Speaker A
What's good, man? We back. It's RTV, baby. Gang gang gang. If this is your first time here, definitely kill, murder, and smash that subscribe button, man. And welcome back to RTV Reacts, where we react to everything.
RTV Reacts breaks down Better Call Saul S6E7, analyzing Lalo's actions and Howard's fate with detailed episode insights.
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Key Takeaways
- Lalo's ruthless tactics are central to the unfolding plot and create high tension.
- Howard's tragic fate is analyzed with empathy and criticism of his decisions.
- Jimmy's cunning and legal prowess continue to dominate the narrative.
- The episode blends legal drama with personal vendettas and covert operations.
- The hosts emphasize the slow and complicated nature of justice in the story.
What the video covers
- RTV Reacts returns to discuss Better Call Saul Season 6 Episode 7, focusing on Lalo's investigation and its consequences.
- The hosts recap Lalo's torture of a worker in Germany to gather information and anticipate the next episode's plan and execution.
- They analyze scenes involving covert operations, character disguises, and the use of photography for surveillance.
- Discussion includes Jimmy McGill's involvement in a covert mission and his interactions with other characters.
- The episode features a tense meeting involving Rich Schwikart, Sandpiper representatives, and a mediator, highlighting legal negotiations.
- The hosts speculate about drug use and manipulation tactics used to destabilize characters during the meeting.
- There is a focus on Howard's professional downfall and the events leading to his brutal beating, with debate on whether he deserved it.
- The hosts reflect on Jimmy's superior legal skills and the moral complexities of the characters' actions.
- They discuss the consequences of not calling the police and the impact of personal decisions on the characters' fates.
- The video ends with emotional reflections on justice, revenge, and the human nature behind the characters' struggles.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Recap of Last Episode
- 02:05Discussion of Laundry and Covert Operations
- 03:59Character Disguises and Covert Mission Details
- 06:33Legal Negotiations Setup
- 08:23Drug Use and Meeting Manipulations
- 09:53Mediator Arrival and Meeting Complications
- 11:26Jimmy's Surveillance and Photo Evidence
- 15:57Howard's Downfall and Host Reflections
- 20:15Moral Debate and Final Thoughts
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Speaker A
Everything. We back with the last season of Better Call Saul, man. Last episode, we seen Lo up in Germany doing his investigation.
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He pulled up on one of W's workers, and bro, he basically tortured him, got the information that he needs, and now it seems like it's going to go beautifully to this next episode, plan and execution.
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7. Out the sewer. So did he, like, travel from Germany to the school, bro?
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That makes sense. It makes sense. Underground, bro. You don't think underground United States is connected?
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No. No. Are you guys? I'm joking with you. You serious? I was joking. I'm being serious.
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I'm joking, too. Yo, yo, yo, yo. I'm like, "Wait a wait, wait a minute.
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Wait a minute." I'm like, "Yo, Milo might have turned two and a half years." He better have a bro in Germany. What you saying me for? [laughter] I mean, if I'm going to go back to smell like ass, at least.
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Yeah. I don't shower. Yo, listen. This dude is a seasoned veteran gangster. Okay. Wise. What the hell? Right.
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[laughter] What the hell? My boy is the Mexican, bro. It's lit right now. Oh, is this, is this um dig script?
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No, bro. It's [music] the laundry. Okay. Laundry. Laundry? What are you talking about? I thought it was soul spot.
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Laundry. My fault. Like Gustavo's laundry spot. Oh no. 300 bucks for 90 minutes. Come on.
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I have a break in an hour. You're not hearing me. 400 bucks if you get in the car right now.
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And I will set your boss straight if he gives you any grief. Look at me.
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Glad nothing your way. Here's the spirit that takes people. Come on, buckle up. I don't want to lose you through the windshield.
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I was like, I'm send I'll be your hots, bro. 340 lines of so-called resolution suitable for recording your sister's second wedding, local community board meetings, or porn. It outplot. Okay, these are depth of field charts. Study them. Don't get lost in the circle of
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confusion. Can't tell your story if you can't keep things in focus. Finally grabbed a good camera and, uh, I have some very important responsibilities elsewhere on campus, but I'll be back. And fair warning, there's going to be a quiz later
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probably. Don't touch the equipment. I'll know. Okay, we're going to shoot over here. Trees in the background. Throw it out of focus. That work?
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I'll make it work. How's my boy looking? Oh, I, I, I think better today. I used a foundation that's a little closer to his skin tone and I found a spirit mustache look like here. Give me the bag. You get back in
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the car. Bust the speed limit. You'll still make that lunch. Jimmy, this is where I need to be.
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Jimmy's even telling her while she's there like, "Why'd you call? Can I have your, uh, left arm?" Of course. What?
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Your character has a broken arm now. You're on a covert mission to accept a very important package and you want to play it casual. Okay. But knowing, you know, an air of mystery, intrigue, conspiracy. You know what? Probably best
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if you just look sleepy. Yeah, they improvise like mug right there. There. Keep it steady.
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Camera reload. Okay. Um, Lenny, just Okay. Um, Lenny, why don't you try, um, walking behind the bench and Jimmy, pass it back to him.
