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Charlie Kirk debates abortion, gender identity, and rights at Boise State University in a lively Q&A session.
Key Takeaways
- Charlie Kirk strongly opposes abortion and equates it to murder, emphasizing life begins at conception.
- He distinguishes between sex and gender, supporting the view that gender identity is subjective.
- Kirk defends his stance as protecting constitutional rights rather than taking rights away.
- The discussion highlights polarized views on LGBT issues and gender-affirming care.
- The event reflects a contentious atmosphere with active audience participation and debate.
What the video covers
- Charlie Kirk introduces a less-lethal launcher product before engaging with Boise State audience.
- The discussion covers controversial topics including abortion rights, gender identity, and constitutional rights.
- Kirk debates the definition of human life and when it begins, emphasizing conception as the start.
- Audience members challenge Kirk on his stance regarding gender-affirming care and LGBT rights.
- The abortion debate includes arguments about exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother.
- Kirk argues that abortion is equivalent to murder and stresses the right to life for all human beings.
- The conversation touches on social and political issues such as popular vote, political figures, and cultural values.
- Kirk addresses accusations of taking away rights and frames his position as protecting human rights.
- The dialogue includes references to historical color associations and socialization related to gender.
- The event is characterized by back-and-forth exchanges with audience interruptions and applause.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Product Pitch
- 05:25Opening Remarks and Audience Interaction
- 11:00Gender Identity and Definitions
- 18:24Abortion Debate and Human Life Discussion
- 26:39Audience Challenges and Rights Discussion
- 35:59Political Commentary and Social Issues
- 45:20Economic and Social Class Commentary
- 55:20Audience Q&A and Closing Remarks
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A lot of energy today. Great to see you guys. You know how it works.
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I'm out of breath after that. If you disagree, go to the front of the line.
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Are we at elevation or something? My goodness. Um, you disagree, go to the front of the line. We'll have a great chat. And, uh, great to be here at Boise State University. Go Broncos, everybody.
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First question coming up. Charlie. Charlie. If you were 5 inches in Elon Musk and Trump was 5 inches in you, which way are you moving?
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Which way are you moving? Charlie, is that your question? That is my question. If you were 5 in in Elon Musk and Trump was 5 in you, which way are you moving?
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Thank you for your question. Which way? These are the pressing matters we want to know answers to. Charlie, you waited in line to ask that question.
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All right. Charlie. [Applause] And they wonder why they lost the popular vote in November, right?
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They have these looking things coming up on skateboards. What is it, Charlie? You see, I got another super fan right there. You want to come up here? No, you're too afraid.
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Got it. Okay, next question. Is that— Wait, we got another. That's a sign of endearment in most cultures. Come on up.
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You got something to say? Say it. Oh, come on up. Can I get you?
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So, why do you care so much about other individuals living their lives? What is affecting you? Do you have something up your ass or something?
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Well, I could throw that right back at you. Why do you care so much about what I have to say?
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Because you're affecting other people's rights. You're taking away people's choices. You are hurting people.
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Read the Constitution. Um, what rights am I taking away exactly? You're trying to take away gender-affirming care for individuals. You are affecting abortion rights. You are hurting people.
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Got it. So, what is a woman? What is a woman? It's what people identify as. Gender is different. Sex is different. Sex is different from gender.
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So, uh, can anyone be a woman? Yes. Um, at what point do you know you're looking at a woman?
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Doesn't matter. When you are looking at a woman, you don't have to look at a woman and immediately tell. Can you tell looking at a baby what gender they are without looking at their privates? Tell me that.
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Sometimes. Sometimes. What about that baby is different? But, but hold on. By the time they're six months old, you can actually tell. A young boy tends to gravitate more towards balls and remotes.
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That's because gender-affirming—that is convincing individuals at a young age. You are socializing, putting them in situations where they want certain different things. Let's look at—[Applause] So, let's say you were a little kid and your parents taught you to like pink.
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Let's actually look back in time. Pink actually used to be a male color instead of blue.
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[Music] What world? Actually, in the 1920s. Um, so, so you say that I'm here to take people's rights away. That is your main contention.
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Yes. Because you are affecting the LGBT. You are affecting women's rights. If I was pregnant—oh, wait. Let's go back to this. Abortion is anything. If I had a cyst on my uterus, that would be considered an abortion.
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No, it's not. Yes, it is. No. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Look at—Okay. Anything that is evolving the uterus.
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Well, no. Uh, in order for it to be an abortion, it must be a human life.
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No. Anything that is evolving the uterus and you have to get rid of it, it is considered abortion.
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No. No. No. That's not how—that's not how it works. So, so again, you say, "I'm here to take rights away." Do you agree life is a right? I feel like if it's a clump of cells, then it's not.
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Like—No, no, no. But let's go back. Do you think every human being has a right to life?
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Depending on how many weeks. But let's—So wait, hold on. Who's trying to take rights away? I want to protect the rights of all human beings. You call them a clump of cells. Who's trying to take rights away? Example. Exactly.
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So when is it a human being in your mind? When is it a human being in your mind?
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Well, it's not even on my mind. Human development objectively begins at conception. At conception. So even if I had a miscarriage, what are you going to say about that?
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It's a tragedy. It's a tragedy. Okay. Then let's talk about like what if it's affecting the woman or anybody who is pregnant in this situation? What if they're going to die and they have to get an abortion? That's
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the only way they're going to live. Are they going to be over? Well, hold on. Just so we're clear.
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That's only a couple thousand cases a year. And so yes, it—Have you seen how many individuals have already died because they haven't been able to get abortion?
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Abortion in the life of the mother can be put aside as something that needs to be considered. However, it's not always necessary. But let's talk about the main thing because there's over 1.5 million abortions every single year that don't
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involve rape, incest, or life of the mother. 1.5 million. But let's just ask you a very simple question.
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When—when does human life begin? When does human life, in my personal opinion, is going to start around the second trimester, a little more farther along. But let's get to this. Most individuals that are having abortions are going to be mothers that cannot
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afford it. They usually have already two to three kids and a lot of time. So—So it's acceptable to be able to murder your young if all of a sudden you don't have the money to support them. That you
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can—you can murder your offspring if you're poor. So in the first couple weeks, even though it's still not fully developed, doesn't even have a heartbeat, does it even have development does not equal dignity. A human being is a human being regardless
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of the process of development that it is in. Period. And so who's trying to take rights away?
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I actually want more human beings to—Why are you affecting the LGBT? Well, hold on. We're talk—
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Let's—Let me finish on abortion. I want more human lives, which by the way, hilariously, would be more women would actually would be born because the right to life is paramount. You're trying to take rights away because you're okay with the
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massacring of little humans. Back to LGBT. It's been going throughout history though. Abortion has been a big thing for a long time and it affects people and it hurts people.
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So has murder and slavery and child sacrifice. There's been—that's completely different. No, it is murder.
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Say slavery to abortion. Okay. So let me ask you a question then. Define what is murder.
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What is murder? Are you going to be talking about first-degree murder like homicide? Like going and having the intent to kill a person, having the intent to kill somebody, but I'm just saying a clump of human. Yeah, but a clump of cells is different.
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Hold on. Time out. If it's a clump of cells, what species is it? What species is it?
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What species? It depends. One's going to be pregnant. Whatever you're trying to—Is it a homo sapien, a crocodile, or a raccoon? Which one is it?
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What species? So if it's a human clump of cells, then it's a human life deserving of human rights.
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And the first right is life. And so you could call it a clump of cells, which is dehumanizing language. But I'll go back to this. Ironically, you're the one that is actually intruding on human rights.
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We're the one protecting human rights. You're trying to get rid of the option so people can have rights to their own body. If s
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If the Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If we're going to be doing this, what are you going to do about the children in the um the systems that have been being assaulted, that are being hurted? Put more money into the system so people can
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actually get adopted or actually other things like that. Okay. Again, none of that is relevant.
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No, because you want more babies to be born. What about people that can't afford them? They have to go into systems.
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How h how many people are on the adoption waiting list? Yeah. Want to know how many kids actually get adopted? million people that go into systems or are being adopted that get hurt. Are you going to be helping those children that get over
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by this system? So there are there are 2 million people on the adoption waiting list. There are a million abortions every year. There are twice as many people that want to adopt than discarded children every single year. Now I have to go back to a
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fundamental question though which I think is very important. Human development objectively begins at conception. You say it's around two trimesters. Can we agree that every human being once your DNA is formed, you should have the right to life, the right
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to live the life the way you want to live it. Can we agree on that?
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How many weeks are we saying? No. I say again once once it be once once the sperm is inside the egg.
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Correct. Yeah. No. No. Once the sperm inside the egg in the first like couple of days. No.
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Well, okay. But let's go through that. Isn't that when your DNA was formed? Yeah, but then aren't you fundamentally at its c at its core, you are the DNA is your blueprint for your life. That's who you are. It's a unique marker.
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It's my DNA. Yeah. Yes. So, if it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?
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Why is it my choice? Yes. If it's not your DNA, why do you have a choice to eliminate it? I don't It's up to the individual that is having them inside of it is their body. I don't care if it is like a few weeks because
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that is not a human life yet because of rape that individual cannot survive without the mother or who is ever pregnant. Therefore, again, so let's get down to this cuz I think it's very important and a good way
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to end this question which is outside of rape, how did the woman get pregnant outside of rape? So, we're not going to be talking about incest or other individuals like that because incest is not only just rape or other situations.
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If I How about if I say let's talk about how things that get mixed up in How about if I say how about if I say I'm okay with abortion for rape, incest, and life of the mother. Let's make it
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illegal in the other circumstances. Would you agree? How are we going to be able to term that all the time though? Because what if it wasn't consensual? What if that individual was drunk, but they're married and they got raped? You can get a rape.
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Again, you keep on interrupting me, but you can report rape as a crime. You can also do a blood test to find out if it's incest. But 99.9% of all abortions are not rape and not incest and not life not
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life of the mother. How did that woman get pregnant in those c situations? Did she just walk through campus and it just appeared and all of a sudden a baby is in her uterus or did she do something to
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decide to potentially have a child? Sex. But also contraceptives sometimes don't always work. So but but hold on a second.
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Shouldn't you take responsibility for your orgasms? I don't think most men can make me come.
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Am I going to be honest? Oh, okay. Well, again, out outside of that statement, um, I'm not even sure how to take that, to be honest.
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You brought up orgasms. Okay. Shouldn't you take responsibility for the sex that you have?
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I mean, if I was wanting to have a child and my contraceptives, I didn't use any contraceptives and I wanted to get pregnant, sure, I'm taking responsibility for that life because I wanted that life. But let's say I was
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use having sex and my contraceptives didn't work and I got the chance of getting pregnant. I am not having that child.
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So, but you still decided to have sex. You and again our our opinion when you go and decide having sex is not something you need to survive. It's not like showering or eating or shelter. You can live without having sex. You can
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have a little bit of self-control. If you decide to go have sex, you should understand you play certain games, you win certain prizes, which might be another human life. And it is the most up another child, though.
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Hold on a second. Then don't go have sex. No. Oh, so you understand how narcissistic that is that I want to keep on having fun and if I have a human being and oopsy daisy, I'm going to eliminate that
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other human being cuz I don't want to have the human being, but I want to keep on having free sex. How is that not the most narcissistic worldview that one can possibly espouse?
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It's narcissistic that I want to have sex with another consenting individual just because I don't want to have children. I feel like a lot of people in the world have sex. I think a lot of people make money off of having sex and
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they don't want to have children. I feel like it is something that everybody do.
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A lot of people have sex just for pleasure. Again, just because a lot of people do it does not make it right. Number one.
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Number two, again, fundamentally your view is I'm going to do whatever I want to do and if it if it creates other human beings, so be it. Sure.
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Do you have sex just to have a baby every single time then? Or are you doing it for pleasure?
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I I am married and we have two kids, too. So, I'm pretty good at having I'm assuming that you have had sex more than twice in your life, not just give you an inside look into my sex life. But,
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but you're doing it for pleasure, not just to have kids. Well, again, we we actually always do it with God's trust that if we get kids, it's a blessing.
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Okay? And we do it in the marital context. Again, you also are in a position where you can afford to have children. You are in a position where you are not the lower class.
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How about this? How about we have the maturity and the sophistication again? You keep on using words children and baby. Let me ask you ask you a question.
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When someone is celebrating a pregnancy, do they call it a clump of cell shower or a baby shower? That's also when it's already been past those weeks.
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Oh, so it magically gets pixie dust. You're a human being now. No, cuz it develops.
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Oh, exactly. Cuz it's all around the spectrum of human development. And human development starts at conception.
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Yeah. Is it going to be completely developed at the first week? No. You're not completely developed right now. A lot of people are going to be You're never going to be completely developed.
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It's like you are not completely developed at age 30 or 40. The spectrum of human development keeps on going when you go deep and deep into your life. The question is the most important question.
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When does that journey begin? That journey begin like when did your process of development begin?
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My process of development? Yes. Yeah. At conception. Every person in this audience, your life started at conception. and your own DNA from your eye color to your hair color to your height from your likes and your dislikes whether you're an introvert or
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an extrovert all of that was coded into your deoxyorbo nucleic acid at the moment that you were a zygote and so that human deserves constitutional and human rights and again you came up here with the accusation saying I am here
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taking away people's rights you are again so I you are affecting LGBT rights and abortion rights who are affecting individual v individuals that can't always speak for themselves.
