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A small public group on the gossip site Gossipnik reported that on July 3rd of this year, in the Shatoveren cottage community, Dzhigan, while intoxicated, opened fire on his own security guards.
Dzhigan's violent incident while intoxicated endangers his family, revealing struggles with safety and mental health in this episode of Oksana Samoilova's real life.
Key Takeaways
- Intoxication and mental instability can lead to dangerous domestic incidents.
- Victims of domestic violence often face fear and trauma, especially children.
- There is often a reluctance to report or confront violent behavior within families.
- Support systems and independence are crucial for safety and recovery.
- Open communication about such incidents is necessary to protect vulnerable family members.
What the video covers
- On July 3rd, Dzhigan, intoxicated, opened fire on his security guards at the Shatoveren cottage community.
- Denis was sent to Israel for treatment following the incident, with no official police report filed.
- Oksana Samoilova discusses the impact of the event on her and her children’s safety and mental well-being.
- The children were evacuated and hidden during the shooting; they experienced fear and trauma.
- Dzhigan exhibited erratic behavior, including paranoid conspiracy talk and chemical breath odor.
- Oksana was not in Russia during the incident but stayed in contact with the nanny and children.
- The video highlights the difficulty of confronting domestic violence and the silence surrounding it.
- A referral promotion by Alfa-Bank is briefly mentioned, unrelated to the main story.
- The transcript includes emotional testimonies from family members about fear and protection.
- The episode underscores the importance of independence and self-protection in crisis situations.
Chapters
- 00:00Incident at Shatoveren Cottage Community
- 05:10Oksana’s Perspective and Contact with Family
- 07:57Dzhigan’s Erratic Behavior and Paranoia
- 12:27Children’s Fear and Protective Measures
- 15:29Family Reactions and Emotional Impact
- 19:39Psychological Effects on Children
- 25:51Witness Accounts and Adult Denial
- 30:40Forced Confrontation and Safety Concerns
- 32:03Oksana’s Resolve to Protect Her Family
- 35:53Reflection and Hope for Recovery
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The reason was not specified. Afterwards, Denis was sent to Israel for treatment, where, judging by his stories, he is now. According to the informant, no statement was filed, but here are some photos.
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Yeah. So, it's kind of clear here that this Dzhigan is carrying that machine gun. Do you recognize him? Of course.
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Oksana, I'm asking you, let's stop hiding the truth, because this is about the safety of you and your children.
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And you were absolutely right when you said that if this situation happens again, you'll never forgive yourself.
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Yes, that's true. Well, all this death is real. So, it would be easier for him to kill me?
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Listen, this looks like some kind of footage, like a terrorist attack. He locked one of the guards there, wanted to execute him.
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They evacuated the children, subdued him, gave him an injection, and took him to the clinic.
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They came into our room with a machine gun. Well, there was a lot of blood on Mom's chest in the dressing room.
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You didn't even ask him what you were doing. We all remained silent. Everyone always feels sorry for Dzhigan. You can't always see the eyes of children watching you and asking for help. Were you afraid that your father might kill
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you? Yes, of course. I hid, I didn't come out. I'm terribly ashamed in front of the children. What are you most afraid of?
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That he'll kill Mom, that he'll kill the children? Well, just us, that he'll kill.
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about what happened that third of the month, what all the fuss was about. Well, I wasn't there. I wasn't in Russia, and Denis was in Israel with the kids. Oh, and everything seemed fine. I was calling the nanny,
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constantly calling the kids. And they all said everything was okay. And the nanny, too, said everything was fine. I was watching his stories and, well, I had doubts that something had gone wrong. And then at night, Ari calls me,
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writes, or rather, a message, saying that dad is picking me up, he's arrived at the farm and is taking me to the Chateau. And at that moment, I start calling all his security.
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He must have been in Israel. I mean, he came back from Israel. Yes. And that same night, right away, yes, straight from the plane, he went to get her. And he picked up Ariela and brought her to the house
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there. I started calling all his security and saying, "Please, tell me, is he okay or not?" They said, "Yes, everything is fine." Although before that they worked part-time and during my time there too. I said, well, this is not a joke, please. Well, if you
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ever see anything like this, be sure to report it. Well, in the end, of course, they didn't report anything, they covered for him. And that's it. And then I only know the information from Ari, the nanny, with whom I was
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constantly in touch that day, that he was shooting, shooting at the staff, at the security, at the employees, that the children were hiding.
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Aria, tell me, please, when was the last time you saw your father? The last time I saw him was between July 3rd and 4th. That day I went to the farm. Then I don't know, well, I just didn't sleep until about four, I just
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couldn't sleep. I see my dad's car. He arrives and doesn't get out of the car for a long time. Well, he stands in the car for about three minutes, probably.
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He gets out of the car. I'm sitting on the bed, well, it's not a bed, it's just a fold-out sofa in the living room. He comes in and says, "Hi." I'm like, "Hey, why are you here?" He says,
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"Listen, like, we need to go to the Chateau right now." I say, "Why?" Well, to another house, not to Millennium.
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Well, to his house, where he lived, to his house. He says, "We need to go to his house." I say, "Why? What do you mean?" Well, I immediately knew something was wrong. Right when he walked into the house, uh, and started
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talking to me. So, what was wrong? Well, basically, it's just that at 4:00 in the morning he, uh, suddenly decided to come and pick me up at the house. It's kind of weird, am I understanding correctly?
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Yeah. He arrived from the airport without sleeping. He didn't say so himself. I hadn't slept there for several days. It's already kind of weird. So I say, "Why? Why?" But I ask a lot of questions, I'm stalling. Why,
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why? Why do we need to go there? Why now? Why can't I come tomorrow or this morning? I mean, I'll get some sleep. I said, "I'll get some sleep and then I'll come." He said, "No, we need to go
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urgently. We're in a big city, you're in great danger there. Well, that's all." And then I understood, and he also said, "Don't get me wrong, I'm not on drugs, just in case." It was immediately clear before that, as soon
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as he arrived at Ruza. I mean, why would he do that? Well, yeah, in the middle of the night.
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Yeah. And he also had a strange smell coming from his breath. Well, a specific one.
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Chemical, yeah. Yeah, specific. Yeah, well, a chemical smell, exactly. And he also kept, like, well, we got in the car, and he kept talking. Some Jewish thing, like, that they wanted to kill us there. He was just talking nonsense. That
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they arrived with, well, they just returned with all the kids. Yeah. And I'm saying that they were guarded there by thousands of people with bills. Well, he literally did with bills.
