Dr. Michael Streif of Johns Hopkins reviews cancer-associated venous thromboembolism: epidemiology, risk factors, prevention, DOAC use, and treatment.
Key Takeaways
- VTE is a major and frequently underrecognized complication in patients with cancer, with substantially worse outcomes than in the general population.
- Clot risk varies with cancer type, stage, treatment, and patient-level factors, so risk assessment should be individualized.
- Anticoagulant dosing, especially for DOACs, should consider body weight and, where relevant, drug-level monitoring.
- Bleeding risk is highest early in therapy, which should inform monitoring and anticoagulation decisions.
- Recurrent VTE despite anticoagulation warrants evaluation for adherence, drug absorption, and other causes such as antiphospholipid syndrome.
What the video covers
- Dr. Michael Streif (Johns Hopkins) presents an NCCN continuing-education talk on cancer-associated venous thromboembolism (VTE).
- Clots are common: roughly 900,000 DVT/PE events per year in the US, with 50,000-100,000 fatal PEs, making VTE the third leading cause of cardiovascular death.
- Patients with cancer have about ninefold higher VTE rates than those without cancer, based on a Danish national registry study (Mulder et al., 2021).
- Clotting risk begins rising in the months before a cancer diagnosis, peaks around the first six months of treatment, falls in remission, and rises again at relapse.
- Cancer outcomes are worse after VTE: threefold higher recurrence, twofold higher fatal PE, twofold higher fatal bleeding, and fivefold higher mortality.
- Risk factors include age, race/ethnicity (African Americans slightly higher, Asians lower), genetic mutations such as factor V Leiden and prothrombin, cancer type, histology, stage, and treatment timing.
- Newer targeted therapies carry clot risk comparable to chemotherapy, contrary to early expectations.
- Prophylaxis and anticoagulant dosing should account for body weight, since drug distribution depends on blood volume.
- Risk-scoring tools such as the Khorana score are discussed, including a more refined model validated at Baylor and in a large national trial.
- Treatment decisions depend on clot location and severity (e.g., proximal, above-knee, or upper-extremity DVT) and clinical status such as hypotension or hypoxia.
Chapters
- 00:00Speaker introduction and session overview
- 03:00Recent literature and DOAC update preview
- 06:09Scope of the clot problem and epidemiology in cancer
- 10:06Patient-specific and cancer-related risk factors
- 15:24Risk assessment tools and prophylaxis
- 20:31Treatment approaches by clot type and severity
- 26:29DOAC data, EPIAT trial, and recurrence management
- 42:30Q&A on bleeding timing and clinical follow-up
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Uh, it is now my pleasure to welcome our next speaker, Dr. Michael Strife. He's a professor of medicine and pathology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, the Johns Hopkins Hospital, and the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at Johns Hopkins.
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Johns Hopkins. He also serves as the medical director of their uh anti-coagulation management services and outpatient clinics uh as well as the co-director of their anti-thrombotic and heostatic disorders stewardship program.
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He also serves as the medical director of their anticoagulation management services and outpatient clinics, as well as the co-director of their antithrombotic and hemostatic disorders stewardship program.
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flagship journal uh of the NCCN. So we are very excited to have you and I'll come back to take some questions. Um thank you for joining us Dr. Stripe.
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He's also the medical director of the Johns Hopkins Comprehensive Hemophilia Treatment Center, and in addition does a lot for the NCCN. He's the chair of the NCCN Cancer-Associated Venous Thromboembolism Disease Panel and a member of the editorial board of the JNCCN, our flagship journal of the NCCN.
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my job and it was basically, well, this guy's retiring and you worked with him for five years. Would you take over his clinic? Oh, sure. So, that that was my job interview, I think. But anyway, um we'll get into more of that. I'm getting
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So we are very excited to have you, and I'll come back to take some questions. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Strife.
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We're we're doing pretty well. So, I don't know. This is maybe a short session. I might not be invi uh educating too much you guys. So, this is what I'm going to cover. Uh kind of overview. We'll look at epidemiology of
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Well, thanks so much for that kind introduction. I must say that was an awesome session. I'm, of course, 30 years down the line now, but in the 90s, man, I wish I'd had that. You know, I look back on my job, and it was basically: well, this guy's retiring, and you worked with him for five years. Would you take over his clinic? Oh, sure. So that was my job interview, I think.
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I'm going to try to pull in some recent literature that you know was pro somewhat will be is not in the guidelines yet that I think we'll be discussing this year and then look at um uh uh you know the latest information on
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But anyway, we'll get into more of that. I'm getting into trouble with Hopkins. So, let's see. What is your level of confidence in treating clots? Looks pretty good, actually. Gosh, you guys are doing pretty well. Let's see, looks like 78%.
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about 900,000 a year about 50 to 100,000 fatal pulmonary emili huge number of clots it's the third most common cause of cardiovascular death in the US so it's it's a really important problem and that's in the general population it's
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We're doing pretty well. So I don't know, this is maybe a short session. I might not be educating you guys too much. So this is what I'm going to cover. Kind of an overview. We'll look at the epidemiology of clots in cancer patients, and then look at prevention. I'll put a lot of focus on prevention, and then some treatment.
