Presenting Dream Bus Tours New and Revised Interview (new beginning, middle and end).

[Music] Okay, I'm going to stop the video right there. So I had made a video for Nothing Media after they contacted me about Dream Bus Tours, and you can still watch it, but it shows what will look like a personal journey of seeking that ends up being completely untrue. If anything, blabbing on about a story muddies the waters because actually all there is is this seemingly happening, this animation apparently running, and an apparent but not a real viewer watching this at their computer, on their phone, or whatever. It's seemingly happening as a whole appearance. No one here and no one there. So now that said, watch an untrue tale. It was not true while it seemed to happen and certainly untrue and unfindable in the telling when all there is is this apparently happening, and it's only ever this apparently happening. So any message to a viewer is completely useless. Nevertheless, here is the untrue video presenting Dream Bus Tours and an untrue past. Hello, I'd like to present to you the series Dream Bus Tours. It's a, um, it's a story of Brilliant Boris, Benny McMe, and Boris McHugh, and they're searching for enlightenment, and they're taking the usual route that we have all taken. For this interview, I went digging into the archives and found this animation I did about 15 years ago of my past seeking. [Music] Ah. [Applause] [Music] [Music] Great Spirit Chief Fluffy Cloud has a message for you all from the other side. He says, he says, have a nice day. [Music] Enlightenment, me. [Music] [Music] Yes, I see it now. One day you will die. Huh? What? [Music] Hello. [Music] It was around about this time that I encountered the Ramana Maharshi lineage. I met some gurus in the Ramana image, and there was this massive awakening. Also, I thought one of those ones where you and the earth disappear and come back as one, and you're left with this sense of who you are is silent consciousness, and that the ground of being is consciousness, and you see others also as consciousness. But you know, maybe they have a few trances running, and it seemed helpful to help people wake up. I was then asked to teach, and so I traveled to Europe and the US running retreats, thinking that I was helping the world wake up. But then there was this guru sex scandal, and I decided to leave. I continued cartooning about consciousness but with an increasing suspicion that something wasn't quite right. And one day, serendipitously, I happened to watch a video on Tony Parsons, and there's no other way to describe this but everything just turned into love after that. You know, I immediately ordered all his books and flew across the globe to meet him. But I had books and a website with 700 cartoons on consciousness and enlightenment and exactly how to wake up to enlightenment. But Tony seemed to be saying that there was no you and no consciousness. That's just unheard of. You could have knocked me over with a feather. And then there was a lot of teeth gnashing and hair pulling because that was the opposite of satsang and the non-duality that I felt I knew. And this was swiftly followed up with the torture of flipping a lot between me and being. [Music] In every way, it was so fundamentally different from the usual story where you sit up on the platform with your beloved guru. You know, you discover your consciousness is the same as the guru, and it's the same awareness as one person, and this is your true self, and you're filled with love and bliss, and you want to share that enlightenment with everyone. And here's someone saying consciousness is only a dreamt reality, so it's pointless trying to even capture this person's conscious awareness or experience for yourself because there isn't one, and it leaves nothing that is required for everything to be as it is. [Music] So here's the me. I live here in time, and all I'm aware of is me and my perspective. From this perspective, it seems as if there is a subjective experience that I am feeling. This is made up though. The brain can't see or hear or experience anything. It just reads code from the senses, and the data flows in so fast that it creates a scenario as if it was a flight simulator in full immersion. There is even a sense of a pilot in here that would be me, except that I'm not really here, nor is there a real pilot in anyone else's brain. Neuroscientists have said that while the brain is like a flight simulator, there is no pilot in the cockpit. It's when you combine the proprioceptive sense of balance with the sensors bringing an external vision that you have full immersion in what seems like a someone in the cockpit who lives in here. And because the pilot seems to live in space and time and in a location of in here, that it projects space and time and a location out there as well. It's very good for survival. Only problem is that there is no real pilot. This here is an artificial dreamt reality, and sometimes this dreamt-up pilot thinks its true self is consciousness. Ah, I'm not the pilot with a whole lot of problems. I'm the light of consciousness that I appear in. And then this pilot, which isn't here, takes a mighty leap in its thinking and says, I am not a pilot with problems. I am this. I am eternal. I am one with God. But consciousness is simply a function. This here is the illusory and transparent interface upon which knowledge appears, and that's all. Unfortunately, you can't just tell the dreamt-up pilot it only lives in a dream as a way to end this artificial reality as a dreamt reality. I can't access the brain's projector and turn it off, nor can I as the pilot wake up and go, ah, I am the illusion. I'm enlightened. Nor can I say I'm not here. Saying that just seems to reconfirm that I'm here. If you say there is no pilot, the brain runs it through its data and finds it an impossible thing to compute, especially when the dreamt-up pilot adds to its sense of survival. So you can't convince a dreamt-up pilot that it isn't real. Telling that it isn't real seems to confirm its very reality. And when the me seems like it is here, well, that's just what's apparently happening. A dream is occurring. There can there be a resonance when you hear that the pilot in here isn't real because, well, the pilot isn't real or in here, and it can seemingly die, leaving an appearance of a functioning brain but no dreamt-up pilot living in time and space and projecting time and space out there, which leaves just what is as an apparent appearance of wholeness with no artificial separate observer. Without the artificially dreamt observer, it becomes obvious that there is only what is and nothing other than what is, and that this what-is-ness is completely blind to itself and is completely without knowledge. The dilemma is there when the dreamt observer wants to know it is dreamt up, which is impossible, but it seeks it anyway. And there is the added befuddlement when it's linked with tales of enlightenment, spirituality, and awareness as a possible solution. And I've put this whole dilemma into Dream Bus Tours, where Billy and Boris are seeking out the absolute, and as you'll see, they are seeking with awareness, which is like looking for the dark with a flashlight, and so all they can see is light, even though everything is dark or everything is already the absolute as it is. It's the artificial reality of a me consciousness that creates this great divide between what is in the absolute, believing itself to be a conscious being. It naturally thinks that it's true self. Once it's still in silent will mean you can float off to a magnificent experience of the absolute. [Music] Instead, there's no use. There's no awareness. There's no absolute. There's no nonduality. It turns the whole idea of an awake enlightened consciousness on its head. It is a little sad to discover that you've been searching with your awareness going within, and you've really just had your head up your own backside the whole time, and with such sincere earnestness. Not that any of it could be any different. Throughout Dream Bus Tours, we often find Mr. Non-Jewel at the This Changes Everything bar where there is a neon cube flashing the...

