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Hi Chef, thank you for doing this. Welcome all the way from Canada to Australia and vice versa.
A deep conversation with Shiv Sengupta on addiction to life messages, spirituality, culture, and creativity from his book Advaitaholics Anonymous.
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Key Takeaways
- Addiction to any message, spiritual or otherwise, can limit authentic living.
- Cultural and philosophical consensus often prevents critical questioning of beliefs.
- Creativity and presence are essential to writing one's own life script rather than following pre-made ones.
- Human survival instincts shape social behavior and cultural adherence.
- Spiritual awakening can sometimes conflict with societal survival mechanisms.
What the video covers
- Shiv Sengupta discusses how people get addicted to various life messages, whether consumerist or spiritual.
- The book title 'Advaitaholics Anonymous' reflects the addictive nature of following spiritual or philosophical scripts.
- Addiction to messages can reformat how people view life, often limiting genuine creativity and spontaneity.
- Philosophies and cultural messages are often repeated without question, creating a collective tunnel vision.
- True seekers must look beyond cultural comforts to question the fundamental assumptions of these messages.
- Human beings are biologically programmed to seek group belonging and survival, influencing cultural adherence.
- Creativity and authenticity require presence and openness, qualities often lost as people conform to scripts.
- Sengupta highlights the complexity of social hierarchies and the inevitability of power structures in groups.
- The conversation touches on the tension between survival instincts and spiritual awakening.
- The discussion critiques the superficiality of learning through words alone and the importance of direct experience.
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to admit um it just makes me giggle i think each time because i find that um i could be wrong of course but i find it that um it could be the case that we get addicted to this message
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I actually came across your writing and your book, Adviceholics Anonymous.
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you can get addicted to any message most of society is addicted to one form of message or the other whether it's a consumer's message or a spiritual message it doesn't matter it's it's a message it's basically a formula for living life
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I actually like the title, I have to admit.
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guaranteeing you something a reward at the end whether that reward is financial spiritual there's a reward all you got to do is follow the script very easy writing your script from scratch however takes creativity and creativity requires you to be
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It just makes me giggle, I think each time because I find that, I could be wrong of course, but I find that it could be the case that we get addicted to this message.
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us right uh the the book title itself by the holics anonymous i'm glad you appreciate it most of my family couldn't understand what they're like they're trying to pronounce the title of really this is what you want to call your book are you sure
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And you get addicted to the meetings and we miss the point of living the life, you know?
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but what i mean is people who are not familiar with this brand of philosophy or spirituality won't understand first of all what advice is and then they won't get the play on that vitaholics because there you need some background
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So can you expand on that a bit or is this how you say that?
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doing as a hobby but it's taken over to the point where it's it's revamped the way they see their life right it's it's reformatted their brains and now instead of seeing it you know the way the normal person does
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Yeah, I mean, it's not just this message.
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but there's merit to every philosophy it means a person whoever's come up with it has thought deeply about life or reflected probably had some direct experience that they're leaning upon in order to arrive at those conclusions are those conclusions accurate in each
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You can get addicted to any message.
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adi shankara did so if he wants to live the advice away great it was his philosophy to begin with they were his insights but then you have i don't know how many thousand years of people now repeating and
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Most of society is addicted to one form of message or another, whether it's a consumer's message or a spiritual message.
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agrees with each other so they don't question it anymore because all they see is agreement so it must be true it's a phenomenon that happens all every day in all forms of culture and this is the danger of culture
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It doesn't matter, it's a message.
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around the culture but it's all based on a fundamental premise which is an assumption that's all it is and so for a truth seeker they have to go beyond the comforts and the benefits of culture to well is this really true and i'm going
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It's basically a formula for living life.
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one aspect of this addiction but this addiction takes numerous forms myriad forms you know everywhere you look that addiction exists yeah yeah uh to me it's um what i how i saw that title uh we just you know we all have
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Everyone's looking for a formula because it takes effort to live your life in a spontaneous way, figuring things out in a manner that's authentic to you.
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seeking and sitting in the meetings i think i find it that um that people go a wrong way rather than being genuine like for myself i didn't like i just i can speak for myself when i went to the meetings um it was
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It takes much less effort to follow a script, especially when the script is guaranteeing you something, a reward at the end.
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become a spiritual teacher or to join a cult to me joining any group whether it's political party i've been in politics myself and i've been on a pro-government against the government um even when i went against the government i thought they were more
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Whether that reward is financial, spiritual, there's a reward.
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the more um basically we i was in there the more i noticed like people tried to try trying to climb the ladder like it reminded me of spirituality when i joined that um but luckily i didn't speak to i
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All you got to do is follow the script.
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right and um yeah and when he said that there was nothing to seek and what like why are you doing that like you know and he said uh do not you know worship the messenger because um you throw him
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Very easy.
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drives that body and the words um you know the words out of your mouth or whatever like you know but what does it what is driving the words out of your mouth right now i presume just a life or life essence so
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Writing your script from scratch, however, takes creativity.
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me now you're you're referring to a person i'm assuming not julian assange would say who's was saying those things you're talking about somebody else correct yeah exactly yeah yeah look it's in it's always been in vogue to be a little
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And creativity requires you to be present, open, receptive.
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what maybe appeals to people is that i'm not saying it because it's been said before yeah okay nothing i'd say is being said because somebody else said it and that's not the reason i'm saying it because that's what's
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These are things that we naturally are able to do as kids, but somewhere along the way it gets taught out of us.
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this place right [Music] so none of it is really tailored to get a specific response out of a person it's just what is right now when you're talking about you're joining the political party and then realizing there's these power
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Whether through the school system or to our parents, social interaction, it gets taught out of us.
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community it's going to be anywhere human beings group together why because fundamentally we are primates we're monkeys now i'm not going to go to the extent and say that's all we are and that everything is governed by purely a
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The book title itself, Adviceholics Anonymous, I'm glad you appreciate it.
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they have very complex social hierarchies and they're constantly trying to fit in somewhere because the larger the numbers the safer the group the better chance of each individual survival that's just we're programmed that way so we're always going to seek that
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Most of my family couldn't understand.
