Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team) | Armch… — Transcript

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. Experts on Expert, guys. Buckle up, grab an extra pair of pants and a helmet. And a helmet. My number one crush is here today, Toto Wolff. He's a worthy crush. Oh my God, he was fantastic. He had such a fun personality. I was very surprised. Right? I'm fascinated by someone that could be as serious as he is to make that team function, and then he's goddamn playful and fun as he was outside of that. So if you're not into F1, it doesn't matter. You'll still love this because we're mostly talking about kind of mental health and the struggles of being a manager and all these things in his life. But for context, he is the team principal and CEO of AMG Mercedes, which won eight Constructors' Championships in a row, which has never happened. No one's ever come close to that for Formula One. His accomplishment there will likely never be taken away from me. It's just an unparalleled success as a team principal and a CEO. He's as good as you could be at this job. He is a part of a really interesting new book called Inside Mercedes F1: Life in the Fast Lane by Matt Wyman. Great read if you're interested in the workings of that team, which are really fascinating. That's a great starter. Please enjoy Toto Wolff. We are presented by Amazon Prime. It's more than just fast, free shipping. Whatever you're into, it's on Prime. So keep listening and watching to hear more about why we love Prime during the fact check. He's [Music] and he's ant. Feel free to use that pillow as well if you need. This sucks. We're getting a new couch just... Okay, you're fine. Yeah. Can I put God [ __ ] gorgeous in person? Monica, overwhelming. He's handsome. I know, and you're very tall. Yeah, I'm taller than a tiny bit, but you're better trained. There's a lot of nerdy things I did today. I was going to wear bigger shoes. Oh, you were? 'Cause I hoped to be as tall as him in the photo, and I even considered putting on my work boots, and I'm like, you can't cheat. What are you wearing? I'm wearing plates. Okay, good. You're on the floor too. But yeah, that crossed my mind as that. You just saw I opened one of my garage doors hoping you would be interested in my cars. And how did that go? You guys were outside for a few minutes. Did you like them? I like it a lot because it's a good mix between you. There's a Mercedes, obviously. Yes, obviously. And then I like the bikes. I'm riding bikes as well. Oh, you are? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. What do you ride? Like a tour adventure bike? What is it called? It's a vintage bike, MV Agusta. And MV Agusta have as well. So the story with the MV Agusta is more interesting than the Oran bike I just mentioned. Okay, so one day it rings at the door and we are having a scheduled dinner with Louis in Monaco. Okay, so he knows Susie for a long time. They race cars. So he comes for dinner. He rings at the door and says, come down, please. And I'm saying, no, come up. We, we, we up here. Come up to the art. No, no, there's really something I'd like to show you. So and take Susie. So we, we're going down. Susie with me. And he's there with his bike, and it's an MV Agusta, Louis Hamilton Edition. Okay, so I said, well, it's great. The bike is that what you wanted to show me? And he says, it's you. Oh, and I said, how come? He says, you know, you've done so many great things and you and I together, and I wanted to, I've never given you a gift, so I want to give you the number one of a 44 Edition. Oh, wow, that's so cool. That's sweet. That's a very sweet present. So the other one is a Triumph Thruxton, which was converted by a German tuner to a proper cafe racer, and that's the bike I ride every day. Oh, okay. I don't know if you saw in The Grudge. Sorry, Monica, I'm going to wrap up the technical stuff since this is going to be fairly appropriate. Expect. Yeah, I did. I did. I did. I have a Mercedes too that we should tell Toto. I'm about to defame Lewis. Oh boy. Because, okay, Toto, he didn't give him. Lewis earned them, but he got seven championships under Toto's direction. That's right. Yes. You and I were working together for three years, and I bought you a C43 AMG. Yeah, I got a present three years in. That's much better than an MV Agusta. I got another present, which is worse. Worse? An unlimited amount of money. So, you know, drivers are very particular with helmets, and Lewis has all of the helmets that he's collected. So giving helmets away for him is a real struggle. Yes. So I got lovely helmets from Vrio, from Nico in the past, but I knew they are less emotional about it. Yes. And can I ask quickly, he has a new helmet every race, right? No, I wouldn't say every race, but there's for sure like every second or third race. I know new paint jobs. Yeah, they change, and I think he's given me his most special one. Oh, we did. Yeah, so there was a, when Nikila died, who we were very close, both of us, he made a Nikila design helmet for the Monaco race in 2019. Yeah, and he won it holding on to, I think Daniel was behind him. It was a huge struggle. So he gave me the Nikila memorial helmet, Monaco race, and he wrote something nice in it. And I think this is a piece of memory that is, you know, that has no value. That's priceless. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, new goal in life. We're going to ride together at some point. Can we? Can be far down when we're retired or something. Okay, let's start in Austria. First of all, we're both Capricorns, and I can feel your Capricorn. Even though I don't believe in astrology, I can feel your Capricorn. What is that? Very determined. My feelings are kind of secret. I can't show vulnerability. I'm on schedule. I have to win. I'm going to beat myself up until I do. I'm managing everything. Control freak. No [ __ ] tell you the truth. Does this sound familiar? That sounds about familiar. But I don't believe in astrology either. Neither you? Neither. Yeah. So there is something that maybe Capricorns have in common is that they are born into cold January. Boom, boom. Yes. The world is a hostile place when you arrive. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, especially in Austria. Absolutely. I don't, I'm thinking whether Detroit or Austria is more hostile. It depends if we're including homicides because I think Detroit has, yeah, it has. And maybe also the freshness of the air. Yes, yes, yes. But that's why you're a Capricorn. Oral. Now I was shocked to learn this this morning that you're not Germanic. You're not Austrian. Your dad is Romanian and your mother is Polish. Yeah. And were they immigrants or had they grown up in Austria? My father was born in Bucharest, and they immigrated after the war. Interestingly. Okay. And I think there was a big wave of anti-Semitism back in the day. So my grandparents were called Rosa and Herel, and when they moved to Austria, they called themselves Olaf and Maria. Oh, wow. It's like the opposite. Like we are not Jewish. Wearing Lederhosen and blowing horns, really saying I'm Austrian. Exactly. And my mother came to Vienna when she was 18, speaking no word of German, and studied medicine, became a doctor. So that's why they met. Now, Mom was a physician. What type? Like a family doctor or anesthesiologist? Yes. Oh, wonderful. She had all the drugs. Yeah, fantastic. She took some herself, but that's a different story. Sure, sure, sure. What did your dad do for a living? He had a transport company. Oh, he did? Yeah. And I know what you're referring to. In Austria back in the day, you had to prepay the V for your customers, so that was taking a lot of risks. Yeah. So that went belly up. So he was struggling, and Mom was succeeding in a pretty dramatic way. No, I think my father was very successful at a young age, and I was born into money, actually, but then he lost all and had brain cancer at eight. Right, you're eight years old? Yeah. And at the beginning, it was benign, and then over the next few years, it got really ugly to a degree that it was incurable. But he also struggled for so long because he got operated and operated and operated, and he changed his personality. And when a son is in his teenage years, you need your dad. You need your dad to look up to, to love.

fantastic he had such a fun personality I was I was very surprised right I'm fascinated by someone that could be as serious as he is to make that team function and then his goddamn playful and fun as he was outside of that so if

you're not into F1 doesn't matter you'll still love this cuz we're mostly talking about kind of mental health and the struggles of being a manager and all these things his life um but for context he is the team principal and CEO of AMG

Mercedes which won eight Constructors championships in a row which has never happened no one's ever come close to that for Formula One his accomplishment there will likely never be so cool taken away from me it's just an unparalleled

success as a team principal and a CEO he's as good as you could be at this job he uh is a part of a really interesting new book called Inside Mercedes F1 Life in the Fast Lane by Matt Wyman great

read if you're interested in the workings of that team uh which are really fascinating uh that's a great starter uh please enjoy totto wolf we are presented by Amazon Prime it's more than just fast free shipping whatever you're into it's on Prime so

keep listening and watching to hear more about why we love Prime during the fact check he's [Music] an he's ant feel free to use that pillow as well if you need this sucks we're we're getting a new couch just

okay you're fine yeah can I put God [ __ ] gorgeous in person Monica overwhelming is handsome I know and you're very tall yeah I'm taller than a tiny bit but you're better trained there's a lot of nerdy things I did

today I was going to wear bigger shoes oh you were cuz I hoped to be as tall as him in the photo and I I even considered putting on my work boots and I'm like you can't cheat what are you wearing I'm

wearing plates okay good you're on you're on the floor too but yeah that crossed my mind as that you just saw I opened one of my garage doors hoping you would be interested in my cars and how did that go you guys were outside for a

few minutes did you like them I I like it a lot because it's a good mix between you there's a Mercedes obviously yes obviously and um then I like the bikes I'm riding bikes as well oh you are yeah

yeah yeah yeah oh okay what do you ride like a a tour adventure bike what is it called it's a vintage bike MV austa and MV austa have as well so the story with the MV austa is more interesting than

the orran bike I just mentioned okay so one day it rings at the door and we are having um scheduled dinner with Louis in Monaco okay so he knows Susie for a long time they race cars so he comes for

dinner he rings at the door and says come down please and I'm saying no come up we we we up here come up to theart no no there's really something I'd like to show you so and take Susie so we we're

going down Susie with me and he's there with his bike and it's an MV austa uh Louis Hamilton Edition okay so I said well it's great the bike is that what you wanted to show me and he says it's

you oh and I said how come he says you know you've done so many great things and you and I together and I wanted to I've never given you a gift so I want to give you the number one of a 44 Edition oh

wow that's so cool that's swe that's a very sweet present so the other one is a Triumph uh thron which was converted by a German tuner to proper proper Cafe eracer and that's the bike I ride every day oh okay I don't know if you saw in

The Grudge sorry Monica I'm going to wrap up the technical stuff sense this is going to be fairly appropriate expect yeah I did I did I did I have a Mercedes too that we should tell Toto I'm about

to um defame Lewis uh oh boy because okay Toto he didn't give him Lewis earned them but he he got seven championships under Toto's Direction that's right yes you and I were working together for three years and I bought

you a c43 AMG yeah I got a present three years in that's much better than an MB gusta I got another present which is worse uh worse an unlimited amount of money so you know drivers are very particular

with helmets um and Louis uh has all of the helmets that he's collected so getting giving helmets away for him is a real is a real struggle yes so I got lovely helmets from vrio from Nico in the past but I knew they are less

emotional about it yes and can I ask quickly he has a new helmet every race right no I wouldn't say every race but there's for sure like every second or third race I knowned new paint jobs yeah they CH and I think he's given me his

most special one oh we did yeah so there was a um when nikila died who we were very close both of us he made a nikil a design helmet for the Monaco race in 2019 yeah and he won it holding on to I

think Daniel was behind him it was a huge struggle so he gave me the nicel memorial helmet mon race wi and he wrote something nice it and I think this is a piece of memory that is you know that

has no value that's priceless yeah yeah yeah yeah okay new goal in life we're going to ride together at some point can we can be far down when we're retired or something okay let's start in Austria first of all we're both Capricorns and I

can feel your Capricorn this even though I don't believe in astrology I can feel your Capricorn what is that very determined um my feelings are kind of secret I can't show vulnerability I'm on schedule I have to win I'm going to beat

myself up until I do I'm managing everything control freak no [ __ ] tell you the truth does this sound familiar that sounds about familiar um but I don't believe in astrology either Nei you neither yeah so there is

something that maybe Capricorns have in common is that they are born into cold jany boom boom yes the world is a hostile place when you arrive exactly yeah yeah especially in Austria absolutely I don't I thinking whether Detroit or Austria is more hostile um it

depends if we're including homicides because I think Detroit has you yeah it has and maybe also the the freshness of the air yes yes yes yes but that's why you're a c person oral now I was shocked to learn this this morning that you're

not Germanic you're not Austrian your dad is Romanian and your mother is Polish yeah and were they immigrants or had they grown up in Austria my father was born in Bucharest and they immigrated after the war interestingly okay and I

think there was a big wave of anti-Semitism back in the day so my grandparents were called Rosa and herel and when they moved to Austria they called themselves Olaf and Maria oh wow it's like the opposite like we are not

Jewish wearing leader hos in and blowing horns really saying I'm Austrian exactly and my mother um came to Vienna when she was 18 speaking no word of um of German and studied medicine became a doctor so that's why they met now Mom was a

physician what type like a family doctor or anthologist anesthesiologist yes oh wonderful she had all the drugs yeah fantastic she took some herself uh but that's a different story sure sure sure what did your dad do for living he had a