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population. And so they're ninefold more frequent than they are in patients without cancer. You can see this graph here that um they basically this is from a national registry that they have in Denmark. So they track everybody patients without cancer, patient with
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I'm going to try to pull in some recent literature that was presented somewhat recently and is not in the guidelines yet, that I think we'll be discussing this year, and then look at the latest information on DOACs.
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Um and it's uh the are when patients with cancer have clots their outcomes are a lot worse that they are three-fold more likely to have a recurrent clot. Uh fatal peas two-fold more likely fatal bleeding twofold more likely and death
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So why do we talk about why clots are important? They're really frequent. If you look at the US, there are about 900,000 clots every year. DVT and PE, I'm talking about, not superficial vein thrombosis, but DVT and PE: about 900,000 a year, about 50 to 100,000 fatal pulmonary emboli. A huge number of clots. It's the third most common cause of cardiovascular death in the US. So it's a really important problem, and that's in the general population. It's even more important in patients with cancer.
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So this is from that same registry looking at when they happen. So as you can see that um clots start happening really early. In fact they start happening before the diagnosis of cancer and then whatever therapy we use um they
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I think this paper, which is now a couple years old, from 2021, the Mulder paper, is still the best epidemiological study looking at clots in the cancer patient population. They're ninefold more frequent than they are in patients without cancer. You can see this graph here, which is from a national registry they have in Denmark. They track everybody: patients without cancer, patients with cancer, and the rates of clotting. You can see over the last 20 years, up to 2017, a dramatic increase in clots in cancer patients, and that's despite the fact that we have many more treatments to prevent these and treat these clots.
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not chemotherapy. They don't cause vascular damage. But has not have been the case that actually these therapies are as you can see from this graph just as likely as chemotherapy to cause thrombosis.
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When patients with cancer have clots, their outcomes are a lot worse. They are threefold more likely to have a recurrent clot, twofold more likely to have a fatal PE, twofold more likely to have fatal bleeding, and death is fivefold more likely. So we really have to do a good job when we're looking at our patients with cancer and clots.
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what it shows is that early on even before the cancer the first six to 12 months before the cancer already the clotting risk is going up and you can see that again going up and then once they get diagnosed we start applying
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This is from that same registry, looking at when they happen. As you can see, clots start happening really early. In fact, they start happening before the diagnosis of cancer, and whatever therapy we use, they continue upward rapidly over the first few months of treatment.
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what we see every day in our c in our clinic our anti-coagulation clinic. Um so why do patients clots and why does some patients clot more than other patients? Well they're um personal risk factors. So age obviously [snorts] as
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Early on, I'd say 10 or 15 years ago, when the new targeted therapies were coming out, we thought there'd be fewer clots because they're not chemotherapy and don't cause vascular damage. But that has not been the case. Actually, as you can see from this graph, these therapies are just as likely as chemotherapy to cause thrombosis.
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the disease itself that cancer it's not a monolithic concept that actually there are as you know multiple different types of cancer and the different types of cancer influence the clot risks significantly and it's also influenced by hisytologology by the stage of the
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This is a really nice graph from a paper by Alok Khorana a number of years ago, looking at the whole course of clotting during a patient's cancer journey. What it shows is that early on, even before the cancer, in the first six to twelve months before the cancer is diagnosed, the clotting risk is already going up. You can see that again going up, and then once they get diagnosed, we start applying treatment: surgery, chemotherapy, targeted therapies. You see a peak in clotting around the first six months or so after they start therapy, and once they achieve remission, it goes down. But when there's relapse, the clotting rates go back up. This is what we see every day in our anticoagulation clinic.
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Um so this is from that paper the molden moulder paper showing the different clot rates in the first 12 months with patients with different types of cancer.
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So why do patients clot, and why do some patients clot more than others? There are personal risk factors. Age, obviously: as your age goes up, the risk of clotting goes up. Race and ethnicity influence it. African Americans have slightly more risk than Caucasians, and Asians have significantly lower risk. Genetics, like factor V Leiden and prothrombin gene mutations, also influence it. Then you have the disease itself. Cancer is not a monolithic concept. There are, as you know, multiple different types of cancer, and the different types influence clot risk significantly. It's also influenced by histology, by the stage of the cancer, and by the timing of the cancer, where they are in their cancer journey, as we just showed. Finally, all our treatments, to a greater or lesser degree, increase clot risk.
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cancer and prostate cancer much lower rates and then you have the very do bottom end there are people without cancer. So depending on what where the site of cancer is influences clot rates significantly and this is more data from that that
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This is from the Mulder paper, showing the different clot rates in the first twelve months in patients with different types of cancer. Not surprisingly, pancreatic cancer has the highest rates. Many of the typical cancers where we see clots, like liver and biliary, have very high rates, and at the other end of the spectrum you have breast cancer and prostate cancer, with much lower rates, and then at the very bottom are people without cancer. So where the site of cancer is influences clot rates significantly. This is more data from that paper, showing the details. As age goes up, clotting risk goes up. Also, as you go from localized disease to regional disease to metastatic disease, there's an increase in clotting. And patients who have had previous clots before their cancer are at particularly high risk for having a thrombotic event.
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previous clots before their cancer those are they're at particularly high risk for having a thrombotic event.
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These are the risks with the different types of therapies. You can see that almost all of them are between two- to fourfold increased risk.
