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What do you think are the three mini gold rushes happening inside AI right now that no one is talking about?
Explore 3 hidden AI gold rushes and how to make $1M quickly by leveraging AI video, apps, and infrastructure in this insightful podcast.
Key Takeaways
- AI video creation is a lucrative, low-barrier entry point for making money with AI.
- Most companies are not utilizing AI effectively, presenting vast market opportunities.
- Building infrastructure for AI labs is a high-level, capital-intensive gold rush.
- Persistence and targeted outreach can secure high-value clients quickly.
- Young people’s social media expertise is a unique advantage in AI marketing.
What the video covers
- AI video creation is a major emerging opportunity to disrupt social media and marketing by producing low-effort, high-impact ads for companies.
- Many companies are unaware of AI's current capabilities, creating vast opportunities for entrepreneurs to offer AI-powered marketing, websites, and apps.
- Marketing agencies are leveraging AI by subcontracting young creators to produce AI-generated content and ads, capitalizing on low-cost labor.
- Three main AI gold rush subcategories include: building infrastructure and data services for AI labs, developing AI apps, and creating AI-driven marketing content.
- It is now easier than ever to build and market AI apps, including using AI influencers to promote products rapidly.
- A practical step-by-step plan to make $1M in six months involves creating AI video ads for VC-backed software companies and securing retainers.
- Young entrepreneurs can leverage their deep familiarity with social media platforms like TikTok and Instagram Reels to create compelling AI ads.
- AI video has the potential to transform social media platforms and marketing strategies, offering multiple avenues for monetization.
- The podcast emphasizes the importance of persistence in outreach and the value of offering free initial AI ad content to win clients.
- The conversation also touches on the broader AI ecosystem, including infrastructure, chips, and efficiency improvements, where billions of dollars are being invested.
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Yeah, I would say almost like the last time I was on here, I said that the thing young people should be doing is building AI apps and marketing them. But I realize now that even that is too much
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work for the average person to do despite that being like a completely viable way to make her millions. I think AI video will spawn a whole new era of labor for people to go out and make AI videos for companies
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to serve as marketing material or just completely upend all social medias as we know it. You know, because really that, like, that the world happens today is Instagram Reels and TikTok functionally. This is where moments
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get made in New York City. This is where AOC becomes like one of the most famous politicians in America. This is where social media is where things happen. And AI video has the potential to completely upend social media. And
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the easiest, lowest effort thing that somebody can do to make their riches, a sub gold rush of AI, is just AI video.
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Like go out there and make AI videos. Email a bunch of companies. Here's a UGC video that I made for you that you made online. Run this as an ad. And if it's not profitable, then don't ever
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talk to me again. But if it is profitable, then put me on a retainer for $3,000 a month, and I'll continue to make you AI ads just like this. And you can literally sit there and just
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type in AI some stuff with a million typos and like make an ad for this company. More broadly though, I would say the way to make money with AI today is to capture the
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value of people who do not know how good AI is right now. There are so many companies like this. So many people like this. In fact, I would say 99.9% of companies in the world today are like this. They have the opportunity to use
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AI for something that they are not doing. And you, whether that's making ads for them because they're not tapping into AI video enough, whether that's making websites for them because, you know, they're not figuring that out enough, whether it's building AI
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apps and then selling that to the average consumer who doesn't know that they could buy code this themselves over a weekend. This is where you stand to make your money. And there are so, so many ways to make millions of dollars
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doing this. There's so many people that I know who have made millions of dollars doing the most absurd things, building the most random apps, doing the most random stuff for different companies. There's marketing
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agencies that exist now that subcontract middle schoolers to make AI videos for them and then sell those as ads like the exact process that I talked about. I'll make you a bunch of ads for your company and rather
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than having, you know, like an in-house grand empire of 40, like a huge building with 40 UGC creators and having to go through all that nonsense, literally just DM a bunch of 14-year-old TikTokers online, have them make the ads and then sell that to the company.
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There's marketing agencies that exist like that today. There's marketing agencies that exist for LinkedIn ghostwriting where you don't do any of the ghostwriting. You just convince someone that you can make LinkedIn posts for them and you just generate a
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bunch of AI random stuff and the person that you're selling to doesn't know at all that what you just sent them is completely AI generated and you didn't even look at it, you know, like for all they know, there's some
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45-year-old who doesn't even know what this is. There's so many people making money in so many different ways.
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And if you had to ask me, like the three subcategories, I'd say the highest level, if you are the most competent and smartest person watching this video, then you probably want to do something
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that serves the AI labs. You build a company around whether it's providing them data, building infrastructure for them to run their models on, trying to develop some sort of thing that will slightly improve the efficiency of some data chip or some chip or GPU, anything in that field. It's ripe. The VC money is flowing in that
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field, like truly billions, multiple billions to be made there. If you want to build an app, you can go out and build apps. If you're not interested in taking a
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swing at that level, you can build an app, you can market it. It's never been easier to build before. It's never been easier to market before. And you can market it with an AI influencer. You can build an app in an afternoon, get it
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approved by the app store in the next three days, and you can market it entirely with AI influencers. And in theory, this is all possible. It's possible for you to spawn a million dollars in a week.
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You can do that. You can just go on some AI video platform and just figure out like, okay, here's a UGC video that I think would be funny. Send it to any company and be on a retainer and just
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make 10K a month doing that. There is just so much, so much, so much money to be made at so many different levels. Me personally, this makes me want to go back to every podcast I've done and every podcast I've
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seen about how to make money with social media and just apply it to AI video specifically because there's a million different ways people have made money with videos on social media like YouTube agencies that sell ads for
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creators and there's long form content, there's short form content, there's audio content, there's transcribing the videos into other languages so you can make AI videos in other countries. So, a lot of stuff like that. There's Facebook ads, UGC content
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like you said, but if we try to distill this down to make it super accessible and you can take your time on this one. If you had to go from zero to a million dollars in six months with AI video, how
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would you do it? Step one, search up Canva 2.5. Find any provider. Step two, find a hundred software companies who have raised over $10 million of venture capital.
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Step three, for every single one of them, make a compelling ad. An ad that you think you would watch on social media yourself using Canva 2.5. Step four, email every single one of these companies every single day with the ad,
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telling them, "I made this ad for you for free. Go run it as an ad. If it's profitable, put me on a retainer. I'll make you more ads. If this ad performs for you, pay me $10,000 a month. I will
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make you more ads just like this, and I guarantee I'll make you money. If it's not profitable, completely ignore this email. Never talk to me again, but I made this for you for free." Email them
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that same thing every single day until they respond. Step five, repeat this eight times and you have eight clients paying you $10,000 a month and over a year you make a million dollars, I guess. Six months. So, sure, repeat it
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16 times. Get 16 companies to sign this off. By the way, this is something that I would sign off on.