Transport company oh he did yeah and I know what you're referring to in Austria back in the day you had to prepa the V for your customers so that was taking a lot of risks yeah so that went belly up

so he was struggling and mom was succeeding in a pretty dramatic way no I think my father was very successful at a young age and um I was born into into money actually but then he lost all and

had a brain cancer at eight right you're eight years old yeah and at the beginning was benign and then over the next few years it got really ugly um to a degree that it was uncurable but it also he struggled for so long cuz he got

operated and operated and operated and he changed his personality and um when a son is in his teenage years you need your dad you need your dad to look up to to love you need to D to to hate and to

fight when you grow up and that he wasn't present anymore yeah cuz you were eight when he got diagnosed and then you were 15 when he died yeah your parents also got divorced when you were eight they had no relation to the brain cancer

diagnosis did it no the divorce was that sorry that must be a kid important let's see answer we also I'd love to say hi to Susie if she's um there Susie I'm right in the PO podcast hello Susie I love you no no I'll pass

you over I'll pass you I'll pass you over I'll pass you over oh this is so exciting Susie no listen to me this is such a delight I if my wife dies and Toto dies I'm sprinting to you okay I just want to

say what a Dynamo a beautiful race car driver who also runs an academy what more does someone need all right I'm going to turn you back to him but I'm delighted to hear your voice right here's Toto oh this is

hello how fun okay sleepil okay oh she's going to bed yeah she's in Scotland she's in Scotland yeah and so I have this over um you know override in uh ringtones it's my wife and my two children oh you need to show

me how to do that that's yeah like an emergency pipers was Rings even though I don't have a ringtone I have the phone number on just when they call okay yeah I need to figure out how to do that cuz

mine just never on if we become friends text me I do I do yeah I don't need we don't need to talk on the phone yeah but I can give you an emergency override like a byass so if there's something

that really bothers you you just called me if I'm in a really bad situation be careful be careful with giving him that also you can't ignore calls then if Christen calls and can't say oh I didn't get it you know what I got to figure out

how to put it on her phone cuz she doesn't ever ever answer the phone but what I think happened is we were I was asking you about your parents divorce and Susie was always there and then she had a button to call to interrupt that

question cuz she's like oh toad is not going to want to talk about that no I talk openly about it I know you're wonderful because it it you know this is who I am yes this is later in the

conversation but I'll say you and I have a blessing we're big enough and we fit the role enough that it affords us a willingness to be vulnerable in a way men are have a hard time doing and I

think it's a luxxury yeah I think if I had a different life it would be much harder for me so I recognize like it is easier for me than someone else and we need to speak up about it yeah because

people look up to us and they think we're not vulnerable and um I had and we're going to speak afterwards like you said I had at these moments where I felt inadequate and I've had somebody telling me back in the day I have what you have

and I suffer but I still I'm still successful that would have given me a lot of Hope yeah and I didn't have hope at times yeah in your teens and this happens but Mom and Dad separated so that was separate from the diagnosis

they just were having their own no that was related to the failure of the company I think my dad made my mother sign um some collateral and um she got a house like an apartment building from her dad for the marriage yeah and that

was gone plus a credit so that was already my father was was very ill um didn't didn't know anymore what was right right and wrong and then she said trust is very difficult to to build and it's gone so that's where they separated

but I have no bad memory about the separation to be honest no they never had a bad word with each other they kept that away from us it was more seeing my mother struggled to make a living for us

and my father not having had any money anymore and that went so bad that I saw people coming to him asking you know basically to empty your pockets and um that was tough for a young did you have

brothers and sisters I have a younger sister but she's not so young anymore she's two years my my junior the thing I thought of and this is a tricky question but my dad got diagnosed with small cell carcinoma in August and he was dead on

January 1st so was like a thre Monon thing and then my stepdad got prostate cancer and that was like a two and a half threee thing yeah and I'll say the stress of having a loved one have a

condition that you're not sure when the end is I found the experience with my dad much easier to process it's like okay this is happening let's spend the next few months together I'm going to make I'll clear my schedule I'll take

you to your appointments I find it very hard and the notion that your dad had this condition for seven years and you're just kind of like where are we at what's going to happen that feels very stressful and then a guilt when you feel

relieved it's over exactly first of all sorry to hear about your dead and your step dead a terrible guilt because it was at the point that his life was miserable and I saw it and then you lose the connection you lose respect and it

came to a point that when he died I think it today in hand that it was better for him but I thought it's better for all of us and the guilty feeling that you have was so bad and it's

something that I only processed in the last few years oh really well you were a kid yeah so you can't in a way analyze the feelings that maybe you could because you were an adult but for me that guilty feeling of thinking it's

better for my dad to to be gone well you kind of wish it be over for them and yourself and and myself and my sister so I think also we were so close I remember being on his death bed um and obviously

you're not seeing your father anymore like the strong personality that people talk about um these memories you know for a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old sister I'm not sure I would do the same as me as a parent yeah well you're

mourning twice like first you mourn them with the diagnosis but they're dead essentially before they're dead because they changed completely yes it's hard to deal with they've been gone for a while but to me that was a huge gift because I

had so much resentment they got divorced when I was three he had a great life we lived kind of poorly I had a lot of Judgment of him and there was the moment where I looked at him and you're right

he was not the big demonstrative alpha male he was a little boy on a bed and I thought oh yeah he's like a little boy and he's always been a little boy and I'm still a little boy and you never

stop being a little boy and it actually dissolves so much resentment to see he's just a human that's scared that was weirdly a gift yeah I think as an adult it's it's it's a gift but not at 15 not

at 15 no not at 15 there was certainly memories that that are hugely difficult to uh digest as a kid and as I said you know I'm 52 today I would say that I probably processed it in the last 5

years only yeah that I look at it I feel more calm and reassured in my own existence only now I have found peace with him dying over so many years and also with my mother because my mother wasn't present at all because she needed

to earn the money and she needed to look after herself and protect herself so my sister and I were at home we had polish housekeeper that was good for the language actually but she wasn't there and now she's 79 she's she's not well

and she says to me I wasn't a good mother and I say I forgive you because I know how difficult it was to be at home and see the suffering but at the end you're also responsible of how I am

today so I'd rather as a kids not having trauma but I'm 52 years and if you ask me whether I'd rather be who I am today or a white elephant I'd rather be who I am today yeah I think that's the weird

piece you have to come to with your past which is if you're lucky enough to end up somewhere you're happy with like as you have and I have and I have kids I love so much and I have a great wife I

have every you know I go well [ __ ] I wouldn't Tinker with anything cuz I still want to end up right here so I got to like understand and process that it was hurtful and these things happen and

also have a weird gratitude for for it you know and like it too yeah exactly my my thoughts and my feelings yeah did something prompt 5 years ago why 5 years ago did you start confronting that I think that I was so busy in my life to

to get things done and I always had that anxiety about failure yeah I'm I I said it jokingly that I'm a half empty glass person I always stare into the abys everything could be finished tomorrow the racing uh could be ending the

winning ends the money could be all gone um my my wife leaves me for the hairdress I mean all of that I don't believe that anymore by the way with it'll be her trainer not her hair it would be the fitness trainer there is

always dangerous and only in the last few years I thought if everything was to end yeah today I could go with a good feeling you're there yeah you are absolutely if I were you and I set out on this journey firstus a race car

driver then pivoting and becoming an investor in teams then becoming a team principal and a CEO and having all this success 5 years ago you would have been on your six Constructors Championship in a row and if I were you I would go wow

we did absolutely everything we wanted to do where is the Elation why aren't I whole why don't I feel content why am I still scared you're absolutely right but I lost that anxiety I'm thinking I have a wonderful relationship with my

children yeah um like you said about your relationships I have the best wife that I can imagine I have done what I wanted to do and that's why I would have peace if it was if if I would be dying

today um and that would have then in a way been Destiny but then there is a certain risk that's coming with that too contentment and that's not good right it's scary right no I don't want that because you have I wouldn't say no fuel

but there is these moments where my anger is gone um so I need to proactively condition myself and say what are my objectives and in 2020 when the music stopped for someone that likes the music and doesn't like calm I had a

year that I was really bad mentally and I had to reflect do I want to go back as an investor and look at multiple companies and be on the board uh see businesses and technology that interest me and the variety of

or do I want to consider as a racing person as a basically a one trick pony and I came to the conclusion that I found my Niche between business finance and the love for the stopwatch and the honesty for the stopwatch and at that

moment I really proactively intellectually decided there is more to do and more to win and more to conquer but it is more with an emotion that is less anxious about success yeah yeah but the drive isn't gone it's just in a it's

channeled in a different way okay great so this is my huge fear is that my motivation for the last 49 years has been you're lazy you're a piece of [ __ ] you're a failure you're an embarrassment and now get up and do

things to disprove that theory and so the great fear of mine is like if I can can I write from a place of happiness and love can I act from a place of happiness and love and not fear could I

win from a place that's not fear-based and that's a leap of faith I'm like Midway there I'm not where you're at I don't fully trust that without some bit of cancerous rumination I'll actually be motivated but you have two years to you

know get over this and those two years were important for me but it's that I think impostor syndrome and all of the characteristic you mentioned uh they have softened they haven't completely gone away yeah um but as I said they're conditioned in a

healthier way and you know there's many people that don't want to go to a psychiatrist because they fear that they're losing their ability uh artists writers people that that have a lot of creativity that don't want to go to sort

out their mental problems they don't want to go on medication because they believe this is a huge fuel of their creativity because how often do we actually spend time in thinking about all objectives and the analogy we are

having in the team is between being between the dance floor and the balcony we on the Dance Floor most of the time that is you know in action yeah when are we going actually on the balcony and looking down what's happening on the

dance floor and thinking about what what is my strategy what's my long-term strategy here what is it that I believe I should recalibrate mhm a lot of these different Tech gurus have this builtin moment in their schedule for some people

it's like four days a month or it's a week a month or it's a month a year Bill Gates is reading week takes that stack of books and he sits in his little cabin and he allows himself to stop staring at

the thing in front of him and yeah get that kind of wider perspective you can't really do that or how how would you do that cuz you have 23 races and then in the offseason it's maybe even more work

because you have the next iteration of the car coming out next year so how on Earth would you do you build in that time so I do it actively for me for example um flying in an air plane and I

do 600 hours a year I for whatever reason I don't enjoy watching movies I don't enjoy listening to music I like reading and the reading gives me a stimulation um of thinking about those things so I stay at the ceiling I do it

in the mornings I I take my time in the mornings for myself lying in bed for another 20 minutes allows me to do these things so it's actually activities that that run in a way on autopilot and I

don't know if you know that um there is a scientific explanation to that that why do you have your best ideas um in the shower in the toilets while shaving um in the car because your brain is actually active but it's an autopilot

you're doing all of that so that is why we have those creative moments and for me it's also lying in bed or it's flying in an airplane I think a lot about those things and I write them down right that

makes sense like and I relate to that I need a certain level of distraction where you're right the subconscious is driving the car I'm not actually driving the car it's just happening and that's the perfect amount of activity that

allows me to uh Wander in my head because I'm I'm doing something so I'm kind of liberated to do that but we're all different interestingly because when I'm having an activity that is where I need to put some Force in for example

you know going to the gym and I think you're doing lots of that thank you for noticing or going for a walk to do my 10,000 steps uh for me this is like a meditation in the activity itself I'm

not capable of thinking about anything else but Susie when she goes on her 20,000 steps a day or in the gym she comes back with lots of stuff that she writes down so we're all different true do you think the fear of failure being

so intense is because you saw your dad lose everything you de my dad lost everything too by the way my dad like was rich then poor then filed bankruptcy three times before he died there wasn't a consistency there you saw everything

go away so I can imagine that makes you feel like anything can go away at any moment for sure yeah that is a scar there was like a perfect storm because they tried to have me in a private

school in a French School in Vienna um and so I saw the rich kids yeah and you you're not a poor kid in a poor environment everything is pretty normal but you seeing the rich kids and you seeing them going on the fancy holidays

going I remember exactly that moment Christmas holidays last day of school and there is these friends of mine that get got into the car uh with one of the dads and they went off skiing the three of them together and I don't and you the

suffering of that very moment is still so much in do you know what that [ __ ] garage is all about is that I wanted the cool BMX bike kids had the cool BMX bike the GT the horo the hutch and I didn't

compensation mechanism yeah and I wanted that [ __ ] bicycle and this is the bicycle like I'm still healing the wound of the bicycle I know but the problem is you get the bicycle and then you it doesn't work doesn't or you go skiing

and you're it doesn't work then then you're like well now what did it work for you 100% does for me wow oh I'm I'm jealous of that 100% does for me you're like I'm fixed no not completely fixed but I know there

was these things I wanted to take there is this nice skiing place in Austria where everybody went and it was very expensive and it's actually a small village and there's nothing U particular but having a place there was a life