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And so everything we do to treat the cancer increases thrombosis risk. So that brings me to prevention and um we you know most of the data we have for prevention in hospitalized patients with cancer really is from uh medical
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So everything we do to treat the cancer increases thrombosis risk. That brings me to prevention. Most of the data we have for prevention in hospitalized patients with cancer really come from medical patients. There really aren't any randomized controlled trials looking at hospital prophylaxis for cancer patients. So we've adapted what we do based on the data from the MAGELLAN trial, the PREVENT trial, et cetera. There are data for surgical oncology, so the RECOVER study can help us there, but otherwise the data are basically from medical patients. For all the medical oncology patients, that's an area where we really do need some research done, because there just hasn't been any good medical oncology prophylaxis trial. Now, in the guidelines, as you'll see, we don't have... there are a number of different risk scores out there, with the Khorana score being the most, I guess, the one that's
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on oxycan study that can help us there but otherwise all the data are basically from medical patients for all the medical oncology patients and so that's an area where really we do need some research done that there just hasn't
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been any good s uh medical oncology prophylaxis trials now in the guidelines as you'll see we don't there are a number of different risk scores out there coronic score being the most I guess the one that's best validated the
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first risk score uh those are primarily for ambulatory patients and we don't use those for risk assessment of patients in the hospital and it's because even though they do separate as you can see from the Patel paper and the Parker
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paper they do separate people into different classes of risk low risk people having lower risk of thrombosis during the hospital stay than higher risk people that the whole population of cancer patients whether they're are low risk or high risk have risks that are
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appropriate for prophylaxis. So really they at this point in time none of the risk uh tools that we have for ambulatory patients are used in our in our guidelines and this is what the just now pulling from the guidelines itself. So there you
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don't see a risk tool in our our our uh guideline that basically the only decision point is whether or not you have a contraindication to pharmarmacologic prophylaxis and and if you do then you would get mechanical prophylaxis. If you don't then you get
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pharmacologic prophylaxis. And then these are the different agents here that we have in the uh typical lone liquid hepins fondarex and unfraid hepin. I think important things from this table are that we do recommend uh increasing doses for people at higher
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weights and then decreasing doses for people with lower body weights because um these agents are all influenced by blood volume. That's where their concentrations go. And so you should be adjusting the dose based on the body weight.
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And this is similarly from the surgical on the surgical side of things you have same these same agents. You also have a Pixaban and Reverban because there have been studies done in the surgical oncology patient population with these
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agents. Generally both these agents the trials that used them use lomaloquid hepin for the first week or so before they switched to an oral agent. So most of the patients that you that were getting oral agents were out uh were
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outpatients by that time. But again, we do have the dosing that's adjusted by body weight for both high body weights and low body weights. Um and I think that's something we've certainly integrated in our order sets at Hopkins
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and I think is getting into order sets elsewhere. [snorts] So what about ambulatory prophylaxis?
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These are the first studies that were done and these are with just unselected ambulatory cancer patients. the Protek trial and the Savonco trial um which showed as you can see reductions in thrombosis with use of Nadroparent or in
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this case this is seminalarin a drug that's not on the market anywhere but had as you can see significant reductions in thrombosis risk but the numbers of patients that needed to be treat to treated to prevent one clot are
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especially with a perennial agent are just too high to really make these reasonable for ambulatory cancer patient populations. And so they really even though they're very well done studies show significant impact on clot rates just not something that made sense to to
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do clinically. And so they didn't get any uptake. And that's why I think that's where the uh the corona risk score comes in is that that a a low corona this is I published this back in 2008 looking at a uh database of
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patients with neutropenia and they collected thrombotic events dur in the in that registry and then looked at what risk factors what were the significant risk factors for thrombosis in those patients that were ambulatory cancer patients getting chemotherapy. And then
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these were the the things that were predictive and so came up with this score with uh zero being low, intermediate being one or two and then three or more being high. And this has been validated in probably 50 studies
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now both prospective and retrospective studies and also been used in randomized control trials. And so that's why we still use this as as the u as the risk tool for ambulatory cancer prophylaxis.
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Um now there are other risk scores coming out. These are here's the corona risk score here again. Um this is one of the this looks very promising. It's come out of Baylor University. Ang Lee uh and his group looked at a large patient
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population at Baylor University and their university hospital as well as the VA hospital and as you can see came up with a lot more uh risk uh factors because they had a much larger patient population to look at. So it's it's more
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finely tuned has a greater discrimination uh than the uh the corona risk score and they validated it there at Baylor and have also done so as you'll see in a uh in a very large uh national trial. These
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are they just published this late last year. This was a uh basically validated it in the uh Epic Cosmos database. So, Epic Cosmos includes hundreds of millions of patients that are on the Epic system. And so, they identified
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patients over 700 patients, 700,000 patients, excuse me, that had all the different um variables that were in both models and then looked at how they performed as far as uh u uh predicting risk, predicting a thrombotic event. And
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here you can see the EHR CAT score that you see is um much more finely tuned and you get much higher risk totals here in the high-risisk uh patient populations sevenfold increased risk of thrombosis whereas the corona score you go from
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like one to threefold and the uh the ROC curves are the are more uh impressive as well with the EHR cat score. So I think this is something that going forward if this is validated in prospective studies then I think this will be something that
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we may at some point in the future integrate into the uh into the guideline.
