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Coming up on the two-part reunion for Temptation Island season 2. You good? You good? Let it out. I don't count that 'cause I cheated on her. Oh, I just wanted to chat.
Extended reunion of Temptation Island S2 cast discussing relationships, growth, and aftermath of the show.
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Key Takeaways
- Temptation Island challenges couples to confront trust and fidelity issues.
- Emotional honesty and accountability are crucial for relationship growth.
- Not all couples survive the experience, but many gain clarity about themselves.
- The show serves as a catalyst for self-improvement and reflection.
- Support from friends and family plays a significant role post-show.
What the video covers
- The reunion features cast members from Temptation Island season 2 reflecting on their experiences.
- Hosts Nick and Natalie guide conversations about relationship challenges and personal growth.
- Couples discuss their reasons for joining the show and the impact it had on their trust and connection.
- Jack and Cheyenne share their initial reluctance and eventual participation as an alternate couple.
- Cast members reveal emotional moments, including heartbreak, manipulation, and self-reflection.
- Discussions include how the show affected their relationships post-filming and lessons learned.
- The reunion highlights both the successes and failures of couples navigating temptation.
- Humor and lighthearted banter balance the intense emotional revelations.
- Sponsors and breaks are integrated into the reunion format.
- The reunion is split into two parts, with this being the extended cut of part one.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Opening Remarks
- 02:58Cast Arrival and Initial Banter
- 06:50Hosts Welcome Cast and Set Reunion Tone
- 16:50Discussion on Decision to Join Temptation Island
- 21:36Jack and Cheyenne’s Story and Convincing Process
- 30:36Emotional Reflections and Relationship Challenges
- 51:47Sponsors and Breaks
- 63:52Further Relationship Insights and Lessons Learned
- 83:00Emotional Moments and Accountability
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You didn't sound like a chat. Shh. I just wanted to chat. Alcohol is honestly what [ __ ] killed me.
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That's not who [music] you are. And we all know that that's not who you are.
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But what are these little lies? I'm thinking of one right now. Which one are you thinking of?
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He told me, "If we don't go on the show, I'll think about it for the rest of my life." This is my first real actual girlfriend.
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Nick got a DM from Oh my god. I see him and I [music] love him. It was just like a bad cycle and that needed to be broken, but it was breaking me.
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I know he loves me wholeheartedly without [music] a doubt. Is there any part of you that has just a little bit of hope?
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Um [music] the main takeaway for us is I feel way more secure now. And that's what's made everything so much better for us.
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So, what were your intentions? What did you want to say? What the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
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You can't speak to [music] women like you would a guy. I let the manipulation get to me. I let people's words get to me.
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Why did you get so drunk? I hated it there. [music] It looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting [ __ ] Can we stop? We were together and then we broke up [music] and No, wait, wait, wait. As a man, my ego
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is like a little shot. I'm like, they didn't put this scene. I pushed a hole in a wall.
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You're good. No, it's not that I'm good. I'm speaking [music] the [ __ ] truth.
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Part one of the Temptation Island season 2 reunion starts now. Here we go. How are we going to next to me?
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Hi, Gorgie. Gorge. Hello. Hello. Hello. You look nervous, actually. Are you nervous? A little bit.
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I'm nervous. [laughter] Is the camo like a metaphor for not wanting to be seen and to hide [laughter] while you're here?
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Honestly, Summit's wearing camo, too, I guess. Are these real? Yes, they're real. Are these real? I think Why are you touching them?
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Oh, I was going to give you a rose. Oh, I just want to be as close to Sydney [music] as possible for this short amount of time.
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Oh my. All right, we're already starting. There we [laughter] go. Let's do everybody's mic one by one.
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One, two, three, four, five, six. Are we ready? Yep. Okay. Let's have some fun, guys.
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Hello everyone. Welcome to the Temptation Island season 2 reunion. We are your hosts. I'm Nick and I am Natalie. We are so excited to welcome the cast of Temptation Island season 2.
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This season, there were a lot of tears, a lot of messy behavior, and a lot of heartbreak. With temptation at an all-time high, only one couple survived the island, leaving together.
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Others left alone, while a new couple emerged. Today is all about what's happened since everyone left the island.
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During this reunion, we want to unpack it all. Where everyone is at, where they've been, and above all else, what they've learned from their experience.
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Cheyenne, you look gorgeous. Thank you. [laughter] You're welcome. You look great. Thank you. Thank you.
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Jack, you're blonde now. Blonde. What was the motivation behind that? I did it like three years ago and I was like, you know what? I want to change.
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That show just put me through a lot. Blond Jack is like more chill. Okay. Who do you trust more, Blond Jack or brunette? Okay. [laughter] Wait, I thought his hair was blonde.