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That would work. I ask people this question a lot. That would work though. Damn. And then just any one bit of advice to add to that on how to make good AI ads.
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If you are young and interested in making money, one of the only advantages that you have, because realistically on average, you're stupider than the generations before you. On average, there are more competitors out there in the space of entrepreneurship than ever
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before. And one of your only skills that you have is the skill that you spent the last 14 years of your life doom scrolling eight hours a day on TikTok or Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts or YouTube Kids. And there is actually a
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way to use that to your advantage, which is you have the unique ability...
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before. And uh one of your only skills that you have is the skill that you spent the last 14 years of your life doom scrolling eight hours a day on Tik Tok or Instagram res or YouTube shorts or YouTube kids. And there is actually a
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way to use that to your advantage, which is you have the unique ability. Well, mo I would say even most people watching this video and and I really think the average person watching any video online is some [ __ ] farmer in Kansas that is
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going to be incapable of doing anything that requires any sort of cognitive ability at all. But genuinely for the average person watching this video, it is possible for them to look at a video and say this is boring or this is not.
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And that is the only skill that you need to make compelling AI ads or compelling AI videos that will actually work.
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Because what surprises me almost every single week, at least once a week, I have an instance of this surprising me is these 40-year-old boomers on Facebook do not understand what's boring. They will genuinely read the most AI slop
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[ __ ] ever, the the the the most disgustingly mash-filled essay ever, and they'll send it to their grandkids, be like, "You should read this. This was inspiring to me." These people genuinely do not have that sense that you develop
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over years of, you know, scrolling. And you're a young guy watching the video. You're a young young person watching the video. Like that sense is the genuinely the only thing you need to sit down in front of Cance 2.5 and keep
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prompting something over and over until you get something that you think is funny. Because if you think it's funny as a 14-year-old who dooms scrolls, other other 14-year-olds will will will find it funny. and you will you you you
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will have had a video that the the the 40-year-old on Facebook would just never ever ever have been able to make.
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I think that's great advice. Yeah. And I realizing now you can also just look up a company, go to their Facebook ads, met a library, whatever, see their longest running ad, and then remake it with Cance.
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Of course. Yes. And and and sell to their competitors. This is this is good stuff, Roy. Uh, I mean, do you think getting rich is just painfully simple in 2026?
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If this were the 1800s and you wanted to get rich, first of all, you have to pray that you're born in America. Second of all, you have to pray your ass is not black. Second of all, or third of all,
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you got to pray that, you know, your family has the money to send you to college. Uh, fourth of all, you you you you got to pray that you know, like you're not [ __ ] doomed to be some
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coal miner for the rest of your life because your your father was and your grandfather was before you and they don't know anything outside of that and they would [ __ ] beat you and and kick you out of the house if you weren't
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going to be going to participate in the coal mining industry. There's so many loopholes that you had to go through that are literally just chance by genetic lottery. Right now, it is true.
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It is objectively true. There are more young millionaires now than ever. You could have got lucky on some [ __ ] cryptocoin back in, you know, like four years ago and you wouldn't have even had to be 18 years old. You could have
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[ __ ] KYCed using your mom's identity. You could have put 20 bucks in it and you could have [ __ ] flipped this 20 bucks into millions of dollars. And there genuinely are 14, 15, 16 year olds
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that have done this before. And perhaps not painfully easy, but getting rich right now compared to the 1800s is both painfully easy and is painfully simple. you have the entire knowledge of humanity essentially at your fingertips at your fingertips not just with the
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internet but with AI because I guarantee you if you ask AI how can I make $10,000 this month the AI will come up with at least one solution that is somewhat viable and the only difference between the version of you that has made the money
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and the version of you that has not is that the version of you that has made the money actually tried it and this is just such a different thing than it was back in the day where if you didn't
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start the [ __ ] carpentry business that your entire village relied on then you weren't making it out Like genuinely, you can just type the right buttons on your laptop and you will become rich. And there's an infinite
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wealth of advice waiting for you that you don't even have to [ __ ] watch anymore cuz you can just ask AI to summarize the videos for you and it will genuinely tell you the correct things to do. a kid online could entirely in
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chatbt.com have found this video by searching what are you know like the the the the recent videos on how to get rich with AI summarize the video figure out how to how to perform the steps of the video
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set up an automation to do every step except sitting in front of cance 2.5 and waiting for you know like like like the the the the good the good videos to come out and you could have done this all on
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chatbt.com with [ __ ] like a week's worth of time and I I just truly don't understand how in any point in in in in in human history it could have been more more easy. The ways to get rich are like
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uncountable. The ease of of of most of these methods are uncountable. Um and and the average laziness of your competitors is just higher than it's ever been before. If if you're just not rich right now or you're not very close
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to getting rich or you're not trying something that has a very good chance of of making you rich, then I genuinely would say you're seems like you don't want to get rich, buddy.
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Yeah. And I'll just say uh as a challenge to the viewers, if you can make a viral video with me and Roy at this podcast table uh right now can just be any part of the conversation, just use C dance 2.5 and it send you $1,000
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if it gets what? 100,000 views. Million views. Sure. Million views. Million views. I'll send him $1,000. Uh I want to ask, are you hiring a lot of people at your startup right now?
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because I'm curious like if AI is kind of making founders think differently and not wanting to hire people but just figure out how to automate it before we need to hire them. Does that make sense?
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Yeah. I I really think that the way we operate the company right now is very different from any company that I've seen. Um and the the way that it's it's most similar to other companies right now but different from you know established
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companies is that we have a shockingly small amount of engineers. There are two full-time engineers that work at the company and uh this is I would say the average amount of engineers that I see at most series A seedstage startups.
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These startups with you know products that you've heard of that you use have a shockingly small amount of engineers because it just doesn't take that much.
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You can write the same quality of code now with a completely novice engineer honestly as you could have with with a completely senior engineer just because the coding models have gotten that good.
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So I would say firstly we have a very shockingly small number of engineers and it it it is a team that I'm not super interested in growing. Um second I would say we have a very large product suite
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and I would say this is something that we do that I don't see other companies doing. We operate with uh at this point there's seven software products that exist under the Cloy corporate entity and one of them is the Cluey desktop
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app. There's seven products that are maintained by two engineers and almost every single one of these products makes over a million dollars a year. And it is crazy that uh we are allowed to do this because now really you're able to spin
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up a product that would have otherwise taken 3 months to 6 months to develop with a team of 20 engineers. You can do this in the free time of the afternoon of an engineer today. And this is something that I don't see other people
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doing. I I think even even right like right now there's so much value to be captured in the people that don't understand. you can oneshot these apps are not willing to oneshot the apps. Uh there there's competitors that aren't
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willing to aren't willing to compete with you because they're so single focused on their own product that I I I think people don't actually realize like you could just spin up seven products that can make you a lot of money if
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marketed correctly. Uh we we could probably do [ __ ] 20. The third way I think we're different from other companies is that uh we hire a an astonishingly high number of creators.
