Speaker A
Hi everyone, my name is Kendrick, and welcome to Ian A Female. Today I get to interview him. So, Tim, welcome.
Interview with ISTP Tim McKeever on personality typing, Jungian functions, and personal growth insights.
Key Takeaways
- Personality typing is a tool for self-improvement rather than a fixed label.
- ISTP functions can be misunderstood or reversed when compared to INFJ, highlighting the complexity of typology.
- Engaging with a community and experts deepens understanding of personality dynamics.
- Knowing one’s type aids in recognizing strengths and weaknesses for better personal and professional interactions.
- Personality traits exist on spectrums, such as extraversion-introversion, rather than strict categories.
What the video covers
- Tim McKeever discusses his official personality type as ISTP Male with Ti-Se cognitive stack and CP/S(B) animal type.
- He shares his journey from initially identifying as INFJ to understanding his true ISTP type through Jungian functions and MBTI.
- Tim emphasizes the importance of objective, functional understanding over feel-good or superficial typing.
- He explains the concept of double feminine play and double masculine sleep in his personality dynamics.
- The interview covers how knowing his type helps Tim improve weaknesses and better understand interpersonal interactions.
- Tim reflects on how his personality type influences his career, social behavior, and approach to challenges.
- He highlights ongoing learning and engagement with the personality community, including discussions with experts like Dave and Shan.
- The conversation touches on the fluidity of extraversion and introversion as a spectrum rather than a binary.
- Tim shares how his athletic background and analytical nature align with his ISTP traits.
- The interview includes practical examples of how Tim applies personality insights to personal growth and professional life.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Tim's Typing Journey
- 03:18Engagement with Personality Community
- 06:23Understanding Double Feminine and Function Stack
- 09:29Personality in Career and Social Contexts
- 12:42Debate on Extraversion and Introversion Spectrum
- 15:38Voiceover and Professional Mode Insights
- 18:52Personality Impact on Work Environment
- 24:29Visual Thinking and Sensory Processing
- 26:44Finance, Real Estate, and Problem Solving
- 30:48Emotional Processing and Interaction Styles
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Speaker A
result your animals well uh uh well I've actually been kind of a sleeper for a while so I got my type back in October of 18 so it's been a couple years since I've actually been typed so I started so
Speaker A
Hi, thanks. So, Tim, you just got your type back recently. What was your official typing result? Can you give us your typing result?
Speaker A
when I first found off like almost when they first launched it to the public to us so I've been involved with it for a long time I'm definitely a facebook lurker and you know I just consume up every week for for long they've been
Speaker A
Your animals? Well, uh, well, I've actually been kind of a sleeper for a while, so I got my type back in October of '18. So it's been a couple of years since I've actually been typed. So I started so...
Speaker A
and how did you feel when you got your officially your official typing back like almost two years ago yeah it makes sense make perfect sense so I've been following Jungian function and function type myers-briggs and such since I was
Speaker A
I think I saw something before with you where you had followed a lot of Dave's stuff on Myers-Briggs, originally MBTI stuff I did as well. So when I first saw him start to put him Jan puts more YouTube content back out again, that's
Speaker A
started doing all the op stuff so I still teach classes from ARS Briggs from time to time so originally I had typed out as an infj you know everyone seems to be so that never seemed to correlate very well I would always go
Speaker A
when I first found off, like almost when they first launched it to the public to us. So I've been involved with it for a long time. I'm definitely a Facebook lurker, and you know, I just consume up every week for how long they've been
Speaker A
very horrible very like okay feel good stuff this said or the other so I really wanted to find things that were a little bit more well objective so when I got my type back it was just like okay yeah
Speaker A
going. So, yeah, so double feminine T is E. Yeah, that's my type. Blast last, your is P, P, and what animal stock again? Oh, I'm sorry, that's a consume play sleep blast last. All right, and then, um, what did you think
Speaker A
was somewhere in the savior and I knew that because I am so analytical that T I was most likely in there as well so that was all guess isn't stuff I didn't really want to pin anything to it I
Speaker A
and how did you feel when you got your official typing back, like almost two years ago? Yeah, it makes sense. Makes perfect sense. So I've been following Jungian function and function type, Myers-Briggs, and such since I was
Speaker A
to consume that and kind of still have back and forth since Dave and Shan and discuss things so I do like a six-week recurring email conversation with them so I just stay up to get ate see how they're doing and so yeah I I love it
Speaker A
18 when I first kind of got very into like personal growth stuff. So I'm constantly consuming different literature and things to kind of push the bounds for people stuff. So I'm actually a, I was actually an MBTI practitioner before I
Speaker A
think even though you type ourselves an infj long time ago the functions are still the same as the ISTP just different one right so so in a way reversed yeah in a way you kind of still saw your functions it was yeah you know
Speaker A
started doing all the OP stuff. So I still teach classes from ARS Briggs from time to time. So originally I had typed out as an INFJ. You know, everyone seems to be, so that never seemed to correlate very well. I would always go
Speaker A
just like okay I could see how people could get it in first and then it wasn't until I actually got typed as an ITP where I had the same realization I'm just like oh hey oh look it's upside
Speaker A
through and do it, and it made sense. But then as I read it, go through it more, more than more classes, I talked more, the further I got into it, it's just like, okay, MBTI has a bad habit of becoming
Speaker A
yourself upside down yeah yeah yeah you said that you got into myers-briggs long time ago since you were 18 is that because you were an IP like you know I I'd be sent to have a focus on self and you know like building
Speaker A
very horrible, very like okay feel-good stuff, this said or the other. So I really wanted to find things that were a little bit more well objective. So when I got my type back, it was just like, okay, yeah,
Speaker A