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Summit, how is your mom? Uh, she's good. Yeah, everything's good. Um, you know, it's been exciting watching the show with my friends and family and a lot of like support overall.
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Did you two coordinate the mustache or what's what's going on there? No. Well, he's wearing my pants. Those are my pants. [laughter] He copied my mustache. Kylie, do you approve of the mustache?
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I do. I love the mustache and the mini mullet. She kind of doing it for me.
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Yeah. Was the one who like pushed the mustache and now now I'm liking it. So, okay.
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Sydney, have you been serenaded by any guitars recently? Um, not lately, but definitely, you know, on the island for sure.
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Okay, we'll circle back. I think we'll circle [laughter] back for that. We will. Mikey, you look great these days. I appreciate that. What's new about you?
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Um, it's been it's it's been a good it's been a good life, truthfully. Just been focused on the betterment of myself.
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Okay. Putting Mikey first. Cole, are you reading anything currently? Reading. Yeah, like a book or a journal or [laughter] a journal or diary or dive right in.
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That was good. Yeah, I've actually since the show probably upped my journaling and reading a lot.
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He's reading his own journal. Not reading her journal. [laughter] There you go. My own journal. Maybe the newspaper sometimes. I don't know. Or something.
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Scarlet, how did it feel to have two men crying for you? Bradley was I think the crying kind of like threw me off at the end just because it was I don't know. I mean I could tell that there was like so
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much love there, but for me it was such an amazing friendship that really got me through such a hard time. There's his side and then there's my side. And I don't know, it was it was a hard situation.
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Well, we are going to unpack all of each relationship as we go through this reunion. But where I want to start is why the heck did you guys agree to go on Temptation Island? Obviously, this is a show that has an unconventional premise,
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coming on with your partner and allowing your partner to engage with singles. But what I love about the show, in the words of your wonderful host, Mark Wahlberg, this is a show that really unpacks a lot of the interesting layers about
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relationships, why they work and why they don't work. So, I'd love to just go around the room and just from each couple or former couple, how did you guys come to the decision to go on Temptation Island? And just from an
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individual standpoint, I'd love to hear like what each person was hoping to get out of going on Temptation Island. So, maybe I'll start with Jack and Cheyenne.
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How did you guys come to going on Temptation Island? It was fully Jack's idea to go to Temptation Island. I was not for it when he first brought it up. I was like, "Not [ __ ] [laughter] happening. That is
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not happening." And then I don't know, he just kind of convinced me. He was like, "I think if we can get past this, like we can get past anything." [laughter] And yeah, so I agreed to go and we did
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the experience. We learned what we learned. But I think ultimately I was just looking to like fully trust him after the show and I don't think that quite went in my favor.
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Yeah, it seems like it went maybe the opposite. But I wouldn't take anything back from what happened on the island. It is what it is and life moves on.
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How long did the convincing process take for him to get you on board? I would say it took a couple months because even honestly all the way up to when we left. I didn't even show up to the last meeting like the like with the
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executives because I knew what was going to happen and so it was just kind of like I don't want to do it but I don't know I forced myself to do it and no I no no no no I'm the one who I was
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like I'm not going I was like Jack's so determined he showed up [laughter] she's good for it no I was like I'm not going on the meeting like I think this is a terrible idea and then Jack did his little
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talking and he was like oh she just doesn't feel well or whatever his excuse was and then we ended up going. But we went we went in as the alternate couple.
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So Oh, technically we weren't supposed to be on the show when you found out you were going to be on the show. What was that conversation like?
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We went out there like honestly expecting to fly out there, go through all the stuff and then fly right back home.
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That was our our hope a little bit and her well her hope. Okay. And then I got and then we got there and then we went through everything and then they came obviously came to our room and told us and then we
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were just like kind of looked at each other and we're k
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We heard a rumor there might have been a fight. Yeah. Um there was a couple fights in the hotel.
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Couple arguments. Yeah. I wouldn't say fight. Argument. Arguments the right word. Yeah. Yeah. Why were you so unhappy about the idea of you guys going on this show?
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Because I I knew deep down like what was going to happen? I just knew. And so I was just I just had to accept it. I was just like he wants to do this. Let's just do it.
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Was there any part of you that thought like if you want to do this show that bad, maybe we should just end it here right now?
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Yes. I feel like that thought did go through my head, but I as much as I knew it was going to happen, I still had that like little bit of hope that was like we're going to make it
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out. we've been together for so long that this could end in like a way that I would feel is like a dream come true, right? And that [ __ ] failed.
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Sydney, you brought Mikey to the island, right? I did. Okay. So, why did you want to come?