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Well, that's how it is. That they had a private jet, and they arrived and now everyone is safe except you. That's it. And I'm like, "Uh-huh, uh-huh." Well, I wasn't aggressive, because I understood that I shouldn't do that. And he constantly,
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well, right away we got in the car, he immediately started asking for water. That is, he just keeps telling the driver, "There's water, there's water, there's water." I was very thirsty, constantly, even when he came into the house. Did
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you try to stay or did you at some point just realize it was better not to argue?
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Well, I'm saying, I stalled for a long time. I stalled, saying that I went to the farm with a friend, I said that I had a friend there now, and, well, I went in and told her everything right
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away, well, to inform her that there was danger, well, that I would need to be rescued soon. That's it. Yes, he also, I say, it turns out that after he said: "I'm not on drugs," after a minute of this conversation about the
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conspiracy, still in the house, he's like: "And you have to come with me, since my mother is not in Russia." So this is criminal liability, I have every right to take you away from here.
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So then
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drive, he told us all this about the conspiracy. He says: "Now we'll get home, I'll sleep, and you'll celebrate the holiday with us." Well, you'll lie down, like, well, he just says, lie down with the kids with someone, sleep,
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get some sleep too, everything's fine, I'll celebrate the holiday. I was like, "Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh." Well, I mean, I agreed to everything, listened to everything, even asked additional questions, showed interest so that he wouldn't think something was wrong and
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start acting aggressively. So we arrived at the house, oh, I went inside , it turns out there were the security guards who drove us. And I went, there was the nanny who had also flown there with them. The children were all asleep
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. This was somewhere around 5:00 in the morning. I was sitting in the kitchen, I didn't go to bed, of course. I wrote all this on the phone, and I texted everyone, called, said that, well, he picked me up, that I was now at his
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house. That's it. And that, yeah, that he wasn't in his right mind, like, that he was urgently on drugs, well, that is , well, he was just talking complete nonsense in the car. That is, well, and a conspiracy, and switching topics.
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I take it you'll remember this day for a long time? Yes. I arrived for my shift, saw Ari in the kitchen, and I don't understand why , because Ari never came to visit us at Chaton. She came over, asked, and said,
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"Daddy kidnapped me." She said straight out, "The companies are further away." Then the nanny arrived, and we went upstairs. I said, " Something happened." Well, no, everything seemed fine. After a while, Denis Alexandrovich came down. He had a
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really unpleasant look on his face. And he started gathering all the employees who work here, the staff. He told the cook and the maid to clean up, to check all the rooms, um, if anyone was there, someone wasn't. And then, you know, to
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help in the kitchen, clear away all the dishes, that's all. Well, I immediately went upstairs because David had woken up, and Nina Nikolaevna and I were upstairs. Then Denis Alexandrovich came in, and, well, like, oh, have you arrived? I said, "Yes, I have." And
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that was it. He said, "Don't feed the children." It's supposed to be Shabbat that day. And at 5:00 pm, somewhere in the evening. Well, okay, don't feed, then don't feed. Then time passes, ah, 11:00, probably somewhere. David wants
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to eat. I went up to him and asked, " May I?" Yes, I can. He just said definitely that there's porridge, vegetables and fruit, that's all, nothing more. And after a while, Nina Nikolaevna says, like, don't be scared,
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everything's fine. Denis Alexandrovich is a little confused about what's happening to him. After a while, he comes into our room with a machine gun.
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Well, he starts saying, he started saying, like, well, there's already something there. And he'd come in and out. Davidik and I were putting puzzles together.
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So David was in this room, he'd come in with a machine gun. Yes. Yes, he'd come in periodically with, well, a machine gun, and watch what we were doing. Then we went downstairs, Davidik had a room downstairs. Then we moved to the second
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floor, and we went down to the first floor, and went there, uh, for toys. He came with us and said, "Check the room, throw out everything that's unnecessary ." We just didn't understand what to throw out. Well, and then he started
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running around the grounds, locking everything up. He suggested the children spend Shabbat in the movie theater. They have a movie theater on the first floor, somewhere around there , everything is tightly locked, no windows, no nothing. I say, "Lei, Lei,"
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we can't go there. We didn't tell the children what was happening with their father, because David started asking why their father had a machine gun. We said there were thieves in the house and their father was guarding it. And
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when we were afraid that some people had already appeared on the street, we were afraid that if there was shooting, we decided to put the children in the bathtub. They put David in the bathtub itself, and we sat on the floor. And
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Maya and Ari, they hid in the dressing room, fully clothed. And, and he comes in and says: "Why are you sitting here?
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" We were just hiding when we were sitting. Why are you sitting here? David says: "Dad, we have thieves." And he, well, he simply didn't understand what was even being said to him. And before that, when we were all sitting
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together, and he made us, that means we were supposed to have Shabbat in the evening, I repeat, yes, and the children started drawing, because Ari is a good girl, she figured out that this is what was happening to him, and
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we started drawing Shabbat for him. That is, we were supposed to celebrate this Shabbat together.
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We weren't exactly hiding yet, but we kind of went into this dressing room. I'm saying, let's draw all these things , I mean, on Shabbat, we found some pictures online and started drawing pictures for him. I say, "Let's pretend
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we're making decorations specifically for this Shabbat." Because, well, I mean, there's this tendency, that when you start talking to him about it, especially if we're kids, he immediately becomes so kind, I mean, well, his aggression disappears completely. So we draw these pictures,
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some prayers like this, well, we write. And then, exactly 40 minutes have already passed, he comes in, and no one's shooting, he walks into the room, well, checks where we are, and we're straight at him like, "Shabbat shalom."
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with these pictures. That's it. And that's it. He's like, "Oh, how cool." He closes the door and leaves. That's it.
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Then he and the janitor or whoever he was, well, with a worker with some kind of sharokh or whatever, first walked around the entire area, and the two of them watched in the bushes. Oh, he kept imagining something there, that someone
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was following him, someone was stalking him. He comes out completely decked out in, well, weapons. And he goes, well, just walking around the house.
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In that, in everything, yes. Yes, in ammunition, yes. At David's, they are sitting, it turns out, with the nanny with the door open, and Leah's looming sleep. That's it. And he walks around the house with a weapon. I'm like, "Oh, well, I mean,
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well, I was scared, naturally, but I knew this would happen." I mean, it was likely. Well, I'm saying, I was preparing for exactly this. I carefully went upstairs, he was standing in the kitchen.