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We have at this point, you know, and this role really did not exist five, ten years ago, but we have creators on retainer that we pay for the performance of their videos. You know, you make ads for us. If the ads do well, you get
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paid. And at this point, we have, I want to say, over a thousand people that we hire in this sort of capacity that are just making videos for us. And if the videos do well as ads, then you get
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paid. And we probably have the capacity to hire 10,000 more. Um, if there's 10,000 good creators that make profitable ads for you, then why would you not you could hire [ __ ] hundred You could hire a million creators to do
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this as long as the ads keep working. H I think this is something that I don't see other companies doing. They have not most people just are not willing to tap into uh the power of creative quantity which is something that I think we've
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always been uh forward in the average creator at your company are they more interested in this AI video content creation than making the videos themselves? Like what are creators saying about it or are you just finding a different series of people to create
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that AI type of content? This is something relatively new. We're trying the the a video stuff we've gotten into over the past month or two and it's largely been internal with like with like people that we have in-house at the
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company. Um the thing is other companies are so far behind in advertising and marketing material. They haven't even tapped into the idea that you can hire a 100 creators to make organic UGC videos where they're just talking to the camera
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and that'll make great ads for you. Like most companies are not doing this, much less trying to invest in a thousand different AI Tik Tok accounts to see which whi which of these can can generate a viral tren a v a v viral
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trend. Right now there is so much money to be made and you know like so much low hanging fruit for us from literally just you know having creators make content for us organically. Do you have a B2B consulting side where you offer that as
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a service to I is a super niche opinion I have but I think marketing is just one of those things that doesn't really scale ultimately there are only so many eyeballs on the internet you know there there there
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really are only 7 billion people in the world and and even within any sector there's like I if if you want to be the marketing studio if you want to be the the the marketing guys that a toilet
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paper brand can come to surely this toilet paper company could not come to you as long as as as well as all of their competitors. Surely not every single one of them could come to you and expect proper returns, you know, like
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like at the end of the day, marketing is sort of a a zero- sum game where uh there's the fixed share of people, fixed share of eyeballs, and you have to be sort of the the first to capture
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attention, eyeballs, interesting like compelling videos. You you got to be be the first as opposed to all of your competitors. And and and it's it's it's not one of those things like for example payroll. If you if I develop a more
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efficient process for payroll, then everybody can can enjoy, you know, the extra five hours that they have to spend on figuring out payroll. But for marketing, it really is not like that.
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Marketing is one of those zero sum things where you have to be strictly better than your competitors. And and it's not that everybody can just, you know, enjoy an increasingly larger pie ultimately. It's not that if there if
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ads become 10 times as good tomorrow, the consumer is not going to spend 10 times as much. There's a a a fixed budget for consumer spending, and the only thing that changes is how it's distributed. So, you know, I really
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But anyway, guys, back to the podcast. The school year's just started. 20 million students are enrolled in college. How many kids graduating college this year will never find a job?
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There's an exact number for this online, but I wouldn't be surprised if this number was anything around like even 40%. Uh like I really would not be surprised if it was one in two, one in three college graduates couldn't find a
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job. Um I think increasingly there's less jobs for people. I guess I mean like never a lot of people talk about the idea of uh like them not being able to get a job out of college, but like do
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you think some people will just never have a job? Of course, some people that that's a question I haven't thought of, but the more I think about it right now, more I realize like there's probably a huge group of people like this. Some
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[ __ ] I know in college are and I I went I went to Columbia for for a little while. So I some of the smartest [ __ ] at Ivy Leagues are the laziest, most incompetent pieces of [ __ ] ever. And I
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would never ever I wouldn't hire them to [ __ ] shine my shoes. Like this [ __ ] will stay in bed doom scroll if it's shine my shoes at 8 at at 8 a.m. This guy's not pulling up till
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[ __ ] 10 p.m. So, um I I have pretty low faith in the college graduates of today. And uh if I had to put a number on the college graduate the amount the percentage of college graduates who
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would never find a job in their life, I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like 15%.
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H how about 5 years from now? What do you think that'll be? Five years ago we didn't have chachbt and today chacht can functionally do the work of almost all blue collar labor. So if you had to extrapolate five years from now then I
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think the number of college students who won't be able to find a job is that's that that number is probably upwards of 90 upwards of 90% I would say.
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So for the average kid today would you advise them to drop out of high school.
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That's the only reason to stay in high school is to enjoy the the social life of high school. I think even if it were the case that you told me humanity is going to be extinct in five years, the
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economy will collapse and everybody is going to be plugged into this matrix type simulation that is going to feed us a a a consciousness that that if they feed us a reality that that that is not the reality we experience but you know
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like an optimized version even if you told me that was going to be the reality of the world in 5 years. I would still tell high schoolers to stay in school because ultimately I think humans at our core we are primal creatures. Uh we are
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driven by biological desires like sex, socializing and and friends and and and and truly being being lonely is one of the worst feelings in the world. When I graduated high school or after I graduated high school, I took a year and
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that entire year I spent my mom's house in in my parents house and I did not meet a single person in this entire year. And this was just one of the most brutal worst experiences of my life.
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I've been poor. I've been I've been like canceled online. I've been I' I've been shhat on for so many things and and there's just no period in my life that was ever more painful than me sitting in complete isolation. And I think the risk
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with dropping out of high school, even if you could make millions of dollars, there are the majority of people won't.
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The majority of people are going to drop out of high school and live lives of complete and total isolation. And I think this is the worst fate that you could ever uh doom a human to. I think when when you're in high school, you
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have the chance to be in a place where, you know, like you're kind of forced to socialize with other people. And if you want to start a business in high school, you can you can do it. You you you can
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do it in your free time outside of high school. But I really think loneliness is one of those things that is just the worst possible human experience.
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Yeah, there are guys listening to this podcast right now that literally haven't had a meaningful conversation with another person in weeks. their entire social life is online.