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survive truth does not guarantee survival in fact it actually undercuts the imperative within us to survive all right so we have evolved to develop blinkers for a reason just like when the lion hunts all it sees is the beer
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They're like, they're trying to pronounce the title of, "Really, this is what you want to call your book? Are you sure?"
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so it's genetically evolved to look have a tunnel vision similarly human beings have genetically evolved to have a more complex kind of tunnel vision we've genetically evolved to have an ego and all of this because this helps us in
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Yeah, I'm sure.
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reality you start peeling those things away you're actually peeling away the tools that help you survive which is why many people who have like an awakening or some deep sudden insight they lose the motivation to hold a job or
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I'm sure the people who are supposed to read it will understand it.
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the whole thing but you don't need to know the whole thing to survive you need to know a very little piece of it right so anytime you have an ideological structure whether it be political or spiritual the philosophy is just the icing on the
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You'll get it.
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instinct and so eventually no matter how beautiful or normal the philosophy will end up with the same structure underneath those bio power hierarchies those pecking orders that control that power it's inevitable there's no way to avoid it and there's nothing wrong with that
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Yeah, the average person won't.
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because it didn't know how it worked but reminded me of a political party or a cult so you think you are special and you you know and uh but i at the same time um i thought there was certain like
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And yeah, and that's not to put the average person down, what is the average person?
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perspective of they're not using their own words but they repeat someone else's words non-stop like okay this message is you know just out there it's horrible there is no one who who speaks and um and i i feel there is too many of these
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But what I mean is people who are not familiar with this brand of philosophy or spirituality won't understand first of all what advice is.
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being identified you know whatever people believe that you become a teacher spiritual teacher and they start teaching how do you deal now with like at work is can i ask this question i know there is no before enough time
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And then they won't get the play on that, Adviceholics, because there you need some background to it.
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people i found it hard to deal with people all right so i had social anxiety i would want to be around people because i wanted to be appreciated by them i would want to be the life of the party i
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So really, when I started writing, it was targeted towards this niche community of people who have become involved in spiritual teachings and paths.
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i don't have a problem i have no anxiety around people it doesn't matter what kind of people they are yeah i just don't i don't just don't seek people out because everyone comes with a certain amount of baggage
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And that's become a part of their life.
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and you spend 90 of your effort trying to work the armor out in order to say hi this is me nice to meet you most people are resisting that anyway so you end up just having this very kind of
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You know, it's not something they're doing as a hobby, but it's taken over to the point where it's revamped the way they see their life.
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i'm i go to work as and i go to work i work remotely but um all my work all my business conversation everything has a purpose because at the end of the day there are certain transactions happening and that is
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It's reformatted their brains.
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anymore i used to once upon a time i used to struggle with how fake the business world was and i wanted it to be more authentic i don't struggle with that anymore because i i go to the with the clear expectations
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And now instead of seeing it, you know, the way the normal person does,
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yeah i i know i understand when you say you kind of you don't like people like i have i didn't have these little friends in my life ever but at the same time when i'm with people i enjoy
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Now they're seeing it purely through this lens of this philosophy, which is Advaita Vedanta.
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burning hatred for them it's just that i would prefer if i had given a choice of spending time with an ocean versus a group of people i would go for the ocean or spending time with animals instead of people i might go for the
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Which, by the way, I have no problem with the philosophy whatsoever.
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we just get you know um hooked up with all these daily things and we forget who we are and that's the problem and we are so fake we don't know who we are well that's exactly it because nature is
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I have no problem with any kind of philosophy.
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very honest with each other we're very transparent we're very open and that means something because then then there's direct interaction we're not you know translating we're speaking things as they are so there's a few handful of people in my life that i'm able to do
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I don't have to agree with it, but there's merit to every philosophy.
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in people seeking meaning and everything that happens around me now i don't seek that meaning anymore because i know that all that meaning comes from within me right it's it's it's purely intrinsic meaning is a purely intrinsic phenomena it's not out there
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It means a person, whoever's come up with it, has thought deeply about life or reflected, probably had some direct experience that they're leaning upon in order to arrive at those conclusions.
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so oriented to seeking meaning outside that's what people are seeking because they think everything that they need that they're lacking is somewhere external and they must therefore go and seek it they have to do something for it to happen
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Are those conclusions accurate in each case?
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can tell you that the vast majority of humanity feels that there's a distinct sense of distaste or self-loathing within a human being driven by shame driven by guilt driven by alienation and all this then drives that is the
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Maybe, maybe not.
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well i do not deserve power i do not deserve to be validated therefore now i'm going to go and seek the experiences that will give me love that will empower me that will validate you will never find those experiences
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There are degrees.
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you take it off you won't and deep down inside you'll know it's artificial it's artificial authority artificial love artificial power yeah you did mention artists in your last article you wrote i like that like about like hit ledger
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But the point is, I respect that that is where it's emerged from.
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movie yeah that that was daniel they looked so so that's a that's yeah that's a that's a style of acting called method acting i believe don't quote me because i'm not a you know an expert on dramatics but
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What I don't respect is people then taking that and trying to repeat it as a formula.
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davis you've probably heard of him last in the morning gangs of new york yeah he's multiple time oscar nominated probably awarded as well and each movie he's playing an entirely different role one movie he's he has some i think he was deaf in one movie
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Or, you didn't come up with it, Adi Shankara did.
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embody that mindset and then bring their own self into that role their own self authentically into a character that they're clearly not right and that is the art of living as far as i'm concerned because our ego our identities and we all have them
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So if he wants to live the Advaita way, great.
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costume it's a social identity you need it to interact in society that's the only way you'll be accepted by society and kept saved by society so you need it you need on the stage to have a character but they then try
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It was his philosophy to begin with.
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costume it's supposed to be something entirely different that would be like daniel day-lewis saying oh build a butcher he's not who i really am in real life i want to play myself in gangs of new york well that
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They were his insights.
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themselves good actor can play any role it doesn't matter because they understand the role is not what they are right this similarly understanding the ego is not who we are it's our character identity then we don't we don't need to meddle
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But then you have, I don't know how many thousand years of people now repeating and regurgitating that as if they understand it.
