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Do you have a messenger that translated the Bible for you? You don't have to be a messenger to translate language.
A face-to-face debate on Quran morality, Hadith rejection, and interpretations of Islamic scripture with a Quran-only Muslim.
Key Takeaways
- Quran-only Muslims reject Hadith as non-authoritative and rely solely on the Quran for guidance.
- There is a significant debate on the morality of Quranic teachings and Muhammad's actions.
- Interpretation of Quranic verses, especially regarding Jizya and fighting non-believers, varies widely.
- The Quran contains verses advocating no compulsion in religion, which is emphasized by Quran-only believers.
- Contextual understanding of Quranic chapters is crucial for interpreting Islamic doctrine.
What the video covers
- The discussion centers on the legitimacy of Hadith versus Quran-only belief in Islam.
- The Muslim participant, Navidid Farzan, identifies as a submitter to God and rejects Hadith as unreliable.
- The debate covers the morality of Muhammad and the Quran, focusing on controversial topics like child marriage and treatment of non-believers.
- The concept of Jizya (tax on non-Muslims) and its interpretation as reparations is debated.
- The Quranic verses, especially chapter 9, are analyzed for their context regarding fighting non-believers and people of the book.
- The Muslim participant argues the Quran promotes freedom of religion and no compulsion in belief.
- The Christian apologist challenges the consistency and morality of Quranic teachings.
- The discussion highlights differences in Islamic sects, particularly Sunni and Shia reliance on Hadith.
- The debate touches on historical treaties between Muhammad and Jews/Christians and their violations.
- The video concludes with unresolved points on Quranic interpretation and the nature of Islamic doctrine.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Bible Translation Discussion
- 00:55Opening Statement by Quran-Only Muslim
- 02:11Debate on Muhammad's Morality and Hadith
- 03:42Discussion on Quran's Morality and Freedom of Religion
- 04:51Analysis of Quran Chapter 9 Verses
- 05:54Contextual Debate on Jizya and Treaties
- 07:05Further Quranic Interpretation and Sect Differences
- 08:52Closing Arguments and Summary
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You don't? No. There's 55,000 denominations of Christianity. How do you know yours is the right one?
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You're bringing up points against Christianity that you're falling into with the Quran. The root of Jizia comes from reparations. It comes back to what damage you've caused; you have to bring back.
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The only damage they cause is by their disbelief. Did Christians and Jews violate their treaties? What Christian made a treaty with Muhammad? You tell me.
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Thank you. None of them. Nobody. Were you there? Now it's now what was I there now?
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So now you're a Quran alone, right? I am a Quran alone. Show me where the Christian made a treaty with Muhammad.
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No need to. You're Jews and Christians that violated the peace treaties have to pay Jization.
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Like a gang coming to a shop and saying, "Hey, it'd be a real shame if you didn't have any protection around here." All right, so we're going to move on to the next prompt here. Muhammad's morals prove he was not a prophet. I'm going to
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let Logic give his opening statement on this one. Yes. What? What? I'm a submitter. I'm a submitter to God.
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I'm a Quran. Quran only. Only. Okay. Okay. Well, so um this will be a different discussion then.
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That's right. Um you follow Quran alone. You don't follow hadith at all? Hadith. So Okay. Or com like taps or commentary?
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No, they've been kept none of that. All right. Got you. So normally um we would point to like the entire Islamic scope uh dealing with Sunnis and Shia about what Muhammad has done. Just for the audience to get context of this,
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there's authentic hadith in Bukhari and Sahih Muslim um in Sun Abu Dawud that talks about his marriage with Aisha at nine years old um and saying that God showed him Aisha in a dream and he interpreted that to say that okay yeah um uh she's
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going to be mine I'm going to marry her. So he marries her at 6, then consummates the marriage at 9. Obviously, that's immoral, sleeping with a child. Um, there's a lot of different things in the hadith that talk about what Muhammad
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does or teaches that show his character. Um, but your Quran alone, you reject Hadith. So, I wouldn't even use these against you. I'm not going to hold you to this. I guess we can, I guess, talk about the morality of the Quran itself
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and Allah itself. I think that'll be more um more uh relevant. Start with me.
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Yeah. So, so, okay. So, I guess I would say then that um instead of saying that Muhammad is immoral, then I would say that the Quran itself teaches immoral things.