but that's what's coming out now but it's like you know how do i how do I get better how do I when I mess something up how do i improve you know if I hurt somebody how can I be more kind if I'm
Speaker A
this makes way more sense than then being an INFJ. It's like me going through, it's just like, okay, you know, I know having an athletic background, kind of how I look and what habits are a new SC
Speaker A
improve upon yourself constantly so finding things like that just just came natural I guess I didn't really put much thought into it it just you know read and grow and learn and yeah speaking of a tribe you have play as your Savior
Speaker A
was somewhere in the savior, and I knew that because I am so analytical that T I was most likely in there as well. So that was all guess isn't stuff. I didn't really want to pin anything to it. I
Speaker A
because you you know we can debate and discuss the validity of interest as extraversion and it being more of a slider switch versus like hey you're an extrovert or an introvert but of course I get the thing all the time we've got
Speaker A
didn't feel like I was winning any sort of prizes by guessing my type beforehand. So when it came back, is that function stack, especially the dump, the double feminine, the double feminine made a lot of sense. So that's just been interesting
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not connected in with my moral beliefs biological beliefs it is very much a channeling some sort of a gesture type thing I'm joking I'm playing I'm you know I'm having fun with people I'm not trying to keep it serious and where it
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to consume that and kind of still have back and forth since Dave and Shan and discuss things. So I do like a six-week recurring email conversation with them, so I just stay up to date, see how they're doing, and so yeah, I love it.
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somebody then I can I start to get really worked up so that's something that I had identified and seen through you know how how I use my play is like this joking have fun you know make everyone feel good type thing and as
Speaker A
You know, that's it helps me knowing my type now helps me kind of pare down and really highlight where a lot of those weaknesses are, which is which I love. So I get to attack those pretty regularly. I
Speaker A
double feminine right and it's also it's also SF so yeah love a swing and you go to sleep then it's a double masculine double mass sleep right actually both of us we both have the double feminine play and we both have double masculine sleep
Speaker A
think even though you typed yourself as an INFJ a long time ago, the functions are still the same as the ISTP, just different one, right? So, so in a way reversed? Yeah, in a way you kind of still saw your functions. It was, yeah, you know,
Speaker A
there a lot so sometimes it's jarring when I get pulled out of that space when people want me to be playing like that and it can be you know I can be very if I'm not because if we're interacting
Speaker A
and in an order that you didn't expect, I guess. Yeah, so it's a, you know, with it being a self-assessment for MBTI, I did laugh at it being like, okay, hey, once I started following OP's content, I was
Speaker A
actually wear that with purpose for that to actually come out so if someone is trying to mess with me or joke with me or you know debate with me or whatever when I'm in that that that masculine sleep mode I can be very punchy and
Speaker A
just like, okay, I could see how people could get it in first, and then it wasn't until I actually got typed as an ITP where I had the same realization. I'm just like, oh hey, oh look, it's upside
Speaker A
person and yeah it's interesting kind of like that I guess that makes sense what about the actual physical sleep like if people wiki I'll be really pissed off that no I don't have any issues with with wake and not like I
Speaker A
down, what do you know, like type yourself upside down almost like. Yeah, yeah, in MBTI days, like they're safer control and then tribal of self, but your self up tribe and you're safer ghetto, right? So it was almost like you type
Speaker A
it's and I don't know if maybe it's the career has pulled me against it or not but I mean a bunch of guys living in a fire station we're playing pranks on each other at 3:00 4:00 in the morning sometimes so
Speaker A
yourself upside down. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you said that you got into Myers-Briggs a long time ago since you were 18. Is that because you were an IP, like you know, I'd be sent to have a focus on self and, you know, like building
Speaker A
because it's like when I'm consuming things doesn't feel like I'm consuming things until someone else tells me you're consuming a lot and I'm like [ __ ] you talking about it's like well you just you burn through all these books
Speaker A
themselves up? I would say so. That I've always been interested in, you know, what do I want to do with my life? How do I become the most efficient human being that I possibly can? That's always been just maybe not those words exactly,
Speaker A
a game while I'm analyzing this you know political talk or economic talk or whatever and just kind of consuming so it's it's never off and I don't ever want it to be off except for when I'm like hey time to be actionable and get
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but that's what's coming out now. But it's like, you know, how do I, how do I get better? How do I, when I mess something up, how do I improve? You know, if I hurt somebody, how can I be more kind? If I'm
Speaker A
yeah no I mean that that's that means you had to blast it you know when you do that so like do you feel like you're taking some time to practice your blasts over the years and it's not at that
Speaker A
you know, if I fail a problem, how can I be better at, you know, flipping that Rubik's cube faster, whatever the concept's gonna be? It's just always been to me, why would you not do that as a person? Like why would you not try to
Speaker A
ever really have you know well when I was really young I was very shy and it took me kind of once I started going down the the fire department path and I went through that Academy and thing it
Speaker A
improve upon yourself constantly? So finding things like that just came natural, I guess. I didn't really put much thought into it. It just, you know, read and grow and learn. And yeah, speaking of a tribe, you have play as your savior,
Speaker A
presentations you have to give classes and I had an objective there so I didn't think about the presentation or giving of classes to people until it was just something I was doing all the time and then you get into the department and as
Speaker A
actually sewn. Would you say that unlike a lot of other IPs out there, you might have the tribe might not be your biggest problem? Would you say that or would you think so? No, it's an interesting dynamic, right?