Target and I have now actually there's probably better places then also going through this car and bike motion I remember my dad only had a very very old BMW 10 years old and it was damaged but he didn't have the money to actually

repair it and then I the friend's dad had a I don't know if you remember that an Mercedes AMG 560 SEC oh baby and that's exactly down your line know when I look at your garage the problem with

those cars is impossible to work on but continue I love them that's Miami Vice that's Miami Vice yeah yeah ground effects and the exactly when I showed that these cars to Suzie or to my children and say that is that was my

dream they say seriously looks awful por por turbo um you know the 3 l the early ones how about a rough a rough 9911 R uff yeah wasn't so rough wof it's a German company wasn't the big thing back in the

day you did these tuners didn't exist in that form but black 911 Turbo 3 L for gearbox um the Widow Maker 930 9:30 that was exact slant nose oh baby I do think when you don't have a dad around for

some of these pivotal rights of Passage you have to go get a lot of these exterior things to comfort yourself that you are becoming a man does any of do you relate to any of that stuff the masculinity portion no um no the

masculinity portion doesn't relate to me U I had also when my father got ill I had that feeling that I took so much responsibility on for my sister that I wanted to be an adult I wanted to be in

control of my life I didn't want to be embarrassed from my parents anymore and that attitude of being the man in the house happened when I was very young right so I never struggled with that um it was more about the things that I saw

from parents of my friends that were successful this is what I wanted to achieve so the things were like a Ferrari car collection for example or this one of my closest friends today and I love him to bits his dad was the

president of the the local football club and um there was this famous sport show on Monday evening which was called sport mon um which was spot on Monday and it was Prime Time and only the best people wether and I remember him being there

and I thought one day I would like to be in this sport show because that means success wow and and then these things happened and and you realize they they're so nice because you kind of say to yourself I can't believe it I'm there

now yeah full circle full circle and for you it works for me that works yeah that's great that is great I think that's kind of rare is it I think so and I don't know what part is American and

what part is your culture and being European but I don't know America you know it's like do this make this be this be special be unique be individ ual and then you you do those things and what you kind of feel like is like oh yeah

and all I've accomplished is I've kind of alienated myself from everyone and I it doesn't feel as fun as I thought it was going to feel like you start questioning the whole promise of it but that's not I'm delighted that's not

happening for you no that's not happening for me uh and I'm thinking why maybe because and you will think that's counterintuitive by being in Formula One I have never felt well that's actually not true I wanted to say I've never felt

of surpassing people but what I felt was anger for all against all the people that let my dad down so at the beginning it was like I'm going to show you yeah um and there were obviously generation above me but that was important really

quick yeah who who were you going to show was there a list of actual people or is just an idea of people no there was a list of actual people that didn't respect my father right and uh but that

was the early years of my professional life but when I started to think about it I'm actually trying to meet my own expectations mhm and you know that sport show on Monday was my own expectations I wasn't on T I wanted to didn't want to

be on T because I wanted to show that I'm there it was only for me and it is still today when I'm not having the success and not achieving the objectives that I set myself that is where I feel

humiliated towards myself interestingly not anybody else right it's I'm in an absolute competition against myself not a relative competition to others I completely relate to that yeah as I say you shouldn't ever compare yourself to someone else you should only compare

yourself to previous versions of yourself stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare the things I didn't fan fze about that I've gotten cuz I've gotten a lot of stuff I wasn't even bold enough to fantasize about yeah and those things

are really fun because I didn't have a fantasy and an expectation of how I was going to feel and how much I was going to like myself or what kind of self-esteem I would have I didn't have anything built on top of this fantasy so

the things that have happened that were unexpected now those I really can enjoy I don't want to downplay how much yeah Joy I do get out of this crazy privileged existence I've had and it's good because you're 50 years old yeah

and you're actively enjoying things experiences material things and there is many people who don't and for them it's just the next thing and the next thing and they come to the conclusion and it's actually not what they expected and then

you're in a vicious circle of um if you can afford to buy more and more and more and seek other relationships you know suddenly your marriage is not good anymore because you've seen uh the the next was about to say blonde but

obviously you that's not what I meant if clich 5 foot tall Indian princess of course yeah yeah no I know what you next bombshell no seriously that you're very attractive oh thank you that's oh my God I'm so jealous of you nice that's so

nice but always the next the next thing you know the Grass Is Always Green on the other side and that's not what I have yeah now I do have some questions about how you got to where you ended up

there's a couple gaps and what I can learn about you that are curious to me like one is you go at 18 and you see Formula 1 or you see you go to some racing no not Formula One not Formula

One okay but you go to some racing event and you go I want to do this now it's too late for you to do that 18 is too late for you to do that much yeah we know this you had to be carding at six

right so how on Earth did you end up racing Formula Ford without the carding background so I didn't have an interest for motor spot I had an interested Road cast mhm that was my thing um because of my past which we discussed um it was

quite disappointing to find out that my first car my mother bought it obviously didn't have any money was a Volkswagen Beetle yeah no it ended against the tree six months later and I wouldn't say I wouldn't say I was

disappointed you manifested that I manifested that yeah had just enough horsepower to crash into a tree barely enough so there is a f Road through the vienes um Forest around the city which is called the HRA and they had in the 50s 60s 7s where a very

famous race there because it's Cobblestone and when it's wet that starts to be tricky so that was my road it's about I would say 10 kilometers very twisty very fast and I raced with my friends there with the Beetle and one

day in the rain I woke up on a Saturday morning thought it's raining it's great I'm going to take the beetle onto that hun that road and bang off I went against the tree the steering wheel even broke oh my God so wow that was it crazy

stuff which we did back in the days yeah friended a Porsche and there was there was a a straight with I don't know a kilometer with a huge bump in the middle and each of us was trying with the

others in the passenger seat of the maximum speed we could achieve before breaking for the next Corner oh my God it's like 2 40 kilm an hour and that's crazy but back to your question um I just want you to know I've been in a lot

of those passenger seats and I hate it yeah but as a kid you almost don't realize you know the RIS don't you're in another Zone yeah it's like you talking about your daughter you want her to ride a motocross bike rather than sitting on

on the back and um and crashing with somebody who wants to show off a 16-year-old trying to impress her yeah to being masculine masculine yes in his masculinity Journey exactly so for me it was I didn't have to spot on my radar

and then I we visited the uh a track uh in Germany the new booking very very I've driven it so fun you have a record there I have a record there maybe in a 911 RS yeah it was the big fed um 911

2009 yes GT2 RS whatever the the racing version was but the one with the most with the most powerful engine naturally aspirated engine do you remember your time um it was a 703 but the track was different because

it wasn't the new asphal so it was much bumpier and riskier uhhuh and that the record was I think 75 but crazy dangerous yeah there's nothing like it no there's nothing like it and I was already um befriended with

nikil Lao who had his crash in for Formula 1 there and is that he burned that's why he burned and he said why did he do this he's so stupid so dangerous nobody cares what you're doing on the

very pragmatic and I was in a bit of a midlife crisis and uh so that was on a preparation lab and the cab was already feeling all the tires were falling apart and then I said to myself and that is

the amateur approach I'm going to give it one try whilst already knowing that the car had an issue and at one try I was up 15 seconds so it would have been a 640 or 635 wao anything sub seven is

is very today a good time is around 620 or so but that was 15 years ago and the track is a completely different one as I said before yeah so parts that are flat today were never flat back in the day so

I the car felt OD and I thought I'm just going to finish the lab and then I a puncture oh uh in the most dangerous part you know the um Fox Hole where it's going down and there's a big there's a

big compression to 89 km an hour which is how much 210 it's like 175 really only 300 km is 180 M an hour 179 179 I got that pry [ __ ] close yeah but you played it down it's not 17

it was 17 I was by is it 17 div 4 by 175 I don't know what percentage I was off by that's L than yeah but is it 1779 straight or is it wow 56 18 100 is important you're 6.2 times it

so you're right you're right you're right you're right too fast with the puncture yes right rear puncture went off into the guard rail went onto the roof didn't go into the forest into the trees which was lucky and I and I slid

250 M and stopped camera is still on I'm stopping the car it was on fumes and I'm de plugging my radio and I'm getting out of the car and you think everything is normal and then they found me behind the

guardrail with the helmet and the hands on lying on my back like I was sleeping and I have no recollection really so in the shock with the adrenaline got myself out of the car no concussion though cuz massive concussion so they found me

there um unconscious and um the ambulance came they put me in the ambulance and they were taking me to the to the local hospital there um oxygen on and the worrying bit was that I had an ache in my spine and I started to feel

tingling in my legs and I thought I can't believe that I mean Nikki was right yeah and I'm going into the the hospital they put me in an x-ray on MRI and pull me out and there's a nurse and I'm saying can you

just please tell me whether my spine is damaged and she says I'm not authorized to give you that information that's not what you want to hear no no that means I'm going to go get someone to tell you

your spine is injured exactly yeah yeah um or spinal cord and I'm still having the tingling but obviously you then make it up also so right now you're really feeling some tting move it oh my God I can't move it yeah

and uh so the doctor comes and he said you're fine with the spinal cord but you have some um fractures in your vertebres compression fractures W and um I'm sorry to say Mr Wolf but your eye one of your

eyes is um tilting into the inside so I had a view uh how did they call it view deviation so because of the concussion you know when the ey does is how do you call it in English yeah crossy crosy it

was a concussion so they got me into the Frankfurt neurology with a helicopter they checked me again there and said that is Waring and we got to keep you here and I said no no no I don't want to

go I want to go to Vienna a friend of mine is a neurologist so they said well you can't go to Vienna the road is too fast and the airplane you can fly because of the pressure pressure so the

doctor that I had in Vienna jumped into a private jet oh wow picked me up and flew at 10,000 ft oh so you didn't have the Press I didn't have the pressure wow came to Vienna and then that was the

diagnosis and I couldn't sleep on my back uh for 2 months because of the vertigo I got spinning like you fully drunk wow and I lost long preo smelling and tasting the nerves were damaged this it came back but everything tastes like

cotb you were not with suie yet 2011 you got married yes so so this is two years before that's how I met her the accident actually because she was on a Fitness Camp with all the other Mercedes drivers

you know she was an official Mercedes driver in touring cars she was also a development driver for williams1 that was later okay but she was on a Fitness Camp of the Mercedes Fitness Camp and I was a shareholder in the touring car

team back in the day but we didn't know each other and one of the drivers said or there was a rumor between the drivers that Toto had a really bad accident and they decided who would call me in a

hospital and they decided Susie would call me okay she called me okay but you didn't know each other or you just in passing we in passing yeah yeah and that's how we started what did she say well she said what I was okay and she

heard about the accident and we started talking and it was a half an hour phone call and yeah now let me just a picture of how perfectly programmed Susie was to meet Toto so Susie's dad owned a motorcycle shop in Scotland okay she's

from Scotland she's Scottish her mom came in to buy a motorcycle presumably in the 60s or 50s or something early for a woman to walk in and buy a motorcycle so then the owner fell in love with her

more the 70s she would be pretty upset if it was the 50s or 60s okay so sorry didn't mean he didn't mean it I was um selfishly putting her at our age which she's just not but if your mom and dad are

motorcyclists and the dad races and then you race all growing up yeah you're like yeah I recognize this this is my [ __ ] Dad I think I love him exactly and you know he raised in the aisle of man no

motorbikes no he didn't yeah absolutely he did on like a two-stroke back in the day I don't know but it was the AIS of man [ __ ] that and that's why they got the kids into cting because they felt

the two wheels were too dangerous oh wow but you know Susie carding champ woman racer of the Year multiple times one of the only women ever drive an F1 car development driver at Williams so cool driven in practices at F1 she's a bad

mfer so your kids are like there's no question but they have to try this well we were just talking about that none of that for The Elder ones um Benedict is 23 he studies in USC in Los Angeles how

amazing oh wait your kid goes to school here yeah my daughter also oh we really should be friends then we should be we got a great Guest House you saw the cars you can borrow I know you're only

legally allowed to drive that E63 wagon but that's fine no I drive all your vintage car the truck would be exactly my car okay that's exactly so the Elder ones weren't interest at all I remember when Benedict was 56 I took him to the local

C track in vietna and he said I I don't really want to do it can I go in the play park and I thought it's just a met of getting him into the card and then I will love it so I said do a few laps he

said three laps okay okay three laps so I was thinking that's going to you know I'm I'm sure it's going to go well that's two extra laps he only needs one exactly he came in after three laps and

he said that's it can I go to the play par and it was clear he had no app him but the small one is I have a seven-year-old yes and he's really into it okay yeah so I had the same

experience I tell my daughter she already rides a dirt bike I say to her look I'm not pressuring you but if you want to race carts I'll race old man class we have a tour bus let's do this

you and I will go to races and she's like all right let me try it I take her to K1 and she goes out in a group with a bunch of young it's under 12 and there's like five boys older than her yeah and

they're way faster than her and she gets a little intimidated and she comes off and she goes I don't want to do this and I go okay CU I'm trying to give her the childhood I was dreaming of and you just

have to let it go maybe it comes back well now we're 11 we get in the situation you were in so we resume the story you're 18 you go to this thing and you're one second for the 11-year-old