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Right. But yeah, keep the envelope like No, more like flat, you know, to the camera, but not too obvious. Got it. Go.
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As long as there's an image, it doesn't have to be perfect. Can't rush the process.
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Yeah. What is that? Yo, bro. I'm trying to think if I have my kit. I'm like I don't know what it could be.
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Maybe it's a liquid that like you know God that was realistic and furious. [snorts] Uh, excuse me Mr. Hamlin. I, I was told I should restock the fridge before the meeting.
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No worries. You got shook like what was Let me give you a hand. What happens when you drop or shake a can of soda?
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Right. Something about the centrifugal force pulls the bubbles from the inside of the can. Stops it from exploding.
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All right. You know who taught me that trick? Chuck. He used to do it. Had a habit. Anytime he opened a can, almost unconsciously.
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I asked him about it once. Just his way of being prepared for anything, accidental or otherwise. All the parties are here.
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Rich Schwikart and his team are running late. They just phoned about 10 minutes out.
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Jennandowski say what he wants. Just that there's been a development. Said you'd know what he means.
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What am I looking at? Took those about 7 this morning. Miguel sat on a bench in Trumble Park. Then the subject you see there, wait a second.
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That's his PI working with Jimmy. Wait a second. Photos up close. Wow. Yo, that's crazy.
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Wait a second. Jimmy is nasty. The dude he passed it to in the car and he's not looking.
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What can you do to find this man? I know it drives us over. I got a partial plate. Not perfect, but enough.
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Whatever needs to be done, I'm on it. Yo, Jibby is a They put the thing on it, so I guess it was fresh out of But it was fresh out of development. I'm surprised they have to ref the potatoes,
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it's the leaks. You're going to meet Mr. Schwer and his associates who represent Sam Piper's interests, and it's all going to be very polite and professional. And to make sure it stays polite and professional, an independent mediator is going to keep
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things that way. I'm just so glad this is all going to be over soon.
Speaker A
Well, we all know the saying, the wheels of justice turn slowly. Things probably won't be over today. There's a chance, but we're fighting very hard to get you and your friends what you deserve. Now, let's get you down there in style.
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Um, I'm fine walking. Of course. I'd feel better making all of this as easy for you as possible.
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Anybody else hot? Oh, that's what they put on the thing. What the hell? What?
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Something that's making I don't know. It must have been drugs or I don't know, bro.
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That's why he's like, "Yo, I'm hot." Yeah. They going to make him tweet out.
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Yeah, make him tweak out. Oh my god. They're gonna make him look crazy this meeting.
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Look at him. He look like a nut, bro. Cliff, good to see you. You remember Alvin and Phil? And this is Daniela and Adina from Sandpiper.
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Um, congratulations. Whoops. Hello. Hello. Oh, remember Jimmy's on the call cuz he got the number.
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Hello. Did we lose anyone? And it looks like our mediator has arrived. So, we'll get started.
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Got you right there. He's going to put it together like, "Yo, this is the guy that was in the He's like, [laughter] "All I need." My name is Ran Kazamero and I am your mediator for these proceedings.
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Now, I'm happy to be here. No, it is a good setup. I can't lie.
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Listening from various locations. This is messed up, bro. Won't be happy with me. Wow.
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Oh man, bro. Oh god. I'm, I'm sorry. I don't think we can proceed with these negotiations today.
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Why not? Let's just say circumstances beyond any of our control. Our mediator here keeps using the word compromise.
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I knew it. Yo, in fact is compromised. I beg your pardon. [laughter] Now they finessed the bad. They finessed the bad.
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Correct. I arrived in town about 10:00. I stopped at a gas station. I went by a liquor store and bought a gift. I had a lunch salad and a very nice latte from the Flying Star in Manol.
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So you weren't in town to visit our mutual acquaintance, James Morgan McGill. Oh my god. Or maybe you know him as Saul Goodman.
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Well, I don't even know who that is. Either of those names. Okay. You want to go that way?
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You want to go that way? No, he's not. Julie, go to my desk, please. There's an envelope with photos.
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These are photos of me. They show exactly what I'm describing. Yo, Hollywood. You were following me.
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[laughter] [screaming] And he said following payoff this m
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Well, I reallyard man, the judge is like, "Bro, you done effed up right now." What happens after this, though?
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How can Howard practice? Like, I don't know what the endgame would be. N still practice. He's going to lose that.
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He's going to lose reputation. It's something that N. It's not drugs, bro. It's something that made it go invisible. That's what he put on it.
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Some Oh my god. Now he's nasty. Oh my god. Now Jimmy's the man. Jimmy yo yo yo yo yo. I ain't going to lie. I'm not even mad. I'm not even the wrong envelope.
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Even if you felt like that, I wouldn't come out during the meeting. I'll say that everything. I'm not I won't lie.
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Are you all right? Your eyes. I am fine on the dating. See, it is all that will be sorted out.
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Bro, I think Jimmy nasties of all the time. N I ain't going to lie. I don't think Jimmy's nasty. I think I was just an idiot.
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I think it's a cross between the way he did it. He wasn't even Everybody said, "Yo, let's if we're going to do this, let's go out." Like he he he's sporadic. Maybe the drugs do it quick.