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Sure. Um I think that uh the Quran deals with a lot of things in regards to uh um like non-believers and how it deal how it tells you to deal with non-believers.
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Um, it imposes Islam is a is a religion that imposes itself upon others. Um, and we can get into a couple examples, but I would like to hear your thoughts on the morality of the Quran.
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Yeah, sure. My name is Navidid Farzan. I'm a submitter. I worship God alone. I believe in the Quran alone. I reject Hadith. Hadith is from Satan. I believe the Quran is only the final testament, the last proven word of God is the
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Quran. I believe the Quran is absolutely moral. It guides us to the best morality provided to all of humanity. Um, you know, you cited the hadith. Hadith says Muhammad went to the moon on a some kind of donkey animal, right? Muhammad said
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or I'm sorry, went to the heavens to the heavens on the donkey, the Buraq and then separate from that I I split I mixed the two where it says he split the moon with a sword. So I don't consider
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hadith a reliable source of Allah. I believe the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed. It has everything we need for the religion, for the guidance, and for the truth. Mhm.
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Um and I rely on the Quran and I believe in relation to what you just said, I believe the Quran provides absolute freedom of religion. I believe that the Quran says there shall be no compulsion in religion. Shall we uh force people to
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become believers? There's many examples of this. There's even discussions with the disbelievers. There's even in chapter 9 for example, it talks about giving uh after the famous what's known as the sword of the verse in chapter 9:6 the following verse which is often
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omitted. It says that if a polytheist comes around you and seeks refuge, you give him the place of uh safety, let him hear the message of God, the word of God, and then return him to his place of
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safety. So I don't see this depiction of what you're giving. I understand within the Sunni context, if you're looking at it through the lens of hadith, you can get this concept in the Quran. But if you look at the Quran and you look at
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the concept within the Quran, I don't see what you what you're describing. Yeah. So um according to the Quran, if you go to like chapter 9 is where usually people like to go to. Um in chapter 9 verse 29, it deals with
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it turns its attention to the people of the book. Okay. Right. At first it's dealing with the pagans. And does it though?
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Yes. Where does it say people of the book in that verse? In chapter 9:29 it says it doesn't say people of the book.
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It does. It says fight those who do not believe in Allah nor the last day. Yada yada yada.
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That's a polytheist, right? No. Who's the people of the book in this verse? Go ahead and read it. Go ahead. Go You shall fight back against those who do not.
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Verse 29. That is verse 29 in my translation. Oh. Oh, it doesn't say fight back.
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The context is fight back. Cuz if you look at it is cuz if you look at verse 13, would you not fight uh people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who
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started the war in the first place. It's not about the Jews and the Christians.
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That is talk about Jews and Christians. Show me all those Jews and Christians. All right. Read read the verse for me, brother. We shall fight back against those who do not believe in God, nor in the last day, nor do they prohibit what
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God and his messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth among those who receive the scripture until they pay the due tax willingly or unwillingly. Jizia willingly or unwillingly. All right? So people people who've been given the
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scripture that's Jews and Christians, right? Jizia is a war reparation in the Quran. If you look at all references, we'll get there in a second. We'll get there in a second. Just we I want to establish that 9:29 is about the Jews and
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Christians. I believe it includes Jews and Christians. Sure. Okay. So notice how it's specified amongst those who were given the book or amongst the people of the book, right?
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Sure. And the context is there are the oppressors. No, it's not. They banded with the Show me. Okay.
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Demonstrate that. Look, prior to this, the people of the book are not mentioned, but the pagan Arabs is what it's dealing with in the in verse from verse one all the way to 28. It's dealing with the pagan Arabs
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that we're Okay. So, I understand what you're trying to get from this. You're trying to say the context is Muhammad's done with the pagan Arabs. Now he's turning to the Jews and Christians. Correct. You got to obey me otherwise you got to pay
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the tax. Right. That's the context you create. Correct. But that's not what reparation that's not what uh Jizia means. Jizia comes from No. The root of Jizia comes from reparations. Comes back to what damage you've caused you have to bring back.
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The only damage the only damage that they cause is by their disbelief. There's freedom of religion in the Quran.
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Not not here. It says, look, it says, "Fight those who do not believe." Verse six, same chapter, not six, brother.
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You have to look at the context. You don't understand this chapter. We have to look at it in context.