Susie and I are of the opinion that that can flip again so Carlos SS the old man told me that Carlos had an accident when he was six or seven they stopped racing because they all felt it was too

dangerous and a few years later the sun said I want to I want a go-kart so I don't think that 11 per se is too late if a kid is really into it true they're more conscious they are more able to

learn still building your synapsis so I think I think that still goes but yeah yeah yeah yeah but you can at least relay you go there you got high hopes this is going to be this wonderful thing we share and they go this isn't for me

this is your dream and you go okay this a p thing now she's moved on to her mother's dream she's doing musical theater doing musical theater I would cry at either when I watch her sing I cry and if she was winning races I would

cry you know you're cheering now for musical theater and uh whatever they do we start to cheer for it you just want them to love something I want them to love something I don't care what it is just love something and Chase it that's

all I want for you I want you to be on the chase but maybe they're too young for loving something you know we're putting all this pressure on the Young Generation you know you got to have a passion and you got to have a real

interest and you got to perform in school or at Sports and I think I I let my kids be and they're looking at Instagram and everybody's perfect everybody's millionaire has a has a sensational body they're on a boat all

the time yeah exactly and so they're thinking I'm inadequate I'm letting them be and my son I feel now is you know he's in his senior year he's thinking about what to do next and I'm taking all pressure off say you don't need to have

a passion at 23 because I didn't um the motor racing was gone by 23 and I seriously didn't know what I was interested in apart from making money had you gone to college at all yeah it was a dropout um when the racing ended I

also dropped out of college said I'm going to start working now and I want to be the youngest guy working and I didn't care what it was there wasn't anything like passion one door opened the other one closed and another one opened and

another one opened and I'm taking the pressure out by saying this is don't look at me this is my 52nd chapter you're in the 23rd right right right I was more lost than you can imagine at your age relax breathe exactly yeah yeah

that's help well then that's my next mystery so you pivot again you race for a while and you're good you're not good enough to be in F1 and you're likely too big as I tell everyone the only reason I'm not racing for AMG

is because I'm Too Tall we would be the ones with the earrings and championships on our bels and uh it's rare you hear a tall guy complain about being tall too tall for us this is the one time for us we all

try to be small no my shoulders are just too wide oh no also so sorry your biceps you know the biceps real problem but you pivot and you get into business and as I understand it and as the lore suggests you start raising

money for startups or Tech internet that's kind of newish uh there's a lot of opportunities and what you start doing is going to companies and saying I will help raise money for you but I want some Equity exactly why the [ __ ] did

they trust you to do that you didn't have any Equity of your own to bring to the table I can't imagine so my friend and business partner since uh 30 years R was saying exactly that to me back in

the day why the [ __ ] should they give you Equity but I still don't deserve it and what do you know about IPOs right so I still went there and probably you know for whatever reason convinced them and

said there is no downside for you if I'm not raising the money for you or we're not IPO in your company then you're not giving any shares to me you're like an agent kind of if it works out give me

10% exactly that was my selling story yeah and it worked okay have you started to acknowledge the gift you and I were given this has hit me over the last 5 years as things have been explained to me and I've I've

changed my opinions on things like I grew up I was brought home to a single white trailer ton of violent stepdads addiction all through the family it was a rough go so when I heard White Privilege I was like what privilege what

privilege did I have sure some white kids have a lot of privilege but I didn't have any that was I was stuck on that and I had this Moment of clarity where I was like well I was a fully

functioning addict for 10 years I drove around this city all the time with Coke in my car I was drunk half the time I interacted with police and I went oh that's the privilege if I were black I

would be in prison for the rest of my life end of story I would be shoted I didn't talk to police with the right amount of respect you know there's no way and I was like okay yeah I do have a

ton of privilege I've just now come to own the fact that like being 62 is a lot of it I've directed movies I've gone into Studios and said give me $30 million you can trust me I'll lead this

group of 100 people into this end zone you believe I can do and a lot of it is I'm just tall it looks like confidence yes so first of all we now we know each other for 45 minutes you have Aura Charisma you're

convincing you're intelligent that are the USPS um or this is your character maybe it gives you credibility of being tall but I have seen pretty successful men that were tiny Christian Herer yeah he's more he's he's more Square um but I think he's laughing

about that I like horer I interviewed him I had a good time well let's not go too far but I think he can laugh about it um so there is Tiny men that I have met who were very powerful and

successful look at Bernie eglestone yeah yeah yeah yeah well f1's littered with tiny men who are powerful and successful the drivers yeah many that a drivers and saw the humiliation of not being good enough there's not many successful

drivers that made a success out of a management career yeah I think you're you reducing yourself to your height or to your physical I think it's in the mix I think it's one of the gifts I was given well I think it's made you feel

confident it's had that impact and so then you exude confidence and that's compelling to people I yeah chicken or egg I guess yeah exactly I will say with the privilege thing though I think privilege is not the right word I mean

it's like the easy thing that's been spread around but it's more benefit of the doubt it's like white benefit of the doubt really is what it is I'm going to assume this kid's not high on drugs and I'm going to assume yeah I think if you

go back to a white trailer and you have abuse and alcohol you had a rough upbringing and that is part of your trauma and your humiliation that's shaped you I think that addiction suddenly is a self-destruction phenomenon in my opinion or because it's

just fun have you had any poll towards that what's your relationship with alcohol uh so obviously everybody was into alcohol at a certain stage and that that worked really well for me yeah yeah it's fun when it works it's fun exactly

so I was never kind of into drugs in my school everybody would smoke joints I didn't smoke any cigarettes everybody Smoked Cigarettes as well so I felt that it never worked obviously you got munchkins and you were giggling a lot

but I I I felt doesn't work for me but there was an incident that uh we were in an apart of a friend of mine 16 years old and so the whole purpose of the Saturday night was you know smoking a

water pipe or whatever so we did all of that didn't give me a lot and then I left the apartment and walked about 10 minutes to the subway station down in the subway station and you know there's these yellow lines where you wait for

the subway to for the metro to come and I stood there realized I didn't have any shoes on oh wow so I am walking back into the apartment at the door this stoned friend of mine opens the door and

I'm saying I forgot my shoes and that made there night they were laughing it off so it had an effect but I was too scared of the rest I was too scared I was already mentally fragile and I was

scared that it would leave me in a dark place that's why I never kind of dived into it but we tried a lot oh you know another reason we might not be seeing eye to eye on the height thing is yours

came really late didn't it yeah yeah I think that's a big distinction you mean growing late I've been this size since I was 12 ah okay now with me it was catastrophic you know I was 180 which is

6t and my weight was 100 lb wow so that was pretty bad that was me in high school string beans yeah we weren't very attractive for the girls no I had a huge nose a terrible haircut I was so skinny and Tall it was rough same

for me yeah yeah so more humiliation do you identify with being handsome like when people tell you you're handsome do you accept that that's reality or do you still think N I think you're confused I think you're confused you too isn't that

wild yeah me too I'm like no no I'm an ugly duckling from high school no one liked me but that's maybe why you're trying to you know you're working out you're trying to compensate that because you're really not believing in that yeah

exactly and then I don't want to look at myself too much because that is vain and narcistic but we still do yeah yeah yeah we're human I look at you enough I follow su's in stagram and she's really

generous there'll be pictures of you wakeboarding pictures of you holding the kid over your head on the beach she's helping us out but she would never post like a swim trunk photo or so because for her that's ridiculous and I'm a

grown-up man and I shouldn't do the Instagram thing of racing drivers of uh showing off but she's keeping you humble she does and you know we have fun at home when you're in front of the mirror and you're doing some stupid posing and

she says that's really running me off don't do that yeah she's I'm glad you have her that's good good we learned pretty early that our family life is only good if our marriage is good so when you when you look at the way she

talks about herself number one is wife number two is being a mother and that's very unusual and the career comes third so she would say I am need to work I want to have my own career but if I had

to compromise on number one and number two I wouldn't compromise and nor I nor me I wouldn't do it either no I'm you know she's such a good manager or entrepreneur I think she could do much more um and she could base herself in

London or so and um she says I don't want it and I'm saying to her you know if you have were to have a career in in Motorsport and you were conflicted with me I would step out of an executive role

it's anyway a lot at the moment and you know become a dormant shareholder yeah um but she says let's look at the big picture here I think we got to rely on you you have to be realistic about who

can do what yeah there's been moments in our marriage where we should prioritize her career it's generating much more money and then there's been times where mine's generating more money so we got to prioritize mine absolutely yeah you

have to be realistic and I was also put put off you know when you following this cliche of being with a model or or so I'm embarrassed for those guys yeah me too I am I see them and I

where's the personality where's the challenge this is embarrassing for you but I think you need to go through that and first of all then never use uh alone because they seek recognition as well yeah exactly um if a girl stares at her

own pictures on the computer that's a warning sign for me uh so too much staring too much yes yes there's a healthy version you say that all the time about like not wanting models or but you you did try it oh yeah

yeah I attempted to raise my own self-esteem through other women and I didn't like myself anymore when I looked in their mirror and I was over I was like oh this doesn't work I can't like absorb their High status I'm trying to

but I can't I'm not following that cliche and when I see men like you say said what are you thinking yeah a friend of mine he he got together with this beautiful lady and he was very famous and uh she left him now and Susie was

very pragmatic to him he said what did you expect right right yeah what did you think was at the end of this yeah exactly for people who don't know a lot about F1 and obviously this podcast is largely women and not F1 fans although

we've turned a lot of people into F1 through Danny Ricardo yeah we love Daniel and I are are really good friends and he's been on a bunch of times I wear his merchandise he the greatest the greatest he comes he brings me that

stuff it's great mon too yeah I love it super cool he has a very great eye he's a great eye he's a wonderful Dude talk about charm oh my yeah and he's always so positive how this ended is a real

shame how they didn't give him the platform um because he's done so so well yeah but I don't think it's the end of his his career that the style that he has with his fashion connection he's he's going to be fine he's going to be

fine for sure so for people don't know Formula 1 is 23 races and it's all over the world and not only is it all over the world is not planned with any seeming logic so it's like you'll be in

the Middle East One race and then the very next race you're in Europe then you're in the US then you're in Asia you live 7even eight nine months of the year weekly adjusting your sleep schedule by 12 hours sometimes I don't know how

that's manageable um how many miles a year do you fly I don't know miles but it's about 600 hours how are you managing your sleep what is your routine I want to hear about how you exercise you've got a gorgeous physique oh it's

gorgeous it's not on your no it's gorgeous especially considering your schedule I've talked about it with my friend Charlie who owns a CrossFit gy he is an Adonis and we both go the other route to go would be Toto which is like

this guy's clearly an athlete he's not bulky but he's lean it's a look that's what Monica that's what everyone likes yeah yeah yeah preferred this is for other guys yeah that's a manto man thing still ities from Junior High

exactly I think you has a more intellectual angle if you're not too bulky you're not bulky either what do you do for your physical fitness for your diet I I learned this about we both do this there's anytime I learn

something we did the same thing I loved it one was I eat the exact same meal every single day but I want to hear about what you eat how you deal with your sleep and what's your exercise routine and what is your kind of mental

health approach to the highest pressure job someone could have so let's start with the with the last one because that's most important for me I am more at risk of a bore out than a burnout but that sounds like okay I think of myself

for me stresses where I'm most comfortable but it is but unfortunately it's only a coping mechanism I would love to sit on a stool in a coffee shop in Greece or or Sicily and not do anything and read a

newspaper but I can't my mind is too busy stay tuned for more armchair expert if you [Music] dare the more pressure I have the better I feel yeah that's my real comfort zone I had to take decisions at the age of

eight I never think about it I go in a restaurant I look at the menu it takes 10 seconds so I only have wear the same clothes Louis thinks about me I'm the most boring fashion guy well he's very

fashionable you guys are fun opposites yeah it is very fun opposites it's a an Odd Couple it's a great Odd Couple yeah we are he hates everything I wear he hates the most my shoes that are coming from a tail Vienna

he doesn't take any more clients and I'm showing them and he says this is the ugliest pair of shoes that I have ever seen um but that's part of simplification I wear the same trousers the same same shoes in every color uh

blue beige gray uh suits it's all the same so I'm not thinking too much when I'm packing yeah but in terms of the mental health I think as long as I have to solve problems I'm really in a good

space mhm when it's calm and comfortable I can take it for 10 days yeah like a holiday or so I start to not feel well at all it's not like I want to be busy but it's like I'm going into a darker

place because it needs the balance so you I realized we took a holiday in Sardinia with which is a beautiful place for 3 Days in July midseason and I remember floating on my back in the sea in the azour water and I thought I feel

so great yeah we went to the same place for 3 weeks holiday three weeks I never felt that good and it got worse and worse I tell my wife I'm like I'll go anywhere I'll do anything but like every

other day I got to get in the car on the island and go explore I got to do something novel I got to stimulate I got to meet some people look at people I love I don't want to necessarily speak

to people but I want to be in the middle and look at them and just a Piaza in Italy yeah I can do that for S hours for dinner a few capuccini and look at them and think about who are they what's their life is

it as romantic as it looks yeah exactly um but not talk I don't want to talk with them okay I'll do the talking when you guys go on your buddy motor and I'm listening I think we're good combo so the mental health when

you're on the road and you are in the middle of the season do you have a checklist I tried all sorts of meditation Transcendental Meditation um ayuvedic meditation then with a mantra uh mindfulness breathing Jacobson I did all of that doesn't work for me because

it's too calm trying to calm my mind yeah doesn't work I need the opposite I need activities that stress me that's why racing a car is so fine because there's nothing else you can uh think about I like um going to the gym and go

ballistic um so I can't breathe anymore uh I am I into free diving oh you are yeah I do lots of that because it there's because you saw the deep blue the Luke bassan movie as blue the long

version did you see the long version yes of course Jean Rena and yeah fantastic so I do this I got George and Louis into free driving also really yeah what what's the farthest you've 35 35 MERS meters and 15 ft yeah yeah yeah yeah so