journey of seeking that ends up being completely untrue if anything blabbing on about a story muddies the waters because actually all there is is this seemingly happening this animation apparently running and an apparent but not a real viewer watching this at their computer on their phone or whatever it's

seemingly happening as a whole appearance no one here and no one there so now that said watch an untrue tale it was not true while it seemed to happen and certainly untrue and unfindable in the telling when all there is is this

apparently happening and it's only ever this apparently happening so any message to a viewer is completely useless nevertheless here is the untrue video presenting dream bus tours and an untrue past hello i'd like to present to you the series dream bus tours

it's a um it's a story of brilliant boris benny mcme and boris mchugh and they're searching for enlightenment and they're taking the usual route that we have all taken for this interview i went digging into the archives and found this

animation i did about 15 years ago of my past seeking [Music] ah [Applause] [Music] [Music] great spirit chief fluffy cloud has a message for you all from the other side he says he says have a nice day [Music]

enlightenment me [Music] [Music] yes i see it now one day you will die huh what [Music] hello [Music] it was around about this time that i encountered the ramana maharshi lineage i met some gurus in the ramana image and there was this massive awakening also i

thought one of those ones where you and the earth disappear and come back as one and you're left with this sense of who you are is silent consciousness and that the ground of being is consciousness and you see others also as consciousness