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Got it. So again, we we I think we have gone through this plenty of times. I want to get to the next question.
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Okay. But I may may maybe maybe we can get maybe we can get to some burn it.
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You'll burn it. Okay. Maybe we can get to some approximation of an agreement. Can we agree?
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No. Oh, okay. Bye. Can we agree on I I I will pray for you this Holy Week.
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Thank you for your time. Please don't ever pray for me. [Applause] All right. Um very lively campus here at Boise State, right? I got to love it.
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Good stuff. Uh disagreements can go to the front of the line or whomever wants.
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Yeah. Anyone? We got some other Hi, Charlie. Nice to meet you. I'm Tyler Phely. Um, I got the most anticipated question of the evening today.
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Do you think Ashton Genty was robbed of the Heisman? Yes. Yes. Travis Hunter did not deserve the Heisman.
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It's true. I just speak the truth. I just speak the truth. Hey, love you, Charlie. Can I get a mag?
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Yes absolutely. [Applause] [Music] All right. Who's up? How's it going, Chuck? Good to see you. Uh, long time fan.
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Really huge fan. Massive fan. You want to say it one more time? Big fan of you, Chuck. Uh, I know we all are. Uh, I had one question for you. I was wondering if you would stack donuts on it and how many you could do.
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Scared of the mic. Thank you for your time. Thank you for yours. They they they wait in line for just the vulgarity. Again, exhibit C of why uh of why we won.
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Okay. Again, this is why no one should give money to Boise State. They're just producing this these garbage social leftwing activists. Just ridiculous.
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How you doing, Charlie? I'm Dylan. Nice to meet you. Um I'm a proud Catholic, Hispanic American, and former turning point US member at Utah Tech. I agree with you on a lot of topics like the Second Amendment, traditional values,
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and standing up to stuff like white liberal ideology and their agenda. But you're going to disagree on Israel.
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No, economics specifically. I recently went to the Bernie Sanders rally even I know you guys don't like him. I didn't f I didn't fit into the crowd, but I agree with him when it comes to economics. I don't support any of his
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social stuff, but what he said about the rural working class hit home. In rural Idaho and other parts of America I've lived in, people are drowning in medical debt, working two jobs, falling behind when billionaires keep winning. You say
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universal healthcare is socialism, but countries like Poland, Hungary, Croatia are socially conservative, pro- family, pro border, and still manage to support their people with healthcare and better wages. So how do you defend American economic system that leaves behind
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workingclass conserved people for this movement you claim to fight for? Fine. Fine. Great question. So in Idaho, would you say that you guys have some native reservations in Idaho, right?
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Yes. Would you say that they have great healthare? No. They have universal healthare paid for by the taxpayer. Do you think the VA is a good model for how healthare should work?
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No. That is universal. Think about it. The VA is government doctors paid for by taxpayers. Any VA can any veteran can go. The VA is the least favorable health care in in the entire country. And it is universal healthcare. So you need to
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tell me why you think we should have more of Native American reservation healthcare and more VA healthcare because that's what Bernie Sanders wants. So make your case.
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Uh I basically just want universal healthare for the VA. So don't interrupt him, please.
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Like you want more health care like the VA. It doesn't work. There are waiting lines. The quality of care is very low.
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The complaints are through the roof. Bernie Sanders wants our entire health care system look like the VA. Defend it.
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I'm just saying that I'm not I'm not asking for like I know UK and Canada have super long lines in their healthare system universal.
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No, no. It's not even abstract. I'm talking about the V the VA is a real American example. It's not about the Canada. It's not about the UK.
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I think it should be reformed. No, no, forget the reform. The VA has hundreds of billions of dollars of funding. It's taxpayer funded. The veteran pays nothing. They go there and it's all paid for. That's what Bernie Sanders wants and it's largely a
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catastrophe. So, show me and tell the American people why we should do more of that.
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I think we should have a new system though. Okay. But it's not a new system. Bernie Sanders wants the VA for everybody. But I want you to know what you're advocating for when you say that you want Bernie Sanders healthcare. You want
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the VA. Okay, here's what we want. We want, of course, more competition, price vouchers, want the hospital opt, but honestly, we want to be able for you guys to choose the doctor of your choosing to be able to say, you know
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what, I don't want to have to take six vaccines when I walk into this doctor. I want medical freedom where in the VA or in a government run hospital, you must take those vaccines. There are no exceptions.
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I do believe in some type of privatized healthcare. But I think Well, then you don't believe what Bernie believes. The government should support that. But the more people by the government you mean the taxpayer. So then therefore you mean
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higher taxes for working people because every time socialism is is tried every time it is taxes on more working people.
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He might say it's more taxes on billionaires. He might say it's more tax on the rich. It's every day carpenters welders police officers and people that work their hands that end up paying more. I'm starting to be a CNC
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manufacturer. Great. And Bernie Sanders will raise your taxes. That's the fact. And you know what Donald Trump is fighting for right now? And Bernie Sanders doesn't have the courage to vote for it. No tax on tips. No tax on overtime.
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So let let's talk about you. No tax on overtime. What would that mean for your specific industry? A big big big income boost for your family. Massive, in fact.
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Yet Bernie Sanders won't even vote for the Trump tax bill that will have no no tax on over no tax on tips does sound good because I do also work as a bartender at a restaurant.
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So let me ask you a question. Hold. I got to put you on defense here. Last night at the Bernie Sanders rally, 12,000 people, did Bernie Sanders say once that we should have no tax on tips?
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No, I haven't heard that. Well, because he doesn't care for the working men. He cares about hating the rich. It's not about helping the poor.
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It's about smashing successful people, which is against everything we as Americans stand for. It is about, oh, we're going to fight the oligarchy by two people that have never built a business or signed the front of a paycheck in their entire life. AOC and
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Bernie Sanders. It's so easy to say, we're going to tax the rich. We're going to hate the rich person. Yet, who are the people that have the businesses, deploy the capital? Both can be equally true where the middle class grows and we
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respect capital flows. What Bernie Sanders wants and what he exhibits is a philosophy built on greed and envy and forced wealth redistribution.
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Yep. And the la other last question I was asked about is abortion. I have my own unique stance on it. I personally think only biological women should vote on abortion ballots.
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Yes, biological woman. Yeah, we would still get crushed. But no, I don't. If a majority vote for a complete total abortion ban, even if it's against rape, incest, the life of the mother, I would allow that. I'll be
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fine with that. Okay. I I I disagree. I mean, first of all, um the baby is half the man's as well. Let's let's remember that that fathers have rights that are forgotten in the abortion argument. Secondly, it's a public
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involved makes us look like we are the stuff that they say about toxic masculinity. That is to make us look like that.
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Who cares how it looks? We care about how things are and how it is. And to have like sex segregated ballot measures, I think is honestly really repulsive and offensive to what it means to live in a democratic constitutional
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republic. Small D democratic. Saying like only women can vote on abortion matters. That's like saying only men can vote on whether or not we should bring back the male only draft. Like no, that doesn't make any sense.
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Okay. Yeah. But that that's just how I feel as as someone who as abortion and I'm pro-life and a Catholic. That's just how I feel.
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But I want you and you came here in good faith. I want you to understand and study deeper how sinister Bernie Sanders economic philosophy is. He panders to people that quite honestly are suffering economically and promises them free
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stuff and that we're going to take away all the wealth from the rich people.
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It's not that simple and it's not that easy. And every time his philosophy is tried, it results in the degradation of a society, the downfall of innovation, the entrance into the second or the third world, and sometimes even outright
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murder in concentration camps and over 100 million people dead. Again, I have to get back to this. Who would you rather trust to design a prosperous economy?
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How do you know Donald Trump and Elon Musk are not just keeping money for themselves? They're both billionaires, too. But like, I'm just saying.
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See, but hold on. This is Let me ask you a very blunt question. Have you ever met a billionaire?
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No, I haven't. But hold on. How do you know how they think them? No. You've never met a billionaire. How do you know what they do?
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You don't history of Donald Trump. Hold on. No, forgot the history. Hold on. This is an important thing. It's easy to hate that which you don't know.
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It's easy to crap on those that you actually not talked to because that billionaire, let's take Albert sits for example that named your stadium.
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Albertson's employs tens of thousands of people in the state and good on them for doing it to make sure that you guys can get the groceries you need to feed your family. But guess what? He became a billionaire because of it. But you know
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what? He should become a billionaire for the people he employs and the risk that he took and also the good that that has done for this city and the charity that's been back to the community here.
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Let me talk to Donald Trump personally to see if you're not. You said billionaires. Again, I could go through Trump or Elon Musk, but how about the other? You You have Melanuca that's also that named the stadium. You
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go after billionaire after billionaire. You know what? You find someone that had a really good idea that was able to risk it all that probably employed over a 100,000 people and made a lot of other people rich. The question should never
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be, how do we take money away from people? That's easy. That's theft. You do that when you're 3 years old. The question that society has to answer instead is how do you create wealth?
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That is a much harder question. When you go visit subsaharan Africa, they're trying to figure that out. They wonder why we're able to have buildings as beautiful as this and why we're able to have, you know, the standard of living
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that we enjoy in America. And the answer is because we have market principles where entrepreneurs can take risks and are able to get a reward at the end of it. Now, should we ever get to a place where the middle class is shrinking to
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such a great degree? No. That's why Donald Trump's agenda is to first and foremost rebuild the American middle class, not necessarily pander to the elite interest. And let me close with this just as a point. The wealthiest counties in America almost all vote for
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Democrats and vote for Joe Biden. The Democrat party is a party of the permanent wealthy class where the Republican party I agree. I think both parties are but hold on but let me just it's you Bernie Sanders is a fraud and a fake
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because as he is talking about like fighting the oligarchy everything that he would do would crush innovation, crunch crush entrepreneurship and not actually help the American middle class.
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And this is why he refuses to stand with Donald Trump every time he does something good that would actually help middle class workers. Final thought.
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But that was true about Donald Trump. Rule towns wouldn't be dying. Donald Trump gave CAC touch the corporations that hired Goldman Sachs elites and didn't touch the wage system. The working class got slogans and sweets while the billionaires he called out got
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richer. That's not draining the swamp. That's filling it. When Trump was there for four years, rural America actually saw more wage gains than urban America for four years from Obama's economy from Okay, that's Hold on. That that you
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know that's rubbish man. And that's president inherits the commonly based on on on what president first of all that that's that's such an oversimplification sloppy and shallow analysis of how economics works. But most importantly and I think you can
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acknowledge this is that Donald Trump what he did in the first term we saw a bluecollar miracle a bluecollar boom.
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The people that worked in manufacturer saw their wages actually go up higher than the top 1%. And that is why bluecollar workers voted for Donald Trump so significantly this last election. That's why Trump is doing tariffs on China. Again, no tax on tips,
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no tax on overtime. And finally, you guys know that gas Democrats are super socially progressive and don't relate to the working class anymore.
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Gas prices won gas prices are going down dramatically. And you guys are going to see $310. I thought it would be $2 by now.
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There again, it depends on where you are in the country. But as far as Wex West Texas oil crude, it was at 75 bucks a barrel almost a week and a half ago. Now it's near $55 a barrel. Not sure where
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it is today, but let me just kind of close with this. It's easy and tempting.
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And I want to just caution you because you're a Catholic and a man of faith. I want you to pray about this and I want you to think about this. It's tempting to want to believe in socialism. It is a
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fact that socialism before you get to the second sentence, socialism violates two out of the ten commandments. Thou shalt not covet and thou shalt not steal.
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So what about the Eastern European countries that have this kind of socialist like Hungary, Poland?
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Yes, Hungary is very socially conservative and they have some socialist, you know, ideas. Let me ask you a question. Can you name a single Hungarian company?
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I don't know. Can you name a single Hungarian entrepreneur? Not heard of any. Can you name a single Polish entrepreneur?
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No, cuz I don't live in Poland though. this. No, no, hold on. But you can name Chinese companies and Japanese companies and Korean companies. The point being is this. Be careful when you indulge in the cheap money of socialism because all of
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a sudden you don't become very innovative. You don't lead the world in AI or tech or in the top companies. And so, yes, okay, yeah, we could redistribute the wealth and become a mediocre country where wages kind of
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stagnate. We're no longer a free society where people flock here to start businesses. I think that's radically dangerous. I think it's radically dangerous for us to compromise on a on a on a bedrock of mediocrity. There's some things Hungary likes that I do. There's
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something Poland likes that I do. But socialism at its core is this belief that the state will take care of you. We as conservatives believe first and foremost the family takes care of you and then the church and last case
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necessary than the state. Have a great Holy Week. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.
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Hi, Charlie and Aiden. Um, just want to start by prefacing a couple things. I'm sorry about those first couple people, especially the second one. That's like that's absurd.
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You don't have to apologize to me, but yeah. Well, I don't want that to be how we represent Boise State cuz that's not how I feel like we represent Boise State.
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So, um, and then just a couple other things. I'm just kind of getting into politics, but, um, I do have a disagreeing point and I wonder if you can fill fill me in on some things. So um as you know we get a lot of our
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imports from Canada like semiconductors, microchips, oil, Mexico, fruits and vegetables and you know pharmaceuticals from China.