I'm not using weight it's just swimming down myself okay and Netflix made quite a thing um of there's an episode of George in drive to survive next so we went free diving um they had a full cam crew two boats divers in the water

divers to look at us and do all of the filming mainly for George so I'm the semipro and we're doing this first dive with the world champion that is coaching us and the first dive is an accommodation dive so you go 5 10 m uh

your body gets used to it so the mind says okay we are here in uh abno mode and we need to hold the breath and manage our energy level so I'm doing my accommodation dive 25 M 75 ft and I'm

going down at 10 m and I feel so great so I'm thinking I'm going to go all the way down uh I'm going all the way down it's easy I feel I feel a little bit of a pressure in my right ear Pang I do my

ear drum first shitty dive the whole Netflix thing is gone you look like a chump like a chump uh George does his 3 m 7 m and by the end he was at 25 as well so yeah that wasn't my greatest

moment but free diving is great because you can't think about anything El yeah have the exact same story but a little different they wanted to do a story on me for some TV show and they oh this is great Benedict my son oh

wonderful let's see what he's up to tell him you're in Los felis hi Ben I'm in a um I'm I'm in a podcast really fun one you want to speak ask if he's heard of it armchair expert armchair expert he

knows that he looked at it because I said to him can you check out you're in thecast WoW D you're getting everyone Benedict hello oh I'm good this is Dax you're going to USC yeah and what are you majoring in in business in business

you didn't get um pulled towards film and television I did not I don't know if I like this I don't know if that was the right move oh boy my sister was in the car she's doings she's doing coms what's

your name I'm Rosie hi Rosie um we've got a whole plan laid out your dad's going to start spending a ton of time here in La at my guest house so so obviously you guys will be in the mix

quite a bit you're living downtown you're Benedict you're doing everything wrong no no let them be you need to be in Los you need to major in film directing and you need to live in Los felis and we got to get you straightened

out and I know we're running out of time this is your senior year all right I'm going to turn you over to your dad now your Dad's getting frustrated CU this is his time and not your time byebye that's the one phrase Dax

what is the how much does your shirt cost viil c c pul yeah why I'm sending them the address okay great great great okay you need to be stimulated what about sleep how on Earth do you deal with that yeah so we had a nasza doctor

that gave us sleep plans and say you know this is how you accommodate for jetl because obviously astronauts you know they have many times in 24 hours I don't know how many times they have a Sunset and a a sunrise every hour and a

half they're going 1,500 mph around a 24,000 M object yeah so there they need to sleep somehow and the truth is our guys react to Daylight yeah and um so we were wearing shades when we took off even if it was day in the airplane we

were eating uh breakfast at 4:00 in the afternoon because it was breakfast time in Japan um lots of these things but now after many years in the sport I changed my thinking and like what what I do and

that is I just don't care you don't stress about it I don't stress about it I sleep wherever I can uh on in the plane I sleep or when I'm awake I'm not looking at the time zone of arrival I

arrive and it's daylight or night and I try to sleep and if not I'm ping a little bit of a melatonine or we have Al a sleeping pill if you work the next day not the heavy stuff and it's only for a

sleep pill it's not the one that puts you into coma right right or makes you get up and make a grilled cheese in the middle of the night uncontrollable stuff yeah don't walk to the subway with your shoes off yeah and

when you're like and you can't pronce take a second one of these yeah I was in Japan with Susie and we were in this hotel in Tokyo and I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep so I took half of a

sleeping pill and she gets up and I said why are you getting up in the middle of the night and she says it's 9:00 in the morning and I was [ __ ] I just took a sleeping pill oh no she did all the s

see I slept for the whole day I sleep when I sleep I'm awake when I'm awake but I follow my nutrition discipline in a very very strict way I know breakfast is two pieces of pumper nickel toast extra Krispy tomato cheese

no tomato H ham ham ham ham ham and an espresso and a sparkly water I don't do it anymore what don't you do I don't do breakfast anymore oh no that's done yeah that's done I do a cappuccino no

breakfast no breakfast because I feel like that is useless calories yeah I'm not hungry anyway the cappuccino is a little um treat it does me feel little bit sick afterwards I'm not hungry yeah the right amount of nausea exactly

uh and then I'm having lunch and dinner and for lunch wherever I on the racetrack I only eat the same and that is a chicken breast uh some vegetable tomato um and I treat myself to half a glass of full sugar Coca-Cola that's

good for digestion okay half a glass of regular Coca-Cola yeah not your half pregnant Diet Coke right right you're disgusted by that yeah you're smarter than Bill Gates and I but continue you got me on that one then I

try to do leanin protein but then I can indulge as well if I see something really nice on the menu or if the local food is marvelous then I will have some of the pasta when you're at Monza yeah the

pasta is do you drink wine no no wine no alcohol no I I don't drink wine I don't drink beer because of the gluten I it doesn't do me any well if I'm drinking alcohol then it's full blast vodka Ah

that's the Romanian in you polish yeah polish because you don't drink huge amounts and you after like 20 minutes you're already um having fun yeah the liquid is not huge and um and you're not mixing so I don't feel sick I don't feel

bad next day hung over yeah hung over nice okay I have just a couple of remaining questions uh these are just Curiosities um March 15 March 16 these are the names of your two companies are those people's birthdays no that was the

day I create I set the company up so I wasn't very creative so I said why don't we do the day the DAT today okay coincidence in 2004 it happened to be March 16th no it took the next date so

it it had a reason at the beginning and then it didn't have a reason at the end yeah breakfast we talked about yeah working out because you're a gym person going to the gym I'm not a cardio person

are you a cardio person I hike that's the extent of my cardio yeah that's F I can't get on a treadmill I can't jog cycl cycling we're too tall for bicycles we looking like huge gorillas on this tiny little thing even me on the race

motorcycle I look ridiculous people comment when I post pictures I think I look so cool and they're like is that a normaliz bike exactly normal siiz bike exactly and we're not good with aerodynamics as well so we have a

deficit against everybody else yes but under breaking it's good if I sit up I pull a lot of drag yeah like Valentino Ross you put your leg out also to balance were you there the day that Valentino and lewi swapped no but I had

to give permission you did yeah so I gave it and I think they both enjoyed it a lot L is you know the annoying kid in school that does everything right and fast he was quite good on the bike yeah

so I tell you a story about biking secretly that didn't tell me um they went testing inz with my head of strategy who is also a keen motorbike guy and one of the engineers and I couldn't get hold of him for two days

and then I'm calling Lis my engineer picks up and he says it's all good all is fine we just finished um biking and just whatever you hear he's all fine I said what happened oh my God he fell

fell but he was 4 seconds off the Moto GP Pros only no it's unbelievable no the body feeling that he has is what makes te a champion but in that dock Valentino is my God I mean that is number one

people have Jordan I have Valentino Rossy the doctor 46 he's everything the spirit of him he's so elegant everything's so great he was not terribly far off Lewis in the car I thought what he did in the car was kind

of mind-blowing I think from motorbike guys it's easier to drive a car fast than for car people because it's just so much more complicated with you know balance on the bike I think the break on a motorcycle takes some real work but my

favorite part of that dock is Valentino rosi there's this great documentary with these two come together they're both Monster Energy athlet so I think it was sponsored by monster and and Valentino gets to drive his F1 car SL Toto's F1

car I see I see I see and then LS rode Valentino's Moto GP bike which is a [ __ ] handful this is like a 320 goes much faster than a car but doesn't break because obviously you have

no contact oh my God in the corner speed's lower but yeah they're going 225 mph at every track it's nuts but anyways Valentino Roso he's got the cutest personality imaginable and he is a Formula One nerd he's been watching and

he loves Lewis and he loves Bono Lewis's race engineer who's always in his ear so he's been watching for years and he's hearing Bono say to Lewis push push push so Valentino gets in the car and he goes

hello Bono and he goes yes Valentino and he goes will you tell it to me a PO poos say push push push and he's like he's been waiting his whole life for that yes it was the purest moment funny though

you can be the absolute best at what they do the top of their field arms and yet they want to do some they want to be the best at something else like we are not satisfied as people it is crazy but

they are former special breed also that never satisfied yes I mean I guess that's how you get to be those people yeah I I hope I I'm not doing I'm saying anything that would be important for him intimate he asked me

once you'd rather be successful or happy M we have H talked about this too and I said what what is it with you and he said successful you want to hear verbatim one of my questions to you yeah

are there certain Endeavors that are inherently antithetical to mental health the goal of a healthy human should be to feel worthy of love and affection regardless of their status or accomplishments but that simply cannot be the goal of a person pursuing Victory

or Perfection how do we make peace with that your human goals are antithetical to almost your career goals as a human what we would strive for is that I'm worthy of love and affection just because I exist but in racing and

business that's it's not that that's not the rules of the game so you're balancing what you want as a human and then also what you want is uh someone engaged in an Endeavor but there are people that are really happy with their

lives and they they don't um Thrive for being in some kind of record books whatever our KP are are various kpis use of the two of you will be very different in what you want to achieve to mine

specifically was your answer happiness or was it success since a few years they are converging mhm before it was success only yeah you're also 16 years older than Louis 12 12 yeah that's my age yeah well he's two years older than you 14

January oo couple days yeah Capricorn know that I'm not into birthday you know I forgots Kut I forgot my wife's birthday that's not a good so we were in a hotel inart we're coming down in the lobby there is my team waiting for us and they

all happy birthday suie and I was like [ __ ] so everybody looked at me because they know I'm not good with these dates every day needs to be a birthday why I need to s celebrate that you're already older than you are I

couldn't agree more I think it's embarrassing to have birthday parties all of it's embarrassing but I get that you're celebrating that you're still alive maybe that's the reason so she's looking at me and she she laughs and said I had

it all prepared for the afternoon that's what you said wait till you see what's coming in noon you're texting someone on your team yeah help help no I got a card so um but she knows me so we have a age gap of this 12 years

but it's more that we are the Gap is more like not a dad and son is more like brothers it's not father son no no no no we are much more peers friends than father son we can vice versa play

different roles if the other one needs the support or yeah difficult periods I don't want to ask you this question cuz I don't think you're going to like it but I it crossed my mind was there any part of you that was relieved that Lewis

decided to leave and that you never had to make that decision absolutely you couldn't make that decision I couldn't make the decision from a personal standpoint we owe him so much and I didn't want to do the decision as

Mercedes letting a the greatest champion ever go it's so disrespectful and maybe he felt that also that's part of it he knew that antonell is in the in the pipeline it was something that I almost had in the back of my mind that that

would happen yeah I think it's heartbreaking but I also think it's the best version of what could have happened yeah it was a cur ball thrown at us and it still feels weird that he's going to wear a Ferrari overall next year and

drive the red car it's just a bit Sur surreal but we had this 17-year-old in the pipeline I didn't want to miss out on him like I did with Max back in the day I didn't have a car yeah so that is

all falling into place yeah and I can kind of get where he's coming from because we weren't successful our car was not quick quick enough certainly had a mega offer on the table every Formula 1 driver wants to drive a

Ferrari I think that's it for me like as someone Who Loved Someone even if I wanted them in my life still I would understand like yeah that's what shoem marker did that's what you do I want the best for him even though I'm going to

aim to for him that we beat him next year but I want the best for him also from a personal side I had a little fantasy when he left that You Were Somehow going to get Adrien newie and