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I look listen, I'm all about context, okay? I'm not citing a verse out of context.
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So, what is this chapter's context about? I'm telling you, verses 1 to 28 i
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had a uh what's it called? A treaty or something like that, right? They had a treaty. Okay. And then it talks about how um uh if they break their treaty, fight them, right? Fight them back, right? And then if they seek repentance,
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give them repentance, right? That's what 1-28 is talking about. We have a difference on the word Jizia.
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I understand it as war reparations. You saying you don't I'm not I'm not hooked on Jizia just yet.
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Then what else is there on the I'm hooked on how it slaughter them, right?
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Yes. It's fight them uh those who disbelieve among the people. This is fighting back.
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No, it's not. Okay. Where does the Jew where do the Jews and Christians attack Muhammad?
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I think the context I think the context of this verse is talking about people that are attacking. If you look at verse 32, it says they want to put out God's light with their mouths, but God who insists the Jews and Christians.
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Yes. So look, 20 29 and forward talking about the Jews and Christians. Okay. I think there's a split where it talks about uh another group as well like the pagans again but from 29 30 31 32 it's talking about the Jews and the
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Christians. But there's the issue here. You're looking at these verses in the context of hadith. I'm looking at these verses in the context of the Quran.
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I'm not speaking about hadith. So do you accept the general law of the Quran is freedom of religion?
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No. Okay. So this is this is example. The first chapter revealed in Medina is chapter 2. It says there shall be no compulsion of religion.
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And this was and that was abregated by chapter 9. There is no ablation in the Quran.
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There's no abationation. No abrogation in the Quran. The Quran literally says that they substitute.
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There's not where to say that chapter miracle ayah means miracle. Singular means miracle. Chapter 2 verse 106.
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Right. It says singular is miracle not ayah. There's no concept of a verse being replaced. In fact, the word verse ayah is never used singular in the Quran to itself in that way.
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Rather, it literally says that we do not cause a verse. Yes. It says we do not cause something to be forgotten or or something unless we replace it with something better or like it was talking about the verses.
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Verses are equal to each other. How can one verse be better than the verses are the word of God? That's my point. That's the inconsistency of the Quran.
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The inconsistency is within your framework of that of that verse. You have a false understanding. You have a false translation of that verse.
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I I hear what you're saying. Look, you have the presupposition that the Quran already makes sense. It's already consistent. It is consistent. I know that's what you're starting off with.
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I'm not starting off coming there. I'm looking at it from the out. Should we back up more then? Just listen to that. Hear me out.
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Sure. That that'll be on the Quran contradiction part. But on this part, look, I'm saying that I don't I'm not coming in here with the presupposition that the Quran is already true and it already makes sense and is consistent. I'm looking at from
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an objective standpoint. If it makes sense, it makes sense. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Okay. So, what we've seen here is that the Quran uses ayah. Even the Quran itself, it says the Quran is a sign. It's a miracle, right? The whole
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revelation, right? Which includes the verses, right? Yes. But there's no concept of a single verse being better than a single verse.
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That's what the Quran says. Doesn't. Let me let me read the correct translation of that verse for you. I think it is that Khalifa.
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Yes. 21106. Who's an authorized messenger of God? Malachi 31 and 381 Quran. Yes, sir. Who's in 381?
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That's who's in 381. 381. 381. That's up to That's up to you, man. Who? I would think it's Muhammad. It's not Muhammad. You're right. It's not Muhammad.
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A messenger comes afterwards to confirm the scripture after the after who? After all the prophets, okay?
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Including Muhammad which affirms the messenger of the covenant that came after gave us the translation of where would I be? I mean, you're going to be debating all these Muslims and have all these different translations of the Quran. There's no consistency. Correct.
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Which version of the Quran? Which translation of the Quran? Correct. They're stuck. Not as bad as someone that's relying on the Bible, but they're still It's worse cuz the Bible's consistent.
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You know, you know what is the Bible? But look, you have three layers with the Bible.
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Original text. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Translation and interpretation. Hold on. You have the same thing.
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As a non-denominational, you fail on all three. Same thing with the Quran. No, we don't.
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You have original text. You have interpretation, right? And then what was the third one you said?
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Translation that interpret. Okay. You have that with the Quran? I don't have that. What is Khalifa? You said it's a translation.