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IS THIS HOW THESE USUALLY GO? I told you this was a campaign by Jimmy to take me down. Uh this isn't Bro, just listen to the guy shut up and apologize. Like I would really just took the L and be like, "Yo, I'm I'm not well
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right now. I'm sorry. I'm out." And as soon as I felt myself being hot and all that, I'm like, "Hold up, guys.
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Those stands are judging. I feel bad, bro. I don't know what to say. I suppose there really is nothing to say." Damn. Nah, I'm not GOING TO LIE.
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OKAY. OH, THEY COOK OUT OF HOWARD. DAMN, MAN. DAMN. HOWARD, I actually feel bad for Howard.
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He got I feel bad for him, too. I'm not crazy and I'm not on drugs.
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Please come in. You say that Jimmy McIll drugged you. How is that possible? The photos. They were wet with something.
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The missing photos. My PI, Jennandowski, had to have been on it. You got to be right.
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This got to be the worst feeling, bro. Knowing you're 100% right and just getting beat every corner.
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Three weeks ago, Julie got a call from our detective agency. She just dialed the old number and of course got the actual agency. And no surprise, no one by the name of Jennandowski had EVER WORKED THERE.
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THAT'S HILARIOUS. I hired a con man. I got played every step of the way. We do not let Jimmy win this.
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Why would Jimmy even do this? He's a profit participant. This means less money for him because he's a child. He wants his money now. He begged me months ago to settle.
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You know what he does. Whatever the truth is, we'll never get back to where we were before mediation.
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We have to settle. I'm thinking about the time, the expense, the uncertainty. That's a fact.
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That's a fact. Yeah. Like he needs to take the LE to your point. He is stupid because like why would you even think to hire a PI against Jimmy? You know how he works like in general.
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Mrs. NOW [screaming] [laughter] Mother of all meth labs. He said he this is a video from the top dawn right?
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Yeah. Yeah. He's going to take it out. I don't think they ever knew there that he had that live.
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He can't even [ __ ] bro. Got that bug, too. I would buck that, too. I'm not going to lie.
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Clever chicken. He's tight. He's like, "Damn, he probably fig I'm alive now." Even that he knows you're alive cuz he even bugged that for a reason.
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Like exactly wrong. He is not Jack, bro. His facial expressions be That was the last time that he talked.
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That's the last time he talked about. Just know those people got the handful at that spot, bro. Cuz that's Yeah, he is not going to finish ringing that bell tonight.
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Uh head up. Nah, but if I had to go up against him in general, hell yeah.
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is a savage. A sword master 20 minutes ago. We need homec court advantage, which is you in the safe house and him thinking you're alone.
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You need to get in your car and drive calmly home. Business as usual. Salamanca shows up, he goes down.
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I know Mike is like, "This guy Gustavo was right. He was He really was alive." Yeah. I think this is where he got more respect from Gustavo.
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I was tripping when you do all this drinking until the pain over. You doing okay?
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I'm fine. Sorry to uh interrupt this, but I brought you a gift. Uh this is for you.
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You earned it. You won. What did I win? What it's all about. I mean, what do you tell yourselves?
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What justification makes it okay? Howard's such an [ __ ] that he deserves it. I took away your office, put you in dock review. All the above.
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Howard's daddy helped him get to the top, but you both had a struggle. Howie has so much. We have so little. Let's take him down a peg.
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Why go through this elaborate plot just to burn me to the ground? Burn you to the ground, Howard. Come on.
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You You'll be fine. You always land on your feet. Yeah, sure. The sandpiper settlement. HHM sheriff will be substantial. Absolutely.
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Even though I humiliated myself and my clients and peers will whisper that Howard Hamlin's a drug addict.
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You're right. I will be okay. But you far from it. You too. You two are soulless.
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I thought you did it for the money, but now it's it's so clear through the money. You did it for fun. Get off on it. You're You're like Leopold and Loe.
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Two sociopaths. All right, that's enough. Oh, you know it's true. You just have the guts to admit it.
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You can't hide who you really are forever. OH MY GOD. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
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Don't kill him. Don't kill him. WHAT THE THIS IS THE worst time. Howard, you need to leave.
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Just Just turn around. No. No. No. No. No. Pat. What's this about? No. No. No. No. No. Bel Cliff Howard.
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Oh my god. Cliff Howard. Please. Please just tell us what you want. Cliff. I think I'm in the middle of something.
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There's really no need to. OH. [crying and screaming] OH NO. THAT'S SO GRIMY, BRO. OH MY GOD.
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He didn't deserve He didn't deserve that, bro. He didn't deserve that. Y'all ruin that guy's life, bro.
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No. How is it, though? He should have went to the house. That's No, this nah, he's not that dope that hectable regardless of what they should have went to his house.
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They did that to him, bro. Bro, they didn't know. They didn't know Lo was pulling up. They did not know Lo.
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They did not. They did not play for him get smoked. Bro, that's not I'm basically saying if Jimmy's doing that to you, you know Jimmy's so wild is the minute they reacted like yo Howard dip.
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He the way their bodies was like, "Yo, Jimmy's a crook." Like that is I'm basically saying when you run up to someone's house, you don't know what they got going on over there. I'm basically saying that was not smart for
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Howard been moving erratically all day. He shouldn't have went to the house. Yeah. Don't victim blame.