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So, with Mikey, when it um when the opportunity presented itself and I brought it to him, he was like, "Absolutely not." He had watched the show multiple times, multiple seasons, and okay, am I correct me if I'm wrong.
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Okay, bet. So, he had watched multiple seasons. I had never watched it. I had watched it with him like three episodes and I was like, oh, like we had talked about it before and we were like, "What if this was us?" And then like when they
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when they reached out, I was like, "Oh, let me talk to him." He was like, "Absolutely not. We're not doing it." And I was just like, "Well, in the past like we've talked about different shows like this and dating shows." I was like,
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"So, why not give it a try?" Um, and then that's when I reached back out to the casting producer and I was like, "Yeah, he's not going for like he doesn't want to do it." And then they were like, "Well, let's just hop on a
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call and we can talk to him, talk him through it and see if he changes his mind." And at the end of that, he said, "You know what? Let's go through the application process." And that's what it was.
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What were you hoping to get out of it? because obviously your guys' storyline was one of you feeling like Mikey wasn't showing up in your relationship the way you had hoped or you felt like he was taking you for granted and things like
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that. So I think with this show we always expect to hear that the men wanted to go like Jack and Cheyenne, you know, in in a way that like Cheyenne kind of suspected that maybe Jack was hoping this was an opportunity
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to meet other ladies, but like I think it's more of a surprise when you hear it from your end. What were you thinking this would do for your relationship going in?
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So, when we originally got into our relationship once he graduated college, it was like he was a completely different person that I didn't recognize. So, what he was telling me sounded good, but it's like I hadn't seen the actions. So, it's like when the
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show reached out, I was like this would be a good way for me to see if he has changed and if he is the person that he's telling me that he is. So, that's why I wanted to go. And what was I know
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you called yourself a dog a lot and kind of you know you called yourself a hoe.
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[laughter] Um what did that actually look like? So what it looked like was when me and Mikey first met I didn't know who he was on campus. I was a transfer to&C. I transferred from a different college. So
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I wasn't like aware that he was like the big host on campus like he was well known and everything like that. So I'm just talking to him like trying to see what it could be. And when we start
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sleeping together and getting romantic, then that's when other people come to me and they're like, "Oh, he actually is talking to like like he has a girlfriend." And I was like, "What do you mean he has a girlfriend?" So that
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from the jump like made me take a step back and be like, "Oh, like I'm done." Mikey like I did not talk to him for two years in college after that. Then that's why when he came back around when he
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graduated and it was like, "Oh, I'm this new person." I'm like, "Why should I believe that?" Mikey, I'm curious. How about you? When Cydney wanted to come on the show, how did you first initially receive it?
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She picked me up from the airport cuz I had a show and she brought it up to me and I wish I wish I still had the video to show you cuz it's so funny. She said, "Yeah, we can go to Temptation Island."
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And I looked at her and I said, "Fuck no." And she said and she cut off the camera [laughter] viral that video. But my biggest but my biggest thing was I saw the look in her eye and I was very
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timid to the opportunity but talking to whoever who was it again? Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When we were talking to Chris and everything and just hearing like the passion she had behind it truthfully like that's my best friend.
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If she told me to jump off of a bridge I'd ask how high. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. So, it's just on the side of just like I always want to support whatever she put in front of me.
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And same way how I know she'll always support whatever I put in front of her.
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So, it would be it would be wrong for me to tell her no. Well, you were a fan of the show, so you kind of knew the risk going into it.
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Yeah. Thousand thousand. I doubt it was fake, guys. I thought all this was fake.
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I'm like, "Oh, yeah. Island Hawaii. It's fake. It has to be fake." Truthfully, I thought all of this was fake. I was like, "There's no way this is real." What? If you go there with your girlfriend, you guys obviously are like,
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"You guys are going home together." But you watched the show. I didn't know. I thought it was fake. I thought all them were actors. Thought everybody was an actor. They give you a script. They're just like, "Yo, this is
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how it goes down." No, that shit's real. That [ __ ] is [ __ ] That's [laughter] a [ __ ] experience. Oh my gosh. despite you thinking it was fake and everyone else was an actor. I am curious like
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what did you think you needed to do to get through to the other side with Sydney? Like was it just not hooking up with someone?
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Thousand%. I truly just thought I truly believed that if I just flirt, show [snorts] my personality, get through it, we good.
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Okay. But if I touch somebody, if I did anything, if I touched somebody in there, I would be screwed. I would be on a cross. I would.
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You thought she wanted to watch you flirt. My biggest thing is when we went into the experience, it it was very I knew I knew the risk. I was like, you you have to go on dates. You have to be in these
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romantic ass settings. And they're beautiful. But just because you're in romantic settings doesn't mean that you have to, you know.
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No. And that's totally true. But it's still on the side of just like conversation.
