AI Video: Michael Simmons Interviews Elettra Fiumi (Award-Winning AI Film Director)

Oh, it says live. Yeah, we're live. Hi, everyone. All right, we got it to work. Always some technical issues, but we're here. And I am Michael Simmons, co-founder of Blockbuster Blueprint and Kosora. And I am here with Electra Fioni from Are you in? You're from Italy, but you're living in Switzerland now. Yeah. Very cool. And exactly by the lake. Electra. Oh, very nice. I'm going to have to see a photo of that someday. So, Electra is an award-winning AI film director. She is the creator of the Substack called AI Cinema. I'll put a link to that. And she's also the founder of Fumi Studios AI. So, I'll put a link in the chat there. And Electra, if you have the—I had it open and I lost the window. Okay, actually I found it. This is the link to Electra's publication. So, I am really excited to chat because a lot of the conversations I've had with people, they're more in the workflow and productivity text, and you're in the world of art and also working with video. So, I feel like it's a really interesting space and it really just blossomed this past year, it feels like. What's it been like for you? How did you get into from just being a filmmaker to getting into AI film? Yeah. Well, I started discovering AI about two and a half years ago during my maternity leave. I did an AI for business masters because I had so much time on my hands and I was really jazzed about everything. But of course, I've been passionate about storytelling my whole life and was making films before that. I have a background in documentary filmmaking and journalism. So, I started digging deeper into this space and let me tell you, two years ago it was like a whole other universe. Yeah. Yeah. Like right now I'm testing Sea Dance and I'm about to release a few experiments that I've done with it and it's just wild. You know, when I was starting it was like how do you not get the hands and the eyes to be super weird and uncanny valley type? And now it's like sometimes I can't even figure out if something is AI or not. So, we've come a long way and it's just crazy. I mean, most of my days I spend in the R&D mode, constantly learning, and even though I teach AI cinema to people of all backgrounds—teenagers, film directors, entrepreneurs—sometimes I teach AI cinema, sometimes I teach AI for architects or AI for productivity. Because actually, running my own production company, I integrate, but also even if I were just like an employee somewhere or had some kind of funded project where I was just directing the whole time, all of the AI tools really come in handy at every single stage of what making a film means because it's not just generating a video, right? You have to come up with a good story, do a lot of research, and really dig deep on every single aspect of the dialogue, character development, and what you then do with the final film, the product. So, you have to do research like where you're submitting to film festivals and who's the producer and distribution and social media campaigns around the film. So, the AI tools come into play in every single aspect of what I do. And in terms of people always asking me like, "So, what's your favorite tool?" It really depends on the project because it depends on the style you're going for. If it's more like sketch style, more anime, or more realistic. And if it's like a more of a fashion film or if it's food, there's really wild. So, it's really important to understand all of the tools so that then there's like a feasibility phase, it's called. So, when we start a project you kind of test out a few tools and are like, "Okay, this is the workflow that works for this project." But you have to know the tools to really know, "Okay, out of the hundreds of tools, which ones are going to be the best, will give me the best output within this time frame and within this budget also." Yeah. And for you being at the forefront, I'm just curious, what are you most excited about right now? And then what are you most fearful? I know the more you're at the frontier, the more you can see forward and even where they're replacing us in some areas. I have honestly—I know this is controversial—but I don't have any fear. I'm just very excited and curious and I think that's because I'm playing with the tools all the time and I feel like there has been such an unlock and a democratization of who can tell stories and what stories they can tell. And a big part of me is an experimental soul, which means that I love making films that nobody wants to fund and really experiment with the genres and with what the actual narrative arc means. I go really beyond what is mainstream. So, for me it's super exciting and I see so many new voices come up. It doesn't matter how old you are, where you're from, how much money you have, you can just bang out any film you want. So, in terms of what's exciting or what I'm really into, I'm really into figuring out automations. So, I'm learning right now and trying to understand how those kinds of workflows can help us make films in a more efficient manner. So, right now I'm building a budget tool with another producer from LA, and then I'm just trying to understand vibe coding and how that can help filmmakers. And of course, agentic—like how do the agents come into play with this? So, I'm trying to figure out a lot of things. I don't have that many answers, but I think the important thing is the curiosity. I love Substack because there's so many people from different worlds and I have, I don't know, 30 tabs open right now. Yesterday I was knee-deep in connecting Notebook LM to Gemini. I'm like, oh my goodness, now I use Notebook LM so much for my film work. Almost every film project I have a Notebook LM project. And I won a special mention for an AI script writing competition. I can tell you about it if you want. I have so much to say, so I don't want to go away from what you have on your docket. Yeah. Well, I want to hear all of it. Before we go there though, yeah, there are people who want to create AI film as a track and a career, and then there are people—I put myself in this—where I'm AI film curious, I would say, where I'm playing with AI and exploring all the time and I really want to explore with video but it's a little bit like, well, I don't know where to start and I don't have skill with video. I was reading one of your posts today where you mentioned Ariel Cozer and Fieldnotes, and it was one of the films—the link, I'll put a link in the chat. Let's see. So, Field Notes, where I actually really felt something at a deep level with AI. Somebody just wrote AI film addicted. Yeah. And by the way, feel free to read the chats because I can't—Substack is having a bug so I can't see anything. Oh dear. Okay. If you see anything, yeah, I'm on—sorry guys, I'm on my phone. I promise next live will be like I'll be more set up. That's such a great use of Notebook LM for your film project. Yeah, Regina, totally. I should do a post, an article just on all my film projects of Notebook LM. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. So, hard to juggle with Field Notes. There I put a link to the video if people want to watch that. It's a short video, four minutes. As a writer, what I also found interesting about it is basically Ariel took a really deep conversation with ChatGPT based on the premise of what are you, you know, and then he took the text of it and then turned it into AI audio. Then he used, turned, used t—