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role in in an inspired fashion because i'm free to do so and that is what i mean by authentic expression you can only be authentic when you're no longer convinced that your identity is that character you realize your identity
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Well, I don't respect that because that's not your insight.
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you must not be silent and peaceful inside of my soul so what if i'm angry i don't care about the role i play i'm not trying to tailor it do you understand i'm not trying to tailor it to suit your sensitivity so
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You've now built the culture around it.
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love it some people hate it and that's life to me um maybe the most difficult kind of people i had to work with were offensive people like people who got offended or who got defensive you just can't work with them you can't
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And the culture is there to support now this philosophy.
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worse so you just have to work out the way how to approach them because it's almost impossible whatever you say they started taking or saying oh this is not what i meant or you just can't speak to them
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It becomes an echo chamber and everybody agrees with each other.
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too much too much to try and figure out before you even get to the point of what we're saying and unfortunately so happens that our culture has moved in that direction wholesale right essentially in the west we're seeing
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So they don't question it anymore because all they see is agreement, so it must be true.
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be a micro assault you have a microsoft like one step from there it's a crime so now we've basically step by step where the line in the sand is shifting and what people are finding is if they haven't shifted with the line they end
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It's a phenomenon that happens every day in all forms of culture.
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you haven't changed the way you interact but the line has shifted and you suddenly find yourself on the other side of it so does that mean everybody has to shift along with the line why that may not be authentic to who you are
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And this is the danger of culture.
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where if you attack someone's sacred cows it really really bothers them right and that is primarily because the kind of people who begin to seek out the spiritual path have already been jaded in some way they're already hypersensitive they're
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The benefit of culture is that it gives you safety in numbers, right?
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of that so they're already feeling that so when you have somebody who's that sensitive then any word can trigger it right it's like taking somebody like if i touch your hands it's not going to bother you with my finger but
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So it has an overarching story that then everybody can congregate around and support each other.
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because the slightest thing will trigger them trigger the pain trigger the trauma the fact is i don't really care i'm just going to say what i have to say anyways right yeah you just um you know you can't you can't do anything about it
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There's a community.
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like it no longer hits the center in the past yes anger maybe it increased my blood pressure in the past but today when anger arises if i snap at my loud neighbors it's just the words come on my
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There's people taking care of each other's children.
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you know as response it's no longer reaction but it's like a natural response that's how i see it and i don't i think hell anger is quite healthy can be quite healthy because not only from uh perspective of trying
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All of this wonderful stuff happens around the culture.
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yourself it's like if someone is sick with something and you keep telling them that such and such can help you vitamin d can help you for you know for whatever they won't hear you till the day they get really crooked you know really sick
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But it's all based on a fundamental premise, which is an assumption.
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get hit by a brick and it might all that might dissolve the hypnosis the hypnotism of that which probably happened to some people you know they had some accident or whatever and they all of a sudden there was no that ego whatever it is
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That's all it is.
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claim that like i hit you and i'm your guru now you need to worship me but people would worship even the brick that hit them and you know so it's it's still all um egotistical i'd say i mean there's no such thing as
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And so for a truth seeker, they have to go beyond the comforts and the benefits of culture to, "Well, is this really true?"
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dipping the you know little mouse in the water and torturing it you don't know what it is it's just natural so well yeah well see the way i think of ego is it's a very functional tool okay it's
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And I'm going to investigate that for myself first before I just assume it is.
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right but what helped us survive obviously these things between our ears but our ability to make stories you see we stole stories right now my daughters are learning norse mythology my older daughter is learning norse mythology in school
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And that becomes the addiction, the addiction to wanting to believe because you are refusing to see it, right?
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to valhalla they're going to dine with the warriors and the greatest gift their greatest reward in life is a noble warrior's death right so now you take that mentality you spread it among groups those groups conquer they get wider that the leaf
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And so the Adviceholics Anonymous phrase is really meant to highlight this one aspect of this addiction.
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makers we know we need the stories we need the stories to survive because the story then leads to belief and belief bonds us together right now every story needs characters how can you tell the story without characters of
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But this addiction takes numerous forms, myriad forms.
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egos right but who is playing that character that's essentially the point is who is playing that character behind the story and behind the characters of that story all of which is a strategy to help us to survive is the organism themselves the
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You know, everywhere you look, that addiction exists.
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and you're rooted there then all of this just seems like a great fantasy you're living now this life is it's like being a part of a great big party this great drama and everybody's playing a role great it's fun why not
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Yeah, yeah.
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which history have we captured correctly this is that's all political debating and conflict is about that is all spiritual debating conflict is about that's all religious and debate and conflict is about is stories conflicting with each other and characters claiming
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To me, it's how I saw that title.
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i put on but a costume without a person it's just a piece of fabric and you're on a hanger right i actually like that and again going back to what you said about heath ledger and similar like maybe actors from
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We all have different points of view, sort of.
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characters free for the actors actually they something completely ran wrong they went like not some of them and i don't know whether someone died or all these things happening and i thought maybe they just couldn't get out these roles they were playing
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People still judge or have opinions or whatever.
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a large number of them have substance abuse problems why is that what is access one is money one is the fast and loose lifestyle definitely but the other is the tremendous pressure it takes to constantly morph your identity
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But what came to me when I saw this was basically like almost like a recovery from the seeking and sitting in the meetings.
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you know the joker another day right and shin who goes to work every day it's fairly consistent so i can play this role because after a while it becomes quite through practice it's it's easy to do but these people are testing the
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I think I find that people go a wrong way rather than being genuine.
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now with a person like heath ledger and that's purely speculating here becomes the joker and is occupying the mindset of a psychopath well his body doesn't know if he's playing a role his body is now responding to his
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Like for myself, I didn't like, I can speak for myself.
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christian bill for the machine has been down to 90 pounds and for a more recent movie he was up to like 250 pounds this is testing the limits of the mind and body which is i think admirable i
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When I went to the meetings, it was basically to get through that.
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it can be adjusted now the spiritual community what they do is they're they're very successful spiritual culture is very successful in morphing that ego into this very comatose blank beat of exterior you know kind of person but again that's a manipulation of the
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I didn't even know what it was, what I was looking for.