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But c certain conversations didn't No. And I understand that cuz I mean the biggest thing from what I watched is my mouth got me in trouble and I was the most immature person that was on that television show out of everybody here. I
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was the most immature and it was embarrassing to watch back. So well no I was way more immature than Jack.
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We'll definitely unpack you guys later. I do want to go back to Jack. Hearing Shannon say she knew it was going to happen. She knew it was going to happen.
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Do you agree with her? Do you feel like you were kind of destined to end up doing what you did?
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going on to the show, like the one thing for me and we talked about was and they all heard it too when we first got there was don't drink alcohol just because I knew that and mind you I
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I changed myself from that. I I I what's what's really cool about the show I didn't change myself actually been working on myself.
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There we go. But what's really cool about the show is I get to reflect on who I am as a person and who I was nine months ago. And alcohol is honestly what [ __ ] killed me. I mean I
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So did you did you think you were going to cheat on me going into the show?
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No. Sorry, off track. No, I didn't think I honestly No, I didn't. Why did you want to go on the show? Like why why were you so determined to convince her to do it? Just because prior to the show, like before, like our
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relationship was super rocky. Like we would I mean we'd argue all the time. I feel like we just weren't happy. We'd spend every day together. And I mean every single day all day.
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I spent every day with my wife. I don't say it like that. [laughter] No, but I mean he was [laughter] No, I'm talking like she's sitting on the lap while I'm taking a [ __ ] in the bathroom.
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Oh my god. Shut the [laughter] [ __ ] up. Oh my god. I'm just kidding. [laughter] But honestly though, don't be saying that.
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But honestly though, [laughter] what? No, it just we just had troubles before going onto the the island.
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Okay. Summit and Kaye, who which one of you's idea was it to go on the show? I mean, she had initially brought it to my attention and but she was like very tentative when she did bring it to me
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and I was kind of like excited about the opportunity. Very excited. Excited. [laughter] It was pretty it was like a crazy almost like in a you almost regretted suggesting it.
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Well, they reached out to me as a single and we had broken up at this point and I responded cuz I was like, you know what?
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Like let's just see what happens. I would never go on that show as a single now looking back. But I responded and then we got back together and then casting reached out to me like the week we got back together which was like
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weird timing and then I brought it up to him as a joke and was just like oh my god Temptation Island like reached out and he was like oh my god like [laughter] this is so sick like ask them if they're
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casting couples and yeah why did you guys break up before you want to talk you want to go um yeah I mean we talk about it on the show and this is really the reason we event on the show is just my inability
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to like commit to a relationship and just kind of like give more of myself to a relationship for me before the show.
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It that was just really scary. And I think I had this thing in my head where I was like if you commit to a relationship like 100% it means you have to like get married and get the dog the
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next day. And I think that's something the island taught me is that's not the case. like you can still be 100% committed to someone and like give them a lot of time and energy without it meaning like you're getting married
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tomorrow. But anyways, we went on the show basically just so I could like get over my commitment issues and that's why we broke up initially is I just wasn't giving enough to the relationship.
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Yeah. And I honestly didn't want to go on the show at all and he told me if we don't go on the show I'll think about it for the rest of my life. So that's I was sort of left with a like do I do
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this for him situation. It feels like almost like an ultimatum. Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] Well, we will attack that.
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Um I mean that's deep. I I don't think that that's you look like deer in the headlights right now.
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Yeah. I just don't think that I put that much intensity into it. But Okay.
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Well, we'll we'll unpack that uh later this episode. Cole and Scarlet, uh love to hear from you guys about how you guys ended up on Temptation Island. So, I got reached out to on Instagram. Okay. And I saw the message and I was like,
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absolutely not. Didn't reply. And then some time went by and I was like, would we be okay? So, I brought it up to Cole and I was like, hey, like there's this.
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And we said, let's do the first interview. After that, I was like, I don't think it's a good idea. Like, I don't think we should do this. We were working on our relationship. There was a lot that we were going through and
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[laughter] I was like, this is not smart. And then he said, Scar, let's just try. let's just do it. And I was like, are you sure? So, we continued to go through and then we, you know, we both agreed. We're like, all right,
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let's do it. Like, we clearly have a lot of trust issues right now. And at this time, we were thinking, oh, if we can make it through Temptation Island and not cheat, which like that's the bare minimum. Then we'll the trust issues
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will be gone and we'll be good at the end of this. And so, that was kind of like the agreement going on. And so, yeah, we agreed to go and it's pretty much how it happened.