from Are you in? You're from Italy, but you're living in Switzerland now. Yeah. Very cool. And exactly by the lake.

Electra. Oh, very nice. I'm g have to see a photo of that someday. So, uh, Electra is an award-winning AI film director. She is the creator of the Substack called AI Cinema. I'll put a link to that. And she's also the founder

of Fumi Studios AI. So, I'll put a link to the chat there. And Electro, if you have the I had it open and I lost the window the Okay, actually I found it.

This is the link to Electro's publication. So, I am really excited to chat because uh a lot of the conversations I've had with people, they're more in the workflow and productivity text and you're in the world of art and also

working with video. So, I I feel like it's a really interesting space and it really just blossomed this past year, it feels like. What's it been like for you?

How did you get into from just being a filmmaker to getting into AI film?

Yeah. Well, I started uh discovering AI about two and a half years ago during my maternity leave. I did an AI for business masters and because I had so much time on my hands and I was really jazzed about

everything. But of course I've been uh uh passionate about storytelling my whole life and uh was making films before that. I um have a background in documentary film making and journalism.

So I started digging deeper into this space and let me tell you two years ago it was like a whole other universe.

Yeah. Yeah. Like right now I'm testing uh Sea Dance and I'm about to release a few uh experiments that I've done with it and it's just wild. Um you know when I was starting it was like how do you

not get the hands and the eyes to be super weird and uncanny valley type. Um and now it's like it's really sometimes I can't even figure out if something is AI or not. So, it's we've come a long

way and it's just crazy. I mean, most of my days I spend uh in the R&D mode um constantly learning and uh even though I teach AI cinema to um people of all backgrounds. So, teenagers, film directors, uh entrepreneurs,

um sometimes I teach AI cinema, sometimes I teach AI for architects or um AI for productivity. So, cuz actually like running my own production company, I uh integrate and but also even if I were just like an employee somewhere or

had like some kind of um funded project where I was just directing the whole time, all of the AI tools really come in handy at every single stage of what making a film ma means because it's not just generating a video, right? You have

to come up with a good story. Do a lot of research and really dig deep on uh every single aspect of you know the dialogue uh character development and how you then what you do with the final film with the product. So you have to do

research of like where you submitting to film festivals and who's the producer and distribution and social media uh campaigns around the film. So it really like the AI tools come into play on in every single aspect of what I do.

And in terms of like you know people always ask me like so what's your favorite tool? And like it really depends on the project because it depends on the style you're going for.

If it's more like sketch style, more anime or more realistic. Um and if it's like a more of a fashion film or if it's uh food. there's there it's really wild.

Um and so it's really important to understand all of the tools so that then you like the there's like a feasibility phase it's called. So when we start a project you kind of test out a few tools and are like okay this is like the

workflow that works for this project. Um and but you have to know the tools to really know, okay, like out of the hundreds of tools, which ones are going to be um the best, you know, will give me the best output within this time

frame and within this budget also. Yeah. And for you being at the forefront, I'm just curious, what are you most excited about right now? And then what are you most fearful? I know I this the more the more you're at the

frontier the more you could see forward and uh even where they're replacing us in some areas.

