten class. I'm like I'm clumsy. I forget things.
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And I was like this. I never used to know how to talk with girls. I never used to start the conversation.
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And I decided to create and invent ideas of small performances and icebreakers so I can start talking with someone.
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It comes down to getting the girls' phone numbers. [laughter] Jumping to age 17, 18, my pickup line was the perfect pickup line. I said, if I guess your phone number, can I call you? Mhm. And the girl was going like,
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okay, try to guess my phone number and I would and I did, you know, I guessed the phone number and she said, okay, I'm going to call you. So, it's kind of like a nice icebreaker thing.
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I'm still shy. I still think that I'm not good in conversation. It's just me and my impostor syndrome, you know.
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[laughter] Like all of us. Like all of us. Like all of us. So, that was my mechanism to approach the people. Hey, let me show you something. Let me show you like something about the mind. Let me
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show you how we think. Let me show you how I can influence you. So, I actually wrote, I had like a notebook and I actually wrote ideas and concepts and I read books about influencing and hypnotics and suggestion and body
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language reading and nonverbal communication and stuff that's interesting and stuff that's not interesting, but in my mind I was like taking small notes from lots of things and constructed my abilities and my ideas.
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Math, I was very good at math but I used to be interrupting all the time because I was like thinking of different things.
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Today we call it ADHD, I think. The most successful people in the world are the ones who have had some tags labeled on to them. And I remember Ori, my math teacher, said, "Listen, Lior, let's do a deal. If
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you stop interfering every Friday, I'm going to give you 15 minutes in class to show something for all of us." And this is like age 14, 15. Mhm.
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As long as it's got to do with math, numbers, shapes, things about geometry, stuff like that. So, I took the challenge and I had to because I wanted to perform and I wanted to show things.
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And you know, years went by then, you know, go to the army and Air Force unit called anti-aircraft missile, the Patriot missiles, American Patriot missiles, you know. Okay. And back then they used to laugh at us that you're not
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really like fighters, but now we are the superstars because like Iron Dome, this is the development. This is the development.
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But I used to do it all the time. So, in between the service I was used to flown to different play orders. There's one of the commanders is leaving. Do a show.
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All the non-official stuff. Can you do this? Can you do that? And I start to perfect the craft. And this is what I always love to do. So, are you self-taught or did you pick up courses?
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There's no courses. Now there are some courses, but it's kind of like I learned the hard way. I had to invent the systems and the ideas.
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And I found out when you look at people the whole concept of body language reading and nonverbal communication is like a different language.
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It's like a language. And I'm not talking about what they teach you in like how to shake your hand, how that this politician shook, if it's like this, if it's like this. No, this is like the super basic. I'm talking about
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the breathing and eye movements and the eyes, how they look to the constructed memory or to the invented memory or to remembered memory, which is which tells me if you're lying or not lying, aspects, you know, of the mind,
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of different areas of the mind that I took it not in a scientific way to a show, to a performance, to like a let's do a rock and roll and get people amazed and become children again. That's
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what I did. I can't imagine what it was like for your wife to go on a date with you.
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[laughter] Listen. Were you reading her mind or were you just same pickup line, but she had she had a boyfriend back then. [laughter] And it had to take a few years until we were both single and
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we did it eventually. So, it was meant to be. Are your kids afraid to lie to you because they think that you're going to pick it up?
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My kids, no, they don't think about it. For them I'm a cool dad. I'm a famous mentalist dad traveling the world doing TV shows.
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I'm wondering when will be the time that I'll be like, oh, stop that. Stop embarrassing us with your mind tricks, you know, stuff like that. They get it. They understand it. I'm like a little kid, you know, I go to Office
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Depot. I'm like wow, because my whole show is based on office supplies and, you know, hardboards and writing. It's a low-tech show. It's like against AI. It's like a non-AI show.
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Doesn't worry you? No, there was a director, I don't remember the name. He said something interesting like 25 years ago. He said, "Listen, when I start to come here and perform." He said, "Whatever you do, whatever you
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do." Because there used to be a trend of Israeli actors or, you know, foreign actors wanted to succeed in Hollywood and they start to learn the English and to perfect their accent and, you know, that. And he said,
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"Whatever you do, don't change your English. Do your mistakes. Remember how to say the word. You are a UFO anyway."
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American. Don't try to do this. And since then, I mean, my English is pretty good. It's okay, but I still have my accent. People don't doesn't know where I am. They don't know where I am.
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They don't know what I do and it's kind of like adds to the Maybe part of your trickery is that we don't understand [laughter] Nobody understands. That's the basic.
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That's the basic concept. Were you a nightmare kid in school? Not a nightmare. I again, I was a fun kid because I used to do tricks to everyone. But it was never magic. It was never, you know, pick a card. It was
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always mind-related. It was more like I'll give an example. I brought this. You know, when you go to the casino you know, and you throw the dice. I just threw it down so I got number six. So, you can throw it. Let's see what number
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you get. And you got number four. Do it again. So, it's one to six. chance Yes. And this is luck. I will never be able to guess luck because it's it's real luck.
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That's why I don't win the lottery every week. Right. Only once a month. No, I'm kidding. But if you take the die, take it, take it and put hold it in your hand now. And now this is number one, right? And now
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you change it something else. Change it. But I want you to choose something. Choose a number. Don't use luck. Use your mind. Use like a choice.
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Yeah, now you chose three. So, do it again. Do it again. And now you chose a a four and do it one more time. And now you chose six.
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So, I think I know what's going to be your next choice. And how are we going to prove it? You're going to take the die below the table so I cannot see and then choose a number and cover it with your other hand.
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Really cover it. Okay? And did you cover it? Yes. hold it like this so nobody can see.
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None of the cameras can see. But I'm looking at you. Did you choose number three by any chance? How was it possible? Why didn't you guess two? Do it again. Do it again. I would have guessed two.
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Let's try and change it. So, you had three and this is kind of like the math of your of your mind. So, you had you chose another number? Yes. So, now knowing you you, I think you will go with a higher
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number, not a lower number. You will go with number five. That is not normal.
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Why? I was like It's five. One more time. Just No, no, I don't want to Try again. Try again behind the back. Is it like a mirror under me? No, no, no, no, no. I'm a very annoying person. It's very annoying
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because I'm letting it just happen without even thinking about it. I know, I know, so it's kind of like nice. Now, I'm thinking what will you do and I if I were you [laughter] I would go to four, by the way.
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That is not normal. It's four. Yes. Yes, but I'm telling you, I'm just like letting it randomly fall in my hand.
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Yeah, and I know How is this happening? So, so there's no mirror here. heard No, no, no. So, you heard of the term in poker, you heard about tells? Yes.