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At this point though what we're using is in the guideline is that if you've got a surgical oncology patient that has had abdominal or or uh pelvic cancer surgery recommending prophylaxis for four weeks after surgery if they're a high-risisk
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patient. And then for patients that are multiple myyoma patients using either the uh the impede VTE score or the save score for risk stratifying those patients whether they should get aspirin or should get a an anti-coagulant prophylaxis agent and then those that
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have solid tumors should we should use the corona risk score for outpatient prophylaxis when they're starting on a new chemotherapy regimen.
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So the reasons why we've gotten more I guess uh been recommending this more are these two studies here that were published several years ago. Um the AVERT trial which used a Pixaban and the Cassini trial which used reveraban. They
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were two randomized trials that basically the one difference was that Cassini screened patients for thrombosis. They got ultrasounds before they got randomized. So if you had a positive ultrasound then you didn't get enrolled whereas avert just took everybody that was starting a new
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chemotherapy regimen and if you had you were intermediate or high risk on the corona score then you were randomized either to a placebo or randomized to a pixaban or in the cassini trial randomized to reveroxaban um and if you look at the on treatment
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results here significant reductions with use of either re reaaban or a pixaban compared to placebo and so These studies I think really validated one the use of the coranoscore as a risk tool and two validated the use of of direct lowd dose
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direct oral anticoagulants for prophylaxis in high-risisk cancer patients. Um and then these are the bleeding risks. They did go up a little bit as you can see in both studies but did not reach statistical significance.
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And so when you look at the uh uh number needed to treat number needed to harm significant you know number needed to harm 100 from on both studies on treatment whereas the number needed to treat only 16 patients to prevent one
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thrombotic event in the uh the uh avert trial and 26 patients in the Cassini trial and so both these numbers of number needed to treat are um certainly in the same ballpark as the number needed to treat for people that have AIB
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and get prescribed anti-coagulation. So that so that's why I think now we're more strongly recommending that people get prophylaxis if you've got a high corona risk score.
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Um, so the reasons to use it, it's easy to calculate. It's been validated in multiple different uh studies um and been used in two placeboc control trials. And it's we've got oral agents now that are that could be used for
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prophylaxis. And so this is right from the guidelines, the dosing for a pixabaroxan. There are also parental agents that have been tested in advanced pancreatic cancer patients. um but generally I don't think are getting much use anymore since the uh averton cassini trials
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and then this is for surgical population again a pixaban and reaver oxaban based on the surgical oncology patients for the uh gundoly study and for the this is from the prolapse 2 study uh for extended prophylaxis out to 21 days
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so now I'm switch gears and talk about superficial vein thrombosis and how to manage that that it's incidence is about 50% of what we see in DVT. So significant number of people every year have a superficial vein thrombosis more
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common in women in people that are older. Most common sites greater saphinous vein and small saffinus vein in the leg and then the basilic syphalic veins in the arm. Risk factors for it cancer surgery varicose veins pregnancy obesity and IV catheters. Um in the
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lower extremities it's important actually to if you have someone has a superficial vein thrombosis above the knee to do imaging because uh about 25% of the time they'll have a a DVT at the same time and at about 10% of the
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superficial vein thrombosis will progress to DVT um if not treated. So again, anti-coagulation used to be we treated these with compresses particularly in the upper extremities or aspirin or non-steroidals but I think the studies now show that anticoagulation is the way to go
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particularly in patients with cancer and that's based on these two studies. Um the Kalisto trial that was done a number of years ago used Fondiparinox.
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It was a randomized control trial. Uh fondiparanox versus placebo for 45 days significantly reduce the risk of progressing to DVT or having a recurrent thrombotic event. Um with really no difference in major and clinically relevant non- major bleeding between the
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two arms. And then the surprise trial was a much smaller study but compared Reveran and Fondiparox. And again both showed that these agents are uh effective for treating PE patients that have a uh an extensive superficial vein thrombosis. So both trials required you
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to have at least 5 cm dur uh length of the superficial vein thrombosis had to be above the knee. So this is not small clots on the toes or or on the surface of your foot or something like that.
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These are clots that are up in the uh above the knee um and of significant size. And this is we've incorporated this into our guidelines so that in the upper extremity um if it's cathreated then that's that's you can use
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compression warm compresses etc. But if it progresses then that that would be a reason for imaging and considering these anticoagulation therapies. If it gets close to the deep system, then therapeutic dosing obviously is appropriate. In the lower extremity,
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it's important to image these if they're above the knee to make sure it doesn't involve the deep system or is close to the deep system. Um, if it's not, then you could use prophylactic dosing. For those that are close to the deep system,
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that is within 3 cmters of it, then you would be using therapeutic anticoagulation for deep vein thrombosis. Um important to get the uh appropriate labs so you can know what uh agents you can use and then venus ultrasound for diagnosis. Uh
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positive obviously go to treatment. If it's negative but the patient's leg looks like they may have a clot then it's worthwhile considering other imaging studies. Uh I can't tell you a number of times where patients have had negative ultrasounds and then you look
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higher, you look into the iliac veins and you see something there and that's why their whole leg is swollen. So if it looks like there's a clot there, then don't take a negative ultrasound as as as being the definitive uh on the fact
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that there's no clot there. And then for location as far as treatments, then anti-coagulation is generally the uh preferred treatments.