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You agree with Yeah. what I remember. Yeah, something like that. I think it was kind of like me going like, let's try it out, go through like the process, which is so long, you know, to even get on a show like that. And it just kept
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kind of snowballing to the next round of interviews. And before you know it, we're on like a family trip in Lake Tahoe and we're sneaking up to the bedroom upstairs to do an interview. And then, yeah, next week we're flying to
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Hawaii. So, honestly, a little surprised to hear that you had the reluctance and you were the one who almost kind of encouraged you guys to go.
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I don't think I encouraged it or it was reluctance. I think it was like she, you know, she got reached out to, she obviously has gone on reality TV before and we talked about it and then it was
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like I think it just like let's just try the interview, but we were so at like a lower stage where I didn't think like we were going to like get to like the point of like we want you on the show.
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Mhm. And so we just kind of like went through with it, but like I mean I'll say it was like a mutual agreement. We both signed the contract and went on. So wasn't like know maybe similar to the other couples like we didn't force
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each other. It wasn't like if you don't do this like I'm breaking up with you or we were like I think it Yeah. I think if we both were like hey we don't do it or we just want to do it
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like we wouldn't have done it and like it we just wouldn't have done it. So it wasn't like a end all be all just we both agreed.
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Now Scarlet this wasn't your first time on reality TV right? No. I did Below Deck which was way [ __ ] easier. Like I imagine we were living on a yacht and it was it was still really hard. Well, one of the
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things actually, one of the reasons I thought [snorts] this would be good for us was because even that you're put in these situations where it really does force you to grow and look inward. And so I told him going into it, I was like,
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it's going to be like so hard, you know, and you don't even realize, but then once you get there, it's like things come up and like you're just put on the spotlight and, you know, under all of this pressure. And so I said, you know,
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if anything comes to this, like let's just really use this opportunity for growth. And I think that was another reason that I thought it would be good for us.
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Okay, we will definitely get to each couple to unpack each relationship, but leaving the show, we only had one couple leave together, Kaye and Summit. Are you guys still together?
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Yeah. Yeah, we are. Okay. And are the rest of you still broken up? Yes, we're together.
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We're together. You guys are together. Scarlet and Cole, y'all are back together. All right. Love it.
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I'm excited to find out how that that happened. Jack and Cheyenne, y'all are still broken up.
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Yeah. Yep. Okay. Mutual. Oh, got it. Okay. [laughter] Of course. Okay. Sydney and Mikey, y'all are also not together.
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And we're back to part one of the Temptation Island season 2 reunion. Maybe it makes sense to kick things off with the one couple that left the island together, Kaylee and Summit. With Summit's slight slip and slide and
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Kayle's realization that she deserved basic respect from her partner, these two lovers may not have looked like they were going to make it out together. But after the beach did its magic, Summit and Kaye decided to give it another go.
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Move in and get a dog. Sometimes love really does win. So, did you two move in together and get a dog? [laughter] Not yet, but it's coming.
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We haven't moved in together. We haven't got a dog or both. Neither. Neither. How long How many months has it been since you guys filmed?
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Like eight or nine months. Eight or nine months. Yeah. Um we we want to move in and get the dog like ASAP. It's just kind of the realities of life that can make things like prolong that process. Um but like
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if I could move in with Kaylee tomorrow, I would. Like I'm sick of my So it doesn't feel we are both aligned on still wanting that.
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Yeah. which is and we need the the house to get the dog. We've even considered getting the dog not living together, but that seems problematic.
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We really wanted to have the wiener dog to pull out at this podcast. I mean, like, where where's that?
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I didn't bring it physically here, but I brought it to LA. Okay. [laughter] Just in case.
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It just comes everywhere with us. In case you find a dog. Yeah. No, literally. [laughter] And your dad said on wiener dog?
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Yeah. Yeah. What's funny is I never thought in a million years I would get a wiener dog and she just keeps pointing out cute wiener dogs over like the last year we've been together and now all of a
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sudden I want a wiener dog. She like brainwashed me into wanting one. Yeah. Well, we're definitely excited to hear more about your relationship and how it's grown since Temptation Island. But I do want to go back to kind of where
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your relationship was when you went on Temptation Island. And there was obviously I think the big theme with you guys was one of the themes was centered around some comments summit that you made about Kaye. And as difficult as I'm
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sure that was for both of you to talk about on the show, I do think it's honestly like relatable for relationships for maybe a well-intentioned guy to say something that we put our foot in our mouths a lot
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sometimes, but at the same time, it doesn't stop maybe us hurting our partners with our words. And so I guess just for context, could you guys just kind of like I feel like we had an idea of what happened, but you guys never
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really spoke about the specificity of like what that conversation looked like where you found his words so hurtful when talking about your body.
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There's a reason I didn't bring it up at the final bonfire. It's because that was something I never wanted to speak on publicly. Okay.