Speaker A
and then I give that like a cohesive middle and then as long as I'm aware of being just being kind to people as they're learning and constantly like I'm constantly just saying like does that make sense does that I make does that
Speaker A
Because you, you know, we can debate and discuss the validity of interest as extraversion and it being more of a slider switch versus like, hey, you're an extrovert or an introvert. But of course, I get the thing all the time, we've got
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is very much analyzing and being specific about how I want to advance my identity my career choices all those things so when it comes to making decisions of the most efficient way to move forward for me that's when our
Speaker A
oh, you're not an introvert, you're a very extroverted and yadda yadda. It's just like, well no, because that consume masculine T I in my head, that's where I'm at all day. And most of the time when I'm playing with the tribe, it's not I'm
Speaker A
I'm doing my notes and I'm organizing stuff and then the days over and I haven't done actually done anything all I've done is consumed I haven't done anything because that's you know the blast part of that I feel is more
Speaker A
not connected in with my moral beliefs, biological beliefs. It is very much a channeling some sort of a gesture type thing. I'm joking, I'm playing, I'm, you know, I'm having fun with people. I'm not trying to keep it serious. And where it
Speaker A
to get feedback well blast is a one-way one-way street right yeah Blas is also NF you know I don't like like have you blasted any NF stuff like not I I start to with kind of what we talked about
Speaker A
really comes out with having that lead play is as soon as someone doesn't take my joke and they make me be serious with my T I, I then that my feminine demon Fe, if it's if I can't agree with
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I'm learning and it gets can get very kind of woowoo with some of the stuff and I'm just like okay but you know what's the the process here so I think about how I would go about teaching that
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somebody, then I can, I start to get really worked up. So that's something that I had identified and seen through, you know, how, how I use my play is like this joking, have fun, you know, make everyone feel good type thing. And as
Speaker A
probably a lack of of that that that blatt NF blast piece so something that I'm constantly analyzing and seeing what I can pull from to to not analyze it so much and just be emotional about it so have you any like ENFJ saw Ryan a
Speaker A
soon as it goes negative, I get in a bad mood. I can rage sometimes, I get really sad sometimes. Like it's big, big swings when the feminine Fe wants to, you know, have it. Makes sense because your play's
Speaker A
kind of analyze all day and go through and you know it when I consume all this stuff in with things like that when I'm trying to find examples to go from I laugh cuz it's like am i learning
Speaker A
double feminine, right? And it's also, it's also SF. So yeah, love a swing. And you go to sleep, then it's a double masculine, double mass sleep, right? Actually, both of us, we both have the double feminine play and we both have double masculine sleep,
Speaker A
heard a single anything at all so it's yeah SP and yeah so it's a as soon as we start having an interview things like this I immediately go into this mode so it's just like like professionally for voiceover stuff it's like I can get to
Speaker A
right? So yep, in common. But so for you, when you go to your double masculine sleep swaying, what's that like? Gladiatorial? It's just immediately very stoic, very, I feel like I exist. I mean, obviously with lead masculine T I, I exist
Speaker A
let's talk about your demons then yeah right but it's not exactly like the like the weird thing it's it's it's part of your Savior - so even though it's for it so but it's double but it's feminine so
Speaker A
there a lot. So sometimes it's jarring when I get pulled out of that space when people want me to be playing like that, and it can be, you know, I can be very, if I'm not because if we're interacting
Speaker A
eyepiece right so tribe hate so in general I think I conduct myself pretty pretty well so with the Effie being last for me I still don't see it as a lack of it I'm pretty personable again but it
Speaker A
right now, right, if I'm channeling that play, I'm very smiley, I'm very warm and very loving. And then, but if someone catches me where I don't, I'm not wearing that mask, so I have to put that on. I have to
Speaker A
know I disagree with somebody and I get very emotional about it and you know I can lose myself in it and I stay away from that a lot because it's it's it's a fear it's it's that sleeping dragon I have in my consciousness that's
Speaker A
actually wear that with purpose for that to actually come out. So if someone is trying to mess with me or joke with me or, you know, debate with me or whatever, when I'm in that, that, that masculine sleep mode, I can be very punchy and
Speaker A
when it comes to especially with it being feminine to move and flow with the tribe is super easy and I like doing that um especially in the fire department you got you have a lot of masculine expertise eiders and it's to
Speaker A
short and stoic, and you know, it's if I'm not aware of it, then, you know, I'll end up, you know, pulling the IP's old card. So very interesting to see, especially when it happens. I can analyze myself and the
Speaker A
guess you I normally would so you know the masculine de comes in and you know they're very you know we got to do this you're not doing this they're doing that and I can I have the wherewithal to be
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person and yeah, it's interesting kind of lik...