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Tells, for someone who doesn't know what tells are, is when you have like a good hand or a bad hand, and you start to see the pattern in people. They go like they go like, you know, when you have a good hand. Some Some
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people have different patterns. Someone who has a good hand and will go like, [snorts] oh, no, you know?
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Yeah. Someone who will do it when he was bluffing. Okay. But, the tells are like subconsciously element, you know, things, subconscious things that we do that we're not aware of that tells us what's happening.
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to you. me, because I'm I know how to read this language. Language But, even if I'm trying to trick you, and you can say and you can look at my eyes and say, oh, she's trying to trick me. It's random, whatever.
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It's still one one out of six probability. Correct. No, so I did the test before to to see how you look at again number six, number three, number two. I I looked at you. Uh-huh. And I know how your tail works. So
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just have a crazy memory? I have a good memory. I have a good memory. But, when you look at four How come you got lost on the way in here?
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You were completely lost. That's the the Clark Kent Superman syndrome I was telling you about, okay?
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When I'm in the show, I give you a spoiler. I can I remember 100 names of the audience. Their names are like I I And when I go off, I'm like You're a complete mess. I'm completely This is
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crazy. to be I have to be really focused to do this. And, super important, the other side has to be willing it work. They have to be with me in this experiment. So, I I'll give you like a I'll give you the
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like a paradox, okay? Let's say it's a question I've been asked, but let's say there's like a someone who's stole something and he he hid the the treasure somewhere, okay?
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And he's in jail. Where's the treasure? Where's the body? You know, one of those elements. I would never be able to find it unless theoretically the person in prison will say, "Okay, here's the map. I'm thinking of the location right now. Let's see if
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you can find it." The second he's going to say it I will know the exact location of the body, of the treasure, of whatever. But, it's a paradox because this will never happen. Right, cuz they would never want to give it away.
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Exactly. Wow. Uh so, if you if you will go and challenge me and go like, "Oh, okay.
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What am I thinking right now?" You know, like this, I will would never be able to do it, because I need to You need clues.
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I need clues and I need I need to create the the game. I need to create the I can try taking the die.
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And now it's interesting because you chose three numbers, so you can choose different numbers Okay.
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same numbers. Okay, that's right. So, hold it in and close it. And don't even Yeah, oh, you see, now you were looking at six.
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Okay. Yes. This is not normal. This is not [laughter] normal. How How do you know? I know. So, you can just say you can tell what my eyes look like when I'm looking at six.
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It's a combination of reading you and influencing you. Because when I did not influence me. It just fell on my hand. No, but you were I you were looking at it. You were You were choosing it. So, I'm I'm looking It's
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kind of like There There's an aspect of of one of the elements in the stories of Sherlock Holmes. He used to do it. It's called the pencil reading. So, if I'm like doing this, what what shape did I do it now? You
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know what it is? Right, that's easy. right? Because you can see the elbow and you see this.
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So, imagine this, the exact same element, all right? lower in a more focused more focused more focused. So, you get to a point where I can just write something and you and you see this.
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the skill to tell. the skill, exactly. So, I [clears throat] can send someone you know, to to think of something and I can I can I can feel things. So, it's kind of like the same thing. So, what I did
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with you with the die is before you chose it Yeah. what did I tell you? I told you, "Oh, you already chose three of them.
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Maybe you choose something else." And you did choose something else, because you didn't choose six.
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attention to that. It's what fell in my hand. you'll see. Yes. Okay, I'll do a rerun. Well, by the way, it's incredibly generous of you to explain this, because usually mentalists don't want to give their secrets away, which I don't understand how It's not
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secrets. It's not secrets. There's There's There's an element of you know, when you watch magicians, for example, or grand illusionist. You mentioned the David Copperfield before.
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He's the greatest illusionist of our time. You know, people, you know, when you see him doing these stuff you are amazed. You have my god, but you know in your heart that it's not real. You know that the woman
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is not cut in half physically and then brought You know there's like an You don't know what happened, but but but here when I do a show it's like a you know, 2 hours with the audience participation, and you see those kind of feats, but
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larger feats with the audience and somewhere in the back of your mind you are saying you're questioning, is it real? No, you like you think it's really real. No, no, but you you you When you see magic, you know it's not
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real. Here, there's an element of belief. Like a religion. It's like you're Can he do Can I do it? Is he Wait, is he reading my mind? Is he reading my mind?
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Totally. Exactly. So, there's like another another element. And this is what I love. It's more sophisticated.
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It's more intellectual. It tickles the brain. Um When we are children, all right? When we are children, we are we have a curiosity and we have wonder, because we don't know nothing, right? We Well, and the experts haven't blocked us from
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the world of possibilities. the experts. Now, you can watch something on TikTok that says it's an There's an expert and it's not an expert. You know, now you are like you're Yeah.
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You're like falling into like ocean of like land. Exactly. They don't have fear from things that we know. You know, I went skiing for the first time last month, for the first time. I'm like [laughter] like this. My kids, 4 years old,
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you know, it's like, "What's going on?" It's amazing. They don't have fear. They don't think about it. When we grow up we start to know things. We start to uh know what's good, what's bad. We think we know everything. We start to
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lose our curiosity and our wonder. And as you said, we have the experts. We know this is wrong, this is good.
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And when I come And this is the reason why I do what I do. When I perform Mhm.
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everyone in the audience I I see them become children again. Yeah. I see them. I see I see them go They're like 10 years old and like, [sighs] And no matter where you are, how much money do you have, what's your
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background, and for like the period of time of the show, they become children again. They have the sense of wonder.
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the reason I keep asking you about your childhood as You know, I'm an educator.
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I taught, you know, virtually every grade. And I'm very critical of of the way schools are run, where I think kids are given mostly binary choices. It's either this or that. And for somebody like you, it's not about a binary choice. It's not this
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or that. It's the world of possibilities. And I think one of the reasons why I asked you these questions as we were walking in, whether it's harder to trick an adult uh than a child, or is it harder to trick a child
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than an adult? And your answer, it's actually harder to trick a child, because children have not been sold this concept of two binary choices and the belief in an expert, somebody who's going to tell them what is true and what
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is real. Children are more open, and as we grow up in a society where we are just put on a journey to believe these binary choices, we lose the ability to actually see them. In reality, children are more susceptible to being able to
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see reality than adults who've been brainwashed essentially. Yeah, I remember I I told you before about the beginning of the the the motion picture, the movie uh The Prestige. So, it starts with a magician, you know, 100 years ago, and he's
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showing a little bird bird cage with a little bird uh with the audience, and he goes like, "Poof!" And they And they disappear. And they They The entire audience goes like, "Oh!" And then he goes, "Watch this." Boom! And there's
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And you see the bird appears like on the top of the terrace. And everybody's like, you know, like this. And everybody's like clapping their hands. Except one boy who says, "Hey, what happened to the first bird?" Mhm. So, it's it's it's a
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It's an amazing analogy because have I Not to do more spoilers, but they kill the bird, basically. The magician kills the bird in every show, and there's a duplicate bird in the movie.