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Do you think AI is making men lonelier? Certainly not. I think this is uh I think co did a lot of damage to society and it forced everyone inside forced everyone not to talk with each other and I think this is one of this is actually
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one of the reasons why I think the college environment is just not what it used to be. What used to be college was you know like a very bustling very social place. you know, there's a campus, there's the there's a commons,
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and you would go out and you'd be able to talk to people your age. But nowadays, you ask about anybody's college experience, uh, at least of the people that I've met, you know, like they have a core group of friends that
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they met at orientation, maybe three or four friends, and that's all the people they really ever talked to during during their entire college experience cuz people are glued to their phones. And I don't know if AI has made people more
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glued to their phones. In fact, I would say AI is probably one of the least contributing factors to this. This is really just social media plus COVID did irre irreparable damage to to to society, made people content and
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normalize the fact that you're never going to talk to anyone. You can just spend your entire uh existence online.
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And really, you know, humans are primal creatures. We're not meant to sit on sit on our phones all day. You're me you're meant to be digging around with your friends, which is really a large reason why I built the company that I have. A huge
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primary motivating desire for me to have a company was so that I could spend my days [ __ ] around with my closest friends who are in my age group doing things together with them and building things with them rather than working
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under some [ __ ] 30-year-old Indian manager who I'm never going to have a single thing in common with. Like the socializing is is I would say the single most core part of human experience and and the thing that took it away from us
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is uh social media and and and and co. I would say AI has honestly I would say AI has zero to no factor in in in contributing to to male loneliness. if if if if there's or or or just just just
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loneliness as a society. I think everything can be traced back to or at least the 8020 of all of this can be traced back to co and social media. But I do think it's it's probably that is probably one of the biggest problems of
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our generation. That's an interesting take. I what to ask in the ways that some people claim that AI is leading to loneliness. Uh there are guys right now paying $20 a month for some type of AI girlfriend app, talking to it every day, telling it
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things that they've never told a real person. Many of these apps print, they make a lot of money, have millions of users, but why do you think men are turning to AI girlfriends in 2026?
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I'll say these apps print. One of the biggest ones is Character AI. you know, in in in record time, they shattered through $100 million of annual revenue run rate. If you look at the actual, you know, like the actual world and and $100
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million of paid users sounds like a lot of users. You look at the actual world, you know, Facebook makes $54 billion a year. It's it's it's it's completely like like AI girlfriends and and AI companions. It might seem like a big
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thing in the media, but it really is completely dwarfed by the the the presence of social media. But to to to answer your actual question, why are men turning to AI girlfriends? I mean, what is it? 50% of men from 18 to 30 haven't
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had sex in the last year. Uh, and how are you supposed to have sex when you are, how are you supposed to talk to a girl when all you know how to do is [ __ ] look down at your phone and not
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talk to anybody all day? The if you go a modern college campus now looks so different than it did 10 years ago, 10, 20 years ago. You look at videos of colleges in high school from like [ __ ] 19 19 like the 1900s, like
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2000s, pe people are talking. People are communicating with each other. You go to college right now, you walk around, people are glued to their phones.
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They're not talking to each other. and and the rate that they are talking to each other is just infinitely smaller.
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There's really no way to meet people um outside of like dating apps now. I I I believe now now it's like dating apps are the most common common way to way way people meet their partners right now. Uh and you know there's a million
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problems with dating apps that but but the the most primary problem is this is not how humans are meant to interact with each other.
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And uh what problem were you thinking about? I mean, of course, it's like, you know, if all you can do is look at a picture of someone, then all you're going to be attracted to is their physical features.
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And this is why in incels and like like looks maxing and the black pill is so huge is just like if I'm a girl, believe me, if I was a girl, I would only be swiping on [ __ ] 6'4, 200 lb [ __ ]
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quarterbacks cuz like those would be the guys sending me likes. So, you know, like like the like what what is it 20% of, you know, like like the there there's there's there's some crazy statistics like 10% of guys receive like
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90% of the likes or something like the brutal high cut offs. Uh, I think dating apps are, you know, like this is just not how reality was. The reality of the world was that when you were back in the
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village, you know, like and you were some [ __ ] five foot six lumberjack, you know, like like the prettiest girl in the village would have just like thought, you know, like [ __ ] it. I like I like this guy is better than the other
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[ __ ] four dopes in my high school class. So, I'm I'm I'm I'm going to get with this guy, you know? There's there's like a relatively uh consistent pair-wise bonding of of of of mates. You know, like a girl and a guy would get
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together because they were the one of only 10 girls and guys in their village at the time. And now it's just like, you know, like social media has made has extreified and exaggerated everything.
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And now girls are walking around with [ __ ] double fcuffs because they think that's that's that's what the guys want.
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And guys are walking around, you know, like spending all their money's on on on luxury cars in the LAR because that's what they think girls want. And you know, girls are getting flown out by basketball players. Guys just think
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every every single guy around them is some 6'4 Chad and they're demotivated. They don't want to talk to girls. In almost every single way, social media has made it harder and, you know, like has made people less willing to go out
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and talk to someone. If I was living in the [ __ ] 1950s and I knew the only people I had to compete with if I wanted the popular girl was the [ __ ] quarterback, then I'd feel pretty good.
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If I knew I was competing with goddamn Shaquille O'Neal, then you know, like maybe maybe I'd throw in the towel.
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Maybe I'd hit up character ad. Maybe I'd start up an AI girlfriend, too. Do you think an AI girlfriend is better than no girlfriend?
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That's an interesting question. Honestly, it is this is this is probably a very unpopular opinion, but I'd say probably yes. Only because I believe that AI is here to stay, not going anywhere. And the hope is that, you know, like like
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the the reality, the present day is bleak. These guys who don't have girlfriends right now, it's not like they're magically going to watch some [ __ ] motivational speech tomorrow and just go randomly find a find find a nice
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girl and settle down with her. at this point, you know, like like their lives are going one direction and people just don't have this this willingness to change that much. So, realistically, a lot of these people who are virgins and
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don't have sex right now are just going to continue to be virgins, not have sex in the future, and you know, like saying, "Ah, just don't don't get the AI girlfriend. Just keep approaching women." Like, this advice is just not
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going to work on them when you've been [ __ ] like trapped in your parents house. You've been in need for the last 10 years, haven't [ __ ] kissed kissed a girl your entire life. Like, you're not going to listen to that. And
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suddenly, you know, oh, I guess today's the day I'm going to go up and talk to a girl. Like, that's just not how the world works. And obviously the the AI girlfriends of today are bleak. But my hope for the future is that you know one
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day uh AI gets good enough that and and hopefully it only gets good enough to the point that it can coexist with humans and maybe the AI girlfriend can provide uh uh a perfect level of companionship. May maybe all the AI girlfriend does May may
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maybe a much smarter better AI girlfriend. My my hope is that that that AI girlfriend tells the guy, "Here's people like you that that that that want to meet you. You know, like here's an event in the area. You should you should
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go meet them." And may maybe encourage them to socialize. Or maybe it just replaces the the human function of of of of socializing entirely. But in the complete present day, is it better for some guy, some 30-year-old who's never held a girl's hand to have
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an AI girlfriend over a real life physical girlfriend? I would say honestly, even in that case, probably yes. That guy is not going to get better. and to restrict him of a joy uh when you know he's not going to get
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better. I think that that that honestly is just more cruel than you know letting him have the the the small pleasure that he might derive from the girlfriend.
