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Hello, this is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English. I'm Neil. And I'm Pippa.
Explore the realities of living with debt in the UK, key vocabulary, and personal stories in this 6 Minute English episode by BBC Learning English.
Key Takeaways
- Debt is a widespread issue affecting many people in the UK, causing stress and financial strain.
- Key phrases like pay back, pay off, and clear debt all relate to repaying borrowed money.
- Living on the never-never refers to buying items through long-term small payments, often leading to prolonged debt.
- Making ends meet means having just enough money for basic expenses, but many struggle to do so.
- Support groups and resources are available to help those dealing with debt.
Summary
- Introduction to the topic of saving and spending money with hosts Neil and Pippa.
- Explanation of debt as money borrowed that must be repaid, usually to banks or credit companies.
- Statistics on UK debt, including daily contacts to the Citizens Advice Bureau for debt help.
- Interview excerpt with Jason, a young man struggling with debt and loans.
- Explanation of key phrases related to debt: pay back, pay off, clear debt.
- Insight into sociologist Ryan Davey's research on debt in a low-income community named Woldham.
- Discussion of common financial challenges such as being in arrears and living on the never-never.
- Clarification of vocabulary terms like making ends meet, arrears, never-never, and financial strain.
- Revealing the average British adult debt amount (£4,232) through credit cards, overdrafts, and loans.
- Encouragement to visit the BBC Learning English website for vocabulary lists, quizzes, and worksheets.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and personal money habits
- 00:48What is debt and its impact
- 01:27Jason's story and debt phrases
- 02:18Vocabulary and quiz introduction
- 02:39Research on debt in Woldham
- 03:12Debt as part of daily life and arrears
- 03:51Living on the never-never and financial strain
- 04:45Debt support and quiz answer
- 05:20Vocabulary recap and closing remarks
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Are you good at saving money, Neil? Or do you like to spend it? Well, actually, a bit of both.
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I like to spend money on nice things, but I also try to save, mainly because I've got children.
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How about you? Yeah, I'm the same. I like to save money, or I try to, for the future.
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But I also do spend it. I don't count every penny that I spend and save every single penny that I earn.
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Mmm. Well, whether you're a saver or a spender, being in debt is common in the UK.
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Debt refers to money a person has borrowed to buy something and which they have to pay back, usually to a bank, a credit card company, or another person.
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Many people avoid talking about debt, but it affects us all. In 2025, over 1,000 people contacted the UK Citizens Advice Bureau every single day of the year for help with their debt.
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And when debt gets out of control, it causes stress and worry. BBC Radio 4 programme Thinking Allowed interviewed one young man, Jason, about his debt.
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Whatever jobs there are aren't enough to provide for a family. Sometimes you need to take out loans.
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I've done it a few times, but you can't ever pay it back. You can't see a way out, other than winning the lottery or something.
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I'd like to think I could clear them all one day, even if it means, like, five years paying them off.
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Jason uses three phrases, pay back, pay off, and clear debt, all of which mean the same thing – to give back the money you've borrowed.
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In this episode, we'll hear more about living with debt by learning some useful new words and phrases.
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And remember, you'll find all the vocabulary used, plus a quiz and worksheet, on our website, bbclearningenglish.com.
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But first, I have a question for you, Pippa. According to debt support group The Money Charity, roughly how much is the average British adult in debt through credit cards, overdrafts and personal loans?
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Is it: a) £2,200, b) £4,200, or c) £6,200? Hmm. I'm not sure. I'll say £2,200.
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OK. Well, we will find out the answer later in the programme. Jason's story features in a new book by sociologist Ryan Davey.
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Ryan spent months living in a low-income housing estate, which he gave the fictional name Woldham.
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He talked with residents and listened to their money worries. Here, Ryan explains more to BBC Radio 4's Thinking Allowed: My approach was to let people know that I was interested in learning about their lives and how they were making ends meet,
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so I did some interviews with residents, and I paid attention to where debt came up in everyday conversations.
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For many people in Woldham, Jason included, debt was an ordinary feature of daily life.
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And beyond that, being in arrears – so, being behind with one or more monthly payment commitments – was part of daily life.
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The people of Woldham were making ends meet. To make ends meet means having just enough money to pay for basic living expenses like food, bills and rent.
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Ryan found that many residents were in arrears, a phrase meaning to still owe money that should have already been repaid.
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For most residents, debt was a normal part of daily life. With a regular income, debt can be managed, but for those who are unemployed or on low incomes, it can cause serious distress.
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Here, Ryan discusses how the residents he met felt about their debt with BBC Radio 4's Thinking Allowed: Jason actually fluctuated between wanting to clear all of his debts on the one hand, and on the other what he described as living on the never-never,
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and actually questioning the supposed moral obligation to pay his debts. Over the months that I knew him, the financial strain on him and his partner increased.
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They missed some of their bills. Their internet was disconnected. Jason was living on the never-never, an informal phrase for buying the things you need by making regular small payments over a long time.
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It's called the never-never because it seems the debt will never be repaid. Jason experienced financial strain – emotional stress caused by a lack of money to meet his basic needs or to repay his debt.
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Debt is a serious issue. It affects many people and there are support groups who can help if you need it.
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OK. Neil, what was the answer to your question? I asked what the average amount of debt a British adult has through credit cards, overdrafts and personal loans.
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I said it was around £2,200. I'm afraid that's not the right answer. In fact, it's £4,232. OK.
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Let's recap the vocabulary we've learned, starting with debt – money a person has borrowed and needs to give back.
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The phrases to pay back, to pay off, and to clear a debt all mean to give back money you have borrowed.
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If someone is making ends meet, they have just enough money to pay for basic living expenses.
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And if they are in arrears, they still owe money that should have been repaid already.
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If you buy something on the never-never, you buy it by making small regular payments over a long period.
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And finally, financial strain is emotional stress caused by a lack of money to meet your basic needs.
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Once again, our six minutes are up, but if you'd like to know how debt is spelled and all the other words from this episode, visit our website, bbclearningenglish.com, to find a full vocabulary list.
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See you again soon. But for now, it's goodbye. Bye!
Topics:debtfinancial literacyBBC Learning Englishmoney managementsaving moneyspending moneyfinancial strainarrearsnever-neverUK debt statistics