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I'm not victim blaming. I'm basically saying he's a victim. I'm saying he's a I'm not a victim believer. I'm basically saying you know he didn't deserve that though.
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I did. You know you know you know you know they put him in a predic saying yo you shouldn't have ran UP IN THEIR CRIB how anything's fault because you think you think they don't they would have moved out the crib. They didn't ridic
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cuz Mike told her, "Yo, I got people on you." And literally what happened? Lo did that purposely. Yo, I'm going to do all this so that they don't have cops anywhere. Mike and his people remember he said, "Yo, that's why the keyword
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they're like, yo, we're going to have people off." I'm basically saying how we're getting all that off is he didn't need to get all that off, bro. He didn't need to go to their house.
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I don't think this I ain't going to lie. I've never gotten beat up so bad.
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But I wouldn't run up to your house, bro. I'm telling you THOUGH AND HE DON'T THINK they gangster. Like he don't think they on some wild. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE he don't think they like that.
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NO, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. LOOK WHAT THEY DOING. HE DIDN'T HAVE NO FAULT. You don't know what they were into.
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That's what happened. I'm basically trying to say you don't know what there's no way you could There's no way you No. I'm b saying for me I I wouldn't I personally if it was me I I wouldn't just run up to anyone's house like that
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in general like late night just talking crazy. I don't know what could happen. That's why I'm saying I don't think that was smart on Howard to go over to their house and just get that off. Right.
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Here here's the thing. Two things can be true. Which is true. Two things two things can be true.
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Yeah. I don't think he's to to Robbie to Robbiey's point where Howard is stupid, right? Is after Jimmy's doing all this thing all these things right as a man as having talked to Chuck and you seeing all these things
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played out when it gets to a certain point just leave me alone. Just leave it. Don't even play the game. Because like where Howard lost was when he went to that boxing when Jimmy went to the boxing ring. He got the he called the PI
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and he continued to try to play the game. Don't play the game anymore. Just keep it. Just keep it pushing. Don't even BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF.
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NO, NO, NO. BECAUSE HE THREATENED THEM. NO. He came to the house AND SAID, "YO, I'M MY WHOLE LIFE TO TAKE YOU DOWN.
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HOWARD I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BY THE WAY WAIT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING PLAYED out at a certain point in time you just got to
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try to just distance yourself away as much as possible from Jimmy right um however in the case of everything that Howard happened to Howard did Howard deserve any of this absolutely that's that's one thing that's I WILL SAY AND TO THE AND TO YOUR POINT one
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thing I will say is that if you do continue to indulge in this. I could see where you get to a point where you go so crazy, right, that you have to confront the person that did this to you because
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you're trying to figure out why did you do this to me? Especially when I really try to do good by both of you to where to where HE GOES TO THE CRIB AND HE DOESN'T KNOW TO THEIR point he
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doesn't know the the things that they're involved to to the extent of him working for the um him working for the mob and all this which actually I think he should know just because but yeah he doesn't know the extent of
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like all of the people who might pull up on them at that time right he's sporadic he's heat of the moment he's just wondering Why you Why are you trying to ruin my life? So, he's going to pull up
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on them and confront them. He didn't think that Lava was going to pull up.
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He done that already. He already did that already, guys. Literally, when the bowling ball when he did the boxing thing, you confronted Jimmy and he's still messing with you. I'm basically saying, "I'm not going to pull up.
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You're already doing all this wild stuff to me. I'm not going to pull up at your crib late night and threaten you. I don't even know what time you You're already moving, walking." But this was But this was a breaking
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point because like it's Yes, he did all those things already, right? But keep in mind, something just happened for him to go to Jimmy S. I'm saying he moved in a minute and he got killed. THAT'S NOT SMART to run
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up. Even the dude, the whole uh uh the lawyer that was with his friend that was talking to him, he's literally like, "Yo, it don't even matter if it's Jimmy, though. Like, let it go." Like, he literally I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SO YOU CAN
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REALLY SAY THAT. I just can't believe I just can't believe that like Howard gets smoked. Howard gets drugged.
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Howard gets his whole professional career smoked. And we're talking about how DUMB HE IS. LIKE BUT YOU KNOW WHY? YOU KNOW WHY HE'S DUMB?
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HE JUST GOT YOU KNOW WHAT THE DRUGS concern is dumb. It's not DUMB THAT HE CONTINUED TO PLAY THE GAME.
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YES, Y'ALL. IT IS DUMB. HE GOT HE HIRED PI. You're playing ON JIMMY'S TERM. YOUR DUMB ASS HIRED JIMMY'S PI IN BOWLING BALL COPS THEN AND THE POLICE.
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PI IS PART OF THAT THOUGH. YES, it is. I need everybody STEP. THAT'S PART OF THE STEP THOUGH. I NEED EVIDENCE to me. HE'S WALKING AROUND all these. He's maneuvering differently, BRO. I NEED A COP.
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THE PI IS THE REASON WHY HE GOT CALLED. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CUZ HE TRIED TO CALL FOR A PI. HE END UP CALLING JIMMY.
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SO, IF HE DIDN'T CALL THE COPS, WHAT DO I DO? YO, somebody somebody stalking me THIS AND THAT. WHAT?