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Avocados from Mexico. Avocados. There you go. Um I'm wondering if you think it's a good idea what Trump's doing in imposing all these tariffs at once. um rather than maybe taking a couple years to build factories and train workers to gradually uh
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improve domestic production. Um yeah, I just wondering your thoughts on that. First of all, we're in the midst of a 90-day pause. I think that was prudent.
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All of the tariff energy, in my opinion, should be focused on China. We are far too reliant on China. From lithium ion to rare earth minerals to vitamin C to vitamin D. We make no vitamin C in our
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own body. You need vitamin C literally to live. China has cornered the asorbic acid market which is vitamin C. All of the tariffs should eventually be focused on China. That I completely support.
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Canada, Mexico, we need better deals. We should not be relying on importing electricity from Canada. At any time they can shut you off. Now I fully acknowledge that a trade deficit in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Do you know what a trade deficit is bad? When that other country can shut you off from trading. That's really bad. And that's what the Chinese can do. You become a vassal state apparent. That's what they are doing right now. Right.
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Exactly. And so that proves the point actually that proves that we are too reliant on them. Rare Earth Minerals. We need to mine them again. We need to bring industrial manufacturing jobs back to this country which I'm very hopeful
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that we'll do. Just today we saw Toyota and Hyundai announce multi-billions of investment. Nvidia yesterday announced a $500 billion investment in the United States of America. Donald Trump has brought over $2 trillion of investments already back to this country and tariffs
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as a leverage tool are largely to thank for that. Yeah. Um, so then why have they kept getting paused and paused and paused and rethought over? What's the deal behind that? Why can't we just go through?
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Well, the Chinese ones are not paused. That's important. Understand that. So, the Chinese ones are not paused. The other ones are paused because the strategy, as we are now learning, was a shock and a strategy to get people to
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the table to show Vietnam, Japan, and South Korea, those are the three big ones in particular, that we mean business. Now, why does Vietnam matter?
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Vietnam matters because so many thousands of jobs millions of jobs left China and then went to Vietnam as a way to try to weaken China. And so in my opinion, I like tariffs tariffs the forcing function to bring people to the
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table. Yeah. Um I I see your point, but um when tariffs were uh created, the whole point of them was not just to make money and conduct business. It was to promote domestic production.
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Well, there's three that You're right. Sorry to interrupt. So there are two stated goals of tariffs. Trump has invented a third. So the first stated goal of a tariff is to create tax revenue so that the government can be
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funded. The the second of which is also kind of national security to protect industry.
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Yeah. Trump has invented a third. It's used as a negotiating tool. Unfortunately, well, I think it's actually fortunately.
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Look at how great these deals are that are going to be brokered. You'll see these countries would not be coming to the table nearly as fast or as focused if it wasn't for Trump slapping tariffs on them. So, thank you for your
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question. Do you want a hat? Uh yeah sure. Okay. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.
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Thank you. [Applause] Hello. Hi. All right. No problem. Hello, Charlie. I am Miles Humphre from Venice Beach, California. Yes, I am Satan incarnate of Idaho. But personally for me, I don't really identify based on state lines. I identify myself as an
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American. And that shows just how uh personally for me how we are very inclusive in nature based beyond dividing lines of states but rather the dividing lines of a nation. I believe in strong borders. I believe in borders and
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the natural right of their such tribes have established it in the nature of social organization.
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But I personally believe that due to Trump's policies and due to his language and the character that he has personified, it is making America look indifferent to the rest of the world to go against American values of treating
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everybody neighborly and equally based on the Christian values that we were founded by. So I just wanted to ask you, is that only just one side of the perspective or is it a coin where there's another face to it?
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Okay. So you say neighborly, let me ask you a question. Okay. Has Mexico slashed the drug cartels, have they been neighborly to us?
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No, they have not. Yeah. And so when you have a 100,000 people dying of drug overdoses in your country, a lot in Idaho, by the way. A lot of drug overdoses in Idaho. Way too many.
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I I think that calling them out for what they are as a foreign terrorist organization is appropriate.
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Okay. All right. So, but to me calling them out as a foreign terrorist organization, is that just the whole of Mexico or is it just the individual of those participating in those you have to use examples of what you are
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criticizing Trump of? But okay. All right. Uh personally for me, I am criticizing his policies with tariffs. I believe it is important to bring back uh the economic capabilities of the United States and bringing back manufacturing. But I believe that due to
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his very blunt mafia tactics of just come to the table immediately that it creates an unfair persona of American diplomacy.
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Got it. Okay. So what persona? Let me ask you a question. I have a good question for you.
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Okay. Were you more comfortable with Joe Biden's persona? No, I was not. What? How about Obama's Obama? I don't know the man. I was too young.
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What What persona would are you comfortable with the president having? Uh, personally for me, I just feel uh that a cult of personality is what a president needs. And definitely Trump has that, but it rubs people off the
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wrong way about the personality that he possesses of being a strong man, uh, something like Theodore Roosevelt and sorts.
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So, yeah, I don't even I won't say we have disagreement. Let me just tell you my opinion then we'll get to the next question. Okay.
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I think it's time that we actually have a strong man as an American president, not whatever Joe Biden was.
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And we we need someone that acts with energy and spirit and vitality. I mean, we had Joe Biden that wasn't even a functioning human being the last two years as president.
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Correct. And I think a president that is willing to push the boundaries for the United States of America is exactly what we voted for in major numbers in November.
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Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Hey, disagreements, guys. Yeah, got your own camera guy.
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I do. This is my friend Sam. Um, you say college is a scam, so I drove four hours here just so I could debate you on this.
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Um, I've been in school for four years majoring in English. And it my education means a lot to me. I put in a lot of work to be here.
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What school? Um, University of Utah. Okay, cool. And so I find it extremely disrespectful for you to say that college is a scam, not just to me, but everyone here that's also going to school.
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What's your favorite Charles Dickens book? Um, that was like push for like I for like that's like all around.
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No, no, tell me which one. The six. I can't hear what you saying. Just like the one like with Bushmir.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, so how about your favorite Jane Austin novel? Oh, I don't know who that is.
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Jane Jane Austin. You're an You're an English major. Yeah. was like come for like what's your favorite I'm going to ask give you another chance. What's your favorite Jane Austin novel?
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Harry Potter. You've been there for four years. Four and a half. Well, I I I have one more question.
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You are proving that college is indeed a scam. Okay. Well, my my my dad paid a lot of money so I could go to college. And I just think how how what qualifies you to say that college is a scam just to get
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views on TikTok. You you almost had me for a while, but uh no, obviously you're being a troll and that's fine. Um yeah, look, college is a scam. Half the people in this audience, if they get a job, they'll get
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a job that doesn't require a college degree. For half the people in this audience, going to college is completely unnecessary. Um the vast majority of the jobs that these that you're going to enter into are going to be replaced by
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robotics or AI, unfortunately, in the next 5 years. And so you go to college a lot of the time to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist.
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Do you find it's like push that is like come for like with pushmir? I can't I can't I can't to push mirror.
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Yeah. Not not sure what you're saying. Um is that is that come for like for like with the education system?
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Yes. Why? Because again I I can't I I can't tell if you're being a comedian or not. So I'm trying to sense but if you are actually I guess though it's I'm serious.
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So you are an English major. You don't know who Jane Austin is. Correct. Yeah. Exactly. That's a I mean like she's one of the most important writers in the history of Western civilization and like without a doubt just cuz I go to school doesn't mean
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like you're getting an English degree if that is like push like what is like right here.
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No no if you're getting I can't All right. Thank you for your time. Sorry I'm just mumbling.
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Yeah, I know. Will you will you sign my shirt? I'm good. Thank you. Thanks Charlie.
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[Applause] Thank you for being here. Hey Charlie. Okay. I have a real quick question. Just a little bit of preface.
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I'm going to get straight to the point, but I need to start with the first question. You love the Bible, correct?
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It's the word of God. Exactly. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Yes. Exactly. So, I just want to I'm just here not necessarily to debate, but more to understand your line of reasoning. I want to understand how when you practice the pre and like preach religious
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governance and issues like that as with your abortion and status on gay marriage. Why don't you also support things like free lunches for kids? The Bible over 2,000 times mentions it helping the needy at every instance and that if you don't help the needy, you
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are not doing the word of God and he will not help you. Yeah, great. Did I mention the Bible once in my abortion argument earlier?
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Okay. I don't know. I'm just No, you didn't. I just want to be clear though because I'm just thinking of what I've heard before. Sorry.
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No, but I I I I do believe it's the word of God. Of course, we should help the needy. Can you show me a specific verse where it says, "Make sure you pay a bunch of money to the government and
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taxes to help the needy." I would say specifically that I think as Christians, it should be the number one priority to find a system that works to make sure that every single person is fed. And I think it truly if we're
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looking at the word of God, you have to look at the fact that you should go through every cost to yourself. As the Bible specifically says, I can pull up a verse on my phone right now that says
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specifically in the Bible that you should feed the needy at the cost to yourself. You should help those in needy at cost yourself. If it's a couple pennies out of my tax dollars to feed those don't don't want food. I think
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that's a Christian obligation of the government to fulfill. No, that again it's never biblically obligated to use the state to do that.
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The church should do that. Okay. And that's so I personally give a fair amount of my tithes and my donations to local churches to help do these things and I hope everybody else does that as well.
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And in fact I believe the meat of my question but I could get more to the meat of the question then. So why do you think there should be some policies that should be governed at the state level
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but then not other policies when it's sort of governed like this when it's specifically over 200 times in the Bible?
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Right. So we go back to the constitution because that's our core governance. So is it if it's in the constitution it should be there such as border security, national security, printing of money, the treasury, enforcing of interstate commerce, department of justice, those
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tariffs, collecting of duties. However, the government providing food to its citizenry is not in the constitution and it should be a last st last gap effort.
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And I suppose the question is I I don't know if you're a Christian or not. And if you are, wouldn't wouldn't you say it's better for churches to feed people than the government to feed people?
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Yeah. Okay. So I am a Christian and I do think that by any means necessary the number one priority of every single citizen in society under Christian values as you like to preach should be to help their fellow man to help them
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feed help them get clothes and help the needy and I think that out here preaching if you think that the government the government is a means of at the end of the day it's inevitable the government is inevitable and I think
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that we have to have that means that has such a mass scale of outreach to help feed people and to help give them their needs. I think that churches they lack a lot of central organization that they could that they the government has to
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help reach out with them to help feed them. Let me ask you a hypothetical. If all the money we spend on the government to feed people went away, do you think the church would step up and make sure
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there's not a single hungry person in America? Um I think that they would try but again I think that the government is a unique position that as Christians we should be using to fulfill the will of God.
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How is the government in a better position than the church? Build that out for me. Are are there more churches or more government buildings in America?
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Yeah. So let me actually get to that. Can the church make laws? Well, no, but the church actually collect money and actually deploy it much more effectively than the federal government can. In fact, Okay. Okay. Perfect. Okay. A question
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that I got on taxes. I would love if my tax dollars went to helping people who needed food. That's my argument here. I think it does over over a trillion dollars a year goes to food stamps and SNAP and
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Medicaid. And I'm glad that but actually it doesn't help them nearly as much as you think. Let me tell you why. Because then we subsidize bad eating habits of the poor so that the working poor is very obese. So they go buy Coca-Cola,
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Pepsi, and Fredolays and the church is not involved where the church would then be say, "Hey, instead of going to the local grocery store with a bunch of food stamps and SNAP benefits, why don't you come by our church and we'll feed all of
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you and a much more healthy meal made by our own members and then you can hear the gospel afterwards." That's the church in practice. What the government does, and I want you to respond. What the government does is it creates
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distance and it creates separation and it creates murkiness between the person issuing the help and the person receiving the help. What private charity and philan philanthropy does as the church designed it is it's much more relational. So there is a single mom
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coming into the church saying, "I can't feed my kids. I need help." I would believe that every church in America would not say, "Sorry, we're closed here." They would say, "How here's our food bank. here's how we can help you.
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We will we will cook you a meal. We will give you what you want. Where the faceless government, we've seen this in Europe, and I don't mean to go on too long about this. In Europe, the state is
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huge. The government is huge, and the church is small. The church does not do charity. It does not do food banks. Does very little that because the government takes care of it. I actually think that's deeply unhealthy. I want a small
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government and a big church where Europe has a big government and a small church.
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Okay. Okay. I have a few key arguments against that. Just one quickly, I think that people despite like their uh monetary status and like where they stand in society like monetarily, I think that they should be able to choose
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what food they get to some extent at the grocery store, but also too on that like unhealthy food is substantially cheaper than good food. So that's also kind of that situation that you're pointing out.
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But but it is cheaper at the end of the day. If they're pinching pennies, then ultimately they're going to weigh a cost.
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We do not just I have to interrupt you just so we're clear. We do not have a starvation crisis in America.
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I I would say that we I think that issues with it. I think that the thing is we don't have necessarily starvation crisis, but we have a mismanagement of resources to the point where kids are going hungry. I'm not sure the exact
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rate, but they are going hungry. There 10% of kids claim food insecurity. That's 10% of kids. They don't know where the next meal is coming from.