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it's just uh it's interesting because it came to me before how these people some of these people who love teaching non-duality you see the pictures and they all blissed out like there's a this massive smile on their faces each every picture you know
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And I just wanted to save myself, for myself.
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so i mean it's yeah it's essentially whatever each person is drawn to doing at the end of the day most people i see need to be a part of a culture in order to feel that they are progressing in some way in life
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But I believe that I was really genuine with that.
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president and you go into the c suites right and then you become the chief technology officer chief financial and then maybe you become the president of the company which is greater you then one day you might be invited to be on the board of directors
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I wasn't there as a seeker to become a spiritual teacher or to join a cult.
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different markers right oh yeah now the way his eyes are is hits that milestone he's he's got the gaze down oh he's not angry he's achieving milestone number two or he's now saying these words that are very meaningful and sound true well he's
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To me, joining any group, whether it's a political party, I've been in politics myself, and I've been on a pro-government, against the government.
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you feel that you're going somewhere the fact is you're not going anywhere exactly where you've always been you know you always are where you are i'm not talking about geographically or spatially i'm talking about within yourself you're always where you are and
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Even when I went against the government, I thought they were more genuine people, people I clicked with.
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all of that is just feeding your feeding your sense of identity right that's all it is yeah same as any other materialistic achievement absolutely yeah i see no distinction whatsoever between spiritual culture and any form of materialistic culture it's the same
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But I noticed the more I spent time with them, it was no longer for the guy.
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speakers you pay for it and it's like anything else you might as well go to tesla conference right yeah it could be i reckon would be more use useful probably yeah in practical life you might come up with an electric car
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Like I'll mention, this was Julian Assange.
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but you know what sabine yeah they say and am i pronouncing your name excellent yeah okay okay have you heard the the phrase there's a sucker born every minute and guess what capitalism or consumer society is essentially based on that paradigm is
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I was in his party.
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in order to benefit so if there are ignorant people around who are blissfully married nerds they want to remain ignorant they want to remain in the warm cocoon of beliefs they don't want out they say they want out but they don't really want out
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And the more, basically, I was in there, the more I noticed people tried to climb the ladder.
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at the end of the day none of this truly has any meaning from any you know rock hard cast in stone sense so cultures will create their own meanings and this is what this you know neo advaithic and
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It reminded me of spirituality when I joined that.
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they like employ people they're gonna be a number they have a business name and because they're in millions and millions so they apparently couple of them admitted that they're doing this for prophets because that's where they yes i think
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But luckily, I didn't speak to anyone.
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well then you're not it's not education right two different things yeah a business teaching is all about graduating your students so when you go to school and sabine goes to eighth grade her teacher is going to ensure she goes to
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I didn't want to go for lunch with anyone.
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but as a business you're no longer a student you're a customer of the business as a business the model is to retain you as apple i want something to keep buying the next iphone why would i want her to
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I just wanted to see the guy who was content, potentially helping other people in a way.
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so if people want to go as clients and customers of this business and give the business money and hey you know people pay for all kinds of experiences every day in japan there are people japan is a very bizarre
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And I wanted to be helped myself and to save myself because I was going crazy.
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long and so they don't know what human contact feels like so there are actually these establishments where you can go and pay money to place your head in a girl's lap as she strokes your hair and that's it that's all that they do
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Right?
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are you stroking your ego it's all good you can pay for it i have no objection to it but call it what it is and that's all this is about is call it what it is don't be hypocritical about it because
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And when he said that there was nothing to seek and what, like, why are you doing that?
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fair enough you know finally someone said that i i i don't know if it's true like i read it someone said like apprentice football said but i don't follow them so i'm not sure um now they're they're adapting to the the
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Like, you know, and he said, do not worship the messenger because you throw him, throw the message.
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yeah there's no real thing as gurus to yeah i'm actually a businessman they'll adapt because they realize hey we don't want to lose our customers so now this customers have become more awake to what's going on will become more hip
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Just sit in their seat because you are already that.
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the whatever sexual offenses or whatever else i don't know you know whatever they're doing over there they've been they've been trying to regulate the catholic church for how many years now that's true how's that worked out right yeah so
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You are born.
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number of uh zen masters and then in india it's been happening for 2000 years it's like if it doesn't happen people what there hasn't been abuse right they're surprised um but that's also because of the nature of what we're
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You are alive.
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then all the power has already been given it's a question of roll of the dice do you get lucky and have a benevolent person who's not going to abuse that power or do you get unlucky and find somebody who is going to abuse
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There is a sense of aliveness.
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about like that kind of abuse but there is another abuse psychological abuse i'd say because i've heard them saying these people um like bentino i don't know and similar that um i've encountered um they basically give people advice to
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I would like to ask you, what do you feel it is that drives that body and the words, you know, the words out of your mouth or whatever?
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about her uh whereas her clients committed suicide few of them or i don't know after being it happened with bentino but no one seems to care no and because they always seem to have more protection they're protected by these you know
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Like, you know, but what is driving the words out of your mouth right now?
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person you're also talking about i'm not going to mention names i'm not going to target people because i don't believe in that and besides i'm not really interested in starting any sort of feud with any individual whatsoever because
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I presume just a life or life essence.
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that's what draws people in and then this philosophy is the linear that then is what it becomes about the thing is all of these people i mean there's a there's a lack of emotional maturity to begin right and then
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So be alive.
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precipice of you know some kind of self um harm or self destruction the point is do you want to be taking your advice from people gonna tell you okay about this is what you should or shouldn't do about it
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Yeah, does it matter?
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responsibility there's no sense of maturity there's no sense of actually having lived a life and gone through the hard knocks and matured and become wise in that process it's fast food wisdom right and and you see that not just in
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I don't ask myself a question.
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the century of the self it's also termed youpreneur right the term youpreneur is is the entrepreneur whose brand is the person all right so now it's no longer about the product it's not a quality product it's not a quality service it's me i am
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The words come out.
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western civilization is in decay because it has become so consumed with first world problems it has lost all perspective on life and the true trials and tribulations we have and it's become you know this kind of very decadent
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I'm not sitting here going, what is driving the words?