Speaker A
play me to automatically be forced into that role has helped me build that muscle more I think they said that the IPE JS tend to get along really well though so what's your experience been like working with a lot of you know save
Speaker A
your masculine bees at work you know it's you know it's interesting because it's when you start out it's very it can feel like it's dog-eat-dog it really isn't it's just a bunch of people cooped up in a room dealing with a lot of
Speaker A
high-stress stuff and you know they're gonna vent with their saviors because that's how you know that's how they want to interact with things so you got to learn that they they're going to punch they're going to you know they're going
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to come at you and do little jabs or what they don't mean anything by it whatever but to go like to flow do that that feminine Fe and just like when they make a jab at you just receive you know
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enlarge and return like okay hey you're gonna make a jab oh you're small you you you know you're not as buff or big as me and it's just like oh yeah you're right but hey you know I can do back flips you
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can throw me up on the building I can grab somebody whatever you just play you got to play with it right again it's kind of playing there but you can't let it my first like two or three years I
Speaker A
took everything like super personally in the fire department my my dad I have a lot of family members in the fire department my dad is a chief on the department my uncle is a captain on the department my cousin works in across
Speaker A
the valley my my second cousin works in the valley as well so I would get a lot of backhand comments of you know like oh you're Chiefs kid you you know you didn't earn to be here and you know and
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I would take it you know I would take a person he'll be like what [ __ ] like I'm over here working my ass off and doing all this stuff and it took a while for me to actually be like okay people are
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just gonna say that and it's fine and you know some people don't even care and some people think that that's real that that somehow what I'm doing is you know there's some nepotism involved to it or something right so getting to a place
Speaker A
where I'm calm with that has been very nice it feels a lot better just be like yeah whatever you know they're gonna say this we're gonna say that you just kind of got numb to it because you kept
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getting it you're like okay whatever yeah whatever yeah cuz I had a you know I had plenty of people who were percent on my side who who actually were a part of my journey all my mentors and who
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where I earned my place and I have earned my place and I'm not everything that the other people are saying is just because they're bored and they want to gossip or you know they don't think anything like that that hurts anybody
Speaker A
they're just having a discussion well that's you know how it is or how it isn't whatever you know people have their opinions they do their thing and I know I have my aggressive opinions I try not to push it on people I let you do
Speaker A
whatever the hell you want to do you let me do what I want to do if you want to try to encroach on me then whatever like as long as you're not offending me my family my friends and say whatever you
Speaker A
want let's talk about you being a double observer ten no no bowls or means you are good at gathering and then organizing whenever you're gathered so what's what's what's your process like when when you get in a double observer mode so constantly
Speaker A
gathering for sure with the sensory I'm becoming more and more as I am becoming quote-unquote more efficient with kind of my life just pairing everything down everything up I just spent the last year just really organizing my house and just
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starting to just tap into that that Ni and just keep narrowing down keep narrowing down keep narrowing down because I would just freakin cokehead se everything just [ __ ] gather gather gather I get home my room is a mess
Speaker A
again as I how the hell did this happen and I wouldn't want to do anything I just want to gather I wouldn't want to actually be productive towards stuff because everything's just a mess it's like oh I'll gather stuff up something
Speaker A
up to solve this problem well that's not gonna work I got to start paring down so in the past like year I started like getting really involved with organizing like notepads notebooks I have two big whiteboards that I do and I make myself
Speaker A
go to every single day I make my list I try and be very efficient with crossing all those lists off to keep myself from just becoming this gathering monster so I kind of going back and forth and really strengthening the strengthening
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that and I even know it's in that middle balance it's still being a demon is something that I can see and am aware of and it's a that Achilles heel that I've been able to kind of pinpoint and go
Speaker A
after some kind of pain that area say that again yeah yeah still working on it for sure like I mean it's as soon as I kind of let myself slip it's you know boo boo do whatever never even
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thought about that because like you know I'm an EP right so I'm a gathering monster also so yeah like I look at my to-do list and it just keeps getting longer and longer right but like what you said it's like I feel like you
Speaker A
should be crossing off more than what you're adding the tip for sure forever for everyone I think huh yeah you know it got to a point where and I read a lot but I don't read like two books a day or something crazy but it
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got to a point where it's just like I was getting Amazon packages for new books that I didn't even remember ordering and it's just like what am i doing so it's just like I gotta stop this process whatever so not their
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feminine yet work done cuz like you're gathering something but it's feminine so you forgot about it Oh 100% yeah and when it comes to the observer function are observer like that oh my goodness like my dad makes fun of me all the time
Speaker A
because it's like as I'm explaining things there's um and ozb last last whatever but it's just like yeah you know this that or that and then I always say blah blah blah blah blah because the details the sensory doesn't really
Speaker A
matter yes I'm gathering it in but I'm gathering it in and then I'm you know it's it's hey I got a 24 pack of different paint colors okay okay I don't remember what colors though they are but now I can start actually painting my ni
Speaker A
picture with those things okay I don't know remember what colors I used here it doesn't matter but as long as my pictures there then I can pursue that so it's interesting in that sense of just hey everything that I gather I can never