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uh if there's no contraindications I guess rarely if you have someone that has a extensive ilophemeral thrombosis that may have um some like ma mayer syndrome where you've got compression of the iliac veins then those would be people you might consider thrombolytic
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or uh a catheter directed mechanical throctomy otherwise anicoagulation is the mainstay if you have a proximal clot and can't use it obviously IVC filters and then continue to look at the appropriateness of anti-coagulation down the line for distal lower extremity. Um
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if you can't anticoagulate then serial ultrasounds are appropriate uh at either three and seven days or seven and 14 days to look for uh and then if you see progression then you would consider anti-coagulation and then for patients that have upper
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extremity clots again um if generally we do anti-coagulation if it's proximal um and if you can't do anulation then I guess serial ultrasounds again would be the appropriate approach Um for catheter related thrombosis generally we try to anti-coagulate um if
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if you can rather than pulling the catheter because generally you need the catheter for ongoing treatment. But if the clots's not if the symptoms are getting better um despite anti-coagulation or there's an infect you have an infected clot then you would
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pull the catheter at that time. But generally anti-coagulation is the first approach to this. Um if you can't anticoagulate then catheter removal is appropriate in that in that instance but generally anti-coagulation is the way we go and then for acute pulmonary embolism
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again lab evaluations uh imaging studies uh CT generally preferred over VQ because of sensitivity um and then of course for uh prognostic purposes uh probn and tropponins Um and then for anticoagulation is generally what we do. But this is all
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based on the severity or clot burden and the clinical significance of the clot. Um and if you have a large clot patients hypotensive um or hypoxic. I think this is a nice uh this is from the recent uh AHA
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guidelines but that that kind of breaks down like what do you do for different severity of clots and I think this kind of schema is used by our per team and I'm sure a lot of your institutions also
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have per teams but that and I think this applies to cancer patients as well that you know if you have uh incidental clots those are outpatient clots if you low symptomatic severity that you got subsegmental clots you're going to
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anticoagulate them but you don't need to bring them out of the hospital. The people you need to bring in the hospital are people that have, you know, increased RV size or symptomatic in pain or shortness of breath, etc. Um, have
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increased biomarkers, then those are people you're going to want to watch and anicoagulate. And then the people that have cardio uh cardopulmonary failure, those are the people that proteins usually get activate a mechan either mechanical throctomy or cathetered
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thrombolyis or surgical throbectomy. Um, and I think the way they lay this out is I like the way it's done.
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Um, so now I'm going to switch gears and talk about some of the agents we use that um, you know, for I guess a number of years dax have been kind of considered as like uh, a class and that
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there are, you know, you can use any one you want to use, but there are definitely differences and they're starting to get teased apart. This, you may have recognized this figure. It's from the uh the Cobra study was just
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published in the last week or so in the New England Journal. This was a large randomized control trial. Did not involve cancer patients but involve patients presenting with acute DVT or pulmonary embolism and then they were randomized to receive either a Pixaban
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or Reveran. Um and what they showed was that um with in for in terms of clinically relevant bleeding there's a significant difference between reaveroxaban and a pixaban that a pixaban is is the safer agent. Um there's no difference as far
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as efficacy is concerned. And so I think we're going to I think move toward a Pixaban being the the uh you know the uh the primary agent the best or the the agent that we're going to use um first
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line if we can for our patients that are going to use a DOAC. Now this is um there are other supporting data that came before this randomized control trial and these studies here are large um and there's these are two but they're
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I'd say probably half a dozen uh administrative data studies looking at the comparison of a pixaban and reaver oxaban uh using propensity score analysis to kind of um I guess equalize all the co-orbidities between the populations and they're showing this cons on a
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consistent basis and these studies did include cancer patients and what you see is that in every study that I've looked at is that reaveroxiban has slightly higher bleeding rates but statistically significant slightly higher uh recurrent thrombosis rates. This is the VTE study
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and then this is a study looking at AIB. you see the same the same answers basically that reverb associates with slightly higher bleeding and recurrent thrombosis rates or stroke rates are higher and so I think that going forward
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we're going to have to think about in the guideline whether we place a pixaban at the top um above the other agents that are in the class of doax um so I think for a summary of like as
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far as treatment of cancer associated thrombosis u doaxs are generally preferred a Pixaban. I think this is something we're obviously going to discuss this year with the Cobra trial coming out and then there's other data from observational the the observational
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literature that also supports that. Um as far as duration of therapy, uh generally it's for as long as the cancer is active, you're g or or you're giving cancer therapy for DVTP or splint vein thrombosis or cerebral venus sinus
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thrombosis. And then for a catheter directed thro or catheter associated thrombosis it's as long as you got the catheter in place or for at least three months uh whichever is uh is longer and then this is just the table from the
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from the guideline itself with a pixabaned oxaban and reaver oxaban all being preferred agents the bigotran lower down because they don't have any cancer specific data and then lomquid hepin is really relegated mostly for patients that are at high risk for
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bleeding if you have upper GI tract cancers where they're at higher risk of having a bleed with the uh the dax.