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We don't know what that term means. Half of our kids are clinically obese by the age of 15.
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That's a much bigger problem than food insecurity. We have too much bad food being fed to our kids.
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Okay, perfect. On that argument again of food insecurity, that just means they don't know where their next meal is going to come from. That's what that means. But also more on to this specifically, I think that again, obesity can be a problem to solve. But
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when there are kids that are going hungry, I do think it is a responsibility of the government because like I said, churches can't make laws. I think that they are important, but they cannot have the outreach and the
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standard of providing free lunches to school kids at every single day because they can't afford food. They don't know if they're going to go home and have dinner on their table. So all I'm arguing here today again my final
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question before I get off is just do you think that you are upholding your Christian values by not holding the government accountable when the government is the easiest way to get food to people?
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No, I actually don't think it's the easiest way. I think that private charity individuals helping individuals is the best way to offer.
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Is that working enough right now or should we have a system to give free lunches to kids?
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We do. That problem is you're actually living in the big government era and it's not working. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on your desired objective. We have food stamps. We have school supported lunches. We have t
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How widespread are the school supported lunch? Incredible. Can you can you give me the statistics because the most of cuz I know that growing up in the state of Idaho, I never once had a free school lunch unless No, neither did anybody I know.
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Unless it was during and I I will say something controversial and it's I actually don't think it's the role of the state to feed a kid at school. It's the role of the parents to feed those kids. Okay.
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And I I I and you might say, "Oh, if the parents don't have money, the parents, I think, have to get more and more involved to taking care of your kids." And the more the state grows into that
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realm, the smaller it actually makes the American family. Final point. Okay. One quick followup on that. I think that specifically parents are often struggling. They often give up their own meals to give to their kids.
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But hang on, let's move. It is. Okay. Exactly. Now, let's move. But they shouldn't have to. They should also be able to get food themselves. I think that the key argument here is that they need to be able because the government
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has so many resources to provide food for people and I think that if you are up here and that your religious values I know that you're against gay marriage and often that's by your religious values. So I would say that specifically
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when we look towards issues like that if we're going to have some religious governance you have to do what the Bible says over 2,000 times and provide food to the needy and help heal the needy.
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And yes and we do. And what I'm saying though is that it has been proven to really not work very well. the best way to help the needy.
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Then do you not think it's the Christian duty then to find everything we absolutely can do to help them?
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Yes, and we know how to do it and that is the local church helping them.
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Okay, perfect. So then do you think that also then comes from government ordinances and government support and tax cuts for the churches?
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No, see that well first of all tax churches don't pay taxes. Well, that's what I meant like not no longer adding taxes cuz I've seen that things that people want to add taxes.
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We shouldn't. No, they're tax exempt organizations. But again, our view as Christians and conservatives is the government doesn't do it well. the government operates by force and the local Christian nonprofit, the local Christian church or whatever will it
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does a much better job of delivering help to those in need than a big government. Thank you for your time though. Appreciate it.
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You are contradictory yourself currently right there because the government it's what if it's one religious way you have to have all religious governance but it doesn't mean the state has to do it. Thank you.
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I think it's the best means to make sure that everybody has food. They're welcome to come up if they want.
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Yeah. Come on up. Come on up. Hi. Am I good here? Cool. Um, yeah. Thanks for coming out.
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Uh, I'm really nervous, so sorry if I stutter at all. Uh, yeah. Thanks for coming out. Uh, my question is about, uh, the events surrounding the first impeachment trial of Donald Trump. I think the thing that makes America
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really special is, yeah, the phone call event surrounding that. Yeah. I think the thing that makes America really special is that we were founded on liberal democratic values and that we have a model for liberal democracy better than any other country in the
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world. I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2024 because I think he has a fundamental disrespect for liberal democratic values and I think that was reflected really well in uh the uh Trump Ukraine scandal in 2019. Would you be
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willing to talk about that? Yeah, briefly. People don't even remember that impeachment. I mean there's usually much more pressing matters than the 2019 impeachment.
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Okay. uh hoax. But yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I I I don't want to spend too much time on this, but America was actually not funded on liberal democratic values, so we can debate that. It was actually far more of a
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small C conservative classical view of government. Just just to clarify, I don't mean liberal as in like the liberals.
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No, I understand you mean enlightenment. You mean reason. I got it. It's actually it's a blend. There's some elements of that. There's also some more elements of smallc conservative classical doctrine in there, but we could put that aside.
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Yeah. I mean, we separation. Fine. Why don't you as quickly as you can. I know you said you're nervous.
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State your case of what you think why you think Trump's 2019 phone call was a disqualifier.
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Um, yeah. So, I think not just the phone call, but the events surrounding the phone call that he suspended congressionally approved aid in an attempt explicitly in an attempt uh to coersse a foreign government to investigate a political opponent and the
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DNC servers. I thought that was uh contemptable. I also thought that the cover up um afterwards uh was really bad. And then I thought the refusal to comply with House Judiciary Committee subpoenas uh was really condemnable. I think all of those things reflect bad on
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our democracy. Okay. Well, we're not a democracy. Republic poorly on a constitutional republic. That that's the reason you didn't vote for Trump. I mean like that's Yeah.
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Okay. I mean was he was he convicted of the impeachment? No. So he was acquitted.
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Yeah. I mean the the Government Accountability Office found that what he did was illegal, right? Freezing funds.
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Uh again, presidents freeze fund all the time. Funds all the time. under under that statute, when Joe Biden was vice president, he was on camera saying that we're going to freeze Ukrainian funds unless you approve a very specific
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energy project that Hunter Biden was on the border. Okay. I'm going to I'm going to just respectfully I don't mean this in a rude way, but I don't want to really get into a what aboutism what what what you're
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saying about the standard of whether we hold leaders. You're completely right. You're completely right and and that's a that's a huge discussion to have. It's an important discussion to have. I specifically want to get your thoughts on this impeachment.
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I completely disagree. It was a sing again I'm it's it's very admittedly like I'm dusty on this topic because it's from 2019 and that's six years ago. From what I remember it was a singular phone call that Trump had with Zilinski that
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was probably illegally listened to by Eric Chimarella the the whistleblower from the intelligence community that then probably illegally leaked it to the House Jud the House Democrats and the contention was that Trump was holding up aid for political purposes. Yeah, I see
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no such evidence of that whatsoever. Trump actually gave a lot of aid to Ukraine back in 2019. Right. Again, and let's just make this the final point because the audience isn't tracking this.
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Okay. Could I could I could I just make one more point? Is that the the uh Mick Mulaney actually said explicitly that the reason Trump instructed him to block the aid Ukraine was so that uh they would investigate the DNC uh server uh
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conspiracy and Hunter Biden's business dealings in Ukraine. Okay. I'll have to I'll have to go back into my memory more to think about that.
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All right. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. I exit this way.
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Whichever other way. Okay. Got you. Thank you. Thank you for the respect. Thank you.
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Hey, am I is uh my voice well in the mic? Oh, all right. So, before I ask my question, I want to say I want to say that it's disrespectful disrespectful for you to come on our campus and say we shouldn't
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get any money. Uh after those two guys, it was a ticket to be here.
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Well, hold on. I mean, I didn't I'm a student. I said that donors shouldn't give money to the school. How that's disrespectful. Like, well, like if you're coming on our campus, I think that's the first two questions I get are people that come
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with a awful image making fun of me. Someone that you know is screaming and yelling and doing swear words. Like that's a bad first example of what your campus is producing, right?
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Yeah. So maybe they're the ones disrespectful, not me. Thank you for your time. We got to next question. Thank you.
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You guys got to be on your guard. You guys have been getting a little sleep.
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Yes ma'am. Hi, Charlie. First of all, thank you for being here and it's an honor to get to talk to you today. Um, my biggest question is about the DEI bill that was just passed through the Idaho Senate.
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So, Idaho Senate Bill, what can you educate me on it? I don't know about it.
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Yeah, of course. So the DEI bill, it was passed about two weeks ago through the Idaho Senate. It is basically not allowing any Idaho like college or university to have DEI programs like diversity, equity, and inclusivity.
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My main question for you today is how does that affect like what is the reason for doing that for like non- minorities?
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So like I just like why is it even like why is it even a thing basically?
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So DEI came out of like the 1960s and 70s with this idea in the post- civil rights movement that we need to hyperracialize how we hire and how we configure our corporations and our campuses based on race and not based on
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merit. Um so when you prioritize equity, you then will compromise excellence. And so we should strive to have institutions like Boise State or University of Idaho that are merit-based and not race-based in its admissions, its hiring, and how
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it actually conducts itself. Oh yeah, I I totally understand. Um but it the only people that really like lose anything from this would be like people of color or LGBTQ plus students.
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However um which I that's I like that guy. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] Um, but like how I obviously understand merit, but um, and I obviously can even understand like defunding these programs, but what is the point of getting rid of them altogether?
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Well, because they exist to actually elevate unqualified people that might be of that skin color persuasion into certain positions. Um, and so we should not, you are right, it might hurt certain people of color that were hired for reasons that they shouldn't have
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been. And so, however, a very qualified black individual or a very qualified Hispanic should not be faced by DEI because they will be able to be judged on what Martin Luther King said, we should be the content of one's
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character, not the color of your skin. Yeah, I I can totally understand that for sure.
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You got to go all the way around. All right. Thank you for your time.
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Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Any disagreements, guys? Come to the front. Boomer soon or you got here.
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What? That's good. You got to show us your hands, though. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, we have had weird people, as you can imagine.
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Of course. Yeah. Get a couple different. So, yeah. My name is Dre. Nice to finally see you after seeing you countless times on my TikTok.
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Um, basically, you were talking about abortion and the rights of life earlier with this one girl. And basically, why would it be such a problem to change?
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Why would it be such a problem to change the uh right to life after birth?
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Sorry, I was interrupted slightly. Can you repeat that though? Yeah, just go. What? No need to touch the mic. Just repeat the question. Yeah.
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Why would it be uh such a problem to change the right to life after birth?
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What do you mean by that? Well, like because if you're saying if right to life is before birth, then why don't we why can't we change the right to life after birth? It would cause all the problems of legalization of abortion and
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the arguments between then. And then also it plays into many factors. I'm not tracking. Can you Yeah. So, so change the right to life till after birth.
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Yeah. That that's our current laws right now. Then why would it be a right to life for an abortion? How could you make an argument against that if it's after birth?
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No, no one is no one's contesting that. Yeah. Our perspective is that it's a human being all the way through the cycle of development as a human being all the way through cycle. But you said right to life after
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birth like after birth. So why would it be? You're a human being before and after birth. That's our contention.
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What? Right. Well, you're a human being regardless if you're born or not. If you are in utero at two months, you are still a human being.
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Okay. And then also I think that legalization of abortion would be like highly beneficial because you think about the cost of raising a child, bringing that child throughout adoption, all of that like that. And then hold on guys,
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and then however the cost of abortion will be a lot less. And then even in this crowd, there are people like before where they're saying like hypocritical comments about keep it in your pants, do all that, which you should. Yeah.
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Yeah. Still yeah like you should you should but like you can't control just like you said it's nature you can't control millions of people who have lived like 50 years of life who are voting on these topics highly
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hypocritically yeah I'm not tracking totally what you're saying but um you said abortion is beneficial I mean we've had abortion legalized in this country for 60 years about has it brought down crime has it been beneficial I mean if you're comparing it to the
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cost of raising a kid and seeing people that are lives that I mean I I got to be blunt, man. What you're saying is it's okay to murder a human being just because you might save some money.
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That that is the argument you're making. Well, I also said that right to life after birth. Like people are okay to make their own choices, but like you're you are I'm not tracking what you mean by right to life after birth. I I have no idea
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what you're talking about. Well, why not? Because you're not I'm just not I'm just not understanding what you're saying.
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Like well I'm saying that abortion like should be legalized and that it will cause these right. Abortion is legal in almost every state in the country.
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Yeah. And because of these benefits like it should be legalized like you shouldn't try to legalize it.
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Okay. I have a different position obviously. So when when do you think human life begins?
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Uh well I said after birth. So after birth. Okay. Got it. I mean that's you know that's an insane position. I mean, when a baby's at 34 weeks and responds to its mother's voice, has a heartbeat, has brain waves, its own DNA, and can empty
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its own bladder, of course, that's a human life. I mean, self-evidently a human life.
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Okay, I would be I'd be able to compromise before that. And if it's You see how quickly though, I have to point you out though. See how quickly you can compromise like, oh, actually, maybe it is a human at this level and
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then at this level. Why is compromising such a problem? Well, because you're admitting and acknowledging that maybe it is a human being, which goes to our entire argument. Human dignity goes all the way back to conception. So eventually we
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just march ourselves back on the timeline to its original point of creation. But what about the benefits and non-benefits? Can you tell me about that for abortion?
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The benefits. Benefits and non-benefits. Yes. Benefits. Oh, I mean like let's play this out.
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Pros and cons. Yes. So do you think that if if a mother found out that she was going to have a low IQ child, she should be allowed to have an abortion if she has the choice? Yes, she has a
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choice. Do you think if a if a mom found out that she was having a girl, but she wanted a boy, should she be able to have that abortion?
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There are plenty of people that should have that. Yes or no? Should that be legal? Should sex selective abortions be legal?