Speaker A
I can never remember the details unless I'm like actively saying like hey if I need to teach to someone to someone I need to know this so then I'll take the time to actually remember those details but if it's just willy-nilly regular
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today it's just like no I can do what I do because I gathered the the sensory but then I brought it into the picture and so I don't remember what the sensory is because it's a picture now if that
Speaker A
makes sense but well let's go through the picture then like you have masculine ni right so what's your experience like with that master and I like it's like do you have a set path into the future that you kind of are looking towards I mean
Speaker A
obviously yeah a voice actor right mm-hmm yeah so my regimen of classes that I do I take one or two classes a month here locally in the Vegas Valley and then I always try and drive out to LA to work
Speaker A
with some of my perform acting coaches and some of those other folks but all of that is laid out in my schedule already and to be ahead of time but as far as like the fire department next February
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I'll have my I will have completed my seventh year so I'll be able to buy three to then retire at ten once that's done then I'll sell the house move out stay with my parents like two three months save up some cash go to LA once
Speaker A
I'm in LA then I my agents and start that process there well with all the while I'm still doing recording and auditions and such from my home studio continuing on my commercial career why do start the the video game
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and the motion capture and although those classes and courses so all of that is within the next year or two and then once that's there then it's just hey grind for the next three to five years get auditions keep my brand up keep my
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website so it's like everything is very it's constantly like here is my railroad track and that is the direction I'm going so man that's such a good example of like double observer right there it's like this is what I'm gonna do I'm gonna
Speaker A
grind it up for X amount of years and I'm just gonna do it and I'm like oh you know like I mean I mean four year doesn't seem like a big deal right but a lot of people are a piece what they oh
Speaker A
my god grinding for X amount of years sounds horrible right yeah it's like it's the the plan is there so that's good so now it's just like making making myself accountable to being actionable with it is is my fear and the biggest
Speaker A
thing for it yeah you're masculine P I so have you ever slapped someone we didn't mess with API like let's say they're saying saying something it's very logical and you know it doesn't make sense and you just like um clutch
Speaker A
them without that Cynthia yeah I did a lot when I was younger I I seem to have pulled off of it more and this is the thing I'm interested in how exactly this this process works because being the double
Speaker A
feminist EP that Effie being a demon I've always been you know I'm always very kind I've always been very kind but it's it's not that it feels fake but it's like hey you know you have emotions you have things that you care about and
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don't care about so my logic for me is mine it's not yours so it's not my place to argue with you most the time unless someone begins to tread on again my identity that's the only time I wake up
Speaker A
and actually by back outside of that I want to take care of people I want people to feel comfortable because I expect the same way for me so when people start to treat me bad then I'll start coming out then
Speaker A
I'll turn into hey you know slap slap this is wrong this is wrong you're wrong this is angry this is blah blah blah so it does come out from time to time um but I found as I've gotten
Speaker A
older I've been able to put a leash on it so I can walk around with it but it's not gonna get out and actually tack people yeah so it's not um not that it probably doesn't happen I'm sure that
Speaker A
there's still some times that you know I'm not aware that it's coming out as hard as it is but as I've gotten older and as I've again this personal growth thing and just being aware been up helps a lot with with just awareness in
Speaker A
general feel like I have a better handle on it and I used to so well you're definitely a single decider because you were talking about pretty hard just now yeah for sure right tell me something it means you're really working at it so
Speaker A
that's yeah yeah and least I'm aware of it and working towards something so let's talk about the double feminine stuff so sure they said it means you're a tester and you're visual so would you say you're quite visual and you like to
Speaker A
try different stuff uh-huh yeah so it's like the the testers one is interesting because I am very visual everything I do is like watching a ass's interview the 3d scanned the the like the blueprint that happens in my head all the time or
Speaker A
images or how I'm going to do it's constantly I I don't see things you know as a feminine se if it's a visual thing or if it's a lack of detail thing like whichever one it it sits on I lean at
Speaker A
that visual piece very very heavily I don't see words or letters in my head or anything like I don't understand that concept it's all pictures and it's very it's not so much like a pig it's like it's a 3d model of rendering I can walk
Speaker A
through it I can fly above it I can look I can take different angles of it I can solve it in different directions with that you know I don't know like everything is very visual I understand things through visual concepts and so
Speaker A
sometimes if I'm not if I haven't prepped to explain that or teach that that somebody is very difficult because I understand it it's my thing like I can see it and be actionable on it immediately because I can see the
Speaker A
scenario I can I'm a part of the the theatre of the theater of the mind for that piece but yeah go ahead sorry well you see the image but zooming in to define detail is the problem then yeah
Speaker A
it doesn't there is no you know I can see the the the detail of the the picture that I see I can walk amongst it and look at it but I don't have I'm just looking at it I'm not like it's not
Speaker A
there's no detail of you know there's no labels on it there's nothing saying like this is this and this is that and this isn't that it's just a blank picture or 3d model or whatever usually it's stop-motion so there's nothing there and
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it's just all moving slight you know slightly or whatever so what about that what about the tester stuff so you know I I know is that people who are testers they love like there's this YouTube channel that I like to watch this guy
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who likes to eat like a Maury I don't know you see that yeah I've seen it III know of it I I don't personally watch it a ton but I've seen it from time time different friends at work show me but go