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Now, I think it's this is a really nice paper that came out uh during the fall of last year that shows that our different cancers have different responses to uh anticoagulation. They also have different outcomes if you follow them as far as recurrent
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thrombotic rates. So, that we shouldn't treat all of them the same. And I think data like this are helpful when you're thinking about using lowd dose a pixaban which from the epicat study that we'll get to in a minute. But this is a this
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is data from the riete registry which is a very large international registry been going on since like 2002 or so. They've accumulated hundreds of thousands of patients. They looked at the data slice since 2012 that would include DOAC
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patients and looked at patients that were getting can had cancer or didn't have cancer and then looked at the 90-day incidence of recurrent VT or a major bleeding. So they compared the cancer patients with a non-cancer patient population being set as at the
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reference and what you see is here for GU patients. Um this is the the recurrent thrombosis rate. This is the major bleeding rate. they overlap so that the the rates are competing. You see this also the same thing in the GI
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uh population that rates of recurrent thrombosis and bleeding are pretty close together. Whereas if you look at lung cancer thrombosis way out much higher rates of recurrent thrombosis than bleeding compared to the uh non-cancer patients same thing with breast cancer
Speaker A
with uh hemologic malignancies which is I found surprising and pancreatic cancer and so this is important data I think to integrate into when we are deciding on who we're going to use lowd dose therapy in that you're going to want to use it
Speaker A
in the patients where the bleeding rates are higher at least that's the way I've approached using this data and that brings us to the epiat study. This was a large randomized control trial looking at patients that had cancer. They
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completed at least six months of therapy with standard therapy uh so median to eight months and they then were randomized to either low dose of pixaman 2.5 twice a day or full dose and then followed for six months. And what you
Speaker A
can see is that VT rates are about the same. No difference between the two arms, but there was a significant difference in the risk of clinically relevant bleeding. Um, and no differences in major bleeding or death.
Speaker A
And so this is uh I guess made it acceptable to kind of think about this.
Speaker A
There was a smaller study, the EVE study done at the Mayo Clinic, and these together have kind of popularized using lowd dose therapy for cancer patients.
Speaker A
But I think it's important to look at what patients were in the study and uh the to make sure you're using it in the same population as they they they were enrolled. And you can see here one that
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these were patients that have been on therapy for about so their cancer was diagnosed 12 months ago roughly when they got enrolled to the study and they'd had six months of or eight months of anti-coagulation.
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Um significant number had metastatic disease. So that's that does mean that we got a pretty sick population, but the the performance status of these patients is really good compared to a lot of the people we see in our anti-coagulation
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clinic. Um also the types of cancer enrolled breast cancer, colurectal cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer. So the cancers that we see lots of patients with but not the most thrombotic pro-thrombotic cancers that when you look at the really bad actors like
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pancreas cancer, gastric cancer, many fewer of those patients were enrolled in this study. And so I'm not using lowd dose therapy in just everybody. I think you have to be um thoughtful about it and look at who was actually enrolled in
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the study. So I think it's patients where you're worried about bleeding and who don't have the really highly prothrombotic cancers.
Speaker A
So what about dax um and cancer surgery? It's important to to know where they're absorbed. So the direct oral anticoagulants all absorbed in like the stomach and the proximal small bowel. uh a pixaban does get absorption in the
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distal small bowel but all the other agents are absorbed proximally and so if you have patients that have undergone whipples or ruin wise really they can't use most of the direct oral anticoagulants and if you're going to use a pixaban which is feasible I I
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measure levels I don't measure levels very often but I use levels of a pixaban to make sure that I'm getting enough of pixaban absorbed that I'm getting in the on treatment range which there are you There are uh there is an on treatment
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range you can look at for the labs that do this um to make sure I'm getting drug levels that are in the therapeutic range so that you're not going to have recurrences and if you're not then I think you have to turn to your
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alternatives primarily low molecuid hepin uh as a treatment and I think the other ones reaveroxaban adoxaban delta uh or and debigotran you really can't use those drugs in people that have had stomach and small bowel removed.
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So conclusions that cancer associated venus throbo emolism important cause for morbidity and mortality. All of our patients should be getting risk appropriate prophylaxis. I think outpatients we should consider patients that have high corona risk scores for for um uh oral prophylaxis with a
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pixaban or rearoxaban. Um I think there are better risk tools that should be available in the next few years. um anticoagulation obviously the first line therapy for patients with thrombosis uh PE patients I think using if you have
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per a per team at your uh at where you practice then that that's a great resource to identify patients that need advanced therapies um patients that are have hypotension hypoxy etc those you would be ones you'd consider for
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throbectomy and I think it's likely that a pixaban is probably the safest agent of the delax And uh the data are certainly lining up that way. Um and something I think we have to consider for our guidelines. Um and I think lowd
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dose of pixaban is an option for cancer patients but I think you have to be really thoughtful about who you use it in so you don't have recurrent events.
Speaker A
And with that just want to make sure I include uh this is a team effort. Our guideline uh we get together several times a year to update the guidelines.
Speaker A
So everything I presented is all their work um not just me. And with that I'd be glad to take questions. Thanks a lot for your attention.
Speaker A
[applause] For for patients that have breakthrough thrombus whether it's Venus or arterial what kinds of advice do you give the um you know people on terms of work up and next steps?
Speaker A
Yeah good question. So um I guess obviously adherence is a big issue. So you have to you um have to the patient has to be taking the therapy to so that's you're looking to if there's a way to look at adherence you look at
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that um look for with DVT you look for uh vascular compression in areas because people have mayer thoracic outlet syndrome or cancers causing similar physiology then you're going to get recurrence there regardless of therapeutic levels. Um if uh also look
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for drug interactions if people are on there there are certain drugs that uh accelerate the metabolism of the doax.