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Of course, I'm interrupting, but these are some big weapons, pistols, like he had so many of them, like a big machine gun and something small, just a pistol and that's it. Well, it turns out he had this thing for holding the
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weapon. He had some kind of bag, and this machine gun here with pockets and this hat, the Jewish one. Yeah. That's it.
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Then he went outside, it turns out, to sort things out with the guards again.
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I didn't see exactly what they were discussing there. I think it was when he locked one of the guards there and then started either wanting to execute him, or something like that, I just found out about it later,
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no, I'm just saying, in his delirium, accusing him of something. Maybe you can talk about it now, you see, the news has already spread everywhere.
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Yes, I'm kind of worried about the news about him, what people write about him.
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I'm actually more interested in him now . Well, he threatened you personally. Yes, yes, he shot me, shot twice.
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Where did he hit? I'm telling you, let's talk later. I had already gone, or rather, I was sitting upstairs on the couch and went to see Maya. And Maya woke up. And it was, well, at about the same time. You
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just couldn't hear anything. That is, they were in this tiny room, and the soundproofing was strong and you couldn't hear anything, and they were there for a long time.
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What was the first thing you talked about with Maya? That's it. And Maya wakes up. I say that dad is on drugs again, like, get ready now, soon, well, you'll either have to hide or run away. Well, I say, like, be calm, like,
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everything's okay. She says, "I'm going down now." Well, that is, I'm going to have breakfast now. I say, "May, good morning, how are you?" Well, at first, that's how I started the conversation.
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So she started washing herself and said , "I'm going to have breakfast now." I said, "Oh, let me bring you some breakfast in your room." Like, would you like some tea? I'll go get some tea , bring you some apples. And, well, I
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say this, that here he is again with a gun, again on drugs. She says, "Oh, well, I see." And I say, "Stay in the room." I look, but he's still asleep. I go downstairs, make some tea for me,
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and bring it to her. We drink tea in the room. I periodically check what's going on. They are still down there, that is, there haven't been any shots yet, but they are just having a showdown there. Maya and I go to the
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forest. This was, it turns out, before the shots there, it turns out there was quite a lot of time from the showdown to the shots. We are sitting, I say this, well, we say again that he is walking around with a machine gun. And
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Leia is like, "Where is he?" I say, " He's kind of outside." And right at that moment, he starts shooting. And then, at the guard there, I think, probably two. Well, he was running, one of them ran past, and immediately we
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just saw his back. That is, right at the moment when he started shooting, shooting at those guards. And Leka, immediately, bam, May and I were like, I say: "Well, that's it." And Leia, I don't remember, by the way, what she
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said, she just went to sit on the bed. She saw that very moment, yes. And the three of them saw it all.
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Just like, what was he shooting with? An automatic rifle. He was shooting at them with an automatic rifle, yes.
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And they were running away from them, yes. So, there's the car and there they are, the garage, the cars, they're running like this. He's kind of after them, right from the porch, from this one. We're sitting in the room, and
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they periodically answer me. Then Mom woke up. That is, she woke up first, then I started writing to her, I was already texting my grandfather and reporting what was going on in the house. Also, well, they were constantly
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calling the nanny, Nina, asking, well, to what extent, well, what was going on , they were asking her. I mean, there were two nannies there one day. Another one comes in and says: "He was shooting there, he's shooting. He said that he
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killed someone." Oh, well, he said that he killed one of the guards. You're like: "What do you mean?" And five minutes later, well, this nanny again, with whom I was always, she's like, well, uh, asking someone again, saying:
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"No, they're okay, I think they ran away." How did you react to the shots? Didn't you want to hide, barricade yourself?
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Were you scared or did you just not understand what was going on? Well, I don't know how, well, Maya understood what was happening. Uh, Leia , well, she was kind of scared, but that is, well, she just didn't
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understand what was happening. And you? And I, well, I was very scared, naturally. But I understood what was happening. I understand that if I hide, it will be worse. I mean, well, at the very least, I have a responsibility in
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the form of me or now near me. I mean, well, the first thing I'll do is save them, rather than run away and hide myself. I mean, well, I'm saying, initially, I went to Maya Klein's, brought them food, told them to, well,
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just talk to them, talk about what, well, to do, what, well, I immediately informed them how to behave. I wrote something to my mom. I wrote what , what's happening, it turns out, I wrote that, well, and then I started
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cutting, when he pulled out a machine gun and fired. And after a while, Mom texts both the nanny and me, saying, " Hide it, they're coming to take it away , they're going to have a shootout, meaning glass will be flying out of the
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windows, just hide away from the windows." And the nanny, well, she starts hiding Leah and Maya. So we went into the dressing room with one nanny.
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Leah David and the second nanny were in the restroom like this. We sit there for about 40 minutes, well, less, maybe even 35. Just sitting.
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Well, that's a terrible condition. You're not in Russia, you're in another country. They are writing to you, I understand, your children, your children wrote to you, right, rela? Yes.
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Can you show me what she wrote to you? I have never been so scared in my life.
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Can I, right? What a nightmare. Mom, we will die. He will die faster, please, you will not die, you write. Everything is fine. He will not harm you. Let that scum be locked up. No child should ever see
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this. Not Maya, not Leah, not David. He is coming. You write: "Pretend that you are getting ready for Shabbat." David with the nanny. So now he has taken Leah downstairs, I brought her upstairs . Maya, David and Leah are upstairs. He
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is getting things ready for the holiday . Maya and Leah are upstairs. Nina and I fed them. I am calming them down now.
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Everything is fine with them. He is shooting. At whom? At Sharukh. It has begun. He has locked us in. Mom, please , I beg you, ask someone to come. I love you so, so much. He's coming to shoot at us. Please, please, Mom, I beg
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you, he's going to kill us. Ari, call the police quickly. And then, like, there's nowhere to hide here. Faster, please. I love you so, so much. Listen, this is a nightmare. It's just, frankly, Tarantino taking a break. I mean, your
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own child is texting you. I definitely can't imagine what you felt that night when you received these messages from your daughter. He's coming to kill us now. I love you very much. Even when you're in another country and can't influence the
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situation in any way. If I was in the house before, I understood that I could protect them, I, well, somehow control this situation, then on that day you realize that you're in a completely different country. You can't fly out
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right now because there are simply no flights. Oh, it's really scary. Really scary. You write that you called the police.