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ahead yeah so I was watching this one Emery YouTube channel thinks he's name was Steve Emery or something and this guy I think he double feminine and he's just like eating food from like the 1900s like you know like you know World
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War 1 ration like I think I shouldn't be eating this because I know I don't know if this looks good smells kind of rancid and it'll eat it anyways right it's like cry I must laughing my ass off
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right and it's like it's like oh this rash is from the 1900 and then I'm gonna go eat it I'm like oh my god no no I'm like is this what a pure fun what a tester looks like
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you know I and this is where I have some difficulties with it um I will try any food like I'm very willing to go out I don't tend to like a lot of stuff though I'll eat anything but I have a very and
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I don't know if it's like I don't know what it ties into or you know what's subjective peace this is for me but I get made fun of because people say I'm picky and I don't eat certain food or
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whatever I just know what I like first of all but I'll try anything anytime anyone cooks anything I'll eat it and then it's maybe a little ti comes out here but II didn't mean I got as gross I
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will try it but yeah yeah now my thing like you you got you feel consumed that you yeah but I will say like the tester piece I love different hobbies I'm constantly looking for different hobbies I just got
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a motorcycle like two days ago been driving that thing around like crazy you know cut of kayaking hiking I got into voiceover because I wanted to try new stuff I started doing some theater stuff I started doing some a circumstellar is
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so so I don't know if that's the piece of the tester or not that's a good idea that's a good point too because I've noticed people with who are testers or yeah there are double feminine or feminine masculine mm-hmm try different
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activities too like yeah you know like if it's cooking they like to try different recipes if it's yeah the neck tivities like you know like you said rock climbing kayaking you want try every single different activities and I'm like what I don't even want to do
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any of that so it sounds whole it sounds awful right but lady like but I I know but from what I've seen the testers love that stuff yeah that's that's very interesting yeah and it's like you know me my buddy who I have a high definitely
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um excuse me definitely save your se as well and henan II just constant like new games new random games new new video game genres or what I work constantly just trying and playing a bunch of different stuff and seeing what we like
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and what we don't like and it's a you know it's a madhouse with us just gathering all this good all different activities and stuff so now if that ties into being a tester then hell yeah like that's I do that all day long
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and again like pairing things down now kind of getting used to that it's the same thing with just physical small objects but also hobbies like hey find like two or three I keep telling myself finally two or three that you really
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love and and concentrate on those because I just you know try getting into instruments right learning piano try learning violin try doing all this stuff and it's like it just goes away on to the next thing on to the next thing to
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achieve mastery than if you're just trying so many different things out yeah yeah so it's like I'm fine with the most everything I touch I'm pretty good at but I always hit like a glass ceiling at like a 70 75 percent mastery of it so
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it's like and then I go to the next thing because I don't have the persistence to actually break through that ceiling which is my big struggle and my goal with voiceover with especially with the acting piece of it
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is like I'm trying real hard to narrow this down and make this my career and develop this skill so yeah that's a good that's a good point with a glass ceiling thing because like I think everyone can if you if you practice enough can get to
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a certain level but then to bring a glass ceiling that's that's gonna take a lot of grinding and yeah yep boring boring hell yeah yeah I'm your blast lasso that means you are an energy dominant person yeah about being an
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energy dominant person you do have play you expend more energy but then you you know when it you've gotten to you've gone too far you need to start conserving or when this interview is done I will refuse to talk to anyone one
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else all day it's just how it will be I love this I'm having like a great interaction stuff like that but this is my inner energy reserve as soon as this is up I'm not talking to anybody else because it's now
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it's it's self introverted me time right and so when I go out and I have fun and I kind of mentioned to it earlier where people go you're super extroverted I was like yeah I'm super extroverted for like
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an hour or two and then I'm notorious for going to parties having fun everyone's doing this side of the other and then I will just leave the party and I will go outside I'll like climb a wall I'll lay on my back and just kind of
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look up at the sky and be by myself and I'll do that for like 20 it's recharge you go back in so one of the balanced things I've had at work because for the fire department you were there for 48 hours
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you're the my station we have 15 guys there I'm at the on the technical rescue station so we have a lot of extra apparatuses so we do swift water rescue we do high and low angle rappelling we do find space
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hazmat so we have a lot of different disciplines that we have to go through but because that we have a lot of people so I have to titrate my day my plan is usually go in check out my rigs I say hi
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to everyone hang out for like an hour and then I go to my room for like two hours because if I burn my energy early in the morning like that by the afternoon I'll be angry I'll be grumpy