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And it wasn't this like main driving issue in our relationship, but the show sort of dialed in on that. Okay. and made that a big part of it. And that's just that was never my intention. He has said things in the past that hurt me and
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those are things you can't erase. Like you hear those little comments and you never have mal intent when you say them and then you hear them and you think them in the back of your head and it hurts, right? As a woman, it hurts to
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feel like you're not enough. But since being like on the show and since him realizing that saying those little things is so hurtful, he has like never said a word again. like we have never had an issue with this sense.
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And I'm just curious like how how did you learn that lesson? Because again it sounds like even hearing from Kaylee that she never thought you were coming from a place of trying to hurt her.
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Yeah. So how what was the lesson that you learned to realize like walk me through like old summit and what you might have thought was okay to say and now how have you learned to like you know what maybe I'm just going to
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shut my mouth. Yeah. No, I mean it was obviously with never like any sort of maliciousness and I think it really stems from just this idea that like Kaye is only my second serious relationship ever. And I think
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I'm just learning and I've learned, you know, Temptation Island is like the gauntlet. Like it's like a pressure cooker where it basically expedites that like tenfold. And I feel like I learned so much on the island. And I just
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learned that you can't speak to women like you would a guy is kind of like, you know, I grew up with two younger brothers and a single mom who's like hardcore and there was just not a lot of
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like I don't know like delicate women walking around, you know, and I guess I'm just was getting used to that and you know it was just silly dumb things that I never meant with any sort of maliciousness. But now I know, you know,
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because of Mark and seeing how much it hurt Kaye, I don't know. Now it's now it seems, I guess, just more obvious that like, okay, I can understand how that would upset someone.
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And you know, Kaylee knows that I think she's literally like the most beautiful girl on the planet. And I tell her that every day. But it doesn't matter if you tell a girl a billion times a day, she's
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the most beautiful girl on the planet because she's only going to remember that time where you're like, you know, and don't say whatever your example is.
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[laughter] Just keep the example to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So, do you remember what you said? Um I well I mean once again not defending myself but it it is these scenarios where it's exactly what was talked about in the
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show where Mark you know Kayla would come to me and be like I want to grow my butt and then I'd be like okay do squats and then she'd be like oh okay so now you're like think it wasn't just that there was other
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comments made. So I I don't Yeah, I don't know the other comments. That that was the comment of the one on the show. So you had a very meaningful conversation with your mom prior to the final bonfire. Why was it so important for you
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to talk to your mom before that? My mom is just Yeah. has like always been everything for me. She was mom and dad and superhero and she's just always been my rock and like there for me and she's the first person I go to for
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advice as my family, my mom, my brothers and it just seemed like an obvious for me to contact my mom and it was crazy how she knew exactly what I was going through.
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I just don't think it's fair that we didn't get to call our moms. Yeah, I would have liked to have called my mom and cried every day.
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Well, I didn't get that. wanted to call her and then they were like, "You can call her." But you called her every day?
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No. No. [laughter] They said it needed to be on camera. Okay. So, that was like the And has she watched the show? How did she feel about it?
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Yeah. I mean, she she enjoyed it. She's very proud and she's very proud of Kaylee and I and us making it out and just the fact that we were the only couple that did make it out and she was
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very proud with how I handled myself and how Kaylee handled herself and yeah, you know, she had obvious she all sorts of like funny comments and yeah, but yeah, she's proud. Great.
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Kayie, what's your relationship with Summit's mom? We're friends. Okay. Yeah, I've only like met her like three times cuz she lives in like Montana, so I don't I'm not like super close with her. But well, she's a great lady.
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Nick got a DM from Chris and he called your relationship one of the most intense Oh, I think he's emotal experiences.
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My relationship with Chris. [clears throat] Your connection with Chris was the most intense emotional experiences of his life. What?
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We did not get to see a lot of y'all's relationship. So, can you kind of give us some insight into what that looked like?
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I mean, Chris was like my rock. He really like helped me through that whole process. And he was an amazing friend.
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And he made me like dig deeper within myself and discover things about myself that I hadn't even like realized. And it was like a great great friendship. It wasn't some what did he call it? Deep intense emotional experiences of his
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life. Yeah, that's a little much for me. Oh, maybe it was for him. Yeah, you know.
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Yeah, I think he was he left a lasting impression. Yeah, and he left an impression on me. I mean, I a lot of the things he said to me, like he empowered me to see the beauty within myself and to be more
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confident and walk different in life. Well, that is interesting. and and being one of the few couples still together, I am curious how you both leaving the island discussed your time on the island because you didn't cross any physical
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boundaries and that's easy to be like I didn't do anything but like knowing that your partner was talking to and getting to know these other people, it sometimes can be difficult to say, hey, this guy really helped me. He made me realize
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this about myself. He made me feel this. And how did you guys communicate that to each other? You had a very similar experience with some of the women.