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YOU CALL THE COPS ON YOUR CAR. YOU CALL IMMEDIATELY. I don't know. WE DON'T KNOW. THEY WRITE DOWN.
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YOU DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COPS WERE. WE DON'T KNOW. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN Nacho broke into homie's house, what did the cops do, BRO? YOU DON'T KNOW.
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THAT'S ALL THEY WERE GOING TO DO. HE NEEDS EVIDENCE. THEY SAY SOMEBODY IS STALKING ME, BRO. SO, I NEED EVIDENCE.
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THAT'S WHY HE WAS JUST SMART. SOMEBODY THROWS BOWLING BALLS AT YOU. SOMEBODY BROKE INTO MY HOUSE.
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WHAT'S WORSE? BUT THEY STILL CALL THE COPS. I'M TELLING YOU, SOMEBODY BROKE IN. I CALLED THE COPS AND THEY TOOK DOWN THE REPORT.
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REGARDS ANYWAYS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY'RE NOT JUST SURROUNDING YOU, detailing you because he did GOT HIM KILLED. SO CLEARLY WHAT HE DID was not smart. If he called the cops, it would have been better than calling a fake PI, bro. That's all I'm
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saying. It would have been. HE CALLED A FAKE PI. I DON'T believe Let's lay HIM ON THE GROUND. LET'S LAY YOU ON THE GROUND HERE. LET'S LAY YOU ON THE GROUND.
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HE CALLED A REAL ONE AND THEN Jimmy switched the phone. Him calling a PI, he took it out.
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SO THE COPS ARE GOING TO DETAIL HIM 24/7 TO DETERMINE NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. THE POINT WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS. THE POINT WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS IS WHEN you take the
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bowling balls and you throw it at MY CAR. THAT'S WHERE I CALL THE COPS. NOW WE'RE GETTING NOTHING. HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN?
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HERE'S THE THING. HERE'S THE THING. HERE'S THE THING. THERE'S MORE THINGS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COPS WERE, BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE COPS WOULD HAVE DONE.
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LET ME SAY SOMETHING LIKE HOW COULDN'T THE COPS YOU CAN'T get DNA on a bowling ball. Like he never comes, [laughter] bro. I don't think I think he did have it. I don't think you could pull up. I
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REALLY DON'T HERE'S MY MATTER. THE MIDDLE GROUND HERE IS THAT I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS IS that yo Howard the only mistake I think Howard made but I do think is a human mistake is he thought that he could beat Jimmy
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at his game. That's all I'M TRYING TO SAY. I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I THINK BUT I DO BUT I DO THINK THAT A LIKE AND I DON'T I'M NOT JUST SAYING THE PI though like f the PI. I think the whole
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like idea of like all right yo I'mma I'mma do some uh I'mma do some stuff to get Jimmy caught up the way he's trying to catch me up cuz but what I think is humid about it is like yo Howard was
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already removed from the situation he like bro I'm good whatever Jimmy's throwing bowling balls at my crib then he then he uh getting hookers to pull up on my thing this man is not going to leave me alone so I think Howard at that
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point was like all right now let's play the who's smarter game. But the thing is is that he just never he never calculated that Jimmy's just much better at this side of law than me. Like, yo, if we had to go and be regular lawyers,
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I'll beat the hell out of Jimmy. But I got to realize that once it gets to like the game of PI's, the game of finesse, the game of swindling, this man's willing to go way further than I am.
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That's what we're saying. AND THAT'S WHY NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. What I also think is the reason why I don't want to call it stupid is I think it's human at a certain like like yo Jerry if somebody
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keeps with you if somebody keeps effing with you and no matter what you do they keep effing with you eventually you going to be and especially if you're as smart as Howard I think Howard is a smart guy I DON'T THINK YOU'RE RIGHT
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HERE'S THE THING HERE'S THE THING TWO THINGS CAN be true right human nature would make me want to get my get back YOU GO TO COP HOWEVER HOWEVER HOWEVER IF I'M GETTING MY GET BACK JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GET MY GET BACK THE WAY IN WHICH
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I DO it can be very stupid. Right? Heat of the moment. SOMETIMES YOU DO THINGS IN heat of the moment that are very stupid. In this instance, what howard's reaction, yes, he wanted to get his get back. That was his human nature. But
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this was not the smartest thing to do. The way that he went about it was kind of IF YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY THIS game with Jimmy, who you've been warned ABOUT BY HIS BROTHER, who was your close colleague, right? For the
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things that you've seen him do and you want to continue playing this game when you know how Jimmy is. Yes, I can say that that is suit. Even if it is heat of the moment, even if you want to get your
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get back, you'll figure out a way that doesn't play. I do think I do think that I do think that the decision to go to his crib was an erratic decision.
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I just got I just got absolutely destroyed and I've decided that you win this round.
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What I don't get for him, yo, is and I just think it's erratic. Like it's like a like I don't know what it feels like to get my entire profession like no matter what if I leave you alone you
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still going to beat me down. Like you just beat me for millions of dollars.