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Yeah, that's interesting. It's kind of like would you rather have someone be in like a relationship with an extremely evil human or like no human at all? It's like there there's an argument for isolation being worse than like some
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level of connection. But uh I wanted to ask if you had 24 hours to use an unrestricted version of Fable, no safety filters, unlimited credits, what would you do with it?
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I'll be completely honest. I think the safety team at Anthropic is doing a good job. I I don't really hit the safety limits as often as I hear some people online do. In reality, like we're not really developing biotools. I would say
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try and develop a cure for cancer and I would let it run indefinitely and I would say do not stop until you do and I would see what it comes up with. But in reality in my day-to-day, I mean like
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I'm I'm I'm I'm a software founder. I code software. This is kind of what Fable is built for. And it's not like I'm I'm I'm coding malware. So, uh it's I I really don't run into safety issues like this at all. If I was a
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particularly dangerous individual, then I'm sure I'd have a lot more to say, but you know, I'm not What could you do if you were a dangerous individual? because the US government banned Fable when it initially came out for I think it was 2
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3 weeks and then they re-released it. You talked about bioweapons earlier and like developing bombs that kind of thing but why like what's the difference in this model that makes it dangerous?
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I mean the the pure difference is the is like the the really the only difference is the intelligence and that that that that sort of is the uh overwhelming difference between every single model um which is more capable than the other.
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And right now it just, you know, for some arbitrary reason, I think, and in my opinion, arbitrary, the US government decided that Fable was dangerous enough that if hijacked, you could probably just tell it like slash goal, uh, figure
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out how it can do the most damage to America, the United States of America, and it would come up with, you know, 10 very solid plans to to, you know, like like do nuclear bomb level threats on America. Um, and I I have no doubt that
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Fable is capable of doing that without hallucinating because it's just more competent than the models that came before it. But I suspect that if you just had complete safety off and you had a version of you know chatpt 5.5 like I
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I wouldn't tell you what the exact cut off is for for for a model to be able to to do that with with like um and and and propose solutions with with with with any degree of success but I mean fable
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for sure could do it for sure unrestrict fable/goal eliminate the Chinese from the world like you know Ja Chan China that's interesting uh do you AI companies benefit when there's sentiment online saying AI is going to kill us all.
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For sure. There are AI companies that benefit. Definitely not all of them. But, you know, you have people marching outside OpenAI's door saying, you know, stop AI development right now, this instant. And that's one less engineer that's working on developing the model
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that's going to kill every other application layer company. So, for these application layer companies, like they love it. You know, they they they might get a few eggs thrown at them in public, but you know, like the grand scheme, who
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cares? like it's uh one extra day of revenue of of of waiting before the models swallow up your swallow up your product is like you know for a lot of these companies millions of dollars. So so all all the more power to them and
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I'm I'm sure they love it. I'm sure the the the Chinese companies building AI tools are having the time of their lives hearing about the protests happening outside the open AI office. really the only people that don't stand to benefit
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from this mass public disinterest in AI. Um or or the people that that that that that are hurt by this the most are just like the leading AI providers and and in particular I would say open AI because
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that's chatbt is really the thing that people know. Do you think they're hurt by it though or like I would think that there might be an argument for it helping like imagine for example you said to me Jack
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Clo is going to be the platform that kills the world. It's like that would be the one I'd probably invest in. You know what I mean?
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For sure. Yeah. Have you thought about that argument that maybe that sentiment itself is a scop?
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Yeah, I mean there there's a lot of speculation online that maybe Anthropic had planted the the the whole government banning of Fable and you know like like just to pump up the valuation. Uh you know like one day I'll I'll be high
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enough high high up enough to to tell you definitively or maybe I just won't speak to you at all. But you know like like may like maybe one day I'll I'll I I'll know. But in all honesty I don't
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know. And and I really think in in a lot of this like a lot of this stuff going on is I I think a lot of the obvious stuff is definitely premeditated, but a lot of this stuff, you know, like people
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just have no control over and and people don't don't really know what's going on.
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It's just whatever, you know, whatever DJT feels like doing today is the the the the top trending story of the news and the public sentiment of the day. And so Roy, you've built a hund00 million AI company Valuda and are on the front
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lines of ever advancing AI. Other founders, CEOs, investors in your space, particularly billionaires like Zuckerberg, Altman, Teal are allegedly building bunkers in secret. Why do you think AI billionaires are building bunkers?
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I think, you know, th this is really like the most likely doomsday scenario for AI uh ending or causing human extinction is that, you know, someone figures out how to develop weapons of mass destruction and that person is not,
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you know, like a like a national government who can be trusted with that sort of thing. If if there is if there is a national government who can be trusted with that sort of thing and they're just going to, you know, like
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you're going to have nukes in the backyard of some [ __ ] Iranian crazy [ __ ] Afghani terrorist and you know, it's GG GG world. So in in that case, like of course and all it takes is for
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one one persistent [ __ ] to to jailbreak something like Fable and and have the persistence to actually go out and and and and the resources to develop something like that. And in that case really it is GG. Um are you building a
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bunker? No, not not not at the moment. I think um yeah, it's just like if if I got to worry about the the [ __ ] zombie apocalypse when like like everyone's walking around like goddamn radiation pill, like I'd rather just die, bro.
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It's a fair take. Uh, you went from being a broke kid living in your parents house, uh, made your first dollar last year and now I've been in rooms with A16Z partners, LP summits in Vegas, billionaire group chats. Is
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that right? Sure. What's one behavior that every billionaire you've met has in common? I really think a lot of these people, especially nowadays, are are much more normal than you would think. Um, and I I really think there are so many
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paths to Rome, in this case, Rome being becoming a a billionaire personally, that there just is no no playbook for this sort of thing. You could become a billionaire, you know, by like starting your own crypto thing and and c like uh pro
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probably not actually starting your own cryptocurrency, but but you you you could have had a few lucky wins in the stock market and and and just been some sort of Warren Buffett type billionaire.
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In that case, like you really wouldn't have needed to do anything. You wouldn't really have even needed to start a company on your own or have have learned that particular skill. You could have just been a very smart and intelligent
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investor. You could be a billionaire by starting an AI AI research lab of your own. In that case, you would need a completely different set of skills. I mean, of the people that I've met, I I I'd say most most most of the
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billionaires that I've met are are on the on the younger side and they are like almost all AI billionaires and I would say for all of them, um, it it's shocking how how how normal they are.