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Yes or no? Yes or no? Okay. I guess I don't have an objective objective uh position on abortion, but if but you can't like if people can just lie to make up reasons anyways.
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Again, it's it's actually against the law to do it. How about this? If you find out you're having a Down syndrome kid, should you be able to have an abortion based on that information?
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I guess not. But that's not really against like the topic. Your your answer just changed from yes for low IQ, but not okay for Down syndrome. That's weird. Why did it change? Okay, then I'll just I can just
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take it back. But like still like that's like not again again I'm gonna get to the next question. It's respectful. You haven't thought very deeply about this.
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That's not the point of the top. I was asking about the pros and cons and you asked there are no pro. Okay. What I'm getting at though there are no pros to mass murder. Okay.
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Why are there no pros to abortion? Cuz it's mass murder. It's like okay. Were there pros to the Holocaust?
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But Holocaust and abortion is not even close to You're right. Abortion's been much worse in this country. A lot more babies died than died in the abort the Holocaust.
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You're right. Yeah. But there also like there are also instances in life where how are they different? No, like let's walk through it. How how are they categorically different? Are they both human beings?
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Uh do they both have futures? Were they both made in the image of God? Do they all have souls? How are they different?
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But how is the Holocaust and abortions different? No. Yeah. Tell me. But were they both human? Were all the people that died in the abortion Holocaust human beings? Do they both have futures that were deprived? Were they both made in the
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image image of God? And did they both have souls? How are they different? I guess if you put it like that, but that's just highly subjective.
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No, it's not. It's objective. Okay, you have a lot more thinking to do. Thank you for your time.
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[Applause] [Music] All right. Am I good? Perfect. All right. So basically earlier you were talking to one of my lovely fellow students who had a beautiful rainbow top and I love that.
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And you said allow her to finish please. You said you need to be responsible for your own orgasms.
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Yes. Okay. With that being said, why is it that a lot of the times people with uteruses have to carry all the responsibility that comes with getting pregnant?
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You mean women? I think there are people I didn't want to get into this topic.
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You already did. I mean, can can you be a man with a uterus? Yes.
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I didn't want to have the gender discussion with this is what they teach here, guys. I'm telling you.
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I didn't want to have the gender versus sex discussion. I wanted you brought upon yourself.
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Um, okay. What what what is your contention? Okay. So basically, why is it that people with uteruses have to carry all the responsibilities that come with having a pregnancy?
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This is true, but he just said you have to be responsible for your own orgasm.
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The law is very clear that if the father abandons, they own child support. So there that's actually not clear. A lot of the time it's like, you know, there's like one night stands. There's the cases of like stop having one night stands
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like you don't have to have sex. It's not like a thing you need to do.
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You had sex and now you have to live with the consequences. So both people should have to live with the consequence.
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Yes. And here I am with this radical idea that all of humanity embraced for like 2,000 years which the best way to live is to get married and then have sex.
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That's not the reality of our society at this time. We all know this. Well, exactly. But what is what is there anything stopping you from doing that?
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No, self control is a virtue that every kid should remain still happens outside of marriages. And you are saying that because you have to be responsible for your own orgasms, does that not mean that a male or the person who
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contributes the sperm, okay, a biological male contributes the sperm? So, we're no longer now. See, she said male, but then she said now we're just sperm donors.
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That's what we are now. I'm just saying that. You see how like the trans thing just like you can't you don't never know what to say. It's just so comical. But yeah, so the person who is a biological male
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and contributes to that pregnancy, they don't have to live with those responsibilities just because they are not married. But that's not fair.
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Yeah, that's nature. But that's not fair. And you just said that you should be responsible for your own orgasm.
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Okay. A lot in life is not fair. Women have to menrate. I don't. Not fair.
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Okay. Also, there's things that men have to go through that women don't have to go through. that males should have to contribute just as much to a female's pregnancy if she is going to carry fire. Let me let me hold you to that
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standard then. Time out. Therefore, if a woman is going to have an abortion, is it 50% the man's decision?
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If we hold males to this responsibility, I believe that they should like, you know, at least be able to like have a say. But that is like 10% or 20%. In the end, it is a female's body and they have
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the right to decide what they do with their body. Okay. But to just just to just to play that out, if the baby is a baby girl in there, doesn't that baby girl also have a right to decide to her own body?
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We're still t They can't even make decisions yet. Exactly. So then isn't it best not to terminate them because they can't make decisions?
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You're still You're still not answering my question. How are we supposed to hold the person? Cuz you just said that pregnancy comes from two people, does it not? And you're supposed to be responsible for your own orgasm.
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Yes, I I know how reproduction works. If your contention is that men should be held more accountable for impregnating women, yeah, of course, the law already reflects a lot of that. That's why child support decisions go 99% against men.
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Okay. The the law is way way way in the the woman's favor. A lot of times it should be because but a lot of the times in one night stands, that's just like simply like not the case.
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Okay. So what what is the contention then? Then you we must make it easier for one night stands. I mean like I'm trying to say I don't think it's fair that like you are going out of your way to say that it's not okay that the
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person who has to carry that child. But just understand how silly what you're saying. You're using the word fair fair. The most unfair thing is to you don't have to deal with the stigma.
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Let me finish what I'm saying. Let me finish what I'm saying. The most unfair thing imaginable is eliminating a life from being able to live and flourish.
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That's the most unfair thing. Murder is the most unfair thing at all. I mean, definitionally, that's unfair. You eliminate a life from being able to flourish. That's unfair.
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As a person with a uterus, if I did get pregnant, that I would not want to carry said pregnancy. as a person with a prostate and I don't have sex and that's not anybody's business but but but let me just again I don't want
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to ask about people's personal lives. I'm not that interested in it. I I I'm saying if I like have I'm put in an unfortunate situation and a lot of the times there's like you know there's like borderline kind of like rape sexual
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assault like cases that happen. Less than half of 1% of all abortions are in that category. You can say that, but also it's from the Gutmcker Institute, which is an abortion, but what do we really know? Because a
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lot of the times like statistics according to I think that's Planned Parenthood's own data.
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Just so it wasn't Planned Parenthood, it was the Goomacher Institute, which is Planned Parenthood's research arm.
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Okay. According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center, apparently about one in five women experiences, this is complete garbage. Just want me to prove it to you. If you guys if one in five women experienced sexual assault or rape,
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then we would have the same levels of rape as the Congo. Okay, I want you.
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Is that not possible? Like, no, it's it's not just it's not just impossible. It's like pathologically insane to believe that one in five women that we have third world levels of violence, sexual violence.
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Do something about that then. No. Meaning that the I feel to see how you're like you're discrediting something instead of just acknowledging that it could genuinely be true. Like two things could be true at not even close to being just so we're clear. It's
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that there. It's like one in 5,000. It's not one in five. Okay. No, the idea that one in five women are raped or sexually assaulted in this country has been so disproven. In fact, they say, "Well, let me prove it to you
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because we have like lots of stats. This is actually the lower end. I've heard higher stats. This is on the lower end." Let me prove it to you. If they say college campuses are rape culture because one in four, one or five women
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get raped. If that's the case, why would women ever go to college campuses? Why would parents because they want an education? No, hold on. It's more dangerous than going into the Democratic Republic of Congo. I mean, the point is that it's so
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materially insane to think that one in five American women will be raped in their life.
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It is. I agree. No. Meaning that they're lying about being raped. That they are lying about being sexually assumed.
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Believe that people lie about being See, this is actually This feeds into what I was saying. This is this feeds into what I was saying.
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Brett Kavanagh had 11 fake accusers. One guy, 11 fake accusers. This feeds into what I was saying. Do you know why a lot of people probably don't report their sexual assaults and rapes? Well, because there's a lot in
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the gray there's a lot in the gray area. Alcohol's involved. It was consensual and then it wasn't consensual. The girl can be removed at any time.
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Okay. That again, now we're getting into murky gray area stuff, right? Where if you have two like a fraternity guy and a sorority girl at age 19 hooking up, both five drinks in at 2 a.m. and all of a
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sudden she like removes consent. Yeah. Like that's a murky middle gray area. And excuse me when I say she still removed consent, did she not?
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Okay. But again, the the point if he continues to go onward with that encounter, then he is he is sexually assaulting her.
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Again, that's that that is such an unfair categorization. Like again, it's it's very case dependent, but like almost every one of these cases involve a lot of alcohol and a lot of forgetfulness and a lot of other ones that don't cases of marriage
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rape and like people don't report those because of how much stigma there is. People don't they don't want to.
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I'm not doubting that rape happens. I'm contesting this ridiculous outrageous statistic. Get pregnant from these cases. And you said you believe that people should be able to get abortions in cases of rape.
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No, actually I said I said let me I said I actually don't believe that. I said let me for the argument sake say that. But I actually don't believe that.
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I thought you said that you don't. No, of course not. Because Oh, let me tell you what.
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You would make somebody carry their rapist. If I have if I have two ultrasounds I have an ultrasound here of a baby conceived in rape, an ultrasound of a baby from a loving marriage. Which one is which?
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Which one is which? Wait, wait, wait, wait. You would make You would make make the baby live. Yes.
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You would make someone carry their rapist child. Yes. Do you know how insane that is?
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Oh, you know what? It's like how insane it's like, you know what? I would make it so I can't murder my cameraman.
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You know how insane that is? That wasn't even a pregnancy that they consented to. That isn't even something they consented to in the first place.
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And you would make them carry that. It's not even human rights are not dependent on the method of conception. Human rights are not human rights. They have to carry that child. they were violated in the first place. How insane that is?
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And then you're going to do a third wrong because of two evils. When does that always morally if you don't want the child and like just because you don't want a human being doesn't mean you get to murder.
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But your argument was based on don't have sex. You can't control if you are raped.
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Again, you can't control that and you know that. 99.9% of the time that is the case. Less than half of 1% of the time it's still a question of human rights and human dignity of which that human being
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deserves rights. Let me ask you a question. Somebody in this audience was conceived and raped. Do you know who?
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No. Because they're just as much a human being as we are. You don't get special right because everybody deserves the right to life regardless of how horrific or evil your method of conception is. I'm not justifying rape. I think rapist should
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go to jail for the rest of their life. Maybe get the death penalty and get castration.
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Their victims should have to carry the child that they did not want. I don't believe in giving the death penalty to an unborn baby because of what the rapist did. That in no way is morally defensible to say we should end a human
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life. I don't know how it's morally defensible that you think it's okay because life is special and beautiful regardless taking away the person's right who has their body violated in the first place to make a decision about what they want to do right that's two
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crimes on one like do you agree that murder is wrong? I do. Yes. Okay. Then we should stop murdering unborn babies. I think it should be up to the person who has to carry the child.
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Okay. Again, that that's that's not morally defensible in any category. Can I murder my three-month-old because it's out of the womb?
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No. What makes it different than if it's out of the womb or in the womb? How is it more or less a human being?
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That's still not the argument I'm trying to make. No, it is. It absolutely is. The standard must apply equally to all human agency and action. We are talking about morals.
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But you just said that they deserve the right to have their choice, right? Like that child deserves the right to be able to live. Yes. But you're also taking away the mother's choice.
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Oh, no. No. Yeah. You do not have the right to kill another person. That is not taking the mother's choice about what she wants to do with her life.
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You never had that choice. You never had a right to kill another human being.
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That's what I'm saying. Fundamentally, the pro-life argument is at the core. You do not have the right to take another human life.
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So, you're like radically pro-life as in like no matter who even in cases of incest, in cases of Yes. All human being life is all human life is special made in the image of God and we are called here to protect all
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life regardless of the method of concept protecting the person who has to carry that child that's a double standard she still lives she lives after birth what quality of life it's not even her fault that she got pregnant just to be clear that you have
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to have her entire that moral her entire life changed because of something she didn't even choose in the first place that moral standard is eugenics if it you say that you should be able to eliminate other human beings because it
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makes your life difficult. We could just kill kill millions of poor kids because a lot of moms are saying my life is difficult because of them. It is not a moral standard that can be applied to any other dimension. Thank you for your
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time. I have to get to another question. Thank you Lakers. Yeah. Yeah. My uh my uh brother-in-law's dad played for them, so we like him a little. Um, okay. So, I know you're a Christ follower. Um, and you were kind of ending your last topic
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with uh the death penalty. I don't think there is a justifiable um biblical verse section um in context where you could justify the death penalty.
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I mean, you do know it's the the only verse repeated the only law repeated in all five books of the Torah. You know, the five books of the Torah.
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Yeah. Uh Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Yeah. There we go. The only law that's repeated in all five books is that you shall give the death penalty you take a life. So why do you know better than
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God? Uh well my that's that's great. Um my that's not that's not man God said if a life is taken your life shall you shall take the life. So why is your opinion above God's own teaching to his people?
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Yeah. Um well my well my my argument for that would be um that is the old covenant. So the new covenant would be uh by grace you have been saved. So uh the same way God has given us grace um
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and that you should also put that on somebody else. So there are three types of Old Testament laws. There's civil, ceremonial and moral. We get rid of the ceremonial. We consider very high of the civil and we live under the moral. The
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civil though is repeated five times in all five books. And just to be clear, if someone takes a life, why should they continue to be able to live and breathe while their victim does not? Universal human equality actually shows that in in
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honoring of the victim that the perp who took a human life made in the image of God should not be able to continue to live.