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So you have to be careful with those or if have they had surgery that would make them not a good candidate for a DOAC. Um if they're recurring through you don't have a good reason for it. I guess you
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could think about antifphospid syndrome. I I don't find that that often in in cancer patients, but I look for it if they if I can't figure out a reason as to why they they've recurred. Um and then I looid hepin I usually go to a
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different agent. So if they're on let's say a pixabayan they have a recurrence look for antifphos lipid syndrome look for reasons why they like a vascular uh reason why they have their recurrence and then put them on low you know lomid
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hepin I would use if they had antifosalid syndrome then warin would be an option too although really I'd probably stick with low micprin uh because if you're can cancer patient warin is hard to treat somebody someone who has cancer it's hard to treat them
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with warin very difficult world challenging. I had a question. Um, hi, I'm Kem. I'm from Johns Hopkins. Um, for the differences that you're seeing in the data for a Pixaban and uh, riveroxaban over here. [laughter] Oh. Oh, sorry.
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Um are the pharmacocinetics of dosing or absorption responsible for that or what do you think's contributing to the why there's a I think it is pharmaccoinetics. Yeah. So I think that uh a pixaban I think the dosing of it is
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more rational for the halflife of the drug that a pixaban has a a 12-h hour halflife. Uh reaveroxiban actually has a halflife that's a little shorter than that in most populations. Um, but to get them through a 24-hour dosing cycle,
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they raised the dose of the drug. And I think that was a decision made early on by the the pharmaceutical companies because adherence tends to be better with a once daily drug, but unfortunately um I think it's that
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pharmacocinetically it'd be better to be a drug that's given twice a day. also think that a pixel just is it's a different chemical too but and it's but I think it's its dosing is rational for its for its uh for its half-life and I
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think that's you don't get as high a peaks um I'd say also reveraban has more renal clearance which is a problem in older populations and so that may be contributing to why we're see you see more bleeding in patients compared to a
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pixavan where it's renal clearance is only 25% of the clearance where it's at least 33% up to 60% of clearance in your re in patients with reverivance. So if you have limited renal function then you're going to have higher higher drug
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concentrations more likely to bleed. So I think that I think that's the reason why.
Speaker A
Um can you speak a little bit in regards to how you monitor the like anti-10A for um epics abandoned patients who've had like small bowel resections or portion of the colon removed and what do you do if that level is not therapeutic?
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Yeah. So then if so what I would do is you have to get it timed right. So two to three hours after the dose and if it's not in the on treatment range you're looking at a peak you don't look
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at troughs because the most of the uh most of the labs don't give you a trough level so I look at peaks if they're not in the peak if they're not in the appropriate peak range and generally in
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what I've seen in people that uh if they're on a delac and a not enough's being absorbed is the level will be far below or even it won't be detectable as I've seen that in a number of people who
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are discharged on veroxaban and had a whipple and there'll be very little to no drug there at all and in that case you have to go to either a pixaban or you have to go to a low lomoquid hepin a
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pixaban I usually with with the whipples we get people's drug concentrations are in the therapeutic range because they get the distal you get the distal small bowel absorption but if they weren't then I would switch them to a low liquid
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hepin or fondarox you just have to because I'd be worried about recurrence rates Um, so, uh, I'm Mitch from MD Anderson.
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I feel like, uh, I've been getting, um, more calls from radiology of incidental findings of pees, subsegmental, really, really small. When I look at the imaging, I have to like squint my eyes to convince myself. And I don't know if
Speaker A
it's because of the the use of AI kind of finding more of these small uh these small clots but and you know you call the patient they feel totally fine. Um in those situations do you consider just not treating or is there a framework
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that you have of deciding when to not treat incidental tees? Good question. Um I would say that uh there aren't cancer specific data in the incidental VT you know incidental PE there are there is a a registry study
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from Canada that looked at if you have a single if you have negative ultras first you look and see if there's any DVT because that totally changes things if they have a DVT then you got to treat them for sure but in this registry study
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they excluded anybody that had a DVT and then looked at either had isolated subset pulmonary ambism or if you multiple sub-segmental events. Everyone that had segmental events and and more proximal got treated. And then they looked and see how people did. And the
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recurrence rates are about 3% in a 3-month period of time in the isolated subsegmentals at about five or so percent in the people that had multiple sub-segmental events. So that's those are pretty high rates I would say. And
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that's not a cancer patient population. So I think your recurrence rates are going to be higher. So generally even though some of these clots that we're getting called are dots, you wonder if they're dots and not clots. But because
Speaker A
they're cancer patients, I treat I tend to treat them unless they're really really high bleeding risk. Like obviously we get called all the time by neurosurgery patients that are right, you know, just had surgery. You're not going to be putting them on anything
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right away. And then we do the go through the ultrasounds looking for look for clot there. If there there's no clot there, then we generally hold off on filters. If you had someone that had clot below, then I would obviously I'd
Speaker A
put a filter in, but not just for a a single subsegmental. So, I would treat I generally treat them if they're a patient that's an anti-coagulation candidate. I would treat them.