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yeah it's um unfortunately it's like instagram and stuff even that is dangerous for young people but there are obviously there's no money in recognizing that and you know young girls they'll have to keep up with all these pretty girls or filtered girls
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I don't care.
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you see a person advertising they figured they don't show you what they do to get it but they just feel just the filtered figures you know get a shot from the right side so she looks perfect you know and get a dog with you it's so
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Yeah, the words come out and it's not important.
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everybody's instagram profile is a mini cult of personality and you have your followers and you're like it's all the culture why are they following you because of you they're obsessed with you and who you are and who you represent so
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It's not important to me.
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filtered and deadly and to continue from here uh with today's world which is call it like a vogue or um identification world of identification you did say it but to expand on that a bit because it's it's quite a big issue
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Now, you're referring to a person, I'm assuming, not Julian Assange who was saying those things?
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give names and labels to like countries continents rivers and oceans and they even the space he said they cut this place and said that's my airspace you got into my airspace you know and therefore they create more separation and more
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You're talking about somebody else, correct?
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deliberate because psychologists must know for sure and people who write the propaganda because there are people working on this 24 7 um you know propaganda media they work on media propaganda and they know for certain but they keep telling someone that your
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Yeah, exactly.
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pretending i watch netflix a little bit like i turn it off like i watched it like for three four days and i turned it off i couldn't it was making me sick you just you you there's no quality there at all
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Yeah, yeah.
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never looked at people that way before they but when they keep mentioning someone being transgender non-stop into my face it makes me angry and it makes me uh really sick i it's not that i hate these people but it
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Look, it's always been in vogue to be a little bit of an abrasive type of teacher who says, "Oh, there's nothing to follow," all of that.
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it's not deliberate because if it was if it was deliberate it would be intelligent i don't find any of these social phenomena intelligent i find them reactive emotional and irrational for the most part um rewinding a little bit to osho and what
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So these kinds of messages have been around for eons.
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the way social hierarchies have evolved not just with us but starting from time of being primates is through war and division and tribes overwhelming other tribes and that's how we've grown and expanded that species right eventually through conquering
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Nothing new about it, even what I'm saying.
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conversation over an iphone so there's steps that have led up to it not steps that we are proud of but steps that happen anyways um but what we're seeing now is just new forms of tribalism the sands are shifting
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There's nothing new about it.
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resisted and pissed off because they're like why are they shifting why are these new stories coming they don't make any sense well guess what even your stories didn't make sense neither those those stories they're stories stories are not
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What maybe appeals to people is that I'm not saying it because it's been said before.
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to try to tell her that's not your identity you're not a viking you're a little girl but thankfully she's not making that mistake but this is it is that when you have a disenf enfranchised group that means their story is not working
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Okay, nothing I'd say is being said because somebody else said it.
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people who were enjoying the privilege up until that point will be pissed oh but but why is this happening and this doesn't make any sense and we call it propaganda it is propaganda all propaganda is is just a new story
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And that's not the reason I'm saying it because that's what's coming.
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doctrination into you and so like jehovah's witnesses they're going to go around thumping their bibles or their little manuals of whatever it is they believe in to try and convince you but the point is i see that and i'm not surprised by it
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here because that is just history repeating itself over and over and over again at some point the status quo is going to get complacent it's going to grow decadent and something is going to want to fill that power vacuum and the people who are
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going to want to fill that power vacuum they're disenfranchised people because they're hungry for power the people who've had the power are fat and complacent so they don't have that hunger to retain that power anymore they're easily overwhelmed and this is
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what we're seeing i mean i'm not a fan of political correctness culture whatsoever i'm not a fan of what's happening i'm not a fan of what the liberal far left is doing by any stretch of imagination but i
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understand it i'm not surprised by it i understand this is human nature and this is how human beings evolve our stories that help us expand as a species and continue on are not for the most part stories of love and light
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their stories of blood lust hatred rape pillage conquering those are the stories and when people in power finally completed whatever their agenda was that's when everyone settled down and there are periods of peace and growth and until something else comes along and the
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next conqueror and the next paradigm and it's it's a destructive way but that's how the creative process of humankind progresses yeah for me the worst thing is like seeing children being heavily educated who are not fully grown who are like 10
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years old to be honest i spoke to my girlfriends who have little kids and they they're unhappy because they get told all the time that someone who identified themselves as a girl a boy can be in the same chain room as
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them so my girlfriends didn't like that fact for an instance and how what do you know when you 9 or 10 about your gender about the sex life do you talk to your parents about like it's bits too much i think from i really
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feel for kids i disagree with this and i think it's a bit sick i i i again this is an example of culture right it is an example of what is a true individual phenomenon versus a cultural phenomenon and the
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pressure conforming to a culture and convincing yourself that what you feel is what the culture actually wants you to feel two different things it's a cognitive dissonance and the people who are most susceptible to the pressures of culture
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are the people who are already feeling disenfranchised or lost or lacking in their life and all of that this it happens in all arenas of life um but again this is not something new my wife grew up in communist romania she
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had to wake up every morning with this balkan freaking sign and they had to stand in attention before every class looked at the picture of nikolai just who was who was the dictator of romania and they had to pledge their allegiance to the
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great leader john chessbook i mean my wife is not that old she's 40 a year younger than i and she has clear memories of doing that in romania indoctrination has been happening through history there wasn't a single period
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in human history where indoctrination didn't happen this is just a new brand of interoperation it's a form of indoctrination we are uncomfortable with because we don't understand it and we say well this is indoctrination well guess what everything is not
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related it really is everything we believe about history that's happened everything we read in our history books is a form of indoctrination today the queen died people are upset canada is probably going to declare national holiday all of this
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i mean i'm sad she died but i mean she's 86 she's living for life whatever but why do we have this strong response to this phenomenon is because at some level there's an indoctrination if the if the sheikh of oman died we're not