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Sorry. Say we honor the victim by giving the death penalty to the perp gets something the victim does not have which is life.
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Totally. My So I do understand that. I feel like you would take other examples like Paul's ministry for example, murdered thousands and thousands of Christians yet turned his life around.
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Why did we not end his life? I would argue by the grace of God, he was able to start a ministry, proclaim the um gospel of Jesus. Um and he eventually did get the death penalty ironically.
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Yes. Ironically, but that's obviously so did James and Thomas, the Romans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And I'm not even I mean they didn't deserve the death penalty for what they did. I'm talking very simply death penalty for taking another life. And the argument is that it's in defense of the victim. It's honoring human equality for
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the victim. That that victim no longer has life. That victim no longer is able to experience it. Why should the person who took the life be able to say it?
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It's actually dehumanizing to the victim. It's saying that like you get to keep on enjoying life in a prison cell or just being in a prison cell where the other person's life was taken.
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Again, when we look at a law that was so important, it's the only law that was repeated in all five books of the Torah.
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The only one. Yeah. Not honoring the Sabbath, not honoring your parents, not even putting God first. The only law that made an appearance in all five books was that you shall take a life if your life if a life is taken. Seems
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pretty important to me. I I would say that, but I would also say grace is administered in every single book of the Bible in some context. And so I would my argument though would be wouldn't that be the old law? That
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that's the old law. How that's civil. So civil we want to take seriously. I guess is that like Old Testament tuning?
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Yes. And ceremonial we dismiss, civil we take seriously, moral we live under, right? So those are the three types of the 613 laws of Judaism. So ceremonial for, you know, we don't have to honor the feast. We don't have to pray with a
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thing on our, you know, um, on our hand or we don't have to eat kosher. We don't have to, you know, not eat shellfish. I love shrimp. I'm sure you do, too, right? Bacon is great. Whatever, right?
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Um, but like going I guess the question would be, what do you think is an adequate punishment for for a murderer?
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My I would say I would say it would you would show more grace by putting him in prison. And I would my argument for that would be there's so many like you you there's millions of criminals all over
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the world that come to Christ in prison. Yeah. I don't think that though our laws need to necessarily always be destined towards grace. We should pursue justice on our laws first and foremost because justice should be blind. Individually we
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should show grace. Like if that guy's on death row, we should go and try to minister the gospel to him and so that he can give his life to Jesus. But the law should be a teacher towards Christ.
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And it says in Leviticus 19 that the law should not show favor to the rich or to the poor. That's where we get that idea of, you know, universal human equality or blind justice.
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Everyone is for Christ. And I get it. I I actually So there's closed hand issues and there's openhand issues in Christianity. Closed hand issue is the, you know, trinity of Christ, the resurrection of Christ our Lord. On Sunday we celebrate the
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resurrection of Jesus. Praise God. Amen. And then there are openhand issues. Yeah. Open hand issues are like esquetology.
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Yeah. You know, is the Eucharist transubstantiation? Should women be pastors? Right. And death penalty. I put death penalty on.
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So in the book of Colossians, it says that the ordinances of Moses were nailed to the cross.
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Yes. And so the ordinances, right? So we think about that. That is definitely like ceremonial law, but the civil law we should take very seriously. And I would just kind of go one final point. I find it ironic, not you, that some
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people will push so hard for the rights and the dignity of a murderer on death row, but are so indifferent to the life of that of the unborn. They flip it and they say, "But Charlie, how could you
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possibly be pro-life for the baby in there, but not pro-life for the murderer?" I think that's so self-evidently silly. The murderer obviously did something heinous and awful and took another life where the baby in the womb did nothing wrong
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except merely exist, right? Two totally different moral categories. Do you do you think um that Old Testament law obviously um by go God like like um like he is before and after right and so for us to understand who he is by having
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that law in the beginning yes um by having that law in the beginning it was to um for us to understand um his grace his power his mercy um and it's everlasting and so I I would say that
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was in the beginning um I wouldn't say obviously I wouldn't say I'm a master in this.
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No, no, it's fine. And the best argument against me against my position because I know all the arguments pro and con is that why didn't God give the death penalty the first murder of Cain? That's the best argument against it, right? The
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best argument for me is God repeated it five times and when he explained it basically in the verses we know is that human life is so sacred. It's so precious to God that when a life is taken innocently that it says that the
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the ground cries out and shrieks, it's all the future generations that never were to be that the only severity, the punishment to honor that God's own beautiful creation has taken is to say that you no longer get to have life if you take life
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away. Like you don't get to have that privilege you to condemn that person. Exactly. So there's no easy answer to it. But the final thought I'll just kind of say in this is that there are some crimes so heinous and so awful that I
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have come to the conclusion of the death penalty the argument against the death penalty as well in the modern context it takes too long sometimes you execute the wrong guy it's more expensive I will concede all of those points
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but you cannot come to me from a moral standpoint forget a practical standpoint and say that if you take a life you should be able to keep on living I I find that to be an insult to God's
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promise that we're all made in the image of God. So then what do you say for eye for an eye?
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Well, in some ways Christ is against I think that's an individual teaching. However, it's a great point. You could actually extrapolate the eye for the eye as a great moral accomplishment of the Old Testament. So it seemed as if eye
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for an eye is a very primitive teaching, right? Like oh that's just kind of revenge. What it was saying though is that a rich person's eye is not greater than a poor person's eye or that the pharaoh's eye is not greater than the
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slave's eye. It's actually this idea of universal human equality that was applied over all of the species which was an amazing moral breakthrough that actually was against the tribalism of the time. I don't know how to answer that. Jesus said turn the other cheek
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and don't say eye for the eye. Does that mean that Jesus would want murderers to walk free? I don't think so.
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I think imprisonment for sure. You said you are under the law of the government as well.
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And there are really good Christians that are against the death penalty. Really good Christians that are for the death penalty. The only thing I ever ask is that if you're against the death penalty, 1% of your advocacy should be
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for those on death row and 99% of your advocacy for be for the unborn that are scheduled to be on death row in abortion clinics.
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Awesome. Thank you for your time, man. God bless you. Thank you. Who wants some hats?
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[Music] Okay, dude. Yeah. All right. Hey. My name is Lucy. I'm a student here at Boise State University and I'm in nursing school. Um, recently about two or three weeks ago, there was a repeal or roll back on Medicaid in Idaho, which
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is going to cause thousands of people to lose their access to coverage um within the next two years. And it's going to have untold fact effects on our entire community. And I was just wondering if you could take a couple seconds to like
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listen to what sorts of effects that'll have. So within the nursing population, way more people because of the fact that they're losing access to Medicaid are going to rely on emergency services, which means that the influx of people
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going into the ER and ED is going to significantly increase. This is going to contribute to nursing burnout, which means that all of you guys when you guys go to the ER will receive a decreased quality of care, which will
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significantly impact this entire population. And in addition to that, sorry, I'm a little nervy.
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In addition to that, that's okay. So, I don't know enough about it to debate or comment on it. Let me ask you though, in your best possible way, can you make the argument as to why, as if you were going to win a award
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if you could do it the best way, why did they vote to cut it?
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They voted to cut it in order to allocate more tax refunds to the 1% and to I don't know whatever Trump's agenda is. And honestly, I'm just Is this a federal ban or is this a state ban on
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this is a state ban right now? So then Okay. How would be Trump's agenda then? Yeah. Okay.
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Because House Republicans who were appointed by him and elected by his supporters were the ones who passed this bill.
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Okay. But if they were appointed by him, they wouldn't be So is this in the Idaho State House?
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Yes. Okay. So again, I don't know enough about it. If somebody does, they can come up to the mic and defend what happened there. But uh thank you for coming up to the mic and informing us about this.
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All right. Thank you. I I don't know. I I only I I I know what I know and I know what I don't know. So, I don't know enough about that to engage in it. So, thank you.
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And can I just say one more thing? Okay. Your statement about the fact that one in 5,000 women are raped is it's like an approximation.
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Okay. So, can I just say that that's like not even remotely close to true.
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Okay. So, what what number would you say? What would you say the number is?
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You say one in five. Okay. So, so let's let's play this. I just want to make sure everyone understands the profundity of this. So we're a country about 350 million people, right? Which means that more or less half of the population, actually
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it's more women than men, right? That means there's 170 million women in this country, right? So one in five means that about 40 million women have been raped in this country. Is that your position?
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Yes. Okay. I again I just find it's like so far out of reality that 40 million women have been raped. I know that it's a little bit of a hard concept to grasp for people like you, but like you know,
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I fear that you just don't know enough women who are in positions like that.
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Like not even on this college campus, like thousands of children are subjected to that sort of abuse. Thousands and thousands of young women, old women, all women are subjected to some sort of sexual abuse. Okay, but I'm just saying I I
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don't really want to debate this topic to you, but I just want you to know that is a wildly disrespectful stance to take.
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I'm sorry. I will die on the hill that 40 million American women have not been raped. I'm sorry. That's insane. It's just not true. Okay. And also what it does, I have to say something else. What it you want to know why men are going to
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the right? You want to know why men are becoming conservative? They're told that one in five women have sexual encounters that result in rape. We as men know that's a bunch of rubbish and a bunch of BS. And we're tired being called rapists
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at every turn. And we're tired of being categorized for something that we are not. And it creates dissension. It creates division. And it is bad for men.
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And it is bad for women. To say that 40 million American women have been raped.
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I just want to understand that number is more than the population basically of California. The whole population of California has been raped. That's our position. Now, next question.
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Hello. You brought a sign up. I'm sorry. Did you bring a sign up? Yeah, I did.
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But so my name is Eric. I'm 70 years old. I've been a born again evangelical Christian for 35 plus years.
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Praise God. Worship here in the valley with a bunch of uh I I was on worship teams in the valley for quite a few churches. But the Holy Spirit brought me here today to prove you wrong.
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Okay? And so what the Holy Spirit has led me to do is to try to explain to you that I don't think you're a good godly man.
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Okay? Right away. And and this is why because what a godly man does a good godly man does is stand up for people.
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He stands he stands up for people. He stands up and and even fights for people. Okay? And I don't believe you stand up and fight for people. Yeah. You use your mouth and you all these kids.
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You're good at all these kids and I didn't think you were going to. Are they Are they people?
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Yeah. Do I fight for them? [Applause] And and and how dare you say that after I just shared the gospel to nearly 2,000 people here at Boise State University.
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Does a godly man go sit in front of him? Because there's a difference between someone who just shares the gospel and someone who's a godly man.
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I can I can explain the difference to you right now. Okay. Tell tell the world why I am not a godly man.
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Because you only stand for people who are white and male. You've got Where's my brother up here? Where's my man? Look at him. You got to come up here. Come up here. Come up here. Come up here. Get over the gate. Come over
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the gate. Look at this guy here. Look at this. Yeah. Right up to the mic.
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You stand for me. We good. Wait. I I I only stand up for white.
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What? Is that a white man? Can you Can you look at him? Please look at him.
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I I already Is that a white man? Fist bump. Is that a white man? You said I only stand up for white men. He's got He's got dreads.
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Are you nice, too? They do look nice. But you you just lie me in front of 2,000 people saying I only I only stand up for white men and I got a brother in Christ right here. How dare you say something like
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that? I'm ready to if if you if you quit messing around, I'll prove it to you right now.
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Messing around. Bringing up a person of color is messing around. Isn't that your whole stick?
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Are you Are you Are you ready? Okay. Are you ready? So yeah, I'm ready. So, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit specifically brought me here because this is the Idaho. This is the Old West, right? The Holy Spirit
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brought me here to challenge you to a gentleman's fist fight right here in front of this whole crowd. Now, look, listen listen listen.
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No, I wait. I would hate to hospitalize you in front of 2,000 people. But see see the difference is I'm a 70-year-old I'm a 70-y old man. I haven't been in a a fight in like 60 years. However,
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does a godly man come up here? Yeah. Does a godly man challenge another to a duel?
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Does a godly man come up here and threaten someone? Okay, so hold on. I'm serious about this.
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Can I speak? All right. So, look, I'm telling you, I'm not up here just fighting for me.
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The Lord has come up to me to ask for fight for people that you diss all the time, like women.
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Lord, women, gay people, trans people, uh, immigrants, people of color, people of of different religions, my immigrants, refugees. So, look, you seriously, I'm serious.
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You can have your goons. They can search me. I'll sign a waiver. I'll let you take the first punch. Let's go. Put up.
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Shut up or shut up. Charlie Kirk or shut up. So, first of all, it says very clearly in the Bible that we, you know, we we shouldn't harm those that, you know, are worthy of protection. And you obviously are,
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you're just I'll kick your on Medicare age. But let's let's play this out despite the obvious fact. And we you and I both know who would win this duel. However, well, you are hold on a second. This is a
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great embodiment of the American left. You can't debate. So, you want to go to blows. You can't The only thing that is preventing us from this country from going to civil war is debate and dialogue. And you don't even want to
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have debate. You want to go and you want to wrestle like a seven-year-old. Who here is actually dividing the country.