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So, it's the same It's the same thing. Uh the kids are not programmed to react to certain things as adults.
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As a mentalist, by the way, this is what I did with the cube. I know how you think. Kids, I don't know how they think. I mean, I can do it. Kids are coming to my show. They're amazed,
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because it's still amazing. But, it's harder. It's harder because they're not programmed as adults.
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Because what I do, I bypass how the mind works. I know how the mind works. What reaction you will give to what word, like hypnosis, like suggestion, like uh uh influencing people.
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And there are words of influencing. There are ideas of influencing people. We see it all the time in movies, in a commercials. Mhm. I'll give you an example. You know all the cosmetics commercials. Usually they have the because every woman needs
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because you deserve the word because. The because. And this word influences us from childhood. Because I remember myself playing uh outside the my house, and my mom is saying, "Hey, Lior, come and do your homework." And I go, "One moment, I'm playing with my
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friends." "Lior, come now and do your homework." "Why? I don't Because I said so." Mhm. And that because I said so it's kind of like a you know, it's it's programmed into our minds. So, we would see it
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30 years later in a commercial, because every woman it generates the same spark, the same thing that makes us react to yes. So, now it's yes, I'm going to buy this cosmetic. Yeah. Yes, I'm going to use this. So, because
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imagine the word, very important word. Imagine you're driving in this car, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah They use it because these are words of influence.
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Mhm. Uh elements that bypass the way we think and programs us to react to say yes to something. Wow.
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I'd imagine, and I know the team didn't want me to go into the serious stuff, but I I can't step Let's do serious. I like I just I have to ask you this question.
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Given that what you do basically for a living, and I I'm sure for a hobby as well, is study human behavior, um understand which words work, which words don't work, read people. Is it possible that this mentalism is used to manipulate us because we
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started this conversation by me saying I feel like the world is becoming crazy, we're becoming mental. Okay. And all jokes aside, you spend time online and you're seeing people believe in really, really crazy things, and we don't understand where it's coming from.
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Oh, I understand perfectly where it comes from. I'll give you an example, you know, one of the one of the things that I talk sometimes about it. I'm not like a preacher about it, but you know, the psychics
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Yes. Yes. Psychics and fortune tellers Yes. and those like you know, spirit people. Some of them they use some of the techniques that I use.
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Sure. But they took it to a different different things. So different story behind it.
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It's a different storytelling. Oh, it's like um I give an I'll give you an example.
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Uh we'll do something very, very serious. I'm going to ask you to use your imagination.
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[snorts] And I want you to think in your minds, we do know each other for many years, right? We haven't talked for a lot of years, but we know each other.
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I want you to think of someone that you know that I don't know, but go back like There's no way that I could know.
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And you're nodding, so I see that you have the name in mind right now.
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Yep. Um and it could be a man or a woman. Don't respond, but I see that you're nodding.
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So, I would say it's it's a Somebody you do not know. Yes, it's a Just for you, it's a random name, then.
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For me, it's a random name. For you, it's a it's a Mhm. Do you remember You remember the name?
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Yes? Don't don't say it. Just And did you You never told it to anyone here, and it's not like a set Nobody here knows. Nobody will know. Uh it's a guy.
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No. It's a woman. Okay, okay. I'm just I'm just doing this. Are you thinking of the name in Hebrew or in English? In Hebrew. In Hebrew. Can you switch a little bit to English?
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Yes. Okay. Okay. And can you think So, I'm writing it in my mind in English. Okay.
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Exactly. Um This is difficult. Uh but can you I'm just going to I'm just going to go with the A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z.
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Can you think of a letter in the middle of the name, but don't say it. In the middle of the Yes, but don't say. You got it? Yes.
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Okay, you were You were like the It's a It's a It's an A. [laughter] Right? It's an A.
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Yeah, yeah. How? Uh it's an A. I'm going to write an A. I'm going to write an A.
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So, what's happening here that I wrote an A of the name, right? Yes. And you look at it, and now you're imagining the name. I don't know how many letters are in the name, but you're imagining the name here.
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Um So, there's a process. Now, because I know you're being a little bit skeptical, you are skeptical a little bit. You're like, I'll try to to manipulate back. So, you maybe you think of different names, or maybe you think of a last name. I don't
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know, whatever. But can you tell me without telling me the name Can you tell me what's the what's the connection to you? Like is it a friend?
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Friend from from Yeah, I hope my friend doesn't mind me mentioning Okay. [laughter] the name. And just for for everybody who's watching us right now, this is I just want to have This is not a set. You never told me any
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information. Okay, so I'm just going to I'm just going to look at you. I'm going to write something over here.
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And I'm going to do this. And I'm going to do I don't know. I'm doing this. You are I'm Okay.
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I'm doing this so you don't know what I'm writing. I don't know what you're writing. A lot of lines. This is crazy, by the way. And I hope I I I hope I'm not going to embarrass my friend. I hope
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I'm I hope I'm not embarrassing myself. [laughter] So, I wrote something here. What was the name uh that you had in mind? That just is the first What is the name?
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To say the name. Yes. Tal. Tal? Yeah. Okay, I was very close. I was very close. This is what I wrote.
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[laughter] I don't understand. So, what what was I moving my eyeballs? There's There's a lot of things. Tal is the name. Yes. Wow.
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Oof. I got goosebumps [laughter] I see everybody's here like, "Ah!" And this is very bizarre. Okay. Okay.
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So, if you could do that to me, with me, Yes. are people able to do this to people online? Can they Yes, but I gave you the like the Russians? The Russians? They would hire mentalists.
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There were stories about a guy called Wolf Messing. When I did the shows in Russia, they used to tell me, "Oh, you are like Wolf Messing." Wolf Messing, uh do a research. He was a legend. He was like a mentalist, a mind reader, a
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psychic. No, but I did this just to show you. He was a legend who worked for Stalin and helped him manipulate the public to believe in in horrible things, which is why I brought you here because I want
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to know whether the the the Russians, the Chinese, the Qataris Using a mentalist? Are they using a mentalist to brainwash America?
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in ins ins continent, and we're all fighting brain No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Y'all Y'all get together in Hogwarts. But I did this I did this to show you that if I had a if I knew how to do It's very difficult to do it, but
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if I could do it, and I would open a clinic. Yeah. instead of thinking of Tal, I would tell you, "Oh, think of someone who passed away." And I would guess the name. You were first of all in shock, right? You
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were How do you know the name? Yes. I would say, "Okay, I'm getting something. Oh, wait, she's saying something to me." Uh and then I would do this, and you would believe the second part because I managed to do the first
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part. Yes. And this is how the psychic works. Did you already know the name before you did all the like stories and whatever?