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going to be sitting here talking about it but we're going to talk about the queen of england why because at some point history has become eurocentric it's a fact it's not good not bad it's the way it is yeah um
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so so there's always going to be bias there's going to be bias on this side there's going to be bias on that side this will be prejudice on this side trying to even out prejudice is what the the new phenomenon is let's let's try to
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counter balance the prejudice that i think is coming from this person by giving a little bit of extra here and over compensating that generally doesn't work at all right it's it's it's a failing strategy you can try doing it you can put you
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know x number of non-caucasian vikings into a show it's going to look a little bit ridiculous go ahead and do it we'll still watch the show but that's not going to solve your problem it's a very superficial band-aid solution that may make you feel
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like oh you've done something meaningful but you haven't at all these are human dynamics and guess what we will never truly be equal as people because we will always hunger and struggle for power and they will always form into tribes because we believe in
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the stories we're told the only way to snap out of this whole thing is to see through that right and and most people are not interested in seeing that and that's perfectly their their prerogative that's their choice yeah
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yeah um i guess like if you go in a story it's it's never ending so um unless we look into ourselves um and if everyone looked into themselves rather than outside i presume it's you know change can can come from from here not from i don't
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know outside the world is gonna be the way it is in the up like in a way always but it's the way how you see it personally i think that if everyone became enlightened tomorrow the human race would be wiped out in a few
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generations i don't think we'd last because because we have no motivation to do the kinds of things it takes to survive sure we we have achieved seven billion organisms on a planet that we now completely have dominated because
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we have been willing to deny reality in favor of our illusions it's our illusions that have helped us proliferate and will help us finally then go populate and colonize other planets as elon musk or jeff bezos want to do and
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all of that it will likely happen because we love our illusions because we understand the illusions work the illusions work from a survival standpoint the illusions work right this is why we're so addicted to them we're so attracted to them
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biologically we crave our illusions so would you ever tell your kids to look into this message what message like this whatever non-duality say whatever i don't know what to say natural into the natural whatever naturalness uh no it's weird that's awkward
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it's like telling my child hey there's this thing called walking you want to learn how to do it no i know how to walk so all of this only comes into play the moment you have inner conflict inner questioning so
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all of that has to start first and if it starts and i'm here purely speculating you asked me what would you do if so i'm coming up with an answer let's say my daughters came back and oh we're we're questioning our position
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place in life and who am i really all of that i would encourage them to question more that's all i would do i would not tell them anything about and if this oh i'm into this thing called bondwell and yeah i really want
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to follow it okay go for it or i i want to become a christian and i want to you know become a catholic man all right let me know how that goes what am i going to say no why
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why why would i deny you that experience go for it um so so as a parent i'm not i'm not trying to my goal is not to angle my children to preset direction of life yeah in certain ways like yeah be a good
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citizen don't over your neighbor like basic things like that of course uh but in terms of generally you know what to do what to believe how to perceive life i'm not really interested that's for them to figure out
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and if their you know those true natures dominate and they're able to feel a certain level of confidence and self-certainty as they go through life great if they flounder and all that and they need assistance or help then i will
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step in to be able to guide them to reflect back on themselves as much as possible without telling them what to think right i don't even know if what i think is right i don't know that but it doesn't have to be it is just
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what i think right there's no right or wrong yeah and i mean um i'd like people to hear this because i mean coming from you you wouldn't push non-dualities so to say or or whatever this enlightenment idea which is not the you
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know um yeah i wouldn't push any philosophy of life no it's a lens philosophy is just a lens yeah yeah it's it's good probably to realize that really there is nothing to get it might be like another kind of like a sort of
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insight for people to see there's nothing to get and there's it's nothing special and that like you don't feel special you don't feel your kids would benefit from it maybe they would benefit from you know um you supporting them in what they're
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good at like you know your daughter whatever yeah well well guess what my kids will benefit from a lot of things in life and they will yeah also not benefit from a lot of things in life that's just going to happen the benefit
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and the gain and loss is inevitable inevitable okay i'm not interested in [Music] ensuring that they only get benefit that's bizarre yeah that would just be taking out the whole point of what learning is about is through this game of gain and loss
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benefit and what's the opposite of benefit not benefit we learn that's where wisdom emerges from the juxtaposition of the two processes whereas kind of people who try and skew only towards one direction have missed the entire point of the effort right
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so i would not have any interest in doing that however you know there is a fundamental enjoyment a fundamental uh abundance that comes from simply just being who you are and going through that process and that's lost but the meat and
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bones of the whole process is lost when you try and achieve that benefit or achieve that you know so the other day i noticed someone asked you a question about the mind and and peace of mind um and they mentioned
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like a dead chatter in the mind or anger and then it came to my mind how mr gadata used to say he said there is no such thing as peace of mind as its nature is to vibrate so you can't get something to be
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peaceful that which is meant to you know now when i when i use the phrase peace of mind it doesn't mean a mind that is always peaceful as in peaceful emotions right we're talking about emotionally yeah yeah no no you said it you gave he was
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uh referring to peace but you said oh similar to this data said that it doesn't matter if it's peaceful no i i i yeah i i yeah i know but i use the phrase peace of mind because peace of
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mind to me is referring to what's called inner peace or whatever you want to call it it's just a pointer but essentially that place where whatever is going on whether it's on the outside or whether it's on the inside
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the thoughts the emotions up down all that there's a layer beneath that's not perturbed by that right there's a layer of being or whatever you want to call it these are just words but so what i wanted to convey to that
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reader i believe if i'm referencing the right article is that oh you're angry so that you must not have a silent mind or something some bizarre statement like that yeah what does that even mean yeah first of all why would i want the silent
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mind or when i want to lose my thoughts and my emotions all this amazing it's like a party in my head what do i want the party thread secondly secondly that means you equate your own self with what's happening there
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that means that's true that's as far as you've been able to recognize who you are is at the level of your up and down emotions i mean come on so so what i'm talking about is the level of being that you know i'm
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adam that you're at and that everybody is at for that matter is not just at the level of the emotion the emotional grab our attention the ideas and the beliefs grabs the attention grabs awareness it's laser focused on what's happening but
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that doesn't mean what's happening is who you are right um and so this is that was kind of my point there was that hey i'm i'm free and free to be any of these things i don't mind being pissed