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So that must be challenging to hear, but how did you guys work through that to help you guys be a better couple?
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Yeah. I mean, we binged the show start to end right as it came out. And we weren't shocked by anything we saw in the show because we lived it and the bonfires, but you know, there were still moments where we're like, damn, like you
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said that or like he he affected you that much. Like when you know, she's balling her eyes out and Chris is crying and she's like, I've never met a human like you in my life. Like of course as a
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man, my ego is like a little shot. I'm like, well, like I'm special, too. You know, like that's just I think it's hard to not feel that way like you said.
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But at the end of the day, I think you just got to drop the ego. We were in a crazy situation. You know, those the single girls helped me out a ton. The single guys helped her out a ton. And
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without them, we wouldn't have grown and we wouldn't have gotten off the island together. So, like whatever happened, I don't want to change anything. And at the end of the day, like I'm grateful for Chris for helping her through that
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process. Yeah. I'm very thankful for those girls. Like the man I saw at that final bonfire was a changed man. And I know Mark did some wonders and I know he did a lot of work himself, but I also know living
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with those girls helped change him because they taught him sides of girls that he didn't like understand before.
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So I'm thankful for them, honestly. Yeah. Even like what we were talking about earlier where just like how you can be more delicate speaking to a girl.
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I mean, I would come back from bonfires and ask those single girls. I would be like, "What do you think about this?" They're like, "Summit, you're an idiot." Like they would tell me straight to my face. And and sometimes it takes other girls
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telling you like that's not right instead of it just being me. Like Totally. Yeah. [snorts] I think Julianne mentioned that you felt like she saw you for who you really were. I think you even expressed that you kind of wanted Kaye to see you
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the same way Julianne saw you. Yeah. Just this idea, you know, probably the same way she said like Chris just saw the beauty in her, which I obviously saw the beauty in Kaye, but I don't know. You're just like in those in those
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moments. I what I appreciate about Julianne is she just really wanted she just like loved me no matter what. And I think loved no like [laughter] just like really appreciated me no matter what. And I think you have to be
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a little realistic in that setting because like at the end of the day these people are singles on the show as like a job and their job is to please you. Like when the girls come home from a bonfire
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and the guys are waiting there with flowers, it's not like they went and picked the flowers. Like production gave them the flowers. And like obviously Julianne is going to be super nice and helpful throughout that entire process.
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It'd be weird if she wasn't. Totally. Yeah. Speaking of that, we had a chance to talk to Justinia and she said that she doesn't think you continued your connection with her because you knew you would be tempted. Do you believe that to
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be true? Uh, no. Like there was really never there was doubts in my mind throughout the process as to whether Kaylee and I would have made it out of the show and that was more of like a personal journey
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whether I could just like commit. But like there was never one time throughout the show where I felt like actually physically tempted to the point where like I would have done anything with any of the girls. Do I think they're pretty?
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Totally. Do I would I have done anything? No. Okay. Kayla, you mentioned that you did not remember calling Summit a sociopath at the final bonfire. How was it watching that scene back together?
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I think I mean I didn't call him a sociopath. I said the way he was acting was sociopathic. And I think he just heard that word and kind of freaked out and ran around and was like, "Oh my god,
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I'm a sociopath. Like, what's going on?" watching it back, I'm like, with the context of the story, I I mean, I obviously should have never said that, and I feel bad that now people are going to call you a sociopath cuz that's not
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true at all. Um, [laughter] [gasps] but I mean, in the context of the story, like it was more of like me just describing the way he was acting was sociopathic and watching it back, it it sucked. I feel like I regret a lot of the ways
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that I spoke about him on the show. Like I am sitting here saying Summit used to talk down on me. I sat there for eight episodes straight talking down on Summit and watching that back like hurts. Like it it's hard to see like wow. Like I
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spoke very negatively of a man that I love so much. And what you don't see on the show is me saying I love him so much every single goddamn day. And all the guys being like, "Please stop talking
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about Summit. [clears throat] Did you have to prepare some for that? Did you realize how much [ __ ] you talked while filming it?
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The producers make all four of us women sit there and talk about our problems.