Max yeah you're like me too I also have that fantasy so I saw what can I say without you can't say [ __ ] but yeah I think on the engineering side I'm really happy where we are we are not

having the success on track that we would want to we had three race victories this year to un Merit but I feel in a really happy space with James Allison being our technical director we reorganizing the team we've hired we've

let somebody some people go so we that's what I'm happy and on drivers yours Marx and I we always had a correct relationship it suffered a bit in 2021 because it got dirty from both sides mhm also it sucks you were on the inside of

it so it's not as pleasurable on the outside that's what a year what a year yeah what a [ __ ] year and it's part of a great the success we're having today it was really dramatic and I

remember on the Christmas table the topic that nobody wanted to touch of on many Christmas tables was Trump brexit and Abu Dhabi 2021 right so I've been in many fights my uh my own I have a single question

about that event can we give some context for people who don't know the most improbable thing happened which is in 2021 Max and Lewis enter the final race tied at 235.50 points something like this5 it's like imp impossible it's

impossible and half a half Point somehow add up the improbability that he has 2500 employees making a car Red Bull has 2,000 employees you have all those variables different designs two different beings they're finishing every single qualifying within a 100th of a

second of there's too many variables for it's impossible now you add in through all this dramatic season there were points taken away there were laps given back there was judgment calls they land at 235.50 it's not possible the race goes

on Max is not going to win he is behind three cars that have been lapped is it three or four or something like yeah there's an accident uh the race goes under uh safety car so everyone's bunched up now here's my

question as I understand it and I could be totally wrong they unlap cars that have been passed so like the person between Max and Lewis they're number one and two but there's three cars in there but they're in spots 18 19 20 so the

rules as I understand them is that under a safety car the cars in between are allowed to unlap themselves so they're allowed to go out in front of the lead car and join the back of the pack where

they belong I see but what's really weird is that they don't unlap them right away that to me is like I this is the problem it's not like who did what it's like they should have been unla right away they weren't so four laps

goes by and then they make a decision with one lap left to let them unlap okay Max is on brand new tires Lewis is on 13 lap old tires the safety car pulls off and Max passes him within two turns and

he wins the championship it would have been Lewis's eighth Championship which would have made him surpass schoe marer the stakes could not have I mean the drama of it is it'll never get better now my question and when I've been in arguments with

people I'm like are you saying they that they don't unlap cars or are you saying in that situation they shouldn't have unla cars so the strict interpretation of the rules is you need to unlap the cars and make them join at the back so

take one box we win the championship it's clear because there's not enough laps left and the race finishes under safety car yeah um the second version is once you make the cars on lab you need one more lap La before green flag oh we

win the championship um the third one was more of an outlier against the rules but we could understand is give it the last lap um so you have a green flag lab and not behind a safety car then Lis would have

won because there was a few cars in between well that's questionable three or four cars in between l i mean Max potentially could have got by them and I don't know but I you know was anyway not part of the rule yeah um we couldn't

have beat it for fresh tires because we were in the lead we would have given up position and then the race would have ended up under yellow or safety car so we would have lost the race so five laps

to the end we are world champions there is no scenario that would done we've won yeah won I can see in a garage already and then someone decides decides the rate the world championship should end with a lap and that and what you say

uning those cars in the middle is unheard of both drivers were deserving Champions because of the up and down during the season and probably both of them should have been world champions I'll argue to you had a better card than

Red Bull that year at the end not the first half of the year right um I think LS was the stronger driver in the second half Max was in the first half and the same with the cars both of them they

should have both had the trophy but on that day in that race the the race was decided and it fell the other way this is the most controversial thing in all of one of the last yeah probably in most

sports wow that was so clear that the referee decided to do something which was not in the rule book not even a judgment call but just not in the rule book but having said that it was more like The Madness of it yeah the chaos

and the confusion exactly and I felt that the other side and that's not Max but you know there was not one sentence in saying that was a difficult day for Mercedes we kind of a could have gone either way we got lucky um yeah they're

both deserving Champions today it went against Mercedes it went against us before there was not one word from uh Christian or the other team in acknowledging that it was like entitlement I'm guessing though because it was so disputable that to even say

that sentence would have felt like it could have tipped it I don't know we would have said it yeah it would have been the right thing to do you there's humans at the end of all of this exactly

yeah yeah and I entered the sport through drive to survive did you yes really okay I was like this is boring they don't pass each other what is this racing who cares and then when I learned what's happening technically I was like

oh there's a whole this is way more in depth and interesting than than than it seems on the surface and I think the drama helped the sport also drive to survive happened when everybody was at home yes and believe it or not our

strongest growing demographic is a young female is 15 to 24 year old yeah because there's all these Hot Boys driving around is that the reason we don't know really why it's part of it for sure it's definitely Charles is a super model

Danny was the cutest guy in the world Lou is gorgeous they're all they're all gorgeous there's only a couple Duds in the whole group out of 20 guys that's yeah and the women do they're like that's my guy that's my guy there

something for everyone no yeah oh yeah also that show is just so well done they really get you invested now that was one of my um questions I'm keeping you too long but no don't worry we wear on the

phone for quite a while so you're a very smart person you're also very incentivized because you own a third of the team you're experiencing this from a lot of different viewpoints you're a team principal you got to win but you're

also an owner and so I think you naturally saw that when Liberty Media came in and bought this and and they expressed this uh goal of making the entertainment more present and the sport but the bringing the entertainment up

I've heard you talk about it and you're like initially we're like H that's a little scary but I think you're a business owner and and this worked I mean [ __ ] the first time I went to Dakota the race weekend was 120,000 and

it was 440 last weekend single biggest event in the United States last year who would have ever thought that the Formula One race it forx yeah so you at some point in the first year Mercedes and Ferrari didn't participate in drive to

survive oh I remember that yeah and then it was a blessing in these guys for the sport because so many other personalities were featur true we wouldn't have had we wouldn't have had Danny we wouldn't had Gunter we wouldn't

have had Danny yeah it was a blessing we got to learn a lot about a lot of other drivers but at some point you're smart enough and incentivized enough that you go okay great so I I get it this is this

entertainment thing is kind of working and now you too have to assume a character in this soap opera and I'm wondering a how easy that was for you to take on I've been to races and been in the paddock and watched you walk around

like you're a movie you're a full-blown movie star at that race you know you're on your scooter and people are excited having to be a character in the soap opera how has that been so I think one of the features of uh of myself and what

I'm looking up to in other people is authenticity we kind of feel when somebody's not authentic you know and even if you're intellectually not capable or you're not thinking about it when you watch someone on tell or in a

movie or you meet someone instinctively you say I don't like that person or I like the person and for me there's a lot of correlation with being authentic and I don't want to walk away from that so whatever I do whether the cameras or the

microphone points to me I'm trying to always be authentic and not not act for the cameras super important yeah that's hard though it's super hard yeah it is it's tempting it's right there yeah that's why we didn't play it the first

season with Ferrari I didn't want all of my people to be distracted by a camera and then suddenly good perform and so distracting yeah of course the camera points on you so I never do that but you understand

that the show is so successful that there is a lot more visibility of yourself and formula one that has happened for me the kind of status in terms of media visibility happened very late in my life you know probably when I

was I was 45 46 so I seeed with a certain uh skepticism surprise why would people wanting to take a selfie with me and um I look at the benefits yeah like why is Brad P I could show you right now exchanges

between me and Brad Pit talking about you seriously as he I'm going to take full credit for this in front of you he and I love Moto GP I watched drive to survive I said I text him watch this documentary

text me when you finished I know it'll be within 24 hours he text me in 16 hours this is incredible I'm so in next is he befriends Lewis I'm learning that he's going and hanging out with lwis and

then I said yeah but let's talk about Toto and he said listen I have this text this is going to kill you Toto's also a great dancer where where did he get he was somewhere and he saw you dancing he's

like you're not going to believe this Toto's also a great dancer I'm like oh [ __ ] this guy's got it all wow like yeah you have Brad Pit is completely enamored by you that's a very weird turn of

events at 45 yeah absolutely so I generally am not Star Struck um and I admire people that are really good in what they do independently whether they are famous or not but there was this moment when they started the documentary

they were interested in my role and I think um K plays a little bit of a Toto the team owner and uh Team principal by the way super guy uh Curious interested we're talking about this and we agreeing

on dinner at our house in Oxford uhhuh it rings at the doorbell Brad Pit walks what into the house yeah oh my God it [ __ ] you up right I mean it's yeah yeah it's like he's not he's not human he's

like it's a different yeah Brad Pit Tom Cruz George CL there's not many of them but even in that group it's Brad Pit yeah it's Brad Pit and um so that was a moment where I thought we've come a long

way that Brad Pit is coming to the house how did Susie handle um Brad Pit at dinner well she obviously says to me that um that for her isn't you know she likes me much more but she has to say

that don't worry he has to say that that was such a moment but I'm looking at it like I said with a little bit of curiosity why all of this is happening and I haven't found many advantages of

being on TV I mean you get a better table in a restaurant M but yeah other than that that's sort of where it ends yeah because you need to have your own vanity uh under control and thinking I'm

realizing that I like that and then I'm try to dial myself back and say that is just linked to the role a politician is recognized by everyone the moment the politician is stopping his the activity nobody cares right and the same is in

many other jobs you're CEO of a company doesn't matter anymore you stop as an actor or I stop in my role that's gone and I think you need to be prepared that if one day you step out of the hamster

wheel that this is going to stop and that's why it shouldn't play a big importance to us well this has been an insane pleasure my very last thing is Monica has only liked a single car I try to get her interested in cars and she

does not care she likes a single car the Mercedes 300 SL it's a beautiful car Toto has one you do what color so I sold all the other cars you did yeah I so I had to take the boxes in terms of what I

wanted to have and Achieve and then I sold them all yeah they're stressful yeah also I didn't feel like it wasn't authentic anymore me driving around in an old Ferrari right so I only kept the Mercedes and I have two of these one

roadster convertible and one g that's the one and that's the one although you'd be happy in that convertible he and Susie look so elegant I feel like I'm watching like a 60s wow Italian film yeah that's a beautiful the galling you

know is great but it's getting very hot in there there's no air condition the engine and the gear box is right underneath of you so in La it would be Troublesome I love the heat I can take love

theat I can really so when you're next in Europe tell us will'll take you out in the I'll do it I will do it [ __ ] that was my invite be like if Matt Damon invited be like if Matt Damon invited

you bring me yeah I wonder I how that would I deserve this great right that's right I think you too we look a little bit like Frankenstein's in the car if they're two tall guys so I'm taking the

the seating pillow out so I'm not looking too stupid okay okay and then I fit under the steering wheel so this was my very last one so your wife is an incredible driver I have to imagine she probably could turn better lap times

than you at most places yes and I'm proud of that yeah you should be so when we she was a professional driver she says what do you expect um when I'm when we're getting this question asked yeah um so we were cting in the past and uh

she's always 2 seconds faster and then I thought I'm going to trick her obviously I'm heavier so I put 25 kg of ballast in the car oh great and so that's the wife of my children they're may be here Rosie

they may be here okay great we're Landing the plane um so I put wait in her card 2 seconds she says the card is actually pretty good very stable I got myself special qualifying tires red big they sock your finger sticks on 2

seconds I love this yeah for her so yeah she's she's really quick well Toto this has been as [ __ ] fun as I could have ever imagined um for you Monica too you it's just C stuff no you're we kept it

pretty not Tech it's great I saw Monica rolling her eyes a little bit oh no we're talking I also want to throw this out here Ro before we sign off um you allowed a journalist to to write a book

about what you're going through right now which is a lot and it's called inside Mercedes F1 Life in the Fast Lane and you guys all participate it's a very good book to learn exactly what's happening on that team so I was

generally not a book fan because I get asked quite regularly about the biography or autobiography and my answer is let's do that when I'm 80 because now people say I've been successful and let's write about it but what is if I continue to

fail now uh so I don't want to have it stop at 50 and then there only take a nose dive exactly so let's write it when I'm 80 let's make sure we get to the Finish Line you already did though yeah

and or when I'm gone then you can have a real summary whole story exactly I mean we're suddenly over half time of us and I hope so we're over half time yeah um but that book is different and special because it

gives an insight into how the team operates it's not an ego story not it is just the operation of the team so I was a bit skeptical but the journalist embedded himself really well but is a it is a book a little bit of a nerdy book

of for the operations of a of a Formula One team but it's in very interesting that's cool it's very interesting it's very well written and uh and I recommend people who are interested at all in this to check that out inside Mercedes F1 um

it's been a blast I hope we get to talk to you again and um we will soon be on a twisty Road in something yes please oh you guys will be first in the 300 can't wait all right be

well we hope you enjoyed this episode Unfortunately they made some haks good morning good morning we were both feeling sweatery today yeah it's officially festive time how awake are you um I'm 22% 22 that's pretty low yeah lowest

you've ever been took a shower oh good normally that wakes me up but yeah it's early for The Listener yeah it's 9: that doesn't feel that that doesn't sound that early but on a holiday it feels absurd yeah um yesterday was