but you know maybe they have a few trances running and it seemed helpful to help people wake up i was then asked to teach and so i traveled to europe and the us running retreats thinking that i was helping the world wake up but then there was this guru sex scandal and i

decided to leave i continued cartooning about consciousness but with an increasing suspicion that something wasn't quite right and one day serendipitously i happened to watch a video on tony parsons and there's no other way to describe this but everything just turned into love after

that you know i immediately ordered all his books and flew across the globe to meet him but i had books and a website with 700 cartoons on consciousness and enlightenment and exactly how to wake up to enlightenment but tony seemed to be

saying that there was no you and no consciousness that's just unheard of you could have knocked me over with a feather and then there was a lot of teeth gnashing and hair pulling because that was the opposite of satsang and the non-duality that i felt i knew

and this was swiftly followed up with the torture of flipping a lot between me and being [Music] in every way it was so fundamentally different from the usual story where you sit up on the platform with your beloved guru

you know you discover your consciousness is the same as the guru and it's the same awareness as one person and this is your true self and you're filled with love and bliss and and you want to share that enlightenment with everyone and

here's someone saying consciousness is only a dreamt reality so it's pointless trying to even capture this person's conscious awareness or experience for yourself because there isn't one and it leaves nothing that is required for everything to be as it is [Music]

so here's the me i live here in time and all i'm aware of is me and my perspective from this perspective it seems as if there is a subjective experience that i am feeling this is made up though the brain can't see or

hear or experience anything it just reads code from the senses and the data flows in so fast that it creates a scenario as if it was a flight simulator in full immersion there is even a sense of a pilot in here that would be me

except that i'm not really here nor is there a real pilot in anyone else's brain neuroscientists have said that while the brain is like a flight simulator there is no pilot in the cockpit it's when you combine the

proprioceptive sense of balance with the sensors bringing an external vision that you have full immersion in what seems like a someone in the cockpit who lives in here and because the pilot seems to live in space and time and in a location

of in here that it projects space and time and a location out there as well it's very good for survival only problem is that there is no real pilot this here is an artificial dreamt reality and sometimes this dreamt up pilot

thinks its true self is consciousness ah i'm not the pilot with a whole lot of problems i'm the light of consciousness that i appear in and then this pilot which isn't here takes a mighty leap in its thinking and says i am not a pilot

with problems i am this i am eternal i am one with god but consciousness is simply a function this here is the illusory and transparent interface upon which knowledge appears and that's all unfortunately you can't just tell the

dreamt up pilot it only lives in a dream as a way to end this artificial reality as a dreamt reality i can't access the brain's projector and turn it off nor can i as the pilot wake up and go ah i am the illusion i'm enlightened nor

can i say i'm not here saying that just seems to reconfirm that i'm here if you say there is no pilot the brain runs it through its data and finds it an impossible thing to compute especially when the dreamt up pilot adds to its

sense of survival so you can't convince a dreamt up pilot that it isn't real telling that it isn't real seems to confirm its very reality and when the me seems like it is here well that's just what's apparently happening a dream is

occurring there can there be a resonance when you hear that the pilot in here isn't real because well the pilot isn't real or in here and it can seemingly die leaving an appearance of a functioning brain but no dreamt up pilot

living in time and space and projecting time and space out there which leaves just what is as an apparent appearance of wholeness with no artificial separate observer without the artificially dreamt observer it becomes obvious that there is only what is and nothing other than what is

and that this what is-ness is completely blind to itself and is completely without knowledge the dilemma is there when the dreamt observer wants to know it is dreamt up which is impossible but it seeks it anyway and there is the added befuddlement when

it's linked with tales of enlightenment spirituality and awareness as a possible solution and i've put this whole dilemma into dream bus tours where billy and boris are seeking out the absolute and as you'll see they are seeking with

awareness which is like looking for the dark with a flashlight and so all they can see is light even though everything is dark or everything is already the absolute as it is it's the artificial reality of a me

consciousness that creates this great divide between what is in the absolute believing itself to be a conscious being it naturally thinks that it's true self once it's still in silent will mean you can float off to a magnificent