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Like did you know it as soon as I thought about it No, no, there's a process. There's a process, and I'm I'm getting like a little bit of like a Sherlock Holmes like kind of thing.
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the little chitchat that you do is part of your process to get to the answer.
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It's It's [laughter] It's not that you already knew the name just when I was thinking about it or something.
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But but but even I know it's hard to explain, but imagine I'm doing a show, okay? 90 minutes performance.
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And I can bring someone on stage Yeah. and do something, an element with them.
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Doesn't matter. One of the one of my mind games. While I'm looking at someone from the third row, preparing them for act five.
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Yes. And looking and saying to him something that will make them react. Yeah. So, imagine this. And then when I get to act act five, I already did something with act one. Right. You're collecting data.
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so many things that's happening at the same So, so after a show, I'm like I'm like a mental exhaustion.
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exhaustion. It's like a mental gym. Yeah. Uh but I gave you this example to tell you that things are happening in social media, politics, television media that some of it are meant to do it.
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They're not There's no I don't think there's like mentalists sitting and let's do this. Let's do that. I mean, if they would, they would be better, by the way, because we know how to influence people. And there's not a lot of good
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mentalists. Mhm. But what happened it's the same principle like when you watch something, you know, the new generation, they don't They don't They don't do the news. They watch Tik Tok. And they see someone who said something, and they believe them because he's
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credible. He's an actor. He's like, "Oh my god, you know what I'm telling you, this is Yeah, or he's famous, or she has a lot of followers, or etc.
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by the way, another element of influencing is authority. When you go to a supermarket, you want to buy like a cream. Oh, this is from Dr. Suchard. Oh, this is probably This is probably better because this is doctor recommended. This
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is like the authority. So, when you You know everybody talk about social media about the hooks, about how do you capture you? Yes. So, it's the same thing. When you see something that's interesting, "Oh, this is from the
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doctor." Yes. On television, by the way, when you see a commercial, they have regulation. They say the actor is not a doctor. They have to say it.
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Right. In the fine print, which you have to say. Here in It's like a It's like a free for all on social media. Yeah.
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It's like a western. It's like Well, and then the other thing is you gave you gave the example of the birds, right?
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The two birds. And and the the the binary choices that are that are basically placed in front, especially the adult that's easily manipulated, where the child is less in that binary world, but once they become, I guess, teenagers or adults, the expert tells
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them that the bird disappeared. Yeah. And the expert tells them that there was only one bird, right? And so people sometimes they see the expert, and he's not really an expert. Right.
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He's not really the expert. Right, he's not really an expert, but I think what people need to understand is often times you're going to be presented with two choices, where it might be a third, a fourth, or a fifth choice, but
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because like that's what you do. You like you kind of like present Here's what happened. which is you want people to see.
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is very, very simple, and we all know it. When you see something, the easiest, most simplest thing, right?
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What do we do What do we say to people? Wait. Stop. Do a research. Do a research. Search it. Watch the truth.
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They're They're lazy. They don't want to see it. They got They got the information. What happens is is we got to a a period of time when we get information in a very short form, 30 seconds. I know the whole story. Yeah.
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That's it. It's hard to open the book. Open, read. Where is it from? Why did he say that? What are the facts? The facts became subjective facts.
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They say my truth. What is my truth? There's no such thing as my truth. If you're eating a pizza and I tell you I tell you [snorts] I love pizza with uh with pineapple, you know, and you're like and I say this is my truth about
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pizza. It's fine. It's my truth, but I cannot say my truth about science. I cannot say my truth.
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my truth, your truth. There is only the truth. If you have to qualify the word truth with my or your or his You can do it.
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then it's no longer truth. a trend to say my truth. I can never say my truth. There's no such a thing as my truth when it comes to facts, history. There's There's a There's a famous quote from from
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Seinfeld, you know, George Costanza. He says it's not a lie if you believe in it. You know, it's so true.
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Because and and again, if you keep repeating a lie and you repeat saying it repeatedly and you get it from here and from here from here, the the individual might believe it to be the truth. Can you coach me a little bit on body language?
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So Body language, that is a way to possibly tell if somebody's trying to manipulate you or or lie to you.
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you a cool trick. Okay, so let's start with a story. Uh you heard the term NLP, neurolinguistic Okay.
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Okay, it became a trend, but the origin is a mathematician who uh called Richard Bandler who discovered something really cool.
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He said he noticed that when when there's like two people or a group Let's do Let's go with two people. Two people has like a good uh chemistry relationship vibe um they're starting to subconsciously imitate mirroring, rapporting each other. Like we're
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sitting like this. You see we're sitting I'm mirroring with you. like me? I like Yeah, it's like this.
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Okay. [laughter] So he said something interesting. He said like like the rules of, you know, you know, A plus B equals C. Okay.
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So C minus B equals A, you know, you know all of this. We learned it. So he said wait a second. From a math point of view, if this happened naturally between creatures, Okay. you know, creatures, monkeys, dogs, people. So remember,
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if we let's say let's talk it like in a very generic thing. If we like each other, if we like good energy, we start to imitate each other in the body language, in the breathing, in the eyes.
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I take a sip of coffee, you take a sip of coffee, you know, stuff like that in a date. You can see it in in date uh of people. You'll see that like she's leaning and talking to him, she's
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leaning and talking to him. You'll see it happening. He said wait a second. If I do it intentionally, Yeah. if I create the mirroring, will it cause like the good vibes?
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Affinity. Yes. Yes. And the discovery was yes. That was the essence. And you can see you'll see now after I told you you'll see a lot of politicians sits You see Trump is sitting like this.
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The person next to him sits like this. Okay, usually the person next to him will try to rapport him, right? It depends on the status that's going on over here. You'll see um people leaning in, leaning in. So
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even if a job interview, conversation, something, you want to create affinity, Yeah. you want to create like a good energy, good vibes subconsciously.
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Do a little bit of mirroring, but don't be like a monkey, you know, don't don't don't [laughter] imitate.
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Okay? So it's kind of like I got I give you a story. I was I was I was hired to do a show for a big um uh phone company, famous phone company.
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[snorts] And I did a show, it was great, and they asked me, "Can you give us a tip, you know, when you know how it is when you have like uh you got a bill like a 10 bucks? Doesn't matter the money. And you
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call them, "I want my money back. You liars. You You stole money from me." You know, one of those you when you need a representative on the phone?
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Yeah. And the girl poor girl on the other side said, "I'm sorry sir. Uh let me check.