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Yes, we called the police a million times, but the police just weren't there. There were a huge number of people there, a lot of cars, and it was like no one knew who was who. Some friends of ours showed up, whom I asked
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to come and help. My parents, my security detail, his security detail, some of whom ran out the gate, some neighbors. So, it was just a crazy mess , and no one even knew who was who. So, in the end, I still don't understand
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whether the police were there or not. So, nothing is clear. And then he went to sort things out with the security guard and came back and said, "That's it, I kind of killed him." He raped the girl, but the
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children didn't hear it. They were upstairs. Nina Nikolaevna and I were downstairs with the second nanny. We looked each other over and didn't know what to do. And before that, there was also a cook and a maid with us. They
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ran away, and we were left alone. Two nannies, four children in the house. We couldn't go out because some man arrived, and he wouldn't let us go. He showed us to move away from the doors.
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We went up; we spent all our time on the second floor. Ari was always there, hidden in the wardrobe. I brought her water, so that, well, because it was very hot there. Maya would come out for a bit and also hide. Maya was
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hysterical. She was afraid that he would kill them. I said: "Maya," I said , "you are his children, he won't touch you. If he kills you, he will only kill us." Then we were in touch with Oksana.
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Oksana said that everything will be released there soon. And we understand that no one is going to go, no one is freeing us. The children are completely useless. And Nikolai didn't offer. He says: "Let's try to leave somehow
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through the back door." And we all started to leave in single file. I picked up David because the stairs there were steep. Well, everyone started doing it one after another, and we survived. And then you got into the car.
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Then there was a car waiting for us. They put us in the car and took us away . Yes. Were you afraid that your father might kill you?
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Yes, of course. Of course. Well, I say, I hid, I didn’t get out. Oh, there was some kind of rumble, they were running, there were no more shots at that moment. And the nanny tells me that they’re going to take us out now
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. We’re getting out. Well, I’m getting out like this. That is, that’s how the nanny put it.
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They’re going to take us out. Yeah. Like hostages. Yeah. She Yeah. Now, like...Well, that second nanny is experienced, she’s dealt with this more than once.
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Well, the first one will be taking us out now, like, ari, get out, we’re going to run now, we’re going to escape. I say, "Okay, get out, I get out, drink some water quickly, and sit here in the room, like this, we're all
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sitting on this couch, waiting for, well, the command that we can do this, that is, he won't come into the room now and we can run." And then the nanny knocks on the window, says to one of the drivers exactly like this: "Here,
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that is, help, how can you get us out." And at first he doesn't seem to react.
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She tells him again again: "Help, get us out." He goes like this, going up through the second house. There is still a frame there, but inside there is a staircase, like this staircase, here are poles and these little, little
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platforms on it. So he goes up, comes in from there and that's it. And we quickly, all without shoes, Leia took the cat, and ran like this up these stairs. We ran out of the house, it turns out, the cars ran. At that moment
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, as I understood it, he was already in the next room with Maya. That's where they found him later, at the end. There . That is, he didn't see you run away and drive away.
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Yes. And we quickly got into the car and drove away. Sveta, how many shots did you hear?
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There were a lot of shots in the house. When the Sharokh [bullet], was he shooting at it, at the Sharokh or not?
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Well, I didn't see, but there were shots in the house. Shots were in the street. There were a lot of shots, because when he shot, the children immediately, well, got scared.
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The children understood what was happening. They understood. The adults understood, they were already adults, except for Davidik. David Davidik thought it was our raven and that dad was protecting us. Were you afraid for the lives of the children and for your own life?
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Well, first of all, I knew that I was responsible for these children. I didn't understand. I worked and worked.
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I didn't understand fear. My fear came after two days. I only realized what had happened two days later, but before that, I hadn't. How did this feeling come over you two days later?
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I had the impression that he was following me. So, are you still afraid of him?
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I can't say that I'm afraid of him. I just understand that you never know what to expect from this person. If he was hot-tempered at home before this incident, he would get angry at any word you said to him, that he could get
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angry, yell, insult you. Have you personally encountered his aggression? Have you? Well, I can't say anything specific. He didn't just insult me there, he insulted everyone. You know, to be honest, I'm not as much of a control freak as some people think, but
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Yeah. When was the first time something really scared you? Well, it was, it turns out, in '20, when he was using. I remember that, well, it was, yes, it was this time, it turns out, Mom was pregnant with David.
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Well, she was supposed to give birth, it turns out. I remember Mom crying on the balcony. Oh, well, I was sitting with her too. Not just...
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What scared you? It was scary, because I remember what Mom was discussing with someone too, about him walking down the street, like, naked. That thing about the police. Uh, I remember that. As a child, I didn't know how to distinguish
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regular cigarettes from weed. And it turned out that it was later in the house when we moved in. Uh, that is, well, it was lying in her office like that. I didn't even learn over time...to distinguish when Dad is simply tired and in a bad mood,
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from Dad today who is dangerous and not quite normal. Well, then, it turns out, after 2020, there was another episode.
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Tell me. And we were in Israel. Mm, he overindulged again, it turns out, he put some kind of, well, just a plate on his head, like a kippah. There was some strange picture there. He was like, "Oh , look, what a cool picture." Well, he
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was talking nonsense again. We were driving and everyone already understood what was happening to him. We went to the airport, there everything goes through this security check. We board the plane, uh, he puts socks on his hands, which is given to him during the
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flight. He walks around the cabin with his eyes closed, well, in a blindfold, and the flight attendant pesters him, just standing there in the aisle. And then, in the end, I remember, well, they sat him down. We arrive, and when
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he arrives, he immediately becomes super adequate. In general, everything seemed to be okay with him. We come home, after some time, they come there, well, who are they, psycho-psychologists, well, from the clinic, it turns out, to talk to him,
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as I remember. Well, like what they told me at that moment, who it was, well, doctors, yes, they came. Well, naturally, I didn’t sit and listen, I sat in the room. And at some point, my mother comes into the room, says: “
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Quickly, now, well, get ready, like, and go out to the garage.” I’m like : “What happened?” I ask. And I, well, I don’t remember. She, well, didn’t answer me. Just like, get ready and that’s it. We’re going to
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this garage, I see. And then it was at that moment when it turns out that my grandfather is standing there, he’s aiming at my mother. I don’t remember , with a pistol or a rifle. And, well, here’s this picture of Leia, I
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don’t ask him. Well, then, when who aims at mom? He, dad, aims a gun at mom. Oh, well, and then it turns out, yeah, yeah. We're just standing in the village and then, like, while they were catching him there, and we come back
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home. Everything there was covered in blood, in these spots, it turns out, traces on the carpets. He also smashed the elevator there, it turns out there were some things everywhere, uh, well, it turns out the door in my room was
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like this, well, like broken, well, just, I mean, everything was smashed, like. Shots, right? Shots. There were shots, it turns out, at, well, most of the blood was in mom's dressing room on this carpet. And there was a shot, it turns
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out, you open the door, she has a makeup table and just like that, right there is a shot. Well, just right there in this window, the one that you first enter the room. Oh, well, I think there were somewhere else, but I just, well,
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I don't remember where now. Everything was simply destroyed. Do you remember the first time there was a gun in the house? Or shots were fired. Do you have any very first memory, because you told that first story, and the most terrible thing
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about it was that when you started talking about Dad already coming out in ammunition, as if this wasn't the first time Dad had done this?