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Like you just beat my firm up. You did everything you could. Like and you went above. LIKE HE HE LOOKED AT KIM LIKE DAMN. LIKE WHAT I DO TO Y'ALL THAT Y'ALL HAD TO GET ME THAT BAD. BUT LIKE I DO
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think that the crazy part for him is for me we got beef till he died. Like I feel how you bro. I will take I will do anything I can to take you down. better.
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BUT WHY WOULD I LOOK YOU IN YOUR FACE? Like that WAS THE ONLY THING THAT LIKE go to your crib when you already beat me up 45 times.
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THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I NEVER I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW. I would never run into someone's house that got that's doing stuff like that happened to me.
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WE GOT MURDER BEEF, BRO. I'm telling you right now THAT MAKES SENSE. MURDER hates me. He might attack me.
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I wouldn't do that. THAT'S LIKE WALKING IN YOUR CRIB AND be like, "Yo, one day you're never going to see I'mma punch you in this. Like, one day I'm going to shoot you, bro. Like, you don't know when it's coming, but I'm going to shoot
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you. YOU BEAT ME 45 TIMES, BUT I'm 40." And it's funny. You know what I'm saying? It's funny. But I thought he was going there to say, "Yo, I'm off." Like, "Whatever, guys. You got it." But he actually WAS LIKE TAKING FOREVER. THAT'S
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WHY I'M LIKE, "BRO, LIKE THAT WAS SOME ego stuff. You don't go just go do that, bro. I'm literally" And my whole thing, bro, human nature. If anyone has a house with their wife in there and you're chilling and then you walk outside and
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you see someone threw a bowling ball, you're going to call the cops first, bro. Like, you're not going to be like I think that's the most common thing to do first is to call the cops after your car
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got damaged your car. Officer, I'm put for my insurance. I'M GOING TO CALL THE COPS, GUYS. LIKE, that's a f He didn't call the cops. And that's the first dumb thing he did to me, bro.
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But I do agree. I do agree. He wasn't going to get back. How we he didn't call the cops, though.
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I mean, from what it shows, it didn't it didn't seem like he caught the cops. We You were even just saying that I wouldn't call the cops.
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No, I'm just saying what are the cops going to do against Jimmy? I'M PUTTING it first I would have taken two quarter of cops after that. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm pretty sure SOMEBODY HIT MY CAR IN THE STREET. IT
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HAPPENED TO ME. THEY hit my car in the street. No, that's not No, no. You're Someone throws a bowling ball. That's what happened. I know. But you No, but people what I'm saying. One, Howard had a fence, so you ain't going to see Jimmy's
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face. If Jimmy, which they're saying he wore a glove, which I believe he probably did cuz he's calling the cops wouldn't have solved my Jimmy PROBLEM.
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BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S COOL. I'M saying you're going to call THE COPS.
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I'M PRETTY SURE HE CALLED IT, BRO. WE DON'T KNOW. That's why you were wild because now you're putting it into your own hands.
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How I would have offered quarter cops and still did whatever. That was cool. But I'm going to put it's not going to stop the Jimmy.
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And I feel like you guys are also making it seem like uh Howard played a part in why Jimmy was doing this to him.
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He had like he's playing Why would you play his game? He wasn't playing the game, bro.
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He's literally TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF. I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING he was he was PLAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT'S ME TRYING TO PROTECT MYSELF.
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I GET YOU. IT'S HUMAN NATURE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY BRO. It's not a game, bro. He's a law. That's what I'm supposed to do if I'm want to protect MYSELF FROM JIMMY.
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BUT WELL, WELL, here's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that it's Howard's fault necessarily. I'm just saying that yo if because you know how Jimmy is you don't try to act like Jimmy in order to take like my thing is like MY THING IS LIKE
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ALL THE COPS GOING TO DO THEY JUST GOING TO TAKE THE CALLIMMY FRUSTRATED DRUG A LOT HE'S NOT A GANGSTER HE DIDN'T COME ON GANGSTER TIME HE DIDN'T COME CUZ HE WOULD HAVE SHOT OR BEAT HIS ASS IF HE WAS ON GANGSTER
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HE ACTUALLY CAME IN AND SAID, "CAN I COME IN? I BROUGHT YOU A THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. THAT'S NOT GANGSTER.
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THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. CANNOT COME IN. IT'S NOT GANGSTER. One person. Somebody roll ups in my house late night. I open the door. He comes in erratic and threatens ME." THAT'S HE DIDN'T [laughter] COME IN IN HE SAID, "CAN I COME IN? I BROUGHT YOU A GIFT."
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THAT'S NOT GANGSTER, BRO. I'M GOING TO TRY GANGSTER, ROB. THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. SO, IF I GO TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, GOOGLE, IF I GO TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND THREATEN them late night, to me, that's gangster.
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All right. To me, if I go to the house at 10:11 and threaten you, say I'm going to go out of my house to make sure cuz he said I'm my to come inside.
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You could go, you know, you could come into a situation and turn gangster, right? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
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GANGSTER DOESN'T MEAN GANGSTER DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS BEING A BRUTE. LIKE YOU COULD VERBALLY BE A GANGSTER.