I have honestly I I know this is controversial but I don't have any fear.

I'm just very excited and curious and I think that's because I'm playing with the tools all the time and I feel like um there has been such an unlock and a democratization of who can tell stories and what stories they can tell. And I

have a big part of me is an experimental uh soul. uh which means that I love making films that nobody wants to fund and you know and like really experiment with the genres and with what the actual like narrative arc means. Like I I go

really beyond what you know is mainstream. So um for me it's super exciting and I see so many new voices come up. doesn't matter how old you are, where you're from, how much money you have, like you can just bang out any

film you want. So, and in terms of what's exciting like or what I'm like I'm really d into like figuring out automations.

Um, so I'm uh you know learning n right now and trying to understand how that those kind of workflows can help us um make films in a more efficient manner.

So right now I'm building like a budget uh tool uh with another producer from LA and um uh and then I'm just like trying to understand vibe coding and like how that can uh help uh filmmakers and um

and of course agentic like what you know how do the agents come into play with this. So I'm trying to figure out a lot of things. I don't have that many answers, but I think the important thing is like the curiosity and like

uh I love Substack because there's so many people from different worlds and so like I have I don't know 30 tabs open right now. Um yesterday I was like kneede and like connecting Notebook LM to Gemini. I'm like oh my goodness now

like I use Notebook LM so much for my film work. Um, like almost every film project I have a notebook LM project.

Um, and like I won uh I got like a special mention for an AI script writing competition. Um, I can tell you about it if you want. I'm like I'm I I have so much to say so I don't want to like

you know go away from what you have on your on your docket. Yeah. Well, I want to hear all of it. Uh before we go there though um yeah there's you know people who want to create AI film as a track and a career

and then there's people I put myself in this where I'm AI film curious I would say where I'm playing with AI and exploring all the time and I really want to explore with video but it's uh a little bit like well I don't know where

to start and I don't have skill with video and I was reading one of your posts today where you mention mentioned Ariel Cozer and Fieldnotes and it was one of the films the link you I'll put a link in the chat.

Let's see. So, Field Notes where I actually really felt something at a deep level with AI.

Somebody just wrote AI film addicted. Yeah. And by the way, feel free to read the chats because I can't Substack is having a bug so I can't see see anything. Oh dear. Okay.

If you see anything, uh, yeah, I'm on, sorry guys, I'm on my phone. I promise next live will be like I'll be more set up. That's such a great to use Notebook LM for your film project. Yeah, Regina, totally. Um, I

should do like a post an article just on like all my film projects of Notebook LM. Um, okay. Yeah, I don't know.

So, uh, hard to juggle with field notes. Uh there I put a link to the video if people want to watch that. It's a short video, four minutes.

As a writer, what I also found interesting about it is basically Ariel took a really deep conversation with Chad GPT based on the premise of what are you you know and have and then it he took the text of it and then turned it into AI

audio. Then he used uh turned used the text to create prompts in midjourney to create images and then he used another tool to connect the audio and the video or the images to turn it into script. So what I like what I resonated about that

as a writer is like oh I could turn text or conversation I have into something so I don't have to come up with a script and which I don't do. I can just take a conversation. Do you do you see

potential for that for people here who Absolutely. I mean, it's so it's so interesting. I mean, honestly, even if you don't know how to script, you can just tell Claude. And by the way, I'm going to be like referencing Claude,

even though I've just like started using it as my main LLM, like as of this week.

So, most of my like custom GPTs for my specific projects have been with Chat GPT um until recently. Uh but with Claude I find myself like in much more of a creative flow. Like I just wrote a note on Substack like I today I I had to

generate title cards and I used Claude and it was incredible. It like generate then chatpt couldn't do it and a title card would be just is that a screen where you're just a title the title of the film it

has to look cool and it has to be like in line with what the film is about. uh so that people as soon as they see the poster or anything about it that's visual they immediately it's like branding for the film right so it's

really important and it's like where how you know the font type that you see all the credits and and um but wait I kind of lost track of so many things in my mind you're talking about Claude and then how

are you're getting in the flow more yeah so even yeah and even if you don't know how to script like you just tell Claude hey I'm a non director. I don't I've never done a film before, but I have this vision and like

sometimes making a film is like just you've dreamt something and you have this visual in your mind uh of like for me it was like this most recent film I had um I I saw like this fake news on on

social media about a pregnant robot and I couldn't stop thinking of that and visualizing it. So I built the whole film around just that visual and now it's become like a second film and now you know I want to do an anthology

around it and so can you share a link to that in the chat so people can check see it if it's yeah sure it's actually it just uh will go live like it's it is already on on escape um which is like an amazing

distribution channel for AI films um that the team behind it is also really brilliant um but tomorrow they're going to actually do a spotlight uh on the film. So yeah, I'll share it afterwards.