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I'll start to argue with people all the stuff so I have to stay away and I have I have to very heavy conspiratorial folks who I work with who are very into conspiracies and stuff and it's I oh man
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yeah I I just wanna I just want to argue with them all day but that took me like two years to get over that to where it's just like all right I'm just gonna joke with you guys now or you know I'll
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listen but I Jase even can sometimes they reveal to you like the type official typing of people that in their in their list of archives right yeah so I was watching one of the videos of the people that they had in their list I
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don't know if you know Robert Kiyosaki the Rich Dad Poor Dad yep I just watched video yesterday he's an IJ right like an INTJ uh-huh and the first thing he says in the video was like it's the corona
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virus even real it's like I think yeah I've gotten really into financing and real estate and stuff over the past couple years and I read his book like a year or two ago and I loved it and then
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I watched an interview over and I went goddammit this guy's a [ __ ] [ __ ] but he that my 2ij guys at work loved him they talk about him all the time and it's just like holy crap it's like even even
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if it was fake or whatever it's like the purpose is that it's serving is not it there's no puppet master there's no one here it's everyone in each department is just doing the best they can they're being dumb or they're being
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smart and then it's just a cobweb of whatever and we're gonna burn visible patterns you think you're saying probably aren't there and it's like whatever I could go on around this all day ya know but it is crazy man like how
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do you not see that this is real like her advice is not fake like it's like what what I heard that it was just like are you [ __ ] kidding me well it's like the the guy I work with
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he's so bad he keeps saying do you know anybody that has coronavirus to you and I'm like Greg three people on our fire department have run calls on Corona guy it's here it's real well I haven't I haven't seen him in person
Speaker A
it's like you don't need you can trust other people I guarantee you yeah it's it's funny but then I'm pretty sure when it comes to people and self though they're pre balanced though they're like oh yeah yeah that's yeah all the time
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yeah data yeah they're and that's definitely one of the things I watch with them that I'm just like they're just so willy-nilly about yeah that's fine whatever you know [ __ ] you [ __ ] e you know [ __ ] me whatever yeah yes what
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the hell is happening look you're just not you're just batshit crazy yeah no yeah it's funny it's just no man but yeah it's a it's a it's wild it's funny it's funny all right man we're gonna wrap up the interview pretty
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soon I didn't cover everything already I can't think of anything that we haven't covered yet but I think you're doing a really good job actually with practicing your your f your f e I think I think the area that you would need to work on the
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most if I were to say something from just watching you during this interview was maybe you the one thing you've never used an ax it's like it's again it's almost like your blind spot right now is NF but it's it even seems like you're
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pretty preempted with the tripe stuff like you'll you'll do nice things show kindness to people and in return you know they'll show kindness back to you or pretty well so you're kind of preempted with that so it seems like
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your biggest but from what I can see is n F and blast what do you think you can do to to practice that in the future to get better at it and you know get better at that the more NF side of things that's
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you know it's it's hard because it's like you know I immediately want to when you ask that question it's just like mmm how you know how am I gonna solve this Rubik's Cube what's my next chess move here what's my you know how do I solve
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this and then it's just like you stop and kind of look up and go well that's not how you do NF at all so that's the great question now it's just like okay how do i tap into that more so as I for
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me as I pursued kind of this voiceover career I run into more and more people who are Savior and f who are teaching classes like this who you know acting in general is of pure form you know empathizing with your character
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with your scene partner and things like that so exposing myself to that environment and trying to just you know accept and really just bring that to heart as best as possible I think is going to help me just in the long run as
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I passively kind of absorb that and just kind of allow myself to really just become a part of it so that's at least something that I'm pushing towards to do there so yeah that's so one of the big things
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with NF is that a lot of n of people like to talk about energy and vibrations and yeah this is a negative vibe but this toxic like do you ever can you feel that kind of stuff like I do yeah I'm
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very um like I said that Fe I'm very aware of it but to to explain it in in in that way it's it's a it's a it's a feeling it's you know it's in it's in my heart when I watch people interact that
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that feminine Fe like when people are pushing the boundaries of too much it's like I'll often be a wedge and come in and and you know change your subject or the other or when I'm having conversations with people one of the
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things like especially like at parties if if people because I used to be very shy and I can be at times still excuse me I kind of look for the people who look like they they don't know a lot of
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people or they don't you know they're they're uncomfortable in the party and I try to be there warm with them and I try it you know hey you know trying to interact with them and maybe that's a little bit more play
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but I try and sit with them and I try and vibe with them and I try to just get them so that they don't feel uncomfortable anymore and so that they can they can just you know not feel like