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YOU COULD VERBALLY SAY SOMETHING. GUYS, this gangster gangster not gangster. I told him to leave. Came in both of them said, "Yo, Howard, leave. Howard, leave." He didn't leave and then he threatened them. That's gangster, bro. I told you leave my
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house. You didn't leave. And then you threatened me. THAT'S NOT GANGSTER. HOWARD GANGSTER IS GOING AWAY.
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GO TO YOUR HOUSE. YOU AND YOUR GIRL TELL ME TO LEAVE. I don't leave and then I threaten and say, "Yo, I'm going to go out of my way to take make sure that I take you guys down after you told me to
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leave already." Your girl was like, "YOU HAD TOO MUCH. GO HOME." AND YOU didn't want to go home and you threatened me.
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That's not against that's not aggressive. It's aggressive. Yeah. But I I think like my whole thing is I get I GET BOTH SIDES OF DOING THAT.
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LIKE I get both sides of it like where yo, he has to do something. I'm getting violated at every corner. But like cuz I I get what like to Joel's point, it's like so what am I to do?
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I was supposed to take I was supposed to lay down SAYING DIFFERENT ROUTE, BRO. What was THE DIFFERENT ROUTE?
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I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. LEAVE IT ALONE. DO THAT. You would it would have BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT. LISTEN, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL because if he did actually go out for a PI, he would never
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get the picture. He never got drug, he actually would have been chilling. THAT WHOLE THING RIGHT THERE.
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I THINK Jimmy would have found different means to get I THINK JIMMY THAT DETERMINED ON how they would have done if he didn't do nothing. A he would have still had that case and he would have still been alive.
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If he didn't do nothing, that's literally the other option. If he went THAT WAY, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN a way. That could have been a way. Yes, if he would have took the pictures, what would they have been able to done to get
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like I said, I still think Jimmy and Kim would have still found the means to ruin that case for him cuz they still wanted they still wanted uh that case to settle cuz they wanted the money.
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I'm just responding to what you said. You said what else could he do? And I'm saying if HE WENT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE THAT WE DON'T KNOW that for sure.
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Two things would have he wouldn't have died. He wouldn't if WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
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HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. WHY WOULD HE RUN UP IN THEIR HOUSE? MY WHOLE TRY TO RUIN HOWARD TO settle the case.
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So, I still think that the But my point is if he didn't do anything though, him coming here mad about what I'm saying. My point is if he just was all uh nay just said, "Yo, he could do
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it. I'm just not going to do anything." He would have been way off better. He would and he would never GO TO THE HOUSE.
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NONE [laughter] OF THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED to him. That's why I'M SAYING THAT POINT THEY COULD HAVE still tried to get him. But I'm saying if he you said which other way, if he did absolutely nothing, he would have all
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the lawyers would have still respected him. He would have made a fool himself in there. the sandpiper case would have still went and he would have never went to Jimmy's house to get shot. That's what I'm asking.
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But that you're removing the whole fact that Jimmy and Kim wanted to ACTUALLY but that removes the complete thing that they're actually hurting.
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But that's what they wanted. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED. NAMASTE. I'M JUST CHILLING. YOU'RE ALIVE. YOU'RE ALIVE. YOU'RE MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YO NAMASTE. ALL my point was when Namaste is he would have been alive cuz he would have never went
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to the house to do that. That's all MY POINT. SO SOMEBODY PURPOSELY WANTS to ruin my life. I know about it. I'm supposed to just chill out.
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A lot of people do. A lot OF PEOPLE DO THAT. WE TALK ABOUT WAITING.
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SO POWER'S DUMB BECAUSE HE FOUGHT BACK. YES, I DO. SO YOU WANTED HIM TO BE DUMBER AND NOT FIGHT BACK. SO YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE JUST TAKE THE L. SOMEBODY RUIN YOUR LIFE. TAKE THE HOUR AND BE ALIVE. TAKE
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THE HOUR AND BE ALIVE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE IN HINDSIGHT HE GOT KILLED. BUT IN REAL LIFE, YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT, RIGHT?
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YES, I WOULD. YOU WON'T KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU ABOUT TO GET KILLED. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW YOU ABOUT TO GET KILLED.
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I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I Robbie I'm not running up IN ANYONE'S HOUSE. WOULD YOU LET YOUR LIFE AND YOU were just going to be chill about it?
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BUT I WOULD HAVE COPS. I TOLD YOU WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. I WOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS AND THEY DID NOTHING.
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HOW DO I KNOW IF THEY WOULD? YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT A COP. You don't know.
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You can't tell me. I would HAVE I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS OUT. I KNOW YOU. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO, JO? What the hell?
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I JUST KNOW YOU, ROB, AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD JUST TAKE THAT. SO, WHAT WOULD I DO?
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I THINK YOU WOULD FIGHT BACK. I THINK YOU WOULD FIGHT BACK. I BELIEVE YOU WON'T GO TO THE I DON'T THINK I would have called.
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You know what I would have done? I would have called AND THEY DID NOTHING AND I WOULD HAVE called security. I would have done a lot. I wouldn't have called a PI, BRO. I WOULDN'T CALL YOU PI BECAUSE IN HINDSIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT
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HAPPENED. I WOULDN'T CALL PI BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, BRO. It's really we agree to disagree in this instance right here.