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He's an authorized messenger of God for Is he translating? He's giving the correct meaning of the Quran. Yes. So he's translating the correct meaning of the original text, right? As an authorized messenger, you have the same.
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Who do you have a messenger that translated the Bible for you? We don't need No, we don't need You don't have to be a messenger to translate language.
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You don't? No. So how do all the There's 55,000 denominations of Christianity. How do you know yours is the right one?
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Do you have a denomination for? First of all, dealing with dealing with denominations is a is a complete relation.
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Let's back up. How do you know? Hold on. Let me respond to what you're saying. Go ahead.
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Okay. You're bringing up points against Christianity that you're falling into with the Quran. You have many versions of the Quran. You have interpretations of the Quran. You have sectar sex uh sex within Islam.
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No, it's not soft because you have Sunnis and Shia. You haven't claimed that. Okay. You said it's fine. So you have Hold on. What you have is you have a you have now a version of the Quran that comes from who? Someone you claim
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to be a messenger with a proven miracle. Is he a prophet too? No. Muhammad was my final prophet.
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Muhammad's bottom prophet. There's more messages. So you have someone who's claiming to be a messenger after Muhammad who has brought you a translation of the original text. So you're appealing to somebody's translation of the original text because of his independently verifiable
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proof. No worries. So if you want to go with this, you got it, bro. My point is is that I'm not coming from a presupposition that your Quran is automatically true because it's the Quran. Your Quran says that it itself is
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a miracle. It's a sign, right? Sure. Okay. And the Quran says that we do not replace an ayah. Well, you sign whatever that includes the Quran. We do not replace an ayah uh with um we do not substitute unless or cause it to be
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forgotten. Unless with something better with to than it or like it. Let me read the So, your Quran, it said one thing earlier. It said, "Hey, Sabians, Christians, you you got nothing to fear. You good.
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If you worship God alone, you be saved." you're good. But then it says, but then later in chapter 9, it says if you disbelieve in Muhammad, if you disbelieve in Allah, if you disbelieve in the law that he that he mixing up,
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then therefore fight them. Okay. No, let's go. Let's clarify what you just said. All right.
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The verse you cite is actually the same chapter 2 as the 110 verse 262 says regime, unity of all submitters. Surely those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians and the converts. Anyone who one believes in God and two believes
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in the last day and three leads a righteous life will receive their recompense from their Lord they will have they have nothing to fear nor with the grief. This is giving us the concept that anyone in any religion from any
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background if they satisfy these three minimum criteria they can attain salvation. However, with more knowledge comes more responsibility. As you gain more knowledge your your burden becomes higher. So now you're being confronted with the Quran itself, you'll be
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confronted with the miracle, you've confronted with proofs that we're presenting here. If you deny something from God, you fall out of this. But as long as there's some maybe in South America, there's people that can't read the Quran. They don't have the Quran. If
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they fulfill these and they worship God alone, believe that they and lead a religious life, they're saved.
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Mhm. That's it. There's no contradiction in the Quran. I got you. So then you have chapter nine who comes later.
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Yeah. that says fight those who do not believe in the context is there know I just let you talk right okay so it's then it turns to you just repeated yourself I didn't I gave a whole explanation so I'm responding to what you just said
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brother you got to hear me out now sure all right the verse just contradicted chapter 2 that says you don't got to be Muslim if you're a Jew if you're a Sabian if you're a Christian you don't got to be Musl
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it says for the Jew are Jews and Christians is Muslim. They can be submitters.
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Are they Muslim? Muslim as in the way that is known today. No. Okay. I'm not Muslim the way it's identified today. In the Quran, Muslim means someone that is a submitter to God. A Christian can be a submitter to God.
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I got you, brother. So, according to the Quran, you can be Christian, Jew, Sabian. Yep.
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Believe in your Lord, you're good to go. Y according to chapter nine, Jews and Christians, if you don't believe in Allah, that's the context. Muhammad and let's go over the uh what they forbidden and what they allowed then you should be fought because you
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disbelieve not because hold on not because that they're fighting you it's because of what they believe. Even if you go hold on even if you go to the next verse it goes on talking about what they believe.
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Okay. It says they the they make their rabbis and their monks as as lords besides Allah and the Messiah. So are those the same Jews and Christians in 262 or are they talking about two different people?