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I don't know what happened." And she's like, "Calm down, sir." And when she says calm down, you're like, "No, I'm not going to calm down." Oh, never tell a man "Bring me a supervisor right now." So I told them
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something very simple. I told them, "Let's use the elements of the rapport of the NLP. When he goes like this, 'Give me my money back. I hate you. I'm going to leave you.'" I told them I want the other girl to
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say, "You know what? You know what? You might be right. Let me check and do whatever I can to do it. Let me bring you a supervisor." And the And the guy shuts up.
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[laughter] Because okay, she understands me. Right. So she actually Yeah. create this mirroring thing. And it worked.
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in every situation. [snorts] Um so mirroring means again, it's not copying. You're in a Do you use mirroring on stage?
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it all the time. I use it all the time. You're in a first date, you are in a job interview, you want to get a raise, you want to talk to your partner, whatever.
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He's Now, when I say mirroring, this is this is goes to the level of breathing of like So the guy tells you, "So how do you think How do you How do you feel today?" And you you need to go
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like, "I I feel very I mean very good." You know, you need to imitate, Mhm.
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you know, the other side very gently, very very Don't be again, don't be a monkey. Don't do the same thing.
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Yeah. But when he sips his coffee or her coffee, you respond by sipping the coffee and respond. So it's kind of like So that creates It's a dance. Yeah. But now after I told you this and everybody's watching us
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right now, when you go in a restaurant, look look for those people, dating people, and you'll see people are smiling, having fun, you know, you'll see they're imitating each other subconsciously.
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So this is like the essence of of body language reading and influencing. When you are in a position to do this, okay? That's why we're sitting like this. Now, I cannot see your legs and you cannot see my legs, so
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it doesn't matter, but I would never sit like this because this would be like That's why I'm always like this when you're interviewing.
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sitting like this? Of course. So if I sat like this, would you be sitting I would I would sit like this and talk to you like this. Yeah. But again, let's say let's do a little test. Let's do
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like this and you're changing. So change. Change the way I'm sitting. like this. So I'm not doing it immediately. I will look at you, keep answering your question, and then say, "And Marissa, about the what you asked me before, about this." It will be very
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natural, but it will turn to this. What do you think it means if I then moved back away from you? Let's say you did like cuz on a date or in a job interview, somebody might change positions and actually retreat. But this
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is some This is a different concept. This is not about mirroring. This is about how you affected them. Right.
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If you went to more to the personal space, if you did something offensive or defensive. So this is how you can see what they're doing. This is like another element of body language reading or influencing to see how people are at it.
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Right. This element exists in in in in the level of countries, in the level of social media.
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Explain how. Because because it's the hooks. You know, it's the hooks that causes us to uh to watch the video.
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[snorts] When you see a song competition on one of the channels, it's not like you're Oh, he has a better voice. It's not This It's the story. Yeah.
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I like her, I don't like her. Yes. You know, it's kind of It's It's like this. Um the presidency, United States, Europe Israel UK, nobody cares about How do you call the presentation of the party when you want
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to be in power? Like the platform? The platform. The party platform. Nobody Nobody reads the party platform. This is true.
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I like him or I don't like him. That's it. We We We We skip. Yeah.
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everything. Yeah. And I like him, I don't like him. It's very simple. Everything became very very simple. I like him. It's a real It's a big reality show. Do you think President Trump understood that and used it?
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Definitely. I think he's I think he's doing it um naturally. I don't think he's thinking about it. I think he's a really genuine person who just talk whatever he wants. It doesn't matter what you He doesn't think what you
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think. He thinks [clears throat] what he thinks. We'll deal with it later. Let me tell you first, then we'll deal with you later.
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But his ability to simplify has been one of the reasons why he's more trusted or more listened to?
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I think I think it's a very good technique because simplicity, you know, you you always say to you know, KISS, K I S S, keep it simple, stupid.
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I always say to you know, to my assistants, to people that I work with, keep it simple. Don't be Don't go like this. Just go Tell me the point. Go to the go to the ending point because I'm
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bored. And people are getting bored fast now. People have things going on. So he kept it simple, and that was genius. But I don't I don't think he's thinking I will keep it simple to It's natural for him.
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natural for him. I think he used to do it in business. I think do it like Let's cut to the chase.
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Yeah. What do you want? What do I want? mentioned social media and countries. So you know, I was going to ask you first the some of the stuff you describe is one-on-one, right? Like I move forward, you move backwards, etc. We're able to
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connect. We're We're talking about breathing. You can only hear my breathing if you're next to me. But you're on stage with 50,000 people in front of you. You're not going to [clears throat] hear them breathe, right? So how do you use that technique?
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It's more complicated. It's more complicated. It's It's not just this. It's When you see me bringing people on stage, you'll see me uh you'll see me now doing a little bit of rapport, mirroring, uh imitating them a little bit, standing
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like them, explaining to them how to stand, and and doing this This is to create the good the good vibes between us, the good energy, and also preparing them for what I'm going to do for the next act. I'll
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give you another example of influencing. Let's say that um you call me and you say, "Lior, listen, I was at work. I didn't have time to do this paperwork. Please, please, please help me. Please, please.
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I need to give it tomorrow. You're my coworker. Okay, please help me. And I go, "Uh sure." And I'm working with you with you.
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And [snorts] I'm doing the work with you and I do the copies and I'm helping you.
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And I give it to you first thing in the morning. And you tell me, "Lior, you saved my life. Thank you so much." What do I need to tell you now?
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What What would you What would you do? So, if I tell you now, Marissa, listen, thank you so much. You saved my life.
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Thank you for helping me. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. What What would you What do you say? What do you say?
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Uh you're welcome. What else? Uh Uh it was nothing. Or you can say You can say no problem. See? So, all of those things are mistakes.
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Because you're losing a leverage of influencing. So, I should be like, "Oh, it happens to be that there's something I want from you." No.
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[laughter] You use this line. You say, "No problem." You'll get me next time? no. No problem. I'm sure you would do the same for me. Uh-huh.
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And if I tell you, "No problem. I'm sure you would do the same for me." This, you know, sticks in your neurons.
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And I swear to you, if I go to you in 3 years, Marissa, I need a help.
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What do you need? Let me help you. And this I love this influencing concept because it it's also between uh individuals, groups, and countries.
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And I love this example. I I live in Tel Aviv. I love Israel. You know uh Turkey. You know that the relation with Turkey is always like this.
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Always always up and down, up and down, up and down. And I remember I was born in Haifa.
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And I remember that Turkey, I don't know the exact year, but I remember there was a big earthquake.
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Mhm. Lots of lots of craziness. And I remember Israel was like we were the first one who sends Yeah.
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You know, uh 669, they know the special units, the aid, the the planes and to help them.