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I know agreeing. I know for a fact Robbie would CALL DISAGREEING WITH you and you know what you would do and he say I will say is when he hired the PI, none of us was like, "Yo, that's Jimmyy's PR." Like we
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never would have known that, bro. I MEAN, I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO HIRE A PI.
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HOW MUCH MONEY you paid for the PI? He said the dude said I paid a PI $20,000.
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I'm telling you right now, I'm not spending 20 B on a PI for Jimmy. I'M NOT DOING THAT, GUYS. I KNOW FOR you are, BUT I'M BASICALLY SAYING LIKE, BRO, you're calling the cops who are free and you want them to do more,
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bro. No, you're saying saying he'll do that as an alternative to hiring a day, we don't know what the cops will do. You keep saying they wouldn't do anything.
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We don't know. To you, you think I don't know what they would do. Yeah. Like what would what?
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So, so if there's never evidence, you don't call the cops for anything. That's what y'all telling me. If there's YOU STILL CALL THE COPS to put in the case, guys. That is evidence.
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HE JUST SAID TO FINGERPRINT A BOWLING BALL. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
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I WAS GOING You said they had a glove. I was right off that. THEY HAD A GLOVE. PRINT THE BOWLING BALLS. HOW did he know he had fingerprints? GUYS, LET'S BE HONEST. HOW WOULD KNOW? HE DIDN'T KNOW. SO, AT THAT
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POINT, JOE, I still would have cuz I wouldn't know HE HAD IT CAME IN the neighborhood.
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Rob was going TO CALL THE COPS. ROBBIE, HE WAS GOING TO CALL. YES, I WOULD. YES. If I Yo, I'm telling you right now, Joe. If I have 80, $100,000 car and a [ __ ] throws a bowling ball on it and you think I ain't
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going to call the cops, you're crazy, BRO. I'M PLANNING ON YO, YOU KNOW WHY I GOT INSURANCE? WHAT DID I SAY TO YOU?
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WHERE DO I BEEN SAYING? I SAID EVEN FOR INSURANCE, I WOULD I said human nature.
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ANYONE WOULD HAVE A COP CAR. WELL, I GOT A NEW CAR. NOT necessarily new, but it's a nice car.
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It's a newer car than what you had. That's cool. I would have called a cop.
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SO, I'M JUST SAYING Y'ALL said I wouldn't. I'm literally saying for insurance purposes if my car $100,000 car got vandalized school $100,000 car if I HAD A $5,000 CAR but that doesn't mean it was who did it say
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my youngest that's all I'm saying the reason why he's dead I'm saying he played that game if I just called the cop did that I left it alone I would still have my and the nature of the argument was we
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were saying that what how did was stupid. So yes and that was saying what you would do in adverse of like calling the PI. So that is let us know what y'all think is how stupid did he approach this like should
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he have approached this differently? Let us know in the comments. Remember that lawyer the one that keeps saying with the glasses toward he had a real combo. He said yo nothing's gonna happen leave it. He told him he said
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just drop it. He said it don't matter what Jimmy and that I was going what that lawyer said. Bro, it don't matter.
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Let him win that thing. Let it go, bro. That he also thought he was on drugs cuz Jimmy convinced him that he was on drugs. Bro, that's I'm saying what the lawyer said. Gave him right. He said it don't matter if
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it's Jimmy or not. Let it go, Howard. He did say that and I would have took that advice bro.
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Yep. He said you're going to go in there and apologize everybody. Yeah. He was like, "And just drop it.
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Don't matter if Jimmy did it or not." He was saying, "I I believe Jimmy did it, but it don't matter. You're not going to be able to prove anything. Just let it go.
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Howard just got smoked in house. Yeah, that's crazy. It's your boy Patrick. Ultimately, it's still Howard.
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It's your boy RT. Hey yo, Lo. Yo, man, you whing right now. Hey, what you can do with this?
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They got call. It's your boy. Make sure they call the cops. So, make [laughter] sure you go box him.
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Make sure you go. LET'S GO MEET THE BOX. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. GO TO THE COPS.
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LET'S BOX IT OUT, GUYS. cuz that's so smart. I'm going to box it out with you.
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I'm just I'm calling all the dumb stuff How is doing? I'm not saying you. I'm just literally naming the dumb stuff.
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You should never box. You should never PUSH THEM OFF. HOW DUMB HOWARD IS. You know that how bad Jimmy AND KIM IS JUST TERRIBLE.
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We acknowledge that WE SAID when Howard DIED I LITERALLY I LITERALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT HOWARD DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE BUT I PLAYED THAT GAME.
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I NEVER SAID HOWARD deserve to die. Nobody said that. I didn't say that. I DIDN'T SAY Y'ALL SAID THAT.
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I DIDN'T SAY THAT. But that imply that Jimmy and Kim are not good people by saying Howard didn't deserve to die. HE DIDN'T DESERVE ANY OF THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE.
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YEAH, I DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING. But I see people playing that evil with me. I'm not going to play that game if I can't play.
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I want to hear that, too. It's your boy Wells. And that settles it at the round table.
Topics:Better Call SaulSeason 6Episode 7Lalo SalamancaHoward HamlinJimmy McGillRTV ReactsTV reactionlegal dramaBreaking Bad universe