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Well, that was exactly in '23. Well, and I just understand, well, and the fact that he threatened Mom, I think there were shots fired on that day on the '23, but the gun was there. Well, there had been a gun for a long time, I
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remember, because he went hunting, first of all, even before that. And just, well, I saw him, as if I had no question, because he, well, just went hunting, kind of often, by the way.
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Well, basically, he had a gun, as if to me... And he kept it somewhere in his room, and in the office. And something in the room in the safe, something in the office. Well, it turns out that it was
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in different houses. Well, when we moved, in different houses, in different places, it was just. Ah, well , I'm saying, I don't remember if there were shots fired on that day on the twenty-third, in '23. Well, it's just
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that now, naturally, I understood that he, well, and that he would definitely, if he had a machine gun, then he would start shooting. Especially since, well, I'm saying, that is, then, if first he had a knife, and then a machine gun,
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well, how would his grandfather calm him down, he didn't shoot, he didn't fire. In the end, another story came up in Sari's conversation. That is, it was also a similar attack, also with a weapon and also, yes, the same thing. Exactly the same.
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Well, it's just as if, you know, when this happens, you, naturally, are, well , in some kind of crazy shock. You have terrible post-traumatic stress disorder . You can't, like, adequately evaluate reality and actions and everything else . Then time passes, well, it calms down
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and it seems, well, and when you live in this constantly, you, well, your brain doesn't experience, well, that is , it already seems normal. You just think that, well, this is my usual Tuesday, you don't react like that
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anymore. And ah, and it seemed like in 2023, well, after such a situation, he, well, would definitely pull himself together and never let it happen again.
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And I swear, I believed, I mean, I believed that he wouldn't break down and that it would never happen again, because it was like that was the bottom . Well, that is, miraculously, no one died there. We all remained silent,
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that is, well, and everyone always feels sorry for Dzhigan. Everyone always feels sorry for Dzhigan. That is , we, even we all, with horror, telling these stories, still feel a sense of pity.
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And then I get a message from the nanny : "They're shooting at us." I write: " Who?" She says to me: "Denis Aleksandrovich, can you show me? Do you have that message?
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Yes, I do. Well, no. How is Ari? He was talking such nonsense, yes. That everyone is in danger, they want to kill us, we need to save the children, it's terrible, in short.
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Although everything was fine. Missed calls. You are clearly worried, calling many times. He is guarding the house for now. We are at home, kakari. They will release us.
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Yes, it is not us, it will be soon. I am waiting. There was normal shooting here. Just before that, a vase fell.
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And did you call the police or the FSB? Hold on. They called. They shot at Vylna. Horrible. Did you at least hide?
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Sveta and I were alone. The children, the children are with us, there were six of us. How are the children? In shock. The shooting ended. The ladies all hid in one room. You write:" Well done, together it is not scary. "
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Yes. Well, and, naturally, Oksana called me And she asked," Sasha, what state was he in? "I said," Drug-induced . "And when they came in for the first time with the nanny, right after they flew in from Israel, I told her,"
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Nikolaevna, he's drugged. "She said," Oh, there's no smell. "Well, she's like an old woman.
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So I said," No, I'm telling you, he's not drunk, he's on drugs. "And then Oksana called me, asking what happened, what happened, how and what. So I told her, and she immediately asked me the first question:" Is he normal or on
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something? "" I told her: 'He was on drugs, on drugs.' Did you have the feeling that the children had learned to understand this state in advance? Well, when I, uh, came to the family, uh, I had been working for, uh,
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probably six months, maybe more, Ari kept trying to open her heart to me, apparently, well, it seemed to me, she could pour out her soul. And I realized that she wasn't very friendly with her dad. She said to me: 'I'll tell you now
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.' And I said: 'Ari, no.' I said: 'I don't want to not hear, that's true, not see, don't say anything.' I said: ' I understand that it might be hard for you there, but don't tell me anything.' "I'm a cook, I came here to cook."
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Well, are you thinking about the fact that now, let's say, Dzhigan comes back and maybe comes again, like, say, "Here we are, coming back to my place with the kids?" Have you thought about that?
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Well, I definitely won't go. I definitely won't go. I didn't just come to this conclusion after that shooting he caused. I already wanted to leave before that, because his insults were so annoying that I just came for my
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last shift. And that's how it happened with that shooting. And when Oksana picked us up, I see two levels of work.
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There, it was like we were in some kind of war zone, and we had to do everything in a second. So he said, " Then I have to do it." With Oksana, everything is different with us.
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Here, it's like your shelter, your refuge, right? It's not like, well, you feel here, you just feel at home. The relationship is very good. First of all , the children have changed. Davidik, yes, he started smiling more often.
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He's somehow reliving his childhood now . But Denis Alexandrovich, when we were living together, never allowed me to coddle David. "Don't coddle a child, you're ruining him for me. He's supposed to be a man." But we understand with ours, and he's still
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little, he still wants to, and when Mom isn't around yet, only Dad. Well, of course, he's with us.
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He has these stereotypes that a man should have a masculine upbringing. Yes, yes. Sometimes I even see him sitting there, so sad. I say, "What happened?""He says, 'I'd like to go to Mom right now, but Dad won't let me.' I
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say, 'Well, ask, tell him that you want to go to Mom, so that Dad would let you go for at least an hour.' No, he doesn't post me. Well, then we start some kind of game, and it comes true,
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of course. Tell me, in your opinion, are the children traumatized? Well, of course, of course they are traumatized. I can even see from his drawings, when we draw with him, everything is in dark colors, there is some kind of danger
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going on. We talked to a child psychologist, she says, 'And the children's psyche.' Even when we were taking the test, the psychologist broke his pencil there. You know, psychologists also say that very often children close off this danger zone.
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They still love their parents, because they are doomed to love their parents, unconditionally. And I know that Leia still, although she was there with you, sitting in those rooms. dark and waited for the shots to stop. She still
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continues to justify dad. Yes. I thought, what was she saying? Well, she said that my dad is the best.