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Yeah. Doesn't matter about relationship. Doesn't matter about the relationship. And then I remember that we had like a a low in the relationship. We had like you know the prime ministers and and we start to talk bad about each other
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and it's been a few years. And there was a big fire in Haifa, the forest. Huge fire.
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And the relationship was bad. But the Turks were the first one who got the supertankers with the water. Mhm. And that's was nothing to do with politics.
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Nothing to do that their prime minister or the president said something bad about our prime minister. They There was like And I was like Humanity.
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Yeah, but that was That was like I was looking at it I was I'm looking at it from a mentalist's point of view I was going like, "This is like This is influencing." We were the first one who offered the help.
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We always be the first one. We know it's without knowing it. So, this is the tip.
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Try to offer help. Offer help first. And use this line, "It's okay. I'm sure you will do the same for me." Yeah. It's biblical, right? It's a good deed brings a good deed, a negative deed brings a negative deed.
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Right. I agree. Do Do the trick on me again. You showed this to me before, which is also amazing cuz I just think you know I I talk about discernment on the show all the time and being able to
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discern. Uh and oftentimes there options, choices placed in front of us and it's hard to know the truth. And this is a classic discernment trick. This is something that I love. I used to play with them when I was very young. These
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are coffee colors from a coffee place. And I love it because if I show it to you, you see the bottom one is a little bit little bit um uh bigger than the top one, right?
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Yeah. But the interesting thing is that if I change them, all of a sudden this one looks a little bit bigger. You see it like this one. Or if you do it again, this one looks a little bit kind of
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weird. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But if you put it that one after another, it's exactly the same size because it's the same coffee color.
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Uh this is called the Jastrow illusion. Uh and you can do it yourself. And it's based on the shortcuts we have in our mind.
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And the the way it It's like a little uh uh how do you call it?
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It's like rounded off a little bit, right? like a bow a little bit like something like that.
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Concave up. Yes. And it creates the illusion that this one is bigger than the other. It's not.
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It's just Just look at it. I used to do like a trick when I go like, "Oh, this is bigger. Let me cut here." Then I would cut this this piece and then this would be big. Oh, wait. Let me cut the
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other one. Yeah. Uh let me cut another one. So, this would be like a nice trick I used to do, but this is an optical illusion.
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But there was another add-on to this optical illusion. It was not just a illusion. It was me saying to you, "Notice that the the bottom one is a little bit uh little bit bigger." And I was holding my hand
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and I was looking straight to your eyes. Yes. I used the illusion and I used authority. I'm Lior Suchard. If I tell you something, probably right. Yeah. Uh it's probably correct. And you were nodding with me. So, it's registered in
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your brain as a fact. How do you It's the same Let's go back to what we said. It's the same this expert in TikTok saying something Well, that's exactly which is not a fact, but he's very attractive and he's very
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telling the truth his truth. Yes. [laughter] Well, this is exactly what I was going to ask you, conspiracy theories. I mean, this is literally what you just showed me makes me think about conspiracy theories.
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Same thing. You have somebody who is a self-proclaimed expert who is nodding on and saying, "Look at this and look at that. Does it Can't you just see it?" And people are like, "Oh my god." Didn't you know the earth is flat? Yes.
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So, it's just How do conspiracy theories work? I have a friend a real friend that thinks the earth is flat.
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And I love to make fun of him. And I noticed something. If you want to do it as an experiment, Yeah.
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go to the beach, watch the sunset, and lay on your back. Okay, lay on your back watching the sunset.
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Until and and you're lying on the beach, right? As the second you see the sun disappearing, quickly stand up.
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You'll see it again. Which means you didn't see it from here and you're standing up. Now you see it again because there's a curve over there somewhere.
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So, what did he say? I showed it to him and he said, "No, it's because they always will think of the facts will never matter." Why? Why do the facts not matter to conspiracy theories?
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because it doesn't matter for them. Because they're so into their belief. Is there an addiction to conspiracy? Is there some dopamine release that you get?
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yes, yes, yes. It's a dopamine dopamine release and it's also like a social thing. It's something about I don't know. Being like being part of a club that knows something that nobody understands.
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Yes. Yes. Yes. And there is really no accountability when you just don't pay attention to certain other facts. It's like the mind wants to fall into these conspiracy theories.
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I agree. What is it about the mind that needs that? I think it tickles our brain. I think it's exciting.
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It's also exciting for them to be different from other people. Uh different from this.
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Is it a little like why it's so exciting and enthralling to watch a mentalist show? Like somewhere inside of us we know that it's very unlikely, but there is a an endorphin line. It's the dark It's the dark line
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between reality and you know and lie. Yeah. It's like this. Then you say it's true, it's not true. You know what? I did an experiment once. I did a small show for like a you know 30 people.
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At the beginning of the show, I said It was a real social experiment. I said, "Listen, you're going to see something an hour now of like mind tricks.
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I'm going to lie to you the entire show. Nothing is real. It's all bull You know, it's like this. I opened the show. I said it's a real My my real show is open like that. I said, "Hi, I'm Lior
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Suchard, blah blah blah." I used three techniques, mind reading, real mind reading, real mind influencing, and bull [laughter] And everybody's laughing and I I start the show.
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And I said said to them, "Listen, everything is going to be bull It's going to be like tricks and magic and whatever." And the end of that hour, people came to me.
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"Nah, you're wrong. No, it's real." It's real. You're arguing with you. No, no. Do you think Do you think some people are more susceptible? Oh, definitely. Can you pick on them in a crowd?
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But it depends on it depends on the experiment. It depends on the experiment I do. I mean, I'm doing a big show.
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There's like 20 acts, different acts, different aspects. There's aspects about connecting people, aspects about math, stuff about touch and smell and visualization and prediction and lots of stuff.
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Yeah. And as I told you, I can be with you on stage and do something while I'm setting up for act five or six for some I think I'll choose them. I think There's like I I go with the audience with clever
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stuff. sometimes I'm wrong, you know, sometimes but that's as a performer will get me a uh [snorts] a different reaction or not the reaction I wanted or it will not work. But for that I have like a like an anagram, you know, that I can go
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Yeah. this way or this way or this way. Um I can I can teach You know what? Let me teach you something. You want to You want me to teach you something?
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Let me show you something cool. I think it's it connected to some to the stuff we talked about. Let's put some objects here. I'm going to write.
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I'm going to write. Don't look what I'm writing. Okay? [laughter] I'm going to write. So, I I want you to see.
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So, my name is double S, right? Yeah. Okay. I write a message for you.
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I don't know if I wrote it. Okay. Maybe I misspelled it, but I'm going to put some objects here. So, we don't have a lot with it. Let's do a pen. Let's do this. Let's do this. And let's do this.