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And it it makes sense too because these AI company the valuations of these AI companies have skyrocketed like we've never ever seen in history. And these billionaires are being minted within you know like years of their companies companies forming like within 5 years of
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starting their company out of their dorm room. You know it's like billionaires are being minted out of thin air. And I would say for these people, the conversations I've had with them, they genuinely just seem like your normal
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college senior at, you know, like like they probably a cut of intelligence above them. But, you know, like they're they're wearing the same t-shirt. It's it's not like some [ __ ] secret $500 no brand t-shirt. It's genuinely some
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uniquely t-shirt. They're they're they're not shaving. They clearly woke up. They got [ __ ] jewel in their mouths. They're talking about hoes and you know, like it's like it's just at the end of the day some some 24y old
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kid. Hm. That's fascinating. And you don't notice I guess that would be the claim that the one behavior is just actually doing [ __ ] Yeah. I mean, of course, you don't you don't you don't get to be a
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billionaire by sitting on your ass. But I would say there's so much money flowing in this world right now that if you pick the right space, you're a competent individual, you pick you pick the right field in AI, you pick the right job, you
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pick the right company to build, uh you could literally wake up, you know, in 3 months to a $400 million contract from one of these research labs that just, you know, king makes you and just just just just billion billionaire makes you
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out of nowhere and really all you did was, you know, be clever about where you shot at, what you did. And um it there's just so much movement of money in the world in AI right now that all you have
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to do is get pretty lucky. And perhaps this has been the case since you know like like for for the entirety of the world that all you ever had to do was just pick the right field and get lucky.
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But I feel like this is true now more so than ever. And the timelines have been so compressed. Just doesn't take seven years of uh you know like grueling pain to become a billionaire. You know like if you're really lucky it might take
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[ __ ] eight months. You were talking earlier about this idea that we'd be plugged into a simulation of sorts or and a lot of people talk about this like idea of the matrix and how neural link links with AI uh this kind of thing. Do
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you believe we're currently in a simulation and do you think we'll soon be in one if we're not already?
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This is probably one of those crazy opinions that I have. My my current understanding of the world is that the way that things have gone for me in my life are so strange and so fortunate for me to be in the position that I am that
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I probably think I'm in some sort of game like the game Roy from Rick and Morty where I actually am the main character of some show that some alien is watching where he has just decided to spawn into my life all these blessings.
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It's shocking to me if I step back and think about it. Why am I even how am I possibly in America when all the odds say I should be some [ __ ] rural farmer in the in the rice villages of
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China? How am I possibly, you know, like how do I possibly have the intelligence that I have? Uh considering that that the the the the regular expectation is that I'm some [ __ ] farmer in Kansas.
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How do I possibly have the uh ability to, you know, like build companies and how is it even [ __ ] work? Like like how's it possible that my competition is this is is is this weak in the modern
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era? How is it possible that I'm just able to spawn in all these views on social media? I feel like the way that my events the the events in my life have turned out have just convinced me that I
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am built for greatness. And um I'm not just built for greatness, but I'm built to be like the human of all humans. And you know, like this definitely sounds like I have a god complex. And I'm I'm going admit it. I do. This is this is an
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understanding of a world that I've had since I was probably in the third grade that I probably am the only real existing human or at the very least you know you know like I I I am the main
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character of some show that some anime character is watching some alien is watching and it is my duty to give them the most entertaining show. Uh and if I were to be a bum then it would just be
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you know like what's the point? This is all just a game anyways. So yeah, I do I do believe I'm in a simulation.
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I wrote this down for you and I cannot believe I'm even asking this question but I it's a fair question. Do you think an AI god went back in time and chose you to be the person to bring it back
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into existence? I don't think that's the case. You think it's the case for anyone alive today?
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If there was an argument to be made for anyone, it'd be the big bro Elon Musk.
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But I mean, I don't really think that the simulation that I am in right now was generated by that of some AI god. I I I just don't view it in that way. I think if you were to view uh you know
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like the end state of true recursive super intelligence, the most bullcase of AI as being a consciousness like comparable to you know like the Christian God. I just don't think anybody would do that. Um I I I I I
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don't think people consider things like that. And for me the simulation that I consider myself to be in is uh created by an entity similar to that of like a religious deity. Um, I I feel like this is getting this is
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getting nuanced and uh just just falling into a a semantic thing, but I I I will say no. I don't I don't think the sole purpose of my existence is to further the development of AI. For that reason
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alone, I will say no. Do you think AI is more woripped now than the Christian God?
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Woripped? I don't know if people are worshiping AI. I think there's people who uh I guess if we define worship as actions oriented around number of times thought about throughout the day level of importance associated with it certainly and in in in in that respect I
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I would say I worship AI more than more than more than any sort of religious deity. I I don't believe in any religion at the moment and the amount of times I think about AI is like almost every
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waking hour of my day like that's all I do at work is I just sit there and prompt prompt models to code and design for me. Um so yes I would say well are there more people like me than there
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are religious devotees? I would say the intensity of AI worshippers by the definition that you've given me is stronger than the intensity of and the intensity and quantity of you know the most fanatic religious devotees. I don't think even
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priests think about God as much as some of these AI people think about AI. And I don't even consider myself like really one of those people like that are hugely engrossed in AI. But you know I think about this every waking hour of the day.
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H that's fascinating. I mean if you consider like the esquetologies of all the religions and the number of people trying to bring about those various esquetologies versus the esquetology of AI which is super intelligence recursive super intelligence specifically like
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there are there definitely seems to be more energy going toward that thing than like I don't know the four horsemen of the apocalypse in the Bible of course. Yeah.
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So that's that's an interesting take. Uh what do you think are the spiritual effects of choosing to be poor?
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I think I'm really not the guy to be talking about spiritualism or religion or, you know, like the the higher order meaning of life. I think for me, I I really structure my life around my biological primal desires. And I think
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this is something that everybody wants to. When you're a kid, the most fun you'll ever have is going outside and playing [ __ ] make believe with your boys and playing in the dirt and, you know, like socializing. And when you're
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a teenager, the only thing you'll ever think about is, you know, like trying to trying to crack the popular girl in your school. And the most fun you'll ever have is going on two minutes with your boys and, you know, like like
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socializing and and looking for sex. And um outside of that, maybe it's like some sort of competition with your w with your boys. I've said this in the last podcast and I've said this in every podcast I've ever been on to date. I
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really think that the core essence of my being and the core meaning behind my existence is really just uh you know to to do the things that primally we're designed to do which is live in these small tight-knit communities, socialize
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uh almost every single hour of your day, work towards competitive goals like hunt hunting hunting hunting big giant animals with with with your tribesmen.