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I've never heard that about my mom. She only has dad. Dad. What it is about her , what is it about him that hooked her so much, I don't know, because what is dad?
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And when I was working there on November 25th, when I arrived, Davidik was a completely different child. And when he lived with his father, that period of time, he completely changed.
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He changed so much that it was simply unrecognizable. And Leia, on the contrary, Leia, he maybe took Leia with money, because Leia gave her everything she wanted, everything, every whim. And she was always at the top of her game
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in our shat. She was our leader there, maybe because of that. And now, of course, she's returned to the family, like Sanya. There are four children here, and she doesn't have the same leadership as she had at the shat. She
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had a personal The driver, she goes wherever she wants. Yes. Yes. And now, although Oksana doesn't offend her in any way, she does everything for her, whatever she wants, she does everything for her, she does everything for all
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the children. But I think that maybe she will understand this with time, but she also needs time. First of all, she is also under a lot of stress. And when we arrived here, they took us away. Nim Nikolaevna and I barely calmed her down
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. She just had a nervous breakdown. She cried, and she only asked that they not put him in jail. That is, she didn't care about the shots, that she was sitting in the closet. The main thing is that they don't put dad in jail.
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Yes, she said:" If only they don't kill dad, don't put him in jail. " Well, to say that this was the most terrible day of your life. This is the third.
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Yes, yes, yes. God forbid that it happens again. I just always remember the eyes of children looking at you and asking for help. And You can't do anything. Did you discuss this situation with the other children afterwards? Did they ask
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you anything? Did they discuss it somehow? Yes. M. and Maya Davidik completely withdrew. M., when Oksana called a psychologist here, he didn't talk to her about their father. He left right away. I told him that he was really
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worried about his dad. But I would always persuade him:" David, don't cry, because when you cry, Daddy feels that he won't, he won't get better quickly.
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"Well, then he immediately lights up:" He's right. "I say:" Yes, he will get better soon, everything is fine. "But the bad thing is that right now he is again traumatizing the children by calling them, promising them that I
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will pick you up, that I will come soon . And they already have some kind of hope that he will come now and pick them up.
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So he is calling now zreha. Do the children know that he is now in a hospital in Israel?
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Yes, the children know. They say that dad will soon recover and come for them . But he tells them that he will pick you up soon.
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So you ended up in this story, as you yourself just said very correctly, not as a relative, but as a witness. Why do you think adults, when faced with such behavior, sometimes spend years trying to convince themselves that everything
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can still be fixed? Because he sometimes had the state of a Cheshire cat, Leopold the Cat. Seriously. When Oksana left him, we weren't yet divorced, she left, we couldn't get enough of him, we couldn't understand what was happening to him. He said,"
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Good morning, set the table, Sasha. "Oh , and how are you? We were in shock, we didn't recognize him. I said to the nanny," What happened to him? We couldn't understand. "I said," Did it really do him any good? "Then I said,"
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Well, maybe he decided to always be so good and kind? "" He probably realized once why his children were leaving him, and why they weren't. Well, and then it turned out that it was probably just a theater for him, maybe he was some kind
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of actor. Well, I don't want to lose my family. I'm very worried about them, very much. Sometimes, you could even ask them, I even call them: 'Relatives, have you arrived?' Seriously? And I'm very worried about Ari, about Vanya.
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Maya is very scared. Psychologists are working with them. David, of course, he's little, he doesn't understand.
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They told him there were bandits, thieves, and he kept asking him, 'What, David, how are things there? What is this? Dad, we had thieves.' The nanny told me we had thieves and bandits. But we didn't put it into his head. Maya,
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naturally, understood everything, realized it. Maya is very afraid. Very much. Just the word 'Daddy will come or go' makes her close herself off completely. Leah, on the other hand, is incomprehensible. She said this: "Daddy wouldn't have shot us." When I asked, "
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Moreover, do you understand what happened?" She said, "Daddy wouldn't have shot us." What happened to him after that incident? Did someone end up taking him away? He went to Israel, right? They evacuated the children, they restrained him, gave him an
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injection, and took him to a clinic here in Moscow. He lay there for a month and a half, recovering. Well, they detoxified him. And from there he flew to Israel to Rihab. Did you talk to him during that period? You
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didn't ask him at all? What are you doing, [ __ ]? Why are you doing this to children if you don't care about yourself? What do the children have to do with it?
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No, I didn't talk. I was in touch with the doctor who is seeing him and treating him. Well, she kept telling me that he is simply incapable of thinking clearly and that there is no point in discussing anything. Well, basically,
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that was the case back then. And then, after they had already detoxified him, he flew to Israel. But for me, any contact with him is an insane level of stress. I mean, it's like I don't even want to find out anything. I already
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understand everything. I know what he'll tell me. This isn't the first time. He'll say, "I know what happened and what happened." I mean, he himself doesn't understand and doesn't realize what he's doing. And, well, I mean, he doesn't even have a sense of
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responsibility. He doesn't understand the damage this does to the children's psyche. And everything else. I mean, for him, it's like, "Well, I didn't kill anyone, everything's fine." I know the kids even filmed him walking around there. Yeah, I told you, there's a
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video. I mean, he's sitting there, swaying, clearly in some kind of, oh my God, child's backpack. She was the one who sent you those messages back then.
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Yeah. [ __ ]. Listen, this looks like some kind of terrorist attack footage, honestly, where terrorists take hostages and everyone's sitting there, scared, unable to leave. Well, that's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. It's terrible. I
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feel incredibly ashamed in front of my children. And, well, I'm just experiencing so many different, ridiculous emotions. I understand that I really should have stopped this and talked about it back in 2020, I guess.
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But when you're just in the middle of it all and living with someone, it all feels a little different. How did you internally experience that whole last situation, when you were essentially forcibly brought into the house? He shot, you hid, and then, as you said,
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you were evacuated, led out of the house? There you go. You've probably replayed it many times since then.
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I'm still afraid to fall asleep, because, say, if I had fallen asleep that day before he arrived, it would have been even worse, I'm sure.
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Why do you think that? I could have just provoked him into something. Well, it's still better that I wasn't sleeping. He would have woken me up anyway. I mean, he wouldn't have left me sleeping. Do you understand what his overall plan was, to bring you
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in, to drag you out? Why? Then we found out he wanted to fly away with us somewhere.
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When your mom told you in front of the cameras that she was getting a divorce from dad, can you remember how you felt at first?