Um but yeah, basically like you can just tell it like look, I've you know, I don't know, I had this trauma as a child like I saw something that I can't get out of my head and I want to do a film

about it or like I have a dream that this thing should happen in the future or I'm really worried about politics and this specific thing that's happening in the universe. um or you know I'm an activist or I want to make a film for my

husband that you know is doesn't know how to sleep and I want to show him how it's possible to to relax before you go to bed. Um I mean learn learning um we all learn in different ways. Um, some of

us, that's why again I love Notebook LM. Like you can, you know, some some people need to listen to things, some people are more visual, some people need to talk through things, other people need to just walk in nature. And I think film

can really touch on so many of our senses. And so it's a really powerful tool to communicate whatever you want.

And now we have the the instruments uh the these large language models where you can give context on who you are and like you know I'm an accountant but you know I really want to help people know how to save money or be more organized

with their documents throughout the year so that when tax time comes around I don't have to do all this dirty work you know how can I put this into a film so it can be like an educational film it

can be a you know like a nonprofit kind kind of um activist kind of film. It can be just a poetic like no storyline film, but you're just obsessed with like mosaic, the style of mosaic because you traveled to Italy and you saw it in

Ravena and so you're like I just want to like go dig deep. And I would say that the first tool that is really fascinating and and remains like a sort of um you know a lighthouse in in our AI

space of um creative work is Midjourney because Midjourney has these incredible um ways to create to get to like explore styles. So you can explore other people's work both images and videos.

You can save them. You can repurpose them, remix them, but you can also explore styles and they'll have like three styles at a time and you can then use that SREF which is like a style reference to generate other styles like

that or you can also bring your own work. So what I do a lot with like teenagers is um but even with adults um is like start with a pen and a paper like go old school you know and draw

something and if you're a photographer you already have like image references and you already have a style. If you're an illustrator, if you've done any creative work like that, um you already can like you can uh train the models.

You can create like a midjourney mood board and then generate like a whole slew of other assets that are in the same style.

What's a midjourney uh mood board? Sorry, what's a midjourney mood board? So, a midjourney mood board is basically a space where you can um if you go to midjourney.com and you sign up, it's on the left hand side and you just say

create new mood board and you can upload assets. So, you can upload images. Uh you can upload two, you can upload 20, as many as you want. Obviously, they have to be somehow coherent in general, generally speaking, but there's a always

a butt. Like, if you want something that's half watercolor and half grunge, like pop rock or something, um you could put both of them and see what comes out because it might merge the two. Uh if you want to do uh

like ice cream in like a very high production value kind of advertising style then you would like upload a whole slew like let's say 10 to 20 images of similar uh styles aesthetic styles. So then you use that you can on the top

just say use mood board and then generate um you know put in a prompt and that sm style reference of the mood board is included in the prompt and so then you can generate in that style.

Oh interesting. So in a way I I teach thought leadership is how do you go from learning about something to processing it coming up with ideas and then producing that into an article or a format. but ideas that are so valuable

that everyone in a community uses them. And I think a missing piece often is connoisseurship is that I think one of the best ways to create an idea is to understand lots of different ideas and different types of ideas and ones

different ones from different periods and then your mind starts to intuitit things. And maybe what I hear you saying is key step here is becoming a connoisseur is even just collecting you come across a style you really like

maybe putting it in different mood boards and different videos you like and those can be references that you build upon for the future. Is that a good way of thinking about it?