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Gentlemen's fist fight. You know what that is, right? Again, I would like to think that we are elevated above trying to go have a fight in the streets or a fight in front of 2,000 people. In fact, a correct a mark of civilization is that
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we don't have to go to blows or bullets that we can have discourse and debate, but yet you're inviting that.
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And you know that out here in the West, that's a bunch of Oh, really? You don't you don't debate out in the West?
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Men stand up for what they believe. You guys don't dialogue in the West. Come on, man. Look, I I know Now, how about this? Why Why don't you since S since you're a 70-year-old aged elder and you want to have a fist fight with a
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31y old? Why don't you tell me what a woman is? See, I am not here to debate you. I'm here to prove you wrong. Prove you wrong. Prove him wrong. So, either put up or shut up. I'll walk away. You tell
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me right now. I I will say this. Let's go. I will say this. I'm not going to fight you cuz I don't have to. Because you know why?
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You are acting as if someone who is very desperate, who is clout chasing. And we won an election. We are going to remain peaceful while the left promotes violence. We are going to be the peace.
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Because as Christ our Lord said, blessed are the peacemakers for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Thank you, sir. And get out of here.
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Oh yeah. Don't pray on it, buddy. You're a coward, dude. Anytime. Get out of here.
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[Applause] [Music] Oh, my man right here. What's your name? My name is Jaden Melson.
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I love this guy. Just tell us a little about yourself. Just wanted to honor. You've been great in the in the crowd.
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Yeah, man. I've been good. uh from California originally, but I've lived in Idaho for about 10 years now, man. I love it out here. It's awesome out here.
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I'm a man of faith myself. So, everything you've been preaching has been awesome. I really respect you a lot for that. Thank you so much.
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Praise the Lord. Um and I just before you leave today, if we could all pray together before I would love that. We could start for us.
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Why don't you do a short prayer right now? Just cover the place in prayer. Why don't you do that? Uh, dear Lord, thank you today for gathering all these like-minded people and all these amazing people at one spot to where we can all
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have a real discussion and be open to hearing your word. And it's amazing to see that there's so many people of faith that uh that love your word and want to hear more about you.
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And I hope that everybody can open their minds and their hearts to that idea and that you can touch every single person here in this crowd today in your name.
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Amen. Amen. Thank you, man. God bless you. Thank you. [Applause] I'm gonna I'm gonna change topics a little bit.
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What? Whatever you'd like, my friend. Okay. Uh my friend, he can't be here. He's from back home. Um but he wanted me to get your opinion on some things.
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Trump, I'm a big fan. He's trying to do a lot of things. Make America great. Um, but do you believe Trump's views on Gaza are serious? Like how his process is on Gaza?
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Yeah. Like, oh, I don't I don't know if it's serious. I do think he wants to make Gaza a better place. I mean, it's terrible what's happened there.
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Objectively awful. And uh, do you believe that aligns up with the America first movement?
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Yes and no. I mean, I believe in America first, but not America only. Okay.
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I I prefer less foreign involvement, not more. Okay. So, if you were to prioritize one, would you prioritize? We're obviously going to prioritize our immigration problem before Trump goes without even a not even a question.
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All right, that's all I had. You think I get a hat? Yes, sir. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Thanks, man.
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Man, you can throw that hat darn well. Uh, Charlie, I'm actually from BYU Idaho. I'm not from Boise State, but if you want a friendly crowd, that's a conservative school up there by Idaho.
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But I like it pretty good here at Boise State though. So, I happen to be a liberal, but I love Trump. I think he's doing a great job morally. I just have a couple concerns um along the lines of tax. Uh Trump has
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flirted with the idea of getting rid of the IRS and abolishing the federal income tax. He's flirted with it. Not saying he'll do it, but a lot of people think that tax is to generate revenue for the government. That's what tariffs
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are for. But tax is to incentivize private investment into the economy. That's why we have tax writeoffs. That's why you go to a CPA or a tax advisor or that kind of thing. So my question is if we abolish the federal tax then what
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incentives will a tariff give to invest in the private economy of America? That's my question. Or are we already morally good enough to invest? That's just my question. I mean the a tariff in order to not pay a tariff you make your
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good here. So if you're Toyota Hyundai, if you make your good or service in America and employ American jobs and American labor, you avoid the tariff. So abolishing the federal income tax would be a phenomenal incentive to make more
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investment come to America. Okay. And you're saying like just bringing the companies to America? Yes.
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I'm saying like Okay, never mind. You answered my question. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. God bless.
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Oh, Charlie, can you photo us? Yes. Okay. Right. Yes, ma'am. Hi. So, I want to talk about abortion, but before I start, is it possible to not talk about God or religion because I'm not religious?
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Yes. But I mean, we will talk about morality. Okay. Where do you get your morality from?
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I don't know. Like my parents, I would say. Your parents. So, well, I don't know your parents. So, how are we going to agree on morality if I don't know your parents?
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I don't know. Can I say it and then see what you think? Okay. Okay. So sometimes twins in the uterus um one twin absorbs the other. So when that twin that absorbed it is born, would you consider that twin, that
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child, that baby a murderer? Oh, of course not. No. I mean, that's But that baby technically killed it.
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No, it didn't. It It What hap what you're talking about? It happens the first couple days of human development where the two zygot might one might absorb the other. It's not taking out an axe and slitting the throat of the
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other. But I still don't believe that abortion is murder. Okay. Did the twin use human agency to eliminate another human life?
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No. Then it's not murder. But therefore, during abortion, one human being uses human agency to kill its young. Can you point to another mammal, another part of the animal kingdom that goes out of its way to kill its young just because their
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life might be hard? No, but I still believe that abortion should be legal. When does human life begin?
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I would say when it's born. Okay. So, okay. So how does a so like so when it's born so therefore if a pregnant woman was walking here on campus and she was murdered the person who murdered that pregnant woman should they be guilty of
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a single homicide or a double homicide? Let her answer the question. I do believe double if that woman wanted to keep that baby and have that baby.
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But but the but hold on just help me understand this. How can life be so like just loosely defined that it's all on the intent on the mom whether or not that's a human. So your human distinction is wholly dependent on
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whether or not a mom wants to keep you. It depends on how the mother feels about her baby. Yes. If she doesn't want it, then she should have the right to have an abortion.
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No, but we're talking about something different. Is it not objectively a human life if that pregnant mom is guil all of a sudden a victim of a homicide?
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Yeah, it is. Okay. But then if it's objectively human life when it's a homicide, how is it not objectively human life when that is in an abortion clinic?
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Because it's not what the mother wanted. She doesn't want to have that kid. Do you have a right to murder another human being?
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No. But abortion isn't murder. Okay. But then then fine, define murder. The taking of another life.
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Let her finish for God's sakes, please. It's taking another life like in the world.
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Like once the baby's out, that's when it counts as murder. Like if you killed a baby, that's murder. But killing a fetus isn't murder.
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What species is the fetus? Human. Then how is it not murder? Cuz it hasn't been born yet.
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Why does that make it human? Cuz that's when like it's not dependent on the mom and it can be like its own thing.
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So So B, so that's exactly right. If you have a pacemaker, you're dependent. If you have a ventilator, you're dependent.
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Babies are in NICU units, neonatal intensive care units. they're dependent. Dependency does not equal its degree of moral worth. And so I need to understand the the moral consistency. Here is a baby at 31 weeks that can survive
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outside of the womb. It has its own brain waves, its own consciousness, its own heartbeat, its own ability to clean its bladder. How is that not a human being? It just happens to be in a mom.
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Because it hasn't come out yet. It's still living in the mom. It's still part of the mom, right? But but it's living. It has a heart. If it's not living, how does it have a heartbeat?
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It It's living through the mom. Okay. But so so my my oneweek old when he was born was living through me and my mom because we had to feed it food.
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Well, that's not the same thing cuz a fetus is like a parasite. It lives off the mom.
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You wait. So just to be clear, were Were you once a parasite? Technically, yeah. You think babies are parasites?
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Fetuses, right? But a fetus literally is just a word for a human being. It's a stage of development before it's born, right? But have you ever been to a fetus shower?
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Why do they call it a baby shower, not a fetish shower? Well, yes. It's a baby, but it depends on what the mother Oh, so it is a baby, not a fetus. Got it. So, but if it's a baby, then
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shouldn't we not kill babies? Pretty simple moral principle. It's different when it's inside the mother's body because it depends on what the mother wants, what the parents want. If they don't want to have that, it's attached to an umbilical cord, but
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how is it any morally different than when it's right outside of the womb? That baby can't hunt or gather. It can't go get a job. It can't go to the grocery store. It's wholly dependent on external forces to survive.
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But that's not the same as like needing to be inside the mother to to survive.
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But why why is that any morally different? Just because you're attached to an umbilical cord, why is it any different? Why is that less of a human being? And by the way, there are babies right now, as I mentioned, that need
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pacemakers and ventilators. Are they not human beings? Because they need a lot of machines to survive. They're attached to other machines. Are they not humans?
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Yeah. But I think that like the mother doesn't have a choice. You know, it is like making the baby like giving it nutrients and everything.
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Let's try to find So you would say that you are a you want the mom to be able to have choice over her body.
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Yes. Got it. So, does the baby have any jur like that does the baby's body matter to me? No.
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Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. Um, since you are, you know, resolutely like in favor of choice, do you think it should be legal or allowed if a mom wants to have an abortion if the kid has Down syndrome?
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Okay, it's a yes or no question. Can I say my answer and then explain it?
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Okay. I think that mothers should have the choice to have an abortion no matter what the the reason is. But if the reason is like they have Down syndrome or they're going to be autistic, then that woman shouldn't have been a mother
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mother in the first place. Because [Music] hold on. If I I got to close this out.
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If a mom is pregnant and she finds out she's having a girl and she wants a boy, is that an okay reason to have an abortion? To to abort a girl because you want a boy?
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I wouldn't say it's an okay reason. You can't. Yes. So then how is your view of abortion any different than customizing a Ford Explorer to your liking?
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Cuz it affects other living beings. Well yes. Like the mother. Why should the mother be able to have all the rights and the baby have none of the rights just because the mother is older? And wasn't that mother once a
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fetus herself given the opportunity for life? And isn't part of the social compact passing down that I was once in udo for nine months and then I will usher another in utero for nine months.
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That is the cycle and circle of life that compassion lives on. It's different because you know in the fe as the fetus you're not like contributing to society or the world.
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You're not a part of the world yet. I mean kids don't contribute much until they're like 23. Okay. I mean some of honestly let me ask you a provocative question. Are kids at Boise State whose parents are paying for their school are
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they parasites? No parasites. The parents are paying for their tuition. The parents are paying for their credit card bills. They're wholly dependent on that of another. How are they any morally different than that of an unborn baby in the womb?
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Because they could still survive without their parents. You know, maybe they'd be homeless, but the fetus needs like to be inside the mother and taking nutrients up to 22 weeks. That is not the case. I guess so. You you think that it's okay,
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legal, morally fine to have abortion for any circumstance under any matters, skin color, eye color, whatever it might be, like we can terminate it. How is that belief system any different than eugenics?
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I don't think it should be like there should be a specific yes reason, no reason. I think women should just be able to have an abortion if that's feel like if they feel like that's what's right for their body and their family.
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Exactly. Feel feel. So, if a woman feels like her six-month-old is crying too much outside of the womb, can she kill that baby?
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No, because it's not. It's still a human. How is the six-month-old any different than when it was in the womb? How is it a Is it a different species? Is it What has changed?
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It doesn't have life on its own. Yes. In the womb, it actually does. All that was it just has a umbilical cord attached. At 22 weeks, the baby can survive outside of the womb. Okay, then I will say that
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abortions should be allowed then up until 22 weeks. Okay, we have some agreement then, right? But then understand that if we had this proved me wrong 10 years ago, I would have said babies can live up to 26
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weeks. But now technology got so good. Now it's 22 weeks. So all of a sudden like a human being becomes more human four weeks earlier just because technology advances. Wrong answer. Human beings does not become more human just
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because we get better technology. It's always been a human being. So one day if we all of a sudden say we can grow a human being literally not in a womb, we can just grow it in a laboratory, then
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no abortion should ever be necessary. The point being is that it's a human regardless of how good our tech is because it doesn't change species. At age at 14 weeks, it doesn't all of a sudden become from a crocodile to human.
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It's a human being throughout. But it's still in the mother. The mother should have the choice.
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Location of a human does not dictate its moral worth. You don't get more human rights if you're outside of the womb or in the womb or if you're in Boise or if you're in Pocutello. Your location does not determine your moral worth. Thank
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you for your time. I got to get next question. Thank you. Hey Charlie, uh thank you for coming here to BSU today. I thank you for the opportunity for discussion. I really appreciate it. Um my question is about
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Ukraine. So I voted for Trump and I wish I voted for Kamla. Re reason being is that Kamla said that Trump would surrender Ukraine and at the time I thought she was stupid. I thought she was playing it up and I thought she
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was inarticulate and now I realize that she's correct. So Trump uh we I believe we need to be supporting Ukraine. We need to support them because uh our European allies are our trading partners. average day Americans, we uh
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we consume consumer goods that are part of a global supply chain. We need to protect Europe and Putin has made it clear that he wants to reconstitute the Soviet Union by conquering Ukraine and if we don't stop him at Ukraine, I think
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he'll probably continue to other countries. So, you voted for Kamla and you're regretting I mean you voted for Trump, you're you're regretting it. Are you thankful Trump has secured our own border that we actually have a border?