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off i don't mind yeah i'm from india okay like a country of 1.2 billion people crammed together we had to yell to get our point across because there's so many people around so it's okay to yell and it's okay to get upset
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try not to kill somebody but it's okay like what's what's the big deal why are you so hung up on behavior this whole spiritual culture so hung up on behavior that's why they're watching their teachers like hawks yes oh
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look at the way his eyes are look at the way his mouth is look at the way his arms are look at the way he holds the flower look at the way he turns his head look at the way he adjusts his ball sack
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i mean come on you're obsessed with this guy's outward appearance with no clue what's your with what you're even focusing on right i saw that's their stare like expecting shakti or something whatever they called obstructive but this it's a pure power move it's a pure power
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move when human beings we are in culture not to stare at each other staring is considered rude it's considered you know an invasion of a person's space right so let's say you're sitting on somebody say someone's staring you down
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you would see that as a sign of aggression yeah right now the reason the teacher uses it is because subconsciously or consciously they know that's the case they're exerting power over you because the moment they stare at you you are will
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feel uncomfortable and the moment you will feel uncomfortable you'll say wow this person has power over me therefore they must be powerful it's like it's like a children's games like kids in a kindergarten it's immature it's naive and yet
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all these people are out there playing this stupid game and thinking they're very wise and deep for doing that and um yeah i've seen people sitting in the meetings for years and years and years they obviously have all the knowledge
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which i didn't have and um where it's intellectual knowledge i don't know and the words they had and i didn't have any words i had no clue what i was you know told or what i was talking about
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what i asked i just asked about problems at work what's going to happen next week if this guy is rude to me and that's what my questions to person i went to see and um but anyway these people tend to
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say what do you think um what would you say to these people who sit in the meetings for years but to today's day they still say um i'm in and out of it i'm in and out of it
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i've heard this statement more than once whatever it means can you be in and out what is what is it well i presume i don't know something maybe they thought they were like enlightened or something okay well i guess if if they've they've
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decided that enlightenment is a thing then i suppose you can be in and out of it like a house or a room i don't know what that means so i can't really comment what i can tell you is that
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within myself if i observe i have myriad conscious states that i cannot occupy right there's the hypothetical abstract state of playing with ideas there's a more emotional state that then gets more into my body there's a more relaxed state where there's not too much
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mental activity happening and there's relaxation both in body and mind and then there's an empty state where phenomenon dies down to very minimal we call it the trans state the theta stay the meditative state but essentially in that state
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sometimes it can be imagery or whatever there's a lot of creativity happens there but these are different states like all minds can go through this you can measure it on the brainwave scanner so in that sense if they want to stay in
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and out of this relaxed state of mental activity dying down all right i can understand that what is it i'm not sure what they mean by it i presume um out of hypnotism whatever being identified or something happening to you
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uh like i don't know for me easier way probably to explain this is like today things arise like anger rises laughter rises from here words arise by themselves like like spontaneously in the past i thought it all was happening to me
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you know this was hitting imaginary center that i imagined my head was the like the center so i presume that's what i thought you know like not happening to them um maybe they so they were not like a dua as a
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individual um sort of i don't know so so let me so so when i you know i've had these conversations with people before and some people are very adamant that though their master was enlightened and they've seen that and
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they've felt their presence and they even say oh this shaksi pot was there and i thought at the moment you know what let me give everybody the benefit of the doubt yeah let me say they're enlightened people they're all this
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my fundamental question is so what so what someone says i'm enlightened okay good for you so what oh i'm in and out of it so what i no longer suffer fantastic so what so what so what does that mean what how
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does this apply to needs that's great for you that's great you drive a porsche so what i don't drive a porsche i don't care about your porsche i care about my toyotas so you're enlightened it's good i don't
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care about your enlightenment i'm not enlightened i'm happy with that so the point is it doesn't matter none of this all these claims whether they're unfounded or founded or they're fantastical or not at the end of the day i reduce it down
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to this ordinary moment and say so what because so what makes everything mundane right it makes everything ordinary it doesn't matter i don't care if your jeff pays off and you made 300 million dollars no 300 billion dollars
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i don't care it's good for you spend it enjoy that money i don't have a billion dollars i'm gonna enjoy the little money i have similarly you've had these mind-blowing spiritual experiences yay great good for you go out there buy yourself an ice cream
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remember but do i care how does that apply to me it doesn't plug that's your life that's your experience that's your perspective on what is happening in your head it has absolutely nothing to do with it so so this is what i essentially i'll
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always reduce it down to no matter what the claim is is really none of this is special in any way and we are like children craving special experiences like daddy buy me the ice cream or buy me a
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lollipop or give me a special mystical experience it's not going to satisfy you even if you're obtaining none of this stuff because guess what life continues and the dynamics of life don't change you're still gonna have to feed your
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body there are enlightened masters who freaking died in their diapers because nobody fed them anymore they had to be literally fed ramana could barely walk have you seen pictures of him his knees couldn't bend he was walking with two sticks i mean that's the way
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you want to end up buddy do you want to end up like ramana on stilts come on what are you aspiring to how distorted is your perception here you have a healthy body kudos to you you have a healthy somewhat
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healthy brain you have food to eat on the table you got some loved ones around you the weather is nice today you got a good life yeah why does it have to be more complicated than that exactly it's just a lot like that's what
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i said can you get out of life and get into your life that's what i tend to say i know what else to say because i've heard this more than once like as a question like how do i stain it but you
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are in life you don't get in it or out of it like you can't get into the space or get out of the space it's kind of just you know and so and so you know what spiritual people are doing they're trying to make
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this experience of the space more comfortable and they're kind of trying to get an assurance a guarantee from now on it's going to be a good experience enlightenment is that guarantee i can tell you you know your readers or your viewers will watch this
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interview there's going to be somebody who wrote oh he he's actually identified with a separate self and this is why i've heard this a billion times you know and what they don't understand is it doesn't matter i've had those experiences like
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you know in my youth when i went through a massive awakening and a shift in my head because i was so deeply depressed and suicidal for such a long time i've had that experience where my mind went completely shut like shut down most
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four months of absolute silence i've had that it's just another experience that's all it is yeah it's it's nothing worth orienting your entire life around having again oh i would rather orient my life around you know what i'm supposed to do tomorrow