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Well, I knew it even before that. I mean, well, she told me on camera before. And when she told me off camera , I was incredibly happy. I said, " Hurray, finally." It turns out that when mom and dad weren't sleeping
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together in the same room anymore, he was basically aggressive last year, he forbade us to walk around the village without a security guard and all those weird little things. It's just weird.
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So, he wasn't like, well, last year, let's say, he was so much more aggressive with the staff, well, he changed.
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I think that if I hadn't dug up some fragments of these stories and asked your mother these questions, she wouldn't have said anything and would have continued to remain silent. Why do you think that was?
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Well, because he threatened to kill her . And, basically, that is, we would have ended up kind of stuck with him.
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She had no choice for a very long time. Well, I mean, she couldn't just bring him a divorce agreement or something like that. Well, or deprivation of parental rights. She doesn't have proof of what he did there. Well, just that
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is not enough. That's all. And now, after this situation, well, there is plenty of evidence.
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Well, you know, at the time of our conversation, your parents have joint custody of the children.
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Yeah. Yes. What do you think about that? Ah, well, I haven't wanted it to be like this for a long time. But I mean, I didn't want to communicate with him at all. Did you never have that father-daughter bond, or did you have
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it and then you lost it with him because of his behavior? Well, yeah, I don't think so. Actually, the first time, uh, when I felt relief, well, that I was simply comfortable living in the house, was when he left
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in '23, he didn't live with us for long . Why was it always connected to this feeling of danger?
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I don't know. I, well, uh, I really don't know. It's just that then I realized that when he's not around, I just feel calmer. I didn't figure it out, well, I was much younger, I didn't figure out why that was. Are
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you afraid of him? Yes, naturally, I'm afraid, of course. What are you most afraid of?
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That he'll kill mom, that he'll kill the children, well, just us, that he'll kill, that he'll come back again and it will start, well, that's kind of the same situation. Can you imagine a situation where you'd trust him again? No, I...Yes, you can't
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trust him, really. Well, that's exactly what drugs are. He's not a good or bad person. He has an altered state of consciousness and an addiction. So, in principle, it's very difficult to recover from using. Plus, he had a
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family and children, and he still made the choice to use. Ari talked in great detail about how all of this, what ended in a shootout, started as a Sabbath that he was preparing. Honestly , this is the first time I've heard of
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Dzhigan becoming so religious. Sabbath, you know, he's really studying the Torah, he's gotten into religion. Well, he's always been interested in religion . I just don't really understand all these stories, but he became especially active and religious, fanatically, I
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would even say, after the divorce. Just like that, one day. I mean, he never observed Shabbat. You lived together for so many years. He never observed Shabbat in his life.
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So, this is something new? Yes. Yes. I mean, he was always interested, always studying something, always.
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Maybe he grabs onto this to somehow pull himself towards something brighter through it. Perhaps, perhaps. Well, and most likely, that's it. It's like a fulcrum. Many people turn to religion in stressful situations. Well, he took religion and family as a fulcrum. But
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there are also so many billions of details here that contradict everything . So, that's why...Well, yes, perhaps it was a fulcrum.
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Children still love their parents, of course. Even such parents are still drawn to them. You thought about the fact that, well, they don't fully understand the whole situation and might think that Mom is bad, because now we don't see Dad.
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Of course, you thought about that? Of course, I think about it every day. Well, and especially now, because I have no choice but to tell them all now . I know Leah will be very upset. I don’t know what to tell her, how to
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explain it to her. Despite everything that happened, well, and now, I’ve never said that Dad is bad. I always say that Dad is good, he’s just sick.
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I always say that he loves you very much, and so on, and so on, and so on.
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But somehow I need to convey to them that at this moment in time, he is simply not safe. This is the only way I can protect them. And that’s all.
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Well, whether they understand it or not now, I think they will understand in the future anyway. I have no choice. It seems to me that you have a very strong anchor that you can always cling to.
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It’s your responsibility for your children. And this anchor always outweighs any pity, any gratitude for the years lived, or any other feeling for any man for any mother. Well, you understand that this is relative in any country; it's simply criminal. They
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simply take the children away and don't give them back until the person has completely changed their state, not in a month or two, but in years, and has proven, according to a court decision, that they are completely competent,
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sane, and not in any altered state. Yes. Well, now I have to do just that.
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I'm saying, I have no other choice now. If, I'm saying, before this, well, I believed that he would really cope, that this wouldn't happen again, then now I can't take that risk anymore.
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Well, I'm saying, plus I wasn't there. I mean, if I've been in situations before, uh, and when you see it with your own eyes, meaning you can protect the children yourself, it feels a little different than when you're in a
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completely different country and completely helpless. They're calling and crying, and you just can't do anything. On the reality show, you revealed some really interesting information about your eldest daughter.
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You said that from the age of 12 or 13, we went through some really terrible periods, including suicide attempts.
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Yeah. And suicide attempts. Oh, my God, what haven't we been through? Well, it's a nightmare.
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It also had to do with what she saw. Yes, Maria is, of course, a super-broken child. And because of the Denisovs, among other things. Well, I don't want to blame him, but it's just a fact. Because of what she saw,
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because of what was happening before her eyes. And plus, when she hit that teenage stage, that teenage puberty, it wasn't that he didn't support her, it was as if he actually developed some kind of rejection towards her. Well,
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that was just the most intense. I know that this happens. And it's even considered normal. But he put a lot of pressure on her. I mean, a lot. So, he really didn't accept her. At first, I kind of withdrew a little, you know,
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and it was hard for me to watch her changes and everything, but then I quickly came to my senses and realized that I had to support her, and Denis didn't. So, he just kind of withdrew from her and that was it. Naturally,
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when we lived in the same house, they still ran into each other, and he would always throw something unpleasant at her. Well, naturally, that made her feel, well, unpleasant about her appearance or...Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, naturally, against this background, she has even
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more self-loathing, even more eating disorders and a bunch of all these teenage problems, and yes, she's had suicide attempts. Have you thought about how you're going to talk to your children about their dad?
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After all, this conversation about addictions, about the courts, about how you're going to review the court decision, and so on, is inevitable. How are you going to explain what happened to dad?
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Well, again, it all depends on the children's age. There, Ara doesn't need anything explained, yes, she understands everything perfectly.