Thanksgiving in our universe right now we were out and up late mhm yeah what time did you go to Slumber what time did I leave like 10: I think I left around 10: and then I had a little work to do and then I had to

work on um today's gift guide oh you had to do that at night I had to do a lot at night what time did you fall asleep I probably fell asleep at like 12:30 oh okay yeah so not horrendous no I made a

huge mistake yesterday so when we were on the group chat the girls group chat figuring out timing for Thanksgiving yeah Kristen wrote come over around 12 and we'll eat around 4: yeah and I read I don't know what happened I read that

as come at 4 like I missed the 12 part wow so I thought it was arrival time was 4 which I did kind of think was late I didn't love that choice no the day's over yeah but I thought oh she just

wants it to be fast so okay and then I really quit hold on so I too am in the intentions judging business but when I come up with an intention I do also evaluate so when you were like yeah she wants it over fast

you're like that sounds right it's not that I was like oh it's bad she wants it over fast it was just like oh maybe I don't know there's a million reasons that it could be so I just I just didn't

want to question it so then I planed my whole day around a 4:00 oh boy yeah so what did that mean I had to make two dishes right two beautiful dishes potatoes two sets of potatoes one sweet one mashed and I was editing an episode

and I had a whole plan I was going to like wake up leisurely and edit this episode yeah yeah make my things of time coffee drink Laura texted and said based on CeCe her baby's nap time she was she

said she'll probably be around 1 and I was like 1 she's going to come 3 hours early early what's she thinking because of the baby so then I scrolled up and I saw and at this point it was

11:30 oh boy okay so you were I went into a panic yeah and you were on a course of action at that point but I got there at 2:30 which was very late from my perspective but I didn't know about

the aoni is 400 p.m. start so I was in a position of like everyone's coming at noon and then at new nobody comes oh I hate when that happens at one nobody comes and then I go to my insecure place

of like oh wow no one's coming to our thanksgiv even though you knew everyone was coming I fast forward to whatever poor sucker does show up semi on time they're going to be like where is every no one wanted to come to this party I

guess that's funny because I mean I guess it's the same thing you're thinking about me reading Kristen's text but that feels outrageous to me because the only people they were our friends so no one would ever no one thinks like

that when it's just the Pod if it was a random party yeah it starting to getting a little embarrassing though that the kickoff time was noon and we didn't have anyone at 1 I don't know 30 this is the

problem with the girls only being on the text yeah it's not great yeah and do you think most friend groups it's like that it's just the women the women chitter chattering chatter chatter chatter I do I do yeah I'm trying my the home similar

guide chains are very specific I'm only on a few of them I'm on like one with wobby wob for Formula 1 oh nice and that's just you know someone getting fired yeah they're [ __ ] they're going to rule that you know it's not like with

Matt and Charlie too yeah Matt Charlie Jethro wob myself who else is on at wob any that's it that's it from all the boys that had to be in communication keeping it up if you see something outrageous in the F1 Community

that's where you sound off but there's very little Logistics what very little Logistics happening in there correct and this is maybe again I don't know if this specific to me or this is common gender-wise but there's a lot of things

and you and you're not a f a fan of a lot of these methodologies I have and I agree they're flawed but for me they're most efficient like I don't ever ask when there's 20 people over I don't say

who's in the mood for sushi it's like I know this group I know what people like a bunch of food will arrive and no one will care as long as there's food there you make the decision for the group yeah

I don't do the hour and 20 minutes to order thing that's fine there's two ways of being yeah and yeah exactly and I'm not angry at the other approach other than when I'm hungry I'm like oh my God

how long is it going to take everyone to decide on this and then everyone's got anyways so similarly it's like here's a time to do a thing if you want to or not there's never a bunch of haggling over

it or fine-tuning also a window that's I would have never all blessings to my wife wife that's confusing to me starts at noon dinners at 4 well that makes sense cuz it's too gray like if I'm at home like what does that mean when are

people coming do people come two hours before dinner no for thanksgiv I would told them when dinner starts I would just said be here at 2 she has to tell us because we're all cooking stuff we have to know like what I cooked the most

in my house yesterday what' you cook made five trays of shitty biscuit 4 lb biggest yield ever that was they were fantastic like four probably that's a good amount yeah yeah you cook the most in your house but everyone was making a lot of

things and you have to plan it TimeWise because of oven times do you need to arrive with it hot you have to know what time dinner is starting yeah okay great I don't know four hours take your pick throw a dart at the board

seems a little and and we got what we we reaped what we sewed which is like you wandered in at 230 someone was there at 145 someone came at three it's fine it's all fine yeah it's the way it's supposed

to be really yeah I want to open the door like I'm in SW have you heard this joke about Swedish people uh like if you throw a party and you announce it to your co-workers that um I'm having a

party at 5:00 p.m. they say in Sweden the doorbell will ring and when you open the door all 52 guests will be there at at 2 minutes before yeah they're all there it's not like one person's early the whole group will be there at the

exact same time well that's funny cuz on previous fight L bird we did talk about like arrival times and being late and parties uhhuh cuz David was acknowledging what looks like in America people arrive late whenever they're in

the mood to get there which they give them a nice 4-Hour birth and just land somewhere think about any party like a Halloween party you don't go at the time that's my point entirely think about a Halloween evening party there's so much

anxiety it's they said it starts at 8 no one's probably getting there at 8 you don't want to be the one person there and then you're like I guess that really means 101 15 everyone right and you have

all this anxiety and you can't plan it right if it was just like forget the 8 forget the early arrival let's go with when people are really going to come let's say this party starts at 9:30 but then people come at 11 well I think

everyone's just responding to this willy-nilly broad Strokes well I there's a 4H hour window of arrival time I yeah well technically I was actually an hour and a half early to dinner two and half hours late to the hang time yeah yeah

you're right though it was the Pod so I didn't get too insecure but if that was like my birthday party that's how we normally do we just roll in and roll out by 1:30 I would have canceled the

birthday party like if it started at noon and at 1:30 was still just my family sitting there and then my anxiety of who's going to be the first one there to see that I'm a nerd that no one came

I just cancel on the couch like I try to make myself a little busy I'm like I'm G to go I don't want to be sitting at the door when people walk in like hi and I'm on the couch in my Thanksgiving

best anyways spectacular Thanksgiving beautiful Thanksgiving really another another perfect Thanksgiving yeah what were your highlights I'm sure you can guess mine I can guess yours um you played volleyball okay that was yours Christmas volleyball Thanksgiving when I grew up you we went to a family reunion

in Sturgis Michigan at the laau and it was at the motel and there's a conf conf room and you had a big huge I don't know how many there were of US 35 there six kids and grandkids and then you played

um football in the field it was cold as hell all the uncles and stuff kind of fun I can't the kids couldn't really play football the adults are running around tearing hamstrings and stuff and the kids are like I'm open you know yeah

just out there running around I guess yeah and acting like you're a part of it yeah and then you're a big boy like your uncles throwing a football so we didn't have a sport contingency out here and I

really like now that volleyball might be an option yeah yeah my favorite was secret turkey that's always so lovely secret turkey and again we everyone already knows how it works Lily assigns it but I will say this year I think

people try to top themselves from the previous years it's it's on a kind of an untenable course it is it's getting out of control yeah it was like that pres Ryan made a knife he forged a knife and

he made the handle out of W yeah I'm guilty of the thing I've yelled at you about my do not disturb changed her all her ways say one mean thing one critical thing highlights of secret turkey mhm what do you think we're oh God I'm

biased a little bit I'm so impressed with Delta's hot air balloon baseball what a present she made such a cute one 25 hour man 25 man hours at least yeah these presents took forever yeah I wanted to talk about you gave a

um Advent calendar I did I made mol no to Amy to Amy correct yes I made one you said Molly is Amy you gave it to Amy so I bought these little boxes you purchased those I purchased the

cardboard boxes at a box store cardboard box store Amazon oh okay Amazon Prime oh you can order them yeah they come in a sheet and you assemble them oh great so I assembled all of them and then I made

them into a Christmas tree shape is that standard Advent calendar a lot of them are made into Christmas tree shapes not all some of them are rectangles but I wanted to make it festive and so I drew on each one I drew

like the number and I drew all over each box and after the third box I thought I am not going to make it I can't do it well great I'm glad you brought this up I wouldn't have said anything but I

looked at it and it was enormously impressive it was huge I want to say it was like um 28 in tall yeah it was huge it didn't fit in a trash bag 18 in wide maybe 24 in wide 24 let's say the top

boxes were like pictures and draw and then I noticed on the bottom I just noticed it said like 21 22 23 2 like it seemed like 22 2324 that wasn't a cheat that was I knew you would think that oh

my God I don't know about Advent calendar I actually anticipated Eric was going to say this out loud well I didn't say anything of course I didn't want to humiliate anyone but you just told me you Ed phoning it in and I thought I did

not you didn't even let me finish okay the the reason the bottom is just the bottom row 22 2324 was out of brown marker and it just said it but that's because that's the stump oh that's the stump the rest is the tree the top had a

star on it oh beautiful it was usually impressive I don't know why you're upset because you're oh my God you're so gas Lighty you're like I see you phoned it in I don't know why you're upset about that at the end it looked like at the

end you were like that's enough that was the stomp okay so it was supposed to look like wood yeah okay and the after the third one I thought I can't do this anymore this is this would be a five-day

project and then I thought this is for Amy she's an angel she's a true angel on Earth okay see she deserves this so it was a 5day project okay I didn't listen to the end yeah you didn't I did not so

the bottom was choice you could see from the lay person at the end it just said oh wow It Was Written In Black it wasn't black it was brown and gold that was gold too anyway I glued all the boxes

together and you use a hot glue gun I had to or Elmer's Glue tried Elmer it didn't work I had to use gorilla and super okay okay did you get a bunch on your fingers yes and then I glued all of

that to a piece of cardboard and then I had to exacto knife around it oh wow for structural Integrity I bought an xacto knife oh my God yeah all ordered off of the internet no some of them were

Postmates did you go oh Postmates okay you never went to an arts and craft store did I go to bck no but I use materials I have purchased from Blick before okay all right anyway it was really fun and then I had to fill each

box so that's I all this was leading up we got derailed by my observation and my apologies but um I'm dying to know what's inside yeah every I've never owned an advent calendar I've only seen them in Christmas Vacation yeah and

there's chocolates inside usually normally uhoh but these are real treats are there any you can say that by the time the a sh have opened those three days oh okay Amy if you are listening no because this is hers it goes all the way

through December her her calendar so Amy is listening cuz she's as I said an angel she listens to everything so please cover your ears turn this off okay right fast forward well Ryan too cuz he's not a good Secret Keeper

remember he tells Amy I don't want you to know about Cosby what about Cosby no I don't want you to know that's a real life thing by the way it is okay so both of you fast forward a

couple minutes so yeah there's like well she opened one we let her open one it was a a sheep ornament all right beautiful ornament um I got her like a little lip cute little like lipstick um some measure ing spoons all

oh F there's like 25 presents in there well every other one is a real present a really cute wine off days is a can a chocolate um two teas oh fancy teas drinking tea yeah she is a tea drawer so

I figured she could put make her tea drawer cute W that's great how long do you think it took you to make this present it took a really long time plus then the purchases plus the yeah it was

an adventure my family had commandeered the entire um dining room table put plastic over it and this was going on for three days yeah and there were two full days where the three of them all sat at this table doing art projects

competing over the oils and the paint they all did paintings there were a lot of meltdowns and blow up so God bless I stayed out of there I went up to the attic with my new lightboard to make my

present for Matt yes which was a collage I guess you'd call it it was a collage it was very very very good oh thank you you Dre a lot of things that were m Matt's favorite things Maple Leaf's logo

he's very into mu Thai kickboxing right now so two mu Tha Fighters picture of him holding his baby that I got off of Instagram and then above his head a Sim racing setup which he loves and then scissors cuz he's a hair stylist I know

it was very cute and you framed it I think this guy's a limo with this lightboard it's an enormous cheat but as we talked about you and I there's a lot of fun in assembling then interpreting what your collage is going to be and now