Speaker A
Hi, Mark from Michigan. Thanks for the talk. Sure. So the the data on the river rock band and the bleeding is quite striking.
Speaker A
Do you recommend River Oxban to your patients and uh I guess you know what's the flaw in in the like why hasn't the guidelines caught up with the data that you presented?
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Well I would say one up to now it's been observational data. Um so it's been large like market scan database the large databases and so generally observational data alone doesn't move the needle most of the time for for
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guidelines. I think with the Cobra trial now I think that's we're going to obviously have discussions to see if that moves the needle. Cobra didn't include cancer patients but a lot of these other observational databases do include cancer patients and you see the
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same trends. So I think it's the fact that the Cobra trial I think is making a big difference. So we have a randomized trial now showing the same thing that you've seen in multiple observational data sets. So I think that's making the
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difference for why I think we're going to start taking it more seriously. But I I don't know. We'll see. But you know I'm one out of 30 people. So maybe we'll vote. We'll we'll decide it's not enough data because it's not cancer specific
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data. But I can see that if if this is happening in patient without cancer cancer patients higher bleeding risk I would think that we probably should take it seriously and say that a pixaban is the uh first choice therapy among doax
Speaker A
and now what do I do in my own patients you know a lot of it comes down to um well how if they have good renal function or not have good renal function how you know what what you know liver
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function but renal function plays a role in it. If they if they're higher bleeding risk patients, lower platelet counts are something that I'm try I'm trying to get them on a pixaban. But it also comes down to insurance. Like
Speaker A
sometimes you just can't if they if you can't get them on it and they're not a high bleeding risk patient that I I have people on reaveran because that's what their insurance will cover and it'll be extraordinarily expensive for them to be
Speaker A
on a Pixaban. But in general, I I favor a Pixaban for all my patients if I can get it for them.
Speaker A
Thank you. There we go. Um I'm Jesse from Fred Hutchinson Udub. Um I had another comment about the Cobra data. So if you look at the um curves of those bleeding incidents in both the Eixaban and Riveroxaban group, it looks like
Speaker A
most of the events happen during the loading doses um and riveroxaban is 21-day loading dose versus the 14-day loading dose for Eixaban. So I wonder if some of that increased risk comes from that extra week of the loading dose. Um, that being
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said, sort of thinking about the data in that sort of through that lens, you know, if somebody's on riverox already and doing well without any issues with the bleeding, I'm not sure the data really suggests switching to a pixaban
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for sure. No, I'm thinking they already through that. I mean, most of your bleeds happen up front. They which is the other, you know, bleeding usually announces itself in the first few months or so of therapy. So, that's could be
Speaker A
part of that all. I mean people are going to bleed are going to bleed once you start them on therapy but it could be the loading doses too. I mean I know actually looking at that we uh in
Speaker A
patients we're using a Pixaban who are on dialysis we don't generally do the loading unless they have a really bad clot. We generally don't do the loading dose for a Pixaban. We're using alternative anti-coagulation if they're in the hospital and not doing loading a
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Pixaban because we are worried about the higher levels in people that have extremely limited renal function. So, but it could be that could be that that it's the difference in the lo you know the ones a week versus three weeks of
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loading and that may and uh yeah could be that or it could be just that's when people bleed you know and they bleed up front everybody bleeds up front if they're once they get started on anti-coagulation.
Speaker A
Hi um this is Marva from uh Indiana University. Um thank you for this talk.
Speaker A
It's really very helpful. Uh one of the challenging situations sometimes we uh see in the inpatient setting uh patient who has like um either um metastatic liver disease or underlying liver disease with coagulopathy um elevated INR at baseline. So I wonder
Speaker A
what what what is your approach for anticoagulation with tox in in in this population especially with patient with like baseline INR of two or one point like 1.8 8 1.9 for example.
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Yeah. So for DOAX um as long as they I mean if you have someone that does as long as they don't have child's you know child pew class C those patients you can't put on a DOAC really their liver functions you can't
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put them on any of the doaxs. Um otherwise for A and B you could use a direct oral anti-coagulant not worry about the INR. If you have if you're going to use warrin then um you could use factor you could use factor 10
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levels to see what you know what's your INR what's a good INR for your patient because the INR as you know is very sensitive to it's a good measure of factor 7 with factor 7 you don't care about with warfination what you're
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worried about is factor 2 and factor 10 so I would measure one of those uh factor levels to make sure that when your INR is 2 to that you've got your factor 10 levels, you know, between 20 and 35% that's where you're shooting for
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with warin. Um, but we generally I generally try to avoid warin in the cancer patient population. It's just so hard to use. But that's what I do. And we also do that with our APS patients.
Speaker A
Some about five to 10% of APS patients that have lupusencoagulants. those antibodies will affect your your INR and you can't use the INR to uh to accurately dose warfin and so we look at chromogenic factor 10 activity levels in
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those patients to find the right INR and interestingly you'll find some people that need INRs of 2.5 to 3.5 or 3 to four to be really therapeutic when you're looking at 108 chromatogenic factor 10 activity levels which is why I
Speaker A
think some APS patients recur in the standard range is because the antibodies affecting the lab test we're using for for monitoring.
Topics:cancer-associated thrombosisvenous thromboembolismDVTpulmonary embolismanticoagulationDOAClow molecular weight heparinKhorana scoreNCCNoncology