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Whether it's difficult to explain or super-empathetic, she also feels very sorry for her dad. She understands perfectly well what's happening, and it happened, and she saw everything, of course, being with him, but she feels very sorry for him. So, here, too, it's
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super complicated. I don't know how I'll cope, well, I just don't know. Maya was also very traumatized last time, and it seems perfectly understandable for her. It's even as if , like Ari, she doesn't even need explanations. She's also very upset
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with him and doesn't want to talk to him. And so on and so forth. Well, Davidka is little, I don't know at all whether there's any point in having such conversations with him now, maybe a little later. Well, he'll probably
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ask. I don't know, Ksyukha, I don't know. I don't want to further traumatize the children, but I will have to, and will have to, explain somehow.
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How do you envision the ideal picture of your relationship with your dad in a year, in two?
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Just for him to be treated at Rehab, to be enlightened there, to realize what he's done. Then, after a while, let's say, he comes with an apology, like, " Look, I was wrong there, but I won't continue to communicate with him." Well
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, just so that for him, the situation would be that he would be treated, continue the treatment, then visit there, even if he leaves the rehab constantly, well, he would also visit, you know, when you then do a check-up,
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yes, just to monitor. I feel like he caused you a lot of pain. Is that true?
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Yes. But even, well, for me, let's say, the most painful thing is when I see my children suffer. Well, my sisters because of this. I see that they see it , their psyches are crumbling, and I, it turns out, from childhood, saw how
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bad my mother felt because of this. Well, and basically, I'm kind of empathic and, naturally, well, and basically, I don't love myself very much, and therefore, basically, for me, the most important thing is not to save myself first, but to save everyone,
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well, all the loved ones who are close to me. So, well, yes, for me, the most painful thing was when I saw what was bad for loved ones, because of this, I probably have a lot of anger towards
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him specifically because he hurt my mother, and my sisters kind of suffered psychologically because of this, too.
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Well, and I remember that he was aggressive towards me too, when I was little. Well, in terms of just some random things, like with those drivers.
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Well, you understand what a shock it was. And I'm sure not only for me, but for everyone, because we all saw a completely different picture. A big, happy family. In this reality, he looks like a wonderful dad who was abandoned
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and who wants to keep the family together. Well, yes. Why do you think people in Russia love this image? He's such a funny guy, Dzhigan. Listen, partly it might be because it lowers the bar for you.
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You're like, "Well, I'm still okay, at least I don't do this and that." Maybe that's partly why. Maybe partly because when someone like that isn't a member of your family, it can be seen as entertainment. It's not like you're
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being killed, it's not like you're being shot. So, the people who watch this interview won't have experienced what we experienced anyway. And some of them will think it's just some kind of [ __ ], some kind of crap, and so on.
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Some, well, maybe, will take it well, but they'll still be watching from the outside. It's completely different.
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It's like someone else's movie, one in which you're not participating. That you'll never be able to forgive them for? But how much pain he caused my mother and sisters, because they all have a broken psyche. And basically, well, I'm saying, how much more did he
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cause my mother, but what about you personally? Well, I'm saying, that is, if he hurts my sisters or, well, it's just that you always, even now, talk about others, and I see that it's great that you're so protective of
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others, your family, but there's also you. I kind of love my mother very much . And I, I say, I'm empathetic. And I, well, I mean, if he was specifically, I mean, he was directly at me, but he was
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just aggressive at most, that is, some kind of, well, just little things. That is, he kind of, well, didn't touch me.
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Well, I'm just saying, he broke my psyche, he touched me. My psyche is completely broken. Well, that's how it is...Well, yes, that's what he did to me, like, because things were bad for my mother there, and that is, well,
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just the overall situation with me. So you realize this? Yes, of course. I, well, I'm saying, my psyche has been completely broken for a long time.
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You say that you're backed into a corner and you have no other option now but to protect your children. But the problem is that, seeing that you told the whole truth, he might also feel that he's backed into a corner and has
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nothing to lose. Uh-huh. Do you understand? Yes, I understand. You thought, well, that's why I didn't want to say anything. I mean, it was safer that way . And the fact that everyone there thought badly of me, that's less and
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more confusing. Now it will be extremely unsafe. I don't know what to do. When should he return from Israel?
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Well, ideally, the program lasts a year , but no one can keep him there by force. He is there of his own free will . If he decides he's had enough of treatment, he can come at any time.
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Can you describe to me the best-case scenario for how this whole thing ends, in your opinion? Here's your ideal scenario.
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My ideal scenario, what's coming out of our interview? Denis is watching it. Maybe thanks to this, he'll be able to see the situation from an outside perspective.
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I'm saying this because he lives in a world where everyone is to blame except him. He's not to blame for anything.
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You'll be the one to blame now, and so will I, Melon, and of course, all of you too. And maybe, God willing, he'll be able to see this through my eyes and yours, but I'm just scared and backed
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into a corner. I have no other option, because I know: if he comes back now, he will take the children from me and pretend that this is how it should be, everything is fine, and he will convince me and everyone around him
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that I can be trusted, I'm okay, this will never happen again-but I will resist and fight, and there will be terrible conflicts again, threats and everything else. Therefore, I hope that he will look at this situation, accept it as it has already developed and lost
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, he will finish his treatment and come out a completely different, new person, with new views and beliefs. People will all forgive him for everything, they will say: "Giga was great, he was just sick. Now he has recovered, he has
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started living with a clean slate. I will slowly be able to trust him with the children, and that's it, we would live long and happily. No one would want to kill me." That's the plan. You know him in different ways. This new
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person in this scenario will be able to accept your full custody of the children.
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New. I hope so. I hope so. But the old one definitely won't. But I don't even know what will happen. Well, death is real.
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I mean, it will be easier for him to kill me. So I hope he gets better, changes his worldview, looks at this whole situation from different angles, understands me, including understanding and admitting that he is a threat to
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his own children and that I'm not doing this to spite him, not to harm him. I don't want that under any circumstances . Simply because, well, I have no choice. Really, at this stage, I no longer have a choice. I have to protect
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myself, protect the children. He'll get better, come back and say: " Everything's okay, let me slowly see the children in the presence of security, someone else, someone else." I don't know how easy it is legally when you only have custody of one child
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. But you can still see the children. And little by little, we'll build a new , trusting relationship. Thank you.
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What needs to happen for you to start communicating with him? Nothing. Why? Because he's an inadequate drug addict. I couldn't believe it when I was counting everything. It's a shame, it's complicated. I'm telling you, I don't want him to feel bad or hurt. And
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I know, I see that you have such absolute compassion for him. Yes. I understood this from my mother, from her position, that she hid a lot, but it was clear that this was a person who, well, I say, God willing, if he cures
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him, everyone lives happily ever after, raising their children together in complete safety. That was the best possible outcome. Yes, really. That's the interview.
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