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So, we have the book. We have 1 2 3 4. Let's do one more. What do we have?
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Let's do the book. Okay. So, you see all the those objects? Okay? Uh can you mix them?
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It's just about choices. Mix it change the location. So, everything goes. Right? Very cool. And split them into two piles. So, like this. No, let's do a three and three. Yes.
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All right. And now, this is we're going to start with the the first choice. So, if you would imagine to push one of the groups towards me, what would it be?
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Push one of This one or this one? Okay. Okay. So, you can push it. You can push it.
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And we keep it like this. With your right hand, pick one of them. Doesn't matter.
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With my right hand? Yeah, pick one of them. And with your left, another one. Doesn't matter.
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Yeah, give me. So, we did a game of elimination. We did a game of elimination.
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A fair game. You could have selected this one or you could get the other two.
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And this is the the chocolate. It's a nice thing. And you don't even know why you chose it because it was just this.
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I wrote Marisa will choose the chocolate. Okay. This is really crazy. How is it even possible? I totally randomly grabbed these things.
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So, no. I tell you I randomly And I am going to teach you I'm going to teach you how it's done. You ready?
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Okay. All right. So, this is the game. This is the game. Let's do this. Let's put the objects.
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So, you think there's one story. There's actually multiple stories. Let's do the game again. This time we'll do it a little faster. Okay? So, we have those objects.
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This doesn't matter. So, you mix it up. I'm I'm telling you I did not pick the chocolate in advance.
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All right. Try and try not to pick the chocolate. Okay? Okay. So, I have my prediction here.
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So, now I am picking in advance cuz I didn't even know you're going to have me pick something.
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You'll see me First point, this is very important point. You don't know what's about to happen. Correct.
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So, here's what it is. So, make the two piles. Three and three? Okay. You want to change or something? Change You can do.
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Sure. I can change. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, you do You do whatever you want. Okay. Now. So, remember what I told you. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. It's okay. So, this is about choices right? Okay. I really tried to confuse you now.
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This is about choices, right? So, imagine you would put you would push one of the piles towards me. Which one would you do? Doesn't matter. Which one?
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What? This one? Yes. All right. Okay. It's okay. And okay. This is what you you want? Okay. Yes.
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With your right hand, pick up one of them. Doesn't matter. This one? Yes. What did you choose?
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I cho- So, you didn't choose the dice and you didn't choose the marker. You chose the chocolate. Yes. Look what I wrote here.
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Marisa will choose the chocolate. don't know. You made me somehow pick this chocolate, but I don't know how you did that.
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it again. Let's do it again. Let's do How are you making me always pick the chocolate?
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a different story. Once again, look look look. Let's do it again. You'll you'll you'll see what's I'm sure one of the 1 million people watching this, they're like, she is so dumb. How is she not picking it up?
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It's it's working everyone. Again. [clears throat] Let's do this and this. Okay. Now, watch this. Now now you will see what's happening. So, you have the two piles, right?
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Yes. Okay, Marisa, it's a it's a it's a game of choices. If you had to push one of them towards me, which one would you push? This one or this one?
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What do you want to push? Okay. Is there something you're doing with your hands?
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Make a choice. Do it. Which one do you want to push? Wait, those ones? Push push push push push More more more more more more.
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That's it? Yes. Okay. Now. Okay. I got it. It's irrelevant which one I pushed. Yes, because Let's say Wait, wait, let me stop you. You don't know what is the story.
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Wait, I I don't know what's next. You don't know what's next. You don't know if Now, notice I never used the word let's eliminate or let's keep.
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Right. Because you don't know. So, like I pushed, but it doesn't matter. I could have pushed this. It doesn't matter. You focus on the other one.
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What happens is this. This position I want to say it in front of a million people and be like, at this position, we are three and three. And I'm aiming for the chocolate, right? Yes. If if Notice what I tell you. We do it in
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experiment by imagination. I want Yes. You imagine you push one of the one of the piles. Which one do you push? If you went to here, do it do it for a second.
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I I stop you. I go like this immediately. Those ones Those No, I don't say good. I say those ones and you nod.
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And then I say, "Okay." Yes. say let's eliminate. I say, "Okay." Okay. If you go Yes. I don't touch you. I go, "Those ones?" Keep pushing. Keep pushing. Keep pushing. And in your mind Yes. Yes.
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that I kept this one. Now, second part. Look what I do. There's like there's like a three stories here or four stories here. Mhm.
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With your right hand, choose one. Now, the second I see you Wait, the second I see you go here, I immediately add and with your left hand, choose another one.
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Yes. And then which one is your left with? look look look. What do you What do you choose?
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Those two? No, wait. Give me give me. Okay? Yes. Look what I do. You sure? And you're nodding. Yes. And we have same zero result. Now, watch this.
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Second attempt. If I go with your right hand, choose one. If you choose the chocolate, it's like Done. Done.
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But it's important to say this one and you're nodding. Are you sure? So, you didn't want this and you didn't want you wanted the chocolate. Boom. It's all right. But, here's the best part. Yes.
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Let's try one of the chocolate one of the Okay. With your right hand, choose one of the objects with your right hand and with your left hand, another one.
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No, no, let's say that you're choosing the chocolate. So, so you're holding like this.
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So, those two? And you're nodding. And then I say, "Listen, final choice. This is super important, Marisa. Super If you had to give me one of them, what would you do? What would you give me?
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The chocolate. So, this is the one you want? Boom. Or [laughter] or or or or or or. Okay? If you had to give me one of them, give me one of them what whatever you want. Just give This
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one? Yes. So, you're keeping the chocolate. Yes. Boom. So good. [laughter] It's so good. So, this is a little bit of This is a manipulation that you can do.
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It looks so easy. It's not easy. Mhm. Guys at home, you have to practice to do it. Oh, yes. I think I My people can They can do this. They got this one down.
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Practice because it's You don't know the story. Now, this little mind trick leads to countries and social media and This You don't know what's happening. You don't know what's going on in the back of their head. They're so I'm so
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assertive about this because in your mind, you say, "This is the trick. This is the story. Whatever I choose, he chooses la la la la la." Yes. And it's easy to do it and it This is how it works. So, I invent the story
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a different story to every choice that you make. Same in my show. When I choose someone who is not very good for the act or maybe I messed up or something. I mean, I'm I'm a normal person.
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Again, it's those binary choices that are placed in front of us. This is true.
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This is true. This is true. But, the way you weave the story together is a complete illusion. It's a different truth. Yeah.
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Which is not a truth. It's not a truth. it's the truth. Wow. That's why that's why I go back to my my truth. I hate this There's no such a thing as my truth. There's a truth. Yes.