Yeah, if you have the time to do that. Yeah, I mean that's why like you know tools like Pinterest or other extensions that you can put into your Chrome um are are useful because like when you navigate during the day and you come

across a cool image, you can just save it um and then come back to it. So I have a lot of Pinterest boards like that that kind of have uh macro topics like fashion or cinema, things like that. And then when I'm like working on

a specific project, I go back to those um boards and extract the ones that the the images that I um when I had come across them, what what had provoked something in me. Um but I also do that

on on uh Instagram. I save tons of things. Uh and you know you don't always go back to that specific image but in there's something in the act of saving that you're like it's like it's registered in your brain

in your aesthetic taste and then when you go like you go back even you know weeks later a month later to create the creation process and you're like pulling from everything that is really has and absorbed inside of you. Um, and then

sometimes you really need those image references to create exactly what you want. And that's a way to control the outputs of these uh AI tools. You want the image referenced um which could be of uh the object character location or the pallet uh

aesthetic style the kind of lens that was used to create that that image or you know the style of it. Um, so you can use image references in so many different ways with these tools and that's what the prompt is is rarely

enough if you have a specific uh idea in your head and I know midjourney has the explore tab where you can explore but uh is where would you recommend like for me example I'm not coming across lots of

images because I'm not in that con mood or um that frame of mind most of the time but if I wanted to be and find lots of things. Would you recommend going to the explore tab or where would you

recommend going for inspiration? Yeah, the explore tab of midjourney is incredible. Um, and also you can explore according to keywords.

Uh, but you can also go to other websites like I mean any of the AI tools usually have an explore page. So like runway has an an amazing explore page.

Um, but you can also go to like shot deck. Um, shot like s h o tde d c k. Um, shot deck.com. It's a it's been a tool for film directors for a long time. Um, they have stills which are is the

technical like cinema cinema word for uh images. Um so they're like extracted let's say screenshots of films of like famous films of tons of different films and there you can do research according to palette like specific colors uh mood

time of day location so it's a great uh resource um and there's some a few other ones like that like film vibes um and uh and then also uh I think it's called cosmos which is a little bit more like

branding type uh imagery. So, you can go to these when you're like, you know, wanting to create something. But I would I would you know suggest if you're just starting out to like um workshop with and brainstorm with an LLM on like who

you are, what you're trying to say, what's your message? Because in the end, film making is really about the message that you that you're trying to convey to to others.

Yeah. And okay, this is amazing. So I I put all those links that you mentioned in the chat window so people can explore those. So now people have a path you want to get started by places to go to

explore. Add those to midjourney mood board and then you can create prompts from them. One of the things I think about is let's say I write an article that's educational and I want to create a video from it. How do I how what would

be the pro process for turning that into a really good script? Is there a prompt you recommend or or just tell Claude, "Hey, can you turn this into I want to create an educational video. Turn this into a script."

Yeah, I would do that. And give and give give context, you know, say like what are you going to do with that video, you know, like are you going to are you doing it for a nonprofit where you

volunteer or is it for your family at Christmas? Uh or is it for your Substack? and what and if it's for your substack, who's your audience and what are you trying to say in your substack?

So, give as much context like is the rule, you know, for any uh interaction with uh AI tools. Um, and then the length, you know, is it like a 30-se secondond reel, uh, or is it, you know, an indepth 5 minute

video or, you know, what what what's And if, of course, if you have references of other similar um, videos that you like, then you can also uh, get those transcribed and uh, have those as examples of scripts.

Okay. So going back to connoisseurship again of find you could find similar videos and take the scripts and that could be good reference.

Absolutely. By the way, I have another tip about mid journey which is um uh not commonly known. Um, if you find an image that you like, uh, so let's say you see like another video that's in your references, uh, of what you were trying

to do, you can like screenshot that image and then upload it and get like an image description.

So, it turns it into a prompt and you can do that with the LLMs as well.

Okay? because you might not be able to know how to describe the type of lighting, the type of camera, the, you know, the elements of the image, the style or things like that. So, you're kind of learning the

almost like command language for film indirectly from taking the images you like. Yeah, it's like reverse engineering it.

Yeah. Really interesting. And you mentioned you have uh teach classes. Do you have any classes coming up that people could check out? What's the link for that?

Well, I'm actually uh going to Cyprus in Greece. Nice. I'm teaching at the Cypress Film Festival uh a course on AI cinema to film directors.

Uh and then I'm teaching in Switzerland in June at the university. So, I don't have any online classes yet, but I'm I'm curious to do that. I I'm like a little bit scared of I I'm I'm really in awe of

a lot of the other people who are just like creating all these communities of of things online and teaching online.