I have whole new fantasies about being able to use the lightboard to draw like a downtown citycape and then put my weird characters in them so hybrid I love do little photo realism and then my weird characters I like that I've got a

whole fantasy about my life with this lightboard wow wow that's great what a good hobby yeah yeah yeah I love that pretty fun speaking of the lightboard uhhuh on a previous fact check I said I to do a crow couldn't do but I got this

lightboard and now I got a crow yes and so now the holiday sweatshirt is complete yes so um they're going to go on sale Friday December 6th that is in days two days at 9:00 a.m. Pacific so if

you're in New York that's noon dingles lunch break if you're in the mountain areas I don't know maybe 11 maybe you're just check your time zones Central that's 10 I don't know I'm having stress for everyone's time zones I can't keep

mountain in central straight which one's earlier than the other but Pacific Time 9:00 a.m. and you go to armchairexpert pod.com it's a very cute sweatshirt I really like it I think it turned out really really cute it did yeah dude it's

really nice your mouse is the best part and everyone's seen the mouse at this well not everyone but a lot of people have seen the mouse at this point because it has appeared on my gift guide I read day one of the gift guide you did

okay and what are you going to guess my favorite joke is in it there's one did you read substack or did you read just Instagram oh you read the whole thing yeah the joke about Kristen on the phone

no I don't remember candle oh yeah I think some people might miss that Maybe not maybe that's really obvious obvious but she only turned one yeah yeah you blew out all of her candle I did that's really funny thanks okay so

uh secret turkey was an incredible success um other call out again delta made a hot air balloon with like a structure in a floating balloon was incredible made the balloon of baseball ace loves baseball Bast on the side of the basket like

sandbags it was so cute light fixture inside that I guess replicated the fire going up I don't know if that was just festive festive how'd she buy a light thing she bought it off Amazon I think she went and watched a tutorial on how

to make um hot air balloon that's so cool Laura gave me a beautiful photo realistic I like saying that word yeah um charcoal drawing of little Mr Texas that's right it should probably go in here it should run her up run her up

little Mr if you missed that episode with Matthew mccon that was the first time he was on so I you know I have this very very um arms distance relationship with him we've done a few things together and I'm considering I think I

want to take a picture of that and say I received this as a gift do you where do how do you think that lands on him good good idea yeah okay you never know if stuff's flattering or is bordering on

weird and obsessed well yeah because I mean I guess he'll be like for Thanksgiving I mean you might have to explain the whole thing there's a lot to on pack if you if I let's just reverse this he sends me a picture that a family

member or friend Drew of me gave to him you'd love it I love it right as long as it was a flattering picture you would love it and I think he would love it yeah we're both kind of mhm similar in

that way what do we call that attention hores I don't what is it stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare okay we're going to hit pause on the fact check to thank our presenting sponsor Amazon Prime Prime

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going on I don't know I don't you about oh my God you have there's gifts already wait what oh my God sweet stop oh is that an Emily Burger pretzel bun what in the world she made this oh my photo

realistic ceves on sandwiches this is so flattering can I get a better look at it it's an Emily burger oh my God oh my God how does what your how do they find the picture of you told them that yeah that was

perfect you know what interesting what do you think I'm going to say about this rendition of you that my mouth looks big I don't really ever think you look like your mom but in this rendition you look a bit like your mom I I could see that I

actually I actually think it's pretty good it's outrageously good somehow a bit of nurmi is in it more than normal I mean I look like her wow this is so flattering celebs on sandwiches this is a big moment I this I mean got gifted

this a few times to people it was on my I think original gift guide celebs on sandwiches my my original oh gee original guide wow how sweet okay well wow that's that's really flattering thank you so sandwiches ni

you know what's going to be weird Okay so Kristen had you yeah she did and she did this beautiful painting she did by hand of you it's incredible it's gorgeous and all kinds of positive affirmations written along it yeah it

was beautiful but I am starting to think like you have an inornate amount of photos and paintings of yourself now for your house I think this should live here okay with yours yeah mine's right behind your head so maybe yours should be

behind my head I don't know how that'll work all to say you have quite an a an interesting Bank of art now you've accumulated M and I just wonder like on a first date when a guy goes into your

house and there's like a ton of paintings of yourself I think it's fine it's fine right it'll be seen as playful I I have a lot of art yeah so it's not it get lost in it's not that the only

art I have a whole wall that's just you like you did when I was yeah 20 years ago yeah when you lived alone oh boy I didn't know what to do I just print up photos from movie Stills that

they send you was rough it's okay really it happened I know I didn't know what to do I know you're projecting a little bit of your own probably my own embarrassment from past yeah this is going to live

here um I guess we could have unlimited pictures of ourselves here and it's not sweet yeah that's really special and on an Emily Burger pretty jealous about the food item I mean I can't complain because I've got a Coney Dog from

Detroit which is great oh but boy that's it's really nice okay well yeah Thanksgiving was a big hit I'm really thankful to our arm Cherry I mean Thanksgiving is in the past now but I'm still thankful to our

listeners our beautiful arm cherries me too too um we're so lucky and this is for Toto I want to say there's something we ear marked you wanted to talk about Max ver staff oh yeah thank you and I told you to wait

till this week cuz Toto well I just simply want to say he's this he won his fourth title in a row it's been a really dicey year for him Red Bull's finishing third or fourth in the Constructors Championship so their car is not by any

stretch the best M yet he still managed to win crazy a lot of it because of this impossible rain race he had two races ago in Brazil which when they make the documentary like Senna about him in 20

years this race is going to be a good 15 minutes of it started in 17th in the rain finished first by 202s passed 11 people in the first 11 lamps Drive of his life Wow incredible year oh so cool

congratulations to Max congratulations to Toto for being well Toto won Toto which Mercedes has been struggling so bad they came in first and second nice so this is good timing also I love Toto absolutely loved him he was such a he

was so much more playful than I anticipated he's a rascal that was a r I enjoyed him so much so now I'm for team cuz now that Danny isn't um on racing uh I don't have anyone to root for so now I

root for Mercedes because of Toto okay great that's great so I'm going to buy a hat it also makes sense it's definitely the team you would have wanted to support anyways it's the classiest team on the grid you wouldn't

want to support an energy drink no I don't okay now some facts he brought up Nikki La yes it's a hard word to say or a hard name to pronounce l a u d e da it's spelled correctly it's just like it

seems like you're being pretentious but you're not Nikki LA right Nikki lder I think that's what you're supposed to say Nikki lder okay he is Austrian yeah L that's why it's lder Nikki louder I love Nikki is a mentor

louder okay um oh how about this um I'm gonna ask your name okay oh boy how do I do this okay I'm gonna ask your name and you're gonna say Nikki La okay what's your name Nikki L what is your name

Nikki [Laughter] [Music] cuz louder sounds like louder it's pretty good one more time no we already did but maybe it'll be fun a second time what's your name Nikki L what is your name it wasn't better the second time it was great the first time

yeah my timing got worse oh my God okay now um he competed in Formula 1 from 1971 to 1979 and from 1982 to 1985 he won three Formula 1 drivers championship titles and at the time of his retirement

held the record for most Podium finishes 54 he remains the only driver to have won a World driers Championship with both Ferrari and McLaren and won 25 Grand PR across 13 Seasons M and was horribly burnt yeah in a midcareer

crash and kept at it it's amazing didn't care yeah he's passed he passed in 2019 he died in his sleep at 70 um where he had been undergoing kidney dialysis he had experienced a period of ill health exacerbated by his lung injuries from

the 1976 accident he had a double lug transplant the previous year and kidney transplants in '97 in 2015 his body really went through it yeah double lung and double kidney now we're get we're now we're like we're 20% through all the

organs being replaced H did you just kiss your hand did I what did you just kiss your hand kiss my hand no I just don't like that oh I thought I always I neurotically make sure the corners of my mouth that's

a rough one for me when you see people with that yeah a bunch of paste in there I can't you don't you don't have it and you don't ever have it okay yeah but I know I know what you when someone's

talking with a really sticky mouth that to me I'd rather smell something bad I already said smells are my worst you'd rather smell something I can't deal if I'm watching like a TED Talk and someone's mouth gets really really dry

and starts doing that I'm like [ __ ] I can't listen to it because even if I look away I can hear it I don't have misophonia but I do just that I I you understand that I do I I do it's not

well it's funny to me that you'd rather smell it because I think what's gross is I do think it has a smell yeah it's just so sticky yeah all right so um he was 70 and but he lived he lived a life doing

what he loved oh when I thought you were kissing I thought you were giving him like oh a send off yeah exactly yeah yeah have you been jealous in movies when you watch the cat what is it gof

flect is that what it's called GCT you touch your forehead then your sternum and then your both Sid do the cross yeah I I like that pageantry I do too but I feel really can you knock on wood

because I feel like we shouldn't have just done that a few times oh and that brings me to one thing that we left out that we need to address definitely the best um secret turkey of the night was

Eric took 30 lbs of candy and somehow made a painting of Lauren Matt's baby in candy yeah he made a portrait of CC out of candy and it was both times very good it was and it was absolutely terrifying it

was one of the most horrific photo it looked like the most evil baby in the world it looked like um Michael Myers Michael Myers it looked like the baby was wearing a hockey m a go mask cuz he

used white saltwater taffy for the face yes and it was insane looking and there was hair but there was also a resemblance to her it was it was it was pretty good back to knock on wood I was

like that feels like um that feels like thought it was B om I thought it was a curse no it like Ain to a um a voodoo doll I know but it wasn't it was a sweet no sweet portrait made of Candy by

Eric and you put a lot of time into it and and the eyes are just black person has to curse it Eric didn't curse it that's how he doesn't know his powers as well as he should though he might

accidentally cursed it okay okay speaking of um Detroit versus Austria hom homicides the city city of Detroit finished 2023 with 252 homicides which is the fewest recorded since 1966 we like that like that trajectory great trajectory now there isn't any

information about Austria in 2023 but there is 2017 who probably hasn't been immersed since 17 exactly there were 54 intentional homicides in Austria in the whole country in the whole country in 2017 although now I'm looking at the

word in intentional well we wouldn't count vehicular homicide what about if you're shooting and hunting if you're hunting in Detroit and you not a lot of I know that would count if you accidentally killed someone well no cuz

that wouldn't be intentional be accidental no I know but I'm saying in the Detroit one doesn't say intentional so maybe they're including accidentals maybe um aisle of man really quick what's the population of Australia you mean austri I mean Austria uh

9.13 million 9.13 so about 10 times the size of Detroit Detroit's under a million people really yes 10x the people and one5 the Mur murders yeah 630,000 in Detroit wow so we could say that's actually a 50x all right okay Isle of Man is a

self-governing British crown dependency in the IR sea between England and Ireland and then yes it has this big race that is a big deal annual Cross Country Motorcycle race around race around the island it's the most terrifying thing it is in all of

Motorsports the absolute Pinnacle of craziness it's the Mount Everest of Motorsports well that's it for Toto he was lovely and I really really enjoyed him okay and really quick um this should have been said at the beginning but now

we're here at the end we are here early on this day because this is one among your most special days of the year yes you and K are going Black Friday Sal shopping but at places without Black Friday sales which is really incredible

sometimes they have like 20% offs in certain stores we go to Brentwood Country Mar and it's very very very fun and I'm re I'm so excited to go do that how many hours will you spend there just a few and then we'll come back and then

we're going to go to uh Rolling Greens the plant store and get some christmy items too fun what what time will you start drinking at the Mart right away when you get there mimosas no no we don't always drink oh you don't no we'll

probably get coffee and then we get lunch so when we get lunch sometimes there's wine at lunch but it's not like we're not like carrying around flasks oh you're not no flasks no wine silks no um but I'm excited for that and then

tomorrow is pig day I get my Christmas tree yeah it's a very busy three days it's my favorite stretch of the year yeah yeah I'm excited um and it's sort of a ding-ding ding cuz it's like F1 oh

um F1 race is kind of like the stretch of the Year final lap oh okay okay also on my gift guide that I put out today I included an F1 coffee table book I saw it and it was titled F1 The Impossible

something no no the actual Little Prince The Little Prince I thought this was very playful and fun my all of them each gift guide this year F there were five of them are book themed correct yeah the first one was about her no the first one

was The Time Traveler's Wife yeah wife oh sure yeah yeah then it was tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow my favorite book those are more Monday items uh uh then it was what tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow about well it's about

this these Gamers but the title to me represents like it's just day after day after day okay so it's Monday items then it was for little fires everywhere that was a candle theme yes and today was that's another good book too tomorrow do

you want to hear Lord of the Rings oh wow oh jeul this is this might be your Peak creative Endeavor thus far I don't know can I throw a book out as a challenge and then you got to come up

with gifts that next year oh okay I it was only five days well sure go ahead let's see of M and Men it would be armchair themed oh and it would have our holiday Mice and Men so it would have our holiday sweater

on it it would have celebs on sandwiches okay this is gray Ember mugs it would have Ember mugs buoi mugs oh Sal I almost put uh Salty Sea Dog mugs but they're sold out and felt un felt a

little well it's like a waste no one can get it I did put a candle on that's always sold out too but I I had to had it best boy statues what if you just putting stuff in here for sale on your

on your gift guide and you didn't tell us and um one of the gifts for that will also be back's cashmere sweater in that's a long game it's like they sign up and they get it in 50 years so I did

it and you get updates like once a year you get a photo of how big your sample uh it is getting smaller I know you need to add some yeah well we got a we got a crop do okay yeah right

okay well um holidays are upon us I'm so Happy Thanksgiving was a blast and now onward and upward onto Christmas yay let's go pedal to the metal I love you love you [Music]