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The equivalent for that for me is working on this difficult company with my closest friends and you know like h have having a girlfriend wife or you know if that falls through you know like a million baby mamas. But I really think
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like I am not someone who is grounded in the pursuit of spiritualism the pursuit of some some religious ideal some some some higher ideal like I I respect the people that are but for me I think life is very simple. We are biological
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creatures. We our our entire brain circuits are designed around core biological uh desires. And I think we should just like the best way to live life, the most fulfilling way to live life is to fulfill those desires in you
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know like as as as close of a way as possible to um that as as as close of a way that we can in the modern day. In reality, I think the most fulfilling existence for me if I were to say like
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my spiritual ideal would be to go back in time in [ __ ] 2000 B.CE CE and live in a tribe with my boys uh in some [ __ ] African village and just dig around and not have ever experienced
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technology or even [ __ ] fire. Um I think that is the most fulfilling experience a human can ever live. And I strive to like my my version of spiritualism is uh trying to model my life to as close as that of the [ __ ]
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caveman who could only [ __ ] blabber and grunt. I think chu ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch
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ch ch ch ch ch ch ch choosing to be poor nowadays and considering my my ground framework for you know like spiritual what spiritualism means to me choosing to be poor is the equivalent of the caveman choosing not to hunt and I would
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say you know that is uh if you're a caveman and you're choosing not to hunt like what happens is you get presumably you got banished from the [ __ ] tribe and and you you you got left to die so
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cuz you're not doing your your core duty if you're choosing to be poor in the modern day if you're choosing not to acquire resources for the betterment of your of your tribe and your close friends and family then you are like
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this is one of the most core biological principles of your life you're failing to do that and I would say you know your existence is uh probably meaningless brutal did the blueprint for what clvicular did with the black pill and like his whole
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marketing thing change how you think about marketing startups I think clvicular was an example of a a modern-day trend in the attention economy that has gone as far that that goes as far back as like Donald J. Trump
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from 2016 and that is in reality the way the social media algorithms work is that the most controversial content goes to the top. That's just how it is. So when you have Donald J. Trump, you know, and and
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people really don't care about the deeper meaning behind things. People really don't care to fact check all of your arguments and see who is the more rational debater. DJT won in 2016 because, you know, like he was the more
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outlandish person. He got on social media and people thought, you know, that that gave him the opportunity, the the the spotlight to to show, you know, even even like a fraction of his rationality.
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And modern day people are so [ __ ] and lazy and stupid that they'll never even think to to to double check any of this to to think about who might be the better leader. You know, it's just like,
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well, I saw this guy and some of what he said resonated with me, so I'm going to vote for him. And the same thing you you see exactly the same thing happening with like Nick Fuentes. reason why his
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his podcast was at one point would have been like the most viewed podcast in the entire world is because he was willing to, you know, like like do the things that were controversial enough that put him on the top of the social media
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algorithms before anybody else. And sure, it might be the case that there is some better thoughtout right-wing philosopher with the exact same ideals, but but but but more is like like better spoken, more uh has even better ideas,
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you know, is better thought out. But the reason Nick Fuentes gets the attention that he does is because he's willing to push the buttons that that that that rises to the top of the social media algorithm. I think the the same is even
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true of myself. Like I was the only one in probably all of tech at the time who was willing to push the buttons that I was out that that that that that I did and it generated me the millions of
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dollars that I'm making right now. Like like this is something my my my whole story uh the the origin of my entire story is when I publicly used social media to bait Columbia University into kicking me out of the school. And this
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is something that I probably think has never been done in the history of humanity. This has never been done. and someone intentionally baits an Ivy League school or any college for that matter to kick them out for the sake of
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marketing a company of theirs. Like this has just never been done. I was the only one in human history who's willing to push that button and capitalism rewarded me as such. And I think the same is true. Donald J. Trump, Nick Fuentes,
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Clvicular, Roy, I think these stories are all the same. Andrew Tate, these stories are all the same. The people who are willing to push the button to get them to the top of the social media algorithm get to reap whatever rewards
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uh you know like attention gives them. And maybe the end reward is just attention. And certainly uh all of us have have gotten that in in in in in generous doses.
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I'm going to test this one with you. If it's if it's not good, we'll just I might skip it. But uh I have a special segment for you. I'm going to give you a situation that someone is in and I want
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you to give me a sentence for what each of them should do. Okay. To be successful in AI or just the world.
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To be successful in the world. Okay. By by by my own metrics. Yeah. Okay. a 45-year-old accountant who just got replaced by AI.
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who just got replaced by AI. I would say you're a a simple sentence, reinvent your life from the ground up by chasing the women that you always wanted to chase and completely do something that upends your life. And when you're in
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this moment of change, of internal transformation, then go look online desperately for ways to make money online with AI. Build an AI app that is based around your life experiences that you have and try and market it with
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organic marketing. That that that is a lot of stuff. I I feel like a sentence is not sufficient for what I would tell this guy. In reality, what I would tell this guy is you are in a period of life
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where your past 23 years of experience has has surmountized to literally nothing. And at this point, what you need is you need to instead of being [ __ ] depressed, you need to find a win. You need to find something that
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makes you happy. Something that may make makes you feel like you've accomplished something. And in reality, if I asked any single 45-year-old, I know that the thing that they would say their guilty pleasure, the thing that they've always
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wanted to do but weren't able to do is bang some 18-year-olds. So, go [ __ ] try and do that. And and once you do that, once you're in that period of change, period of like, you know, like,
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[ __ ] I just did something crazy that I've always wanted to do. That will genuinely give you, you know, like like the motivation, the drive, the confidence to be like, you know, maybe this new life won't be so bad after all.
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Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that I got to be replaced by AI. And in that state, that's when you'll be the most motivated, the most driven, the most focused, and most able to do the best work of your life. So, go out there and
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do the best work of your life. Well, that's AI starting a plumbing construction company. I wouldn't even recommend AI to be the place that anybody goes. I don't know his exact life circumstances. If it turns out that this guy is the [ __ ] goat at plumbing
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and knows 14 people with with with broken toilets, go be the [ __ ] best plumber you can be. Just instill some change and look for look for an early win.
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I love that. I I think we'll just skip the other people. I think that advice applies to all them. I want to give you the chance to reframe that idea a little differently but sure, and you might have a different take on
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this, but what do you think is the harshest truth men learn in life way too late?
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Life really is that simple. I think people spend all their life chasing games that were designed by other people, invented by other people, when in reality, all you ever wanted to do in life was exactly what you wanted
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to do as a kid, which is go outside, play with your friends, and run some two mans with your voice. Got it.