experience of the absolute [Music] instead there's no use there's no awareness there's no absolute there's no nonduality it turns the whole idea of an awake enlightened consciousness on its head it is a little sad to discover that you've been searching with your

awareness going within and you've really just had your head up your own backside the whole time and with such sincere earnestness not that any of it could be any different throughout dreambus tours we often find mr non-jewel at the this changes everything bar where there is a neon

cube flashing the two views of an optical illusion that perfectly highlight the two views of non-duality so in this view you see a dark blue box sitting on the floor in the corner of two walls and we tend to relate to

being the box in the corner separate from our environment and there with our own consciousness and the cube is a little box sitting in a corner represents the non-dual teaching or satsang whereby there is a you who needs

to or you know would be able to do something to realize or attain oneness when we look through a spiritual duality lens we see people as separate and there's needing to you know at least do something spiritual to attain a more awake awareness and this list of what they need to do

becomes endless and through this same lens we see others as having attained a wondrous enlightened awareness and these people we think we need to bow down to you know because oneness resides inside them as a person but the second view of

this optic illusion and the other view of non-duality is that there is only one cube representing wholeness and there isn't actually a smaller box in the corner representing a separate u where it was thought to be a box turns out to

be nothing no box is therefore separate from the whole cube because it wasn't there in the first place so there isn't someone in the corner who can do anything especially anything spiritual because there isn't anyone and where there seemed to be a person separate from

oneness just turns out to be no one no one to teach to no one to receive a teaching knowing to receive enlightened awareness how can an unenlightened box in the corner even become an enlightened box in the corner and a box in the

corner turns out not to be there it is then so funny that all these teachers of non-duality and satsang are actually teaching duality it turns out they're the ones looking at you through the lens of duality and thinking that you need to do something to become oneness

[Music] it's funny but i taught the same thing i was a jeweler's teacher thinking i was pointing people to non-duality a message can't be offered there isn't a message that anyone can receive and just to go back to the brain again that feeling of

presence is determined by the number of sensory inputs to the brain that's all in the end that is all that's apparently happening as a seamless whole it isn't a veil that obscures a hidden truth and needs to be gotten rid of it's just

what's apparently happening it doesn't mean there is someone in here because there never is an actual someone in here a feeling or the energy of presence doesn't confirm a someone it's just confirming an appearance of what's happening but for no one and it does then seem ludicrous how some

non-duality teachings point to presence as leading to a purer divine presence when all it leads to is an attempt for a non-existent pilot to have a still and silent interface in the brain as if that would make the non-existent pilot

enlightened and able to transmit enlightenment to other non-existent pilots they are after an experience of purity and divine knowledge of the absolute when neither the pilot or the absolute exist whereas this non-message of non-duality simply points out that there is no one

to receive a message because there's no one behind the veil of the sense of presence there is no one in here so even if it seems as if there is a someone watching this video and it feels like there is a sense of presence that sense

of presence is happening for no one no one is in there nothing that seemingly happens ever does actually confirm a you it is just what's happening and just as there is no one behind this sense of presence there isn't an absolute or a

knowledge or something behind this appearance there is just this appearance nothing hidden no you no hidden reality behind this appearance of reality and now just to return to the story i was also teaching 101 exercises on how to use therapy to wake up to your true self

which turns out to be an exercise in futility worse it keeps alive the sense of being a being with its own consciousness who needs to have an awake whole consciousness that's the dream the dream of being a conscious being

[Music] nothing helps nothing helps wholeness nothing helps a dream seeker who turns out not to be there and that can be the most fantastic wonderful news or can just be adding to the worst dilemma possible although it is only an apparent

dilemma and poor billy and boris do all the seeking i think many of us have tried and meet many of the teachers in the seekers circuit even though it turns out there is no billion boris and all those teachers advocating for personal

enlightenment are just what's apparently appearing with no free will or real and separate selves anywhere just what is and what is has no knowledge of an apparent you or me or an apparent dilemma [Music] you