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The same people. Yes. The Jews and Christians in 262 are worshiping God alone. The Jews and Christians in 9:31 are worshiping their scholars. Where did you get your Bible from?
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I got you. Where did you get your Bible from? So because of their so because of their belief they're being chastised, right?
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Because they're fighting they're fighting now. It says Jizia. We talked about Jizian's war reparation every time.
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No, it's not just a war reparation. It's something to humiliate the disbeliever. According to the Quran, every time the word Jiz is used in the Quran, it's in terms of recaration.
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Not in war reparation. Even here, this is the war starts with Islam. No, even it says literally in verse 13 of the same verse. Let me read it again.
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Would you not fight people who violated the treaties, tried to banish the ve messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Can you show me that Christians according to this verse? Who started the
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war? Can you show me that it's the people of the book? Did Muhammad start the war in this verse?
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Can you show me any verse in the Quran that says Muhammad started any war?
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9:29. What I'm asking you is I'm asking you. Now you're rejecting. Notice how you're cutting me off.
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Go ahead. I need you to deal with what I'm saying. I am. Can you show me in any of those verses prior to verse 29?
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Sure. That it's dealing with the people of the book. I think they're covered here.
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Show it, please. Christians and Jews violate their treaties. What Christian made a treaty with Muhammad?
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You tell me. Thank you. None of them. Nobody. I know. Were you there? Now it's Now, was I there now?
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So now you're going through the Can you show me? Leave your Quran alone, right?
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I am a Quran alone. Show me where the Christian made a a treaty with Muhammad.
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No need to. You're You're assuming you're assuming nothing like this happened. I'm looking at the cont.
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Do you have any source that says a Christian made a treaty with Muhammad? Christian?
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Right here. Verse 13. No. Where where does it say that? Right here. It says people who violated their treaties tried to banish the messenger and they are the ones who started the war in the first place. Do you agree and this verse at least what
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it relating to the Quraysh that they started? Thank you. Do No, we can go step by step. You agree on the Quraysh that they started the war. Muhammad, I I agree that there were people Let me answer you in full, dude. You're already
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about to cut me off. No, no, I want to understand to where we got.
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No, you don't. Cuz you cut me off. I want to reiterate your point. No, I reiterate my point. Okay, go ahead. Reiterate it.
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So, accord I have no problem with these first 13 verses dealing with people who broke a treaty.
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Mhm. Who are they? I would argue it could include the Jews and Christians. Where would you argue from? Give me the verse.
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The context of the whole chapter. Give me a verse that definitively excludes Jews and Christians. You can't.
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Okay. So, what I just did for you, my brother, is I showed you in verse 29. It then begins to deal with it turns its attention to the people of the book.
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That's where it get it turns the attention to Jews and Christians. Before that, it has nothing to do with the Jews and Christians. Matter of fact, let's go through it, bro.
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Yep. Let's go through it. We're at 18 minutes, by the way. All right, we can use this and wrap it up. Last time I He didn't answer my question.
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You didn't answer mine. Which question did I not answer? Where does it say it's talking about the Jews and Christians prior to verse 29?
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I gave you the context. It's talking about people that violated the prophet. Just Just say so. Just say words.
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You didn't answer my question. I want to actually We're looking at uh 9:31. They have set up their religious leaders and scholars of lords. Who gave you your Bible? Notice how you're switching the subject.
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Same subject about the same Bible. So, how do you even know you have a Bible?
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It's about Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. My brother, do you know what a red herring is?
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A red herring is when you uh uh take a point that's not off the subject and you use it as a deflection. That's a red herring. It's not about who gave me Listen Listen, bro. It's not about who
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gave me my Bible. It's about whether or not the Quran is giving an immoral command. That's what we're talking about. Not how I got my Bible. You understand?
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So in the Quran here, it says that it's dealing with the people of the book and what they believe and how they're being fought because they disbelieve in Islam.
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And then it and then it elaborates. Let me finish. And then it goes on to elaborate on how they disbelieve and how they make their rabbis and their monks as lords. And how they say Jesus or Ezra is the son of
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Allah is talking about their disbelief and why their disbelief is deserving of them being fought.
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But we talked about this. Jiza means war reparation. Yeah. They started a war against them.
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So they got to pay the war reparations. Jews and Christians that violated the peace treaties have to pay Jizia. War reparations.