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Uh, at the end of every podcast, I ask people what the best piece of advice they've ever received was. I'll change it for you a bit, Roy. How do you get so unbelievably ahead in life that everyone wants to
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have kids with you, everyone wants to be you, and your name is the last name uttered in all of human history?
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Yeah, I'll tell you how I hope to do this because I haven't done this yet, but I think you've accurately described the life that I hope to achieve.
Speaker A
I think in the era that we're in, in the society that we're in, it is clear that, you know, capital is sort of the equivalent to power, influence, and fame. If you want to achieve anything, you need the most amount of capital. So,
Speaker A
I will accumulate the most amount of capital that I'll accumulate more capital than anybody else. And I will do that by figuring out the skills that I have that are five, six, seven standard deviations above the mean. Right now, I
Speaker A
believe that skill is in getting attention on social media. uh and I believe that this is a skill that no other businessman and no no other founder in the modern era who is striving to make as much money as I am
Speaker A
also has. So I will build businesses revolving around this skill that I am uniquely good at. And I will consistently try to build businesses in the biggest opportunities that I think are possible. I will not settle for a
Speaker A
business that will only generate me $10 million of profit in a year because I don't think that's enough to be the most capital accumulated man in the world.
Speaker A
And once I've reached a certain terminal velocity of capital, I'm going to then use that capital to pursue not just the biggest markets for my unique superpower, my my my unique abilities, I'm going to pursue the biggest markets
Speaker A
in the world. Right now, I think anybody can look at the look at the world and realize that the biggest opportunities in AI, but I don't have that terminal velocity of capital yet. So from now on, what I'm going to do, I'm going to build
Speaker A
these businesses around the power and abilities that I've developed. These businesses will then generate me enough capital to reach terminal velocity at which point I will then further use that capital to invest in companies and build companies that are in the biggest
Speaker A
markets in the world. Once I've done that and reached the pinpoint of capital, you know, like like the the the world's richest man, the the the the what whatever moniker is given for the man was one the game of society, which
Speaker A
is, you know, capitalism, then I think I will have done it. and the measures that I have taken to get to the top and the way that I've gotten to the top surely will be enough of a story
Speaker A
for people to uh remember me in history. The challenge itself is uh worthy of a lifetime and will certainly take a lifetime. And to get to that pinnacle, I think you will have needed to have lived a life worth everyone talking
Speaker A
about. And if you were speaking to the 80-year-old version of yourself, maybe the one that has accomplished all the things that you just described, what do you suspect he would warn you about right now when you're still chasing more?
Speaker A
In my pursuit of truth and life optimization, I've certainly made many mistakes in life. I've probably taken I've done at this point three or four surgical cosmetic surgeries to improve the way that I look. I spent tens of
Speaker A
thousands of dollars on on clothes and I've burned almost all the money that I've had on trying to do things that would improve my life. I've taken almost every drug under the sun. Maybe not every drug under the sun, but I've taken
Speaker A
a significant amount of drugs that have almost certainly had permanent have affected and permanent health damage to me. I've done all this for the sake of improving my life and you know reaching the top. I am hyper competitive and I
Speaker A
will do what it takes even if it means sacrificing 45 years of my life to do it. I'm completely happy and content to die at 30 years old. Uh knowing that I have done the most that I could have in
Speaker A
my life than to die at 80 years old happy and you know surrounded by a family and kids. Uh I really think that I will do whatever it takes to win. And I think in this journey if I hit the age
Speaker A
of 80 which I don't even know if I will. If I hit that age, almost certainly I will have made a very very big mistake in this uh pursuit of asymmetric upside in this pursuit of things uh that other
Speaker A
people are unwilling to do, risks that I'm uniquely willing to take because I'm just more competitive and want to win more than other people. There almost be something that I done that result in permanent damage that I will just regret
Speaker A
more than I will have wanted to win. And I think I really don't know what that is yet, but I'm certain the 80-year-old me would know exactly what it is. And maybe he's sitting there and his kidneys are
Speaker A
dying because he took one too many steroids. Maybe he's sitting there and his [ __ ] you know, you know, like like may may red tide is not all that the all all that it's cracked out to be
Speaker A
and this guy's [ __ ] sitting there and his pee is pee is green. Whatever it is, I'm sure he has he'll have something good to say to me. And for now, I really don't think though that the warning
Speaker A
means much. I'm at the most ambitious, most competitive point of my life. And I I really will do whatever it takes to to to see the top of whatever ladder I'm climbing right now.
Speaker A
Have you talked too much about your steroid usage? Uh I've I've I've talked pretty publicly about, you know, like different drugs that I've taken.
Speaker A
What's the most interesting drug you've taken that you haven't talked about? The most interesting drug that I taken?
Speaker A
I will say the the drug with the most significant effects on me was definitely Redat True Tide. Uh, it's a pretty common drug though, but I've experimented with I've experimented with testosterone. I've experimented with anavar winstrol kambut clenbuterol.
Speaker A
I've tried I've tried all sorts of different things. I've been on completely vegan diets. I've been on carnivore diets. I've been Have you done inseam?
Speaker A
Inseam? No, I haven't. Like the patch? I I haven't. I haven't. I I don't smoke because I think smoking is smoking is gay. But but outside of that, I'm And well, ultimately smoking does there's no asymmetric upside to smoking. There's no
Speaker A
positive significantly positive outcome, but you know, significantly positive positive outcome will one one one cycle of roids might just be, you know, you [ __ ] have the have your complete dream physique and and and the positive health benefits of all the muscle
Speaker A
completely outweigh the negative consequences of the steroids and you would never know unless you took it. Um, and and it's it's it's it's things like this that I'm just willing to do that other people are not willing to do. When
Speaker A
I got my second paycheck, I gave my first paycheck to my mom, but when I got my second paycheck, I spent the entire thing on fake clothes from China. And to this day, I I I just uh am very willing
Speaker A
to take financial, physical, any sort of risk at all. Uh if it means getting closer to the path to ascension. And even now, I know that there's mistakes that I've made. Uh I I've taken risks that just didn't pan out. And I'm
Speaker A
certain that by the time I'm 80, I will have made at least one big risk that will result in something that really seriously changes the trajectory of my life. Even knowing that knowing that this this like that that that this path
Speaker A
of constant coin flipping is going to end in some sort of demise. I won't stop because uh what if it all goes right?
Speaker A
Beautiful. Well, everyone uh this has been your guest Roy Lee. This is the Jack Neil podcast. I appreciate you coming on. Where can people find you?
Speaker A
Uh on Instagram or Twitter, both I'm Roy Lee. Perfect. And what's your company website?
Speaker A
Cluey.com. Awesome. See you guys. Thank you.
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