I'm I'm a little bit like I'm trying to figure out how to do it in a way that respects my time of creation. Um because I I realized that in my life like my um ikigaru like my happy place is teaching

and also creating films. Um and so I don't want to create like an educational thing online that is takes up all of my time. Uh and some of these communities because of the fact that the technology is evolving so much require like

constant updates. Um but I I'm look I'm I'm thinking maybe of Kajjabi like of creating something on Kajjabi and um anyway anybody who's interested in like learning please reach out and I'm glad to um you know keep you guys posted on

what I end up doing and teaching. I do a lot of like private courses as well now but I I think I need to like go into the scalability zone. I'm happy to have conversations as well. Uh, I've been teaching for a long

time online. And for people who want to learn more, check out uh substack.com uh atsign AI cinema. Uh, subscribe to Electra's list to keep up to date once she launches the course. And uh, you're also going to be teaching a class

tomorrow at Kosora. Uh, so kora.org. Can you tell us more about what you planning to teach there? give people a preview for people who want to go deeper in the tools.

Yeah, it's crazy right now. There's so much. It's hard to like uh you know, be uh selective. Uh but I think what I what I'm going to be f Well, what I'm definitely going to be focusing on is um

a case study of a film of mine. And I just need to figure out like if I have the time to also show some other tools.

Um I'm uh in in various creative partner programs. So I um you know know various tools super well. Um but there's yeah there it also depends on the project right. So I want people to really get a sense of the best tools for the

different use cases. So I'll I'll focus on one case study and show showcase my my process but then I'll I'll try to also show some other examples uh from other tools so so people at least know about them and then they can uh decide

what to dig deeper in uh like we think is one of the most incredible tools because heard it's spelled we a v y um it's similar to it's basically the same thing as Flora uh which is another tool. They're

they're both nodebased um uh AI image and video generators, but you can have uh a lot of control, a lot of scalability. So, it's great for like advertising and creating a lot of assets for social media and for other types of

campaigns. Um and they can do so many different things. So you can like upscale, you can um there's like prompt concat concatenators.

Um there's a lot of uh Yeah, it's a great space to be in. It's like the infinite canvas.

Yeah. And for people who want to dive into your Substack AI Cinema, what kind of things do you post there? Do you have a paid subscription? What's inside of that?

Yeah. So I um I've been posting like I I just actually created like these different silos. So um there's a spotlight which is uh showcasing people from the industry. So um I just uh published an interview with a

philosopher uh yesterday. Um the one Yeah, the one that you mentioned uh Ariel. I just um had an interview with um an incredible woman who just uh uh got hired by cartel k a r t- l um and

with drug cartel not to be mistaken but it's catchy right um yeah and I try to like any time I see somebody doing interesting things in an interesting way I want to um dig deeper and hear what their thoughts are and

what you know through specific voices you can really understand what's going on in the industry and um and there's not really that many like magazines or platforms that are doing this for what's happening in AI films. So um I I like

and I love interviewing. I mean it goes back to my journalism background. I could literally interview people like all day long and be happy, you know, and try to get to like the core of stuff and what people are passionate about and the

creative processes like I love the behind the scenes of things. Yeah. I think what I sense through your writing uh and I really resonate with this as well is the experimental part of exploring and also feel like your posts

are very philosophical and they go a level deeper than what's out there. So, for example, you did one recently on AI slop and there's so many posts on AI slop that that's more just surface. Oh, AI slop is destroying the internet or

things like that. But the interview did recently is going deep on like what is AI slop? Why is it resonating and it just it just suddenly made me think very differently about it.

Yeah. And so I I think that's something people can look forward to as well.

Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate hearing these words about it cuz sometimes, you know, you're right and you don't really know what is touching people and what what is not and if you know what is inside of me really comes

through. Uh so I'm really I really appreciate your your kind words. Um I think there's you know there's there's something we're we're living an unprecedented time and we all of us don't really know what's going on. So it's only through communication and

sharing that we can navigate this al together and build also these new ways of doing things. Um and so you know something like AI slop requires um a lot of uh thought you know so that's why I chose to have

to explore that through the lens of a philosopher. Um, you know, it's it's there's like so much nuance and such so much gray area in um what's happening and what we're seeing and what we're doing um that Yeah. going going deeper

in those gray areas is is of interest to me. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate your time today jumping on this live. This is your first live, so I felt I felt like it went great. I I learned I took away a

lot. Hopefully everyone here did as well. And uh a thrilling experience. I I feel bad about the people that like I didn't look through the notes and stuff, but feel free to message us uh with any specific questions. And um yeah, see you

tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow uh 11:00 a.m. Eastern. Guys, check out kosora.org and see you tomorrow. Bye.

Thank you for what you're building. Ciao. Thank you.