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grocery shop store plan for dinner that seems more meaningful to me than that right yeah just basically you enjoy the life that you know you just love getting out and doing what you love doing that's what it is and being healthy is important when
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you wake up in the morning there's no pain that's you know and and if i wake up in the morning and there is pain well then that's going to be my new reality you know exactly work with the fact that
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there's the space [Music] like i don't see any grand purpose to life the purpose of life is very obvious is to win it right we're here living we don't know why we don't know how and how we got
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here but guess what here i am here we are living so live why does it have to be any more complicated than that and yet if you watch 99.999 of minds cannot accept that they cannot there's something within that bill
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violently resist and then run helter skelton every different path to try and find a reason why that is not true even though they know it's true but it's not enough because if a person actually sits and admits and accepts that the only
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pers purpose to life is just to live what do i build a story around nothing you've given me nothing you've not even given me a shred of a seed to build a story around give me something give me the purpose of life is to live
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and fill in the blanks but no then what do i do what do i do with myself give me something i need a story i need a purpose i need a character i need a drama i need a plot i need i need all
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these things because i don't know what to do with myself otherwise and that's it so one of my readers had made the statement all roads lead to roles as a kind of uh analogy to all paths lead to the
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truth and i said not unless you're already involved in which case all votes lead away from propriety that's really good pointer that's excellent i actually i think i saw it i read it somewhere yeah it's excellent we are already in rome but that is
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actually what charm ended it for me when it started when i would like you already yeah david what you're looking for like you're already there so there's no way to go and i thought my god this is shortcut you know it came to me
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this is like a shortcut when you play video games and there's you put in god mode there's a cheat mode in the past i used to put it in and um and then you go to the last level
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like now instantly you don't have to go through the stages and that reminded me of that's when you said you already know wrong that's excellent ship okay and it's just the last probably question unless you have to add something else um
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about the pointers how much do you really need number of pointers and people hold on to pointers that they collect them or whatever do you need any pointers or can it click like that that well i'm already in rome
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do you need so meat is a very loaded word right yeah um yeah yeah so i can tell you you need air to breathe i can tell you you need water in order to live past i think it's about three
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days i know you need water food in order to live past 10 or 12 days for the average person you need shelter over your head in order to survive excellent everything else everything else is bonus everything else is bonus including
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love and comfort community family everything else is bonus so when you start looking at the things that you have in your life the experiences you have in your life not as needs but as gifts different right because when you need
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something you think you deserve it you don't deserve it but as a gift then when you get gifts it generates a feeling of natural organic gratitude not trying to cultivate gratitude you're not trying to be grateful you just are you recognize that
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all these amazing things you have in your life whether it be family or whatever it is is a gift you're appreciating it right you're not taking it for granted so you're rooted in the reality of the situation in that sense
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now if there if at some point somebody says something that triggers some form of understanding that's great but it's not a necessity it's not a need and it's not the only way to connect with reality at all so
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you know philosophies and pointers and all of that i'm not i'm not going to shun them i'm not a huge fan of teachings because i find teachings are are more the marketing campaign around the philosophy it's not the philosophy
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itself and teachers of philosophy are rarely teaching their own philosophies they're teaching somebody else's um jesus was never a christian or nadi shankar i didn't go around trying to teach the whole world advaita philosophy he just sat there thought about life and
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came up with this so i encourage people to who are curious of mine and curious to explore various lenses on reality to read philosophers i loved reading philosophers i never took any of the words as truth in order to
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exercise the mind in different ways of perceiving but that's about it that is the extent that we're taking but pointers as in truths being pointed to no i think that's taking a step too far i don't think any word can do that
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effectively enough they're much better off with real life experiences that can yeah life experience is like life that's it pretty much living you whatever it's happening teaches you you often trip and you learn not to trip again how not the trip
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oh yeah it's just um probably that and yeah and what you learn through words is a very superficial learning right it's it's hitting only at the level of your several cortex so it's it's that kind of learning is a form of
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indoctrination because it's not deeply seeping in yeah because your body hasn't learned that it's only your abstract brain that has learned that so even though it clicks intellectually but that's about it the body learns through physical interaction and
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physical experiences and emotional experiences and it'll only settle in your body when it has clicked for your body and that's not going to happen by somebody saying something yes right and that happens in the experience direct experience the body only wants to
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direct it doesn't care about fantasy the fantasies of the mind yeah the body needs direct experience yeah i used to call it like a radar samina radar they used to pick up on that and pick up on the message
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but it wasn't certainly mine you know there's nothing like i was just like no don't use that something within your gut feels yeah it feels off right something feels off yeah yeah yeah and um that's that's even the
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words that i've heard that they were melting through it were not heard like some like through the mind again was went through they went through the i don't know it's just amazing is through the body i don't know
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can't explain it like energetically i don't know how but um and but i i thought also the pointers i'm yeah i'd say pointers are not they're there or not but um there are people who really uh had a few insights or insights also
Speaker A
sorry it's more also insights um people said like i had also oh insights even that i wasn't a duo but it came back to me that i was a duo so belief of do i came back in a way
Speaker A
um well yeah i don't know if this is so yeah so so that you know if you if you watch people are impressionable yeah and if you watch people at rock concerts people at political rallies you can see how
Speaker A
physically they become so inspired right yeah so so that is a very human phenomenon and yeah words can trigger that kind of uh response the point is that response is short-lived whatever insights is gonna cause a spark within a person are
Speaker A
short-lived it's not gonna be lasting it's not gonna be something it evaporates as soon as it arrives it soon starts evaporating this is the frustration of the seeker oh when i was in that moment with my teacher everything just made sense and
Speaker A
now i just can't seem to get back then i'm going back into my mind i need to go back and be with the teacher no that's it's just because that level of interaction is always just going to be superficial yes the only way
Speaker A
for for that to truly be absorbed is to the lived experiences of life not through talking to each other and yeah people like going back to the old experiences and wanting it back but without realizing it's a fresh and new
Speaker A
experience in like as we speak in this instance or whatever so yeah yeah that's yeah quite sweet thank you so much chip for your time i really appreciate it you're talking to me have you got anything to add at the end or
Speaker A
no this was this is great i really enjoyed it yeah me too thank you so much okay you can rest now from me a bit and look up to your family enjoy all right all the best thank you so much
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