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You know how it is when you when you go to court and you go not you and me. I never went there, but when you see it and they look at the facts. They look at this He said this. He said that. You
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know how it is when a cop stops you and you go to court and you show a little little thing. You show like He was not wearing a his name tag. Yeah.
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He was not You know, one of those little things. It's fact. Oh, sorry. Technical thing. Boom. It's This is the truth. This is what matters because in court, you cannot say, "Maybe or not." You have to have to be cold.
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I didn't know. I didn't know. Yes. It's the same here. It's the same here.
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Wow. Amazing. So, same thing here. This is like the test. You write your prediction.
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And you aim the story to the prediction and you try to be very very casual about it. Let's do it with four elements. So, we got four elements here. Yeah. Uh take one in your right hand, whatever you want. I'm very
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casual. now I have to imagine which one have you decided that we should end with.
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No, no, but I'm going with the chocolate. So, try again. Just take one with your right hand. It doesn't matter.
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And one with your left hand. It doesn't matter. So, those two? Yeah. And look what I do. I do this. You immediately give me, right? I don't I don't tell you give it to me. I just do this. Those
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two? Cool. Two are left. Hold them. Hold them. One in each hand. And just give me one of them. It doesn't matter because this is your final choice. It's very important choice. Look what I do. I talk while
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you're doing this. I You're making me think that I'm making my own decision. your decision. But, look what I do. I I keep talking Yes.
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and I'm noticing what you're doing. So, uh this is a very important choice, Marisa. Whatever you choose, Yes. I don't say whatever you choose from those two. I never chose I never talk about elimination or keeping or not keeping. I
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just say whatever you choose, it's going to be your choice and it's going to be it's going to be you're going to be you're going to see what happens. So, Yeah. just give me one of them. This is
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your choice. This is This is the one? Yeah. So, you Now, this is the first time I say so this is the one you chose at the end? Yes.
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And then I can drop it and casually say it was really a fair game of elimination. Everything was fair. You could have selected this one or this one, which is true. It's a lie.
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Yes. But, you're nodding because it sounds very It sounds true. Yes. And you were left with it. And what's crazy I mean, if you apply that to social media, education, apply it.
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everything. Some people apply it without knowing it's a trick. They're just thinking that this is Yeah. Given everything that you know about the power of of the mind, the ability to manipulate, I mean, you don't even need brainwashing. You can do
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brainwashing similar I do it live brainwashing in my show. It's through manipulation essentially. Given everything We I think I think we are we are being manipulated all the time all the time all day long.
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Uh from news to because news I think that news news stopped being truth. Yeah. It became their truth.
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Yeah, what they wanted us to hear. of like first of all you say something and then you deal with the consequences.
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Yes. So you say something. Yeah, you make a claim. make a claim. It doesn't matter. I I think that 10 years 20 years ago people will would destroy you on a bad claim. Now if you make a bad claim
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and you need to apologize because you made a mistake. Okay? You you just Uh and we apol- it doesn't matter anymore. Right. Well, some people apologize and the apology doesn't There's no remorse. They show no remorse. They just keep doing it again.
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And some people don't apologize but people do get away with constant making things up.
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like brands and stuff but but you know how certain me- media they say something and it's not true and they we catch the lie and they apologize in a little little box a few day- doesn't matter the impact was made.
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Given everything that you know about the power of the mind and manipulation out there, social media how do we live a more sane life?
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The answer is very simple and difficult. I remember us when we children we used to have encyclopedia to check the facts.
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Yeah. We used to see things the dictionary to to watch. Now when you search something you get different kinds of facts. Yeah.
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Um It's like do your own research and you don't know where you fall. Exactly.
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What research? Who is research? What do you read? Who's the source? Right. But luckily there's history and there's math and there's physics and there's I'm sorry. This is uh there are physics. Yeah. Um I would say that people who study math
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seem to be more discerning and grounded in reality. Because they know there are rules for things.
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You know, when when I went with my wife to uh the big uh museum in Cairo and we saw a stone 3,500 years ago. It's like reading in like ancient Egyptian and there's like a little sign and they said this is Ramses
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the second who conquered the whole la la and it says sons of Israel and it's 3,500 years ago and it says there. Yeah.
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This is this is a true This is hap- This is it it happened. Right. It was there.
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You know, I I go to my visual I go like I have this visual of Ramses the second conquering the whole world and meeting people sons of Israel and they called them sons of Israel How can you The enemies of
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Israel wrote about sons of Israel which Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. They destroyed them. They wanted to They did it. Yes. Well, they say every generation, you know.
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Right. There's a joke I say about every Jewish holiday, you know? So this is the concept. They try to destroy us, we survive, let's eat. Um that's [clears throat] the that's [laughter] the essence of every Jewish holiday, right? Yes. And and the legends are
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true. They people try to destroy us every generation and we survive. Yeah. Um and then we eat.
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[laughter] But but it's true. It's uh just check the facts. Yeah. Don't check it on Tik Tok. Check the the science and check the math and check the history.
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And check the reality of things. Even you if you're listening to us right now if you were a young man or woman just check the facts. Um don't check what this expert said. If if you see someone talking about something check who is
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this guy? Who Where is he from? Do your do your do your little research especially when it's something that might affect other people. Something important something about you know.
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Yeah, especially when it creates prejudice or judgment etc. Right. It's uh it's that's especially really hard. A lot of the mental manipulation that we're seeing is used to really divide us and and and lead to um the breakdown of
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of our societies. Yeah. Yes. I think so. Yeah. Well, Lior always fun and thanks for giving your secrets so generously.
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By the way something very important um when I guessed Tal Yes. I still don't know how you did that.
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That was about you know, 40 minutes ago. Um you know several Tals. I do.
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I don't know Tal but you were thinking about specific Tal. You were thinking about Tal Keidar.
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Okay. This is so crazy. [laughter] By the way, I hope she's watching this cuz I haven't seen her in a very long time. Tal Keidar this is the name? Yes. Tal Keidar if you're watching us right [laughter] now
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we are thinking about you. Me and Marissa are talking about you and I hope you are well and healthy.
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[laughter] You know, I'll finish by saying what I was I said Cut. I don't understand how he did this.
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No, before the cut before the cut. I say to people I think this is the essence. I think checking the truth fact check and be positive and optimistic. I say to people always at the end of my shows always
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think positive thoughts. Do you know why? Because you can never know who might be reading them.
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That's true. And I'll say you know, joy is the armor of God really. I agree. If there is a devil and I believe many people believe in it the devil would want us to feel despair and anger and sadness and fear and for
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those of us who believe in God we can't believe that our creator wants us to feel despair. And so I think that if you believe in God you remember that God wants us to experience happiness and joy. I agree. Um and so I choose
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happiness and joy over despair. I agree. All right. Cheers to that. Thank you.
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