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they're in a hostile environment or feel like they're you know not hurt or not interacting or something or you know anything like that where I just I want them to feel at home if whatever environment that we're in okay but that
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sounds like play-doh so I tell them I guess like NF blasts is definitely like a blind spot so I know the next target right so that's Tori yeah yeah yeah yeah but you need to blast it though it has
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me applied it cannot be like like a plate it has to be a blast you know like an energy like let's say you go up to someone tell them you know the the vibe of this party is very toxic or to buy
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for this party is really enlightening and very like enriching like I feel like being with like-minded people these group of like like I don't know something like that sure yeah last question for you is we have completely different functions they
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have any questions about functions that you don't have because I have the complete opposite function if you have any my PE and si is there anything about those functions that you would want to you know something that's always
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interesting is the TI versus the FI the di in general for me for that TI like when it comes to what's a good example here like a like fighting games I play a lot of fighting games I never want to
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pick like the the top three the most efficient people I always want to have something that's like more of my thing like you know this this guy's like the second worst fighter in the game but he's got really cool aesthetics so I
Speaker A
want to play him right so I I do that all the time and so now I get confused it's like this F I do that same thing is that a TI thing like how do you feel about your feelings towards like what
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you want to play or what you want to do like what what or you know or what you want to explore or talk to you or you know etc uh I think there's a big difference between Fi and ti I mean kind
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of what you said it's kind of like it's like a self-awareness they what you do sure but I think with fi it's more like constructing we're deconstructing emotions so for example like let's say someone offends me at work right
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like someone comes to me and I get offended right then for me with fi I can kind of retreat back and be like why did I feel angry when this person said this to me and then I would kind of like go
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back like oh okay I felt angry because I was insecure about this kind of stuff and as a defense mechanism I said this back to this person in a way to protect myself so in the future what I could do
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it's that to change my behavior is that I should not be angry instead of take constructive criticism and accept it instead of getting angry about it so it's like it's kind of like analyzing that what I felt in like kind of chores
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or going back and like see what appropriate behavior responses like with athletes it's kind of quicker like you can kind of you know say that propria tres Ponce right away shorter when fi you have to kind of retreat back think
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about it first before you can say it so in a way it's it's bad and good it's bad because like when it's like when you're in the present moment and you're having interaction with someone or a group of
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people the appropriate emotion doesn't come out right away like you think about it first okay I see you're like you're trying to handle a ball with like gloves on you're like yeah I think I did this I mean like Dave right he has like you
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know he says like if he puts Fi and P together you can kind of use Fe and kind of like what it is it's kind of like okay I don't feel what the room is feeling right now like I know everyone's
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feeling like high energy but I don't feel that way mm-hmm but how can I make myself feel that way so don't go inside first pump yourself up somehow and and then somehow you can kind of go with the flow because
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you're not part of the flow with that fi you're we're disconnected from it but all that it's good sometimes because when everyone's freaking out right you're not freaking out you're like oh okay whatever disconnected but at the same time it's bad because when
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everyone's feeling the same feeling that you you kind of want to you know join the party but you can't you know because it's yeah yeah yeah why and that's the piece that the only piece that I would that I would argue on
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my end of having that Fe load and having that as a part of nf2 see at least I'm hitting or pursuing half of NF so for it to be a blind spot it's it's a it's at least a spot like that I'm in that I
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think I am exercising but to that just to hear that fi side of things it's just like really like that's it's just like not even there you have to like start crank this frickin engine to get it started and going where it's just like
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it's you know it's constantly going for me at least well that's that's interesting I think you understand it enough I think talking about popping up is the problem you know what it'd be short or short the the yeah like I said
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it's like a two-part - Lego piece and it's like I got one of them going at least I just got to connect them in and actually make NF as a actually as an actual ingredient or end product take
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the two ingredients and bring them together yeah exactly you got it man alright dude thanks for the interview that was that was great yeah hey Kendrick I appreciate it man this is awesome that you do this these whole series so I think everyone
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really appreciates it and is able to kind of just watch that and just kind of oh cool that's what that person looks like or interacts like or does this or does that so you know you're doing good stuff man we I think a lot of people
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appreciate it so yeah thanks dude yeah all right I'm gonna quit now so bye everyone cool take care thank you guys on
Topics:ISTPMyers-BriggsJungian functionspersonality typingTi-SeCP/S(B)double femininedouble masculinepersonal growthMBTI practitioner