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Like a gang coming to a shop and saying, "Hey, it'd be a real shame if you didn't have any protection around here. Let me protect you against Croatia Arabic." No, you're not. So let's go back to my question. You said I have the same
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problem as you. I don't have the I don't know the Arabic so I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah, you don't you don't. But it doesn't matter. In Arabic does it say fight back in 9:29?
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The context is that and messenger of God. Does it say fight back? The context is fight back.
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Let's do this again. The context is chapter in chapter 9 29. Does it say fight back against those?
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The context is fight back. I heard what you said. So does the verse say that?
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I don't have a literal word. I don't need to. All right. Your final point here.
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Final point is he claimed that I have the same problem as him. I don't. I have an authorized messenger of God. I have a physical verifiable proof. He has nothing. 55,000 denominations of Christianity. I don't know which one he
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latched on to. How many books of the Bible there? 60, 66, 69, 70, 74, 79. Do you go with the Ethiopian version? You don't have the original text. You don't have a reliable translation that's authorized. You don't have any way of
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accepting uh or evaluating your interpretation of the Bible. You have nothing. I have all three. Proven miracle of God. Code 19 is verifiable. I can sit you down. We can go through all of it. No problem. Miracle of God
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verifies the new messenger. Messenger gives the translation gives his interpretation. I have a coherent complete religion. You have nothing. I get it. I appreciate that some of the talking points against the Muslims. You got some good points. But at the end of
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the day, you do not have a clear coherent doctrine. Jesus is not God. The Quran is the proven word of God. We have everything we need right here. Okay. So my point so now you couldn't do what I
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was doing for you. I gave you the verse that addresses the Jews and the Christians specifically and how Allah turns his attention to them to fight them because they disbelieve. You said, "Well, no, the verses prior is talking
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about the Jews and the Christians too." This is verse one of chapter 9. Verse one, it says, "A discharge from all obligation by Allah and his messenger to the polytheists." to the polytheist have entered that you've entered into
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treaties with. So it's not talking about the Jews and Christians. It's talking about the pagan Arabs that they were having dealings with. So all from one all the way to 28 deals with the polytheists in Arabia.
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Possible that a Christian it's possible that a Christian I gave you your point. I gave you your closing, right? It's my closing now. Go ahead.
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So now after dealing with the polytheist, verse 28 says this. Let's go to verse 28. I'm doing for you what you couldn't do for me. I'm more Quran only than you. Verse 28 says this. Watch. Oh believers indeed the polytheists, who's
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it talking about? Jews and Christians? No. The polytheists are um are impure. So they should not approach the sacred mosque after this year. If you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of his bounty if he wills. Surely Allah is knowing all wise.
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Now here's verse 29, right? Cuz then now notice how it says that Allah is going to now enrich you. What's the context here? After they fought the polytheist, they're complaining about being broke.
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But the verse comes and says, "Don't worry. Allah is going to help you out.
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He's going to make you bountiful." How? How's he going to do that? Here's how.
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fight those who do not believe in Allah or the last day nor comply with what Allah and his messenger have forbidden nor embrace the religion of truth from among the people of the book the Jews and Christians until they pay the Jizia
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and feel themselves subdued so what does how does how is Allah going to replenish the funds of the Muslims after fighting the polytheists by by having the Jews and Christians pay that Jiza that's how it's going to happen now why do they
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have to pay why do they have why are they fought not because the Jews and Christians broke a treaty, not because they attacked Muhammad and the Muslims first. It's because they disbelieve. And in context, it continues, the Jews say
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Ezra is the son of Allah. The Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah.
Speaker A
That's their saying from their own mouths. They imitate disbelie disbelievers of old. Allah condemns them. Um they are deluded from the truth. It says they have taken their rabbis and monks as their lords besides the law. Right? So showing how they
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disbelieve. They're not being fought because they fought Muhammad first. They're being fought because the Muslims the I just said it because the Muslims didn't explain what they're attacking them for disbelief. Jesus war reparation.
Speaker A
That's it. That was my closing. Yeah, we got to wrap this up. All right.
Topics:Quran-onlyHadith rejectionIslamic moralityJizyaMuhammadChristian-Muslim debateIslamic scripturefreedom of religionchapter 9 QuranGodLogic Apologetics