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Sure. I like the the immigration stuff. So, oh, just to be clear that you're unhappier about a foreign conflict than our own country no longer being invaded.
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Yeah, but I told you why. It's because No, no, I just want to be clear. It's just kind of your regret is based in like him not supporting a foreign country enough.
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I don't think immigration is that big of an issue. Oh, wow. So, 14 million people coming in your country in four years is not that big of an issue.
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Um, I don't know if that statistic is correct. First of all, it's 10 to It's at least 10 million. So, let's just say 10 million. 10 million people in four years is not a big deal.
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Certainly bigger than like a foreign country's government. Well, the problem is I I look around and I I've known Mexican friends who have even been illegal and they have been really good friends. They've been Right.
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Yeah. We're not even talking about Mexican. I mean, just to be clear, less than 5% of the people came across the border from Mexico.
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Is that right? Oh, yeah. From Nicaragua, Guatemala, Venezuela. Over 120 countries represented. So, just before we talk about Ukraine, when you voted, you vote more for like foreign interests than American interests.
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No, I vote for the economy, like trade, global trade. I think global trade should be secured.
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Okay. So, what does success look like in Ukraine? Well, we need to be supporting them more.
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What is more? We shouldn't we shouldn't uh How much How much money have we spent there?
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I don't know. Guessions. Uh probably billions. Guess. Uh I've heard like hundreds of billions.
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Yeah. 250 billion. Is that is that too much enough or do we need to do more?
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I don't know. But I don't think I don't think that's We need more. Sorry.
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Oh, we need more. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's very wrong obviously. Okay.
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Um I don't While our own country is collapsing and disintegrating and we're 36 trillion dollars in debt to say we need to send more money to a foreign country especially Ukraine.
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Is it a substantial portion of our budget? Yeah. I mean $250 billion is a fair amount.
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Well we spend like trillions of dollars. So that's that's 1/4 of our defense budget is sent to Ukraine. 1/4.
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Okay. That's a lot. That seems like a one of the primary interests at the time.
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I mean do you think do you think we shouldn't support Israel? Well, first of all, we don't give Israel $250 billion.
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Number two, I think we send them too much money in this last package. I have to be very pro-Israel, but it's not even close amount of money we sent to Ukraine.
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Sure. But, however, going back to like your fundamental question, we need to send them more aid.
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Yeah. Do you think Crimea should be Ukraine or Russia's? Well, they're never getting Crimea back.
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Okay. So, you're realistic, but why not? What I mean, you want to help out Ukraine. So, what part of Ukraine?
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I think we could get Crimea back. Yeah, I think so. What What What part of Ukraine are you all of a sudden comfortable with ending the war?
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um the territorial we could secede territory. That's not the concern in the Ukraine war. The concern in the Ukraine war is that they're going to destabilize Ukraine politically and try to install a Russian leader. That's why in 2014 when
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they ousted uh the the guy who's leading the country at the time got ousted.
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That's why they invaded. First of all, we we did that. The American CIA was behind the Maidan revolution.
Speaker A
We ousted him from the country. Oh, yeah. No, we were behind the Maidan student protest in 2014.
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I mean, if we if we did, that's a good thing. That's why Russia Ukraine to be clear because because we super bad thing because Ukraine was starting to align with US interest Luchess Luchenko or whatever his name was was actually very
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very prudent. Okay. Yeah. We're we're very far off and we're going to disagree on this. But you actually think that Kla Harris and her view on Ukraine was better for America.
Speaker A
I mean she would have been doing what Biden was doing which was Yeah. being more not uh not ridiculing the Ukrainian leader in the the the press the press room or whatever, right? Um, oh, you mean Zilinsky, who didn't have
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like the courtesy to have a polite posture towards the president. Well, to be to be clear, uh, Vance and Trump, they absolutely did not know what they were talking about. And so, he had to correct them because they thought
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that the war started in 2015 when it was actually 2014. And when he started correcting them, uh, they interrupted him and, uh, they were rude to him, right?
Speaker A
No. Zalinsky was rude to Trump. And do you think they should? I don't want to get in. I mean, that's just Do you think they should have let the reporter talk about his suit? Would you not have to like a world leader here
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ridiculing? There's so many different directions I could go here. When was the last time Zilinsky held an election?
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He's he's in the middle of a war and he held two elections. The Constitution says he should not hold elections because they would install a Russian dictator.
Speaker A
So So was Churchill and he held elections. Wait a second. Wait. So, if the elections would elect a Russian, maybe it's because Ukraine is mostly Russian and Well, the the concern is that like, aren't we overling?
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The Ukrainians wouldn't the Ukrainians wouldn't vote for a Russian. But the concern is that whoever they might get in is not going to be I mean, I don't know why I have to explain this, right?
Speaker A
We had a No, I just I want to understand why like why is Russia such a you think is such a threat to the United States? Because because after Ukraine they're going they're going to destroy our trade interests in the region first of all.
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Do you think they'll like roll tanks into Berlin next? Uh no because they don't b they don't border Berlin but maybe Poland or maybe Estonia or you think Putin would attack a NATO country.
Speaker A
Yeah. If you continue this of course not I mean you know that's not true. It would invoke article 5 and we would have troops on the ground. Putin won't do that.
Speaker A
I mean it depends on what Trump is doing. Right. Secondly, but you are against Trump's supposed peace deal to end the slaughter of the Ukrainian.
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He doesn't have a peace deal. He doesn't have security guarantees. Do you think Zalinski should agree to Steve Whit just came back from a meeting and he said, "We finally have a criteria for criteria for permanent peace between
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Russia and Ukraine." So, here are the options. Just to be clear, you option A is we keep the war going. That means another million people will die and we spend about half a trillion dollars.
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Option B is we broker peace and it's a muddied deal for everyone. Ukraine loses a little bit, Russia loses a little bit, but the war is over and we can focus our interest and our money elsewhere. Which one do you think is better for America?
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For America? Yes. Which option? For Ukraine to keep fighting. It protects our interests in the region.
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And first of all, I don't know why you're why are you taking all the the agency away from Ukraine and Russia? Do you these are the people in the region who are fighting each other? You're saying you like the US can determine
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that they'll have First of all, Ukraine will not survive without American armaments. Period. They don't have any agency. It's fully subsidized and supported by the American taxpayer. The average conscript in the Ukrainian military is 47 years old.
Speaker A
Yeah. They're fighting for their country. They're being invaded. Yeah. They're being raped and invaded in their country.
Speaker A
Do you know why it's 47? Because all the military age men have fled the country.
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Sure. And also they've so many young men have died in Ukraine. It's no longer a country. It is a it is a sad way more have died in Russia to be clear.
Speaker A
Well, I I find that really hard to believe. I think Ukraine has suffered way more losses than Russia.
Speaker A
No, the casualty the casualty is way disproportionate. Way more Russians have died than Ukrainian.
Speaker A
Okay. I don't know if that's true. You might That's absolutely true. There's like 3 to1 Ukrainians and Russians. Do you think they would be holding up the borders at this rate?
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That's actually not what I was going to say. If they weren't dying to I want to be clear. So you want to see the war continue to what end?
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Because the Ukrainians want to keep fighting. They think it's in their interest. That's why they're fighting right now. or else they would coup the supposed dictator.
Speaker A
There's a lot of blood lost that people get in wars. It's up for a third party like America who's financing the war.
Speaker A
It's our missiles. It's our push. It's our armaments. It's our CIA that is pushing that war forward. It's up for us to say no more. It's not in the best interest of America for us to further antagonize Russia. For us to get
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We're not antagonizing them. We are sending American missiles into the interior of Russia. How is that not antagoniz?
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Yeah. We're selling them our just like in Gaza or Do you think we shouldn't sell Ukraine weapons?
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No, no. We should end all weapons supplies to Ukraine. We should end this war completely.
Speaker A
Should we not sell them? Should we not sell Israel? Israel is a separate case largely because Palestinian Authority doesn't have nuclear weapons.
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Okay. To be clear, you're talking about you think a third party settles the conflict. That's like your theory.
Speaker A
That's your working. No, not in this. In World War II, Germany, the Nazis didn't just stop. The Nazis didn't stop just cuz they weren't going to stop unless the US invaded.
Speaker A
Putin is not the Nazis. Number one. Well, he's a dictator. Well, so is Zilinski. Okay. Silinski is not a Zinski is a dictator in the strict sense.
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Silinski doesn't host hold elections. So again, let me finish. Zilinski doesn't hold elections. Silinsky imprisons his political opponents. Silinsky has shut down Russian Orthodox churches. He's a dictator. Putin's a dictator. They're both bad guys. But I want to just make
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sure we're clear to keep the war going as Biden would while you'd send all that money where we have so many problems here domestically. I just want you to make that case to this audience that a continuation of a no-win bloody conflict
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war in a country that most of us will never visit is in the best interest of the American people.
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Uh okay to be clear Biden Biden Biden was not ensuring the war continued. He was support he was helping Ukraine. It's up to the Ukrainians whether they want peace or not. If the Ukrainians are getting capitulated, if say if Keev was
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actually taken instead of they just got close, then the Ukrainians would have surrendered, right? It's up to the Ukrainians how how much they want to fight. But Biden was supporting them.
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But Trump, he is surrendering Ukraine. He's the one who is actually surrendering and bringing I look at it differently. You know what he's doing? He's bringing resolution to a no-win conflict where we spent $250 billion that we don't have between two
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actors that are not really great. and also to not antagonize the Russian Federation. Why do we hate Russia so much? Has Russia sent drugs into this country and killed our youth? No. China and the cartels have. Has China declared
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war on America? Has China killed our kids? No. Like we we should not hate Russia nearly as much as we do. Was it Was it wrong for Putin to invade Ukraine? Of course it was. However, to have moral clarity to say, let's stop
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it. Blessed are the peacemakers. You lose some land, you gain some land. end this brutal conflict because under your perspective, another a million people are gonna unnecessarily die. It's a big lift. And for what? If a million people
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are gonna die, we better have a pretty darn good reason for the future of Ukraine and for our interests in the region. That's why they'll die.
Speaker A
To just be clear, to maybe win back a 100 miles. The best It's not about territory. It's about who that's about a stable government in Ukraine.
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Territory is the only thing left debating. That's it. It's the only thing left on the table. The only thing left is where are the lines going to be drawn? the Russian speaking people, the Donesk region, or all the way up to
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Kiev. It's literally the three options. All the way up to Kiev is probably generous. They'll have to cut the middle. Will Zilinsky take the deal? I don't know. And I'll close with this because we're over time.
Speaker A
Sure. It will be a tragedy for us as Americans to keep on financing a war like this. A tragedy where it's no win. There's no resolution. I think we have blood on our hands if we keep on doing that. You have
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to have a very clear understanding of what success looks like. It can't be an abstraction. We should try to bring the Russians closer to us, not push them away. That is a nuclear armed power that could be very helpful in in countering
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communist China. And so you say that you like Joe Biden or Kamla would have done, you know, better. Are there any other issues you think Trump has done well since he's been president?
Speaker A
Done well? Yeah. Trump has done well. Or do you want me to ask? I mean, because you say you regret your vote.
Speaker A
You want me to know what he's done poorly or well, you want me to make a concession?
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I'm asking, is there anything else you think that Trump has done well since he's been president? Um, it's honestly kind of hard.
Speaker A
Not really. Not really. Of course, the border stuff, uh, shutting down the border was good. I think like not a bunch of people spilling into the country, right? I I agree. And I'll just again, what we believe is that our own border matters a
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lot more than the Ukrainian border. And that is a perspective held by millions of people.
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It is our border. It's part of our hegemonic influence. No trading. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ukraine is not our border.
Speaker A
Well, it's like NATO is not America. It's part of our self. Now, now you've revealed yourself. That is a globalist internationalist.
Speaker A
What have I revealed myself as? You've revealed yourself as on thinking that the America experiment is one of an empire, not of one of a nation. That we create colonies when in reality we want to reconstitute America as first and
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foremost a country which is a people and a home and we are neighbors to one another, not conquering distant lands.
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You say, "Well, it is our border." No, everybody, our border is not it's not our border, but it's part of our hegemonic influence, a part of our soft power. trading partners, which is which is an abstraction that many of us
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quite honestly could not care less while we're actually being invaded by just like in World War II when the Nazis were doing whatever they wanted in Europe right?
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Not everything can be compared to World War II. Putin is not Nazi Germany. Putin is not Adolf Hitler. This is a completely different circumstance with different dimensions. Not every can can be compared.
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He's an actual dictator who we should not support. We should sanction him and we should support Ukraine.
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Muhammad bin Salman is a dictator in Saudi Arabia. The Iranian Ayatollah is a dictator. Xiinping is a dictator, but at least they represent our interests.
Speaker A
There's a lot of Well, Iran does not represent our interests. No, like Arabia does in the region, right?
Speaker A
Yes and no. Again, our interests, and I have to close. I know they're getting everyone's getting antsy. Our interest is an abstract term. What you're talking about is the CIA's interests or the neoconservative interests. Our interests should be to the homeland, not to a
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foreign nation. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you, sir. Thank you.
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