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So, by talking about my problems, since I wasn't always the main issue in the relationship, I had to talk about things that he's done wrong. And as a result, that looks like I'm talking [ __ ] but it's like for the most part, I'm
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speaking my truth. Like, I'm speaking my experience. So yeah. Yeah. How did you process that? You know, because again, I think sometimes us guys don't realize how hurtful it can be to hear our partners like talk about our character. Sometimes I think that
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hurts us more than physical boundaries being crossed. Yeah, I actually saw that on your other podcast. I thought that that like resonated with me because I went into the show, you as a guy, you go into those shows and you think like as long
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as my guy girl doesn't like touch a guy, we're good. Like whatever. And then you learn that like the emotional connections that they build with the dudes does still [ __ ] with you. And I was surprised how much that [ __ ] with
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me. But it's just like a buildup of so many different factors and you're in this like crazy unrealistic scenario where there's no friends, no family, no contact with the outside world, and you just it's very easy to like lose touch
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with reality. And I think small things can like feel very very big. And so when I heard sociopathic, I just started spiraling. And it's also, you know, from the guy that she's like has built this emotional connection with, like it's
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just a this accumulation of so many things, it's very easy to get very worked up.
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Yeah. Well, the good news is if you were sociopathic, it wouldn't have phased you.
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True. Yeah. So, boom. I just proved it right there. No, I I feel like clear he's not a sociopath. Everyone, it's clear. [snorts and laughter] It was it was pretty clear like seeing how much it bothered you watching it was pretty
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clear that you're you're not a Okay, I appreciate that. I think if anything I'm like kind of like sensitive dude.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like but you weren't always sensitive in the past. You hadn't been that sensitive side that you are now.
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Yeah. No, I mean the show the show helped a lot. I talked more about my feelings in that month in Temptation Island than I probably have in my entire life.
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So, how do you two now? How do you guys go about showing up for each other that allows you guys to It seems like you guys are in a really good place right now.
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Yeah, I think we're everything we like everything I ever wanted to be is where we're at. Beautiful and it's amazing. We like do everything together, but we're not like so codependent like we also have our own things and we're independent in our own
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ways. Yeah. I think ultimately, you know, one of the main reasons we went on the show and something we had to work out was this idea that we are kind of innately different people and we I do like I
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think my independence more than she does sometimes and it seems like since the show that just hasn't been a problem at all. like I'm able to do all the things that I want to do and she I think she just like got more
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confident. I don't want to speak on her journey but like more confidence in herself so she doesn't mind as much when I go surfing for 5 hours or whatever.
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And then it's also this idea where now I just realize like I all those things I used to think I wanted to do on my own.
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I actually do want to do them with Kaye now. Like everything I do I invite Kaylee and before the show I wasn't doing that.
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Do you invite her to sit on your lap when you show? I [laughter] that is the one thing I don't that almost happened in the hotel room yesterday.
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We are in a very tiny hotel room here though and like we were like we're too close now. Like she was brushing her teeth while I'm [ __ ] you know, like it's a lot. [laughter] I think the the main takeaway for us is
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I feel way more secure now in the relationship and that's what's made everything just so much better for us.
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And how did you get to that point? cuz I imagine he's been helpful, but usually when we kind of tackle our insecurities, I think sometimes we're surprised how much it has to do with ourselves.
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I think in knowing like I can literally look him in the eyes and I know he loves me wholeheartedly without a doubt and I didn't feel like that before we went on the show.
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Do you think going on Temptation Island experience was gamechanging for you guys? It was like it actually was.
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I don't know where it'd be. It's interesting to think like where we would be had we not gone on the show. I realistically we either would have been broken up or like have broken up and gotten back together like several more
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And we're back to part one of the Temptation Island season 2 reunion. I think it's time to move on to Sydney and Mikey.
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To some, attending weddings and meeting the family are the ultimate testaments of love. But when Sydney brought Mikey to the island to see if he could finally put his Playboy tendencies to rest, there were three who gave Cydney the
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clarity she needed. Clarity being one man and one seafoam green guitar. And who would have thought Mikey would be the one committing in the end?
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Cindy, how difficult was it for you to watch Mikey be emotional throughout the entire season? It was extremely hard watching him go through those emotions because it's not something that I've seen before. And you know, like it it
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broke my heart because I hate hated seeing him like that. A Mikey, how does it feel to see her get emotional?
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I mean, truthfully, I know Sydney loves me. Like, no matter what we go through, I know no matter what she knows. Like, you're my best friend. It don't matter what we go through. It don't matter who comes into a picture. If I don't see her
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for months, like we haven't seen each other. How many months is We haven't seen each other for like four months.
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Yeah, it's been like four months since we've seen each other. What happened four months ago?
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Can I You So me and Cindy got back together 4 days after the show.
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4 days after the show. Yeah. Like like 4 days after we got back from the island.
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You guys agreed to date again. Yeah. And we dated we dated um 4 days after we got back and it was everything was going so good and it was going phenomenal. Blah blah. But the thing about it was I was holding on
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to what I experienced on that island and that was not fair to her whatsoever. Like I [snorts] was like any inkling of us having an argument I'm throwing that jab at her. And as a woman, I can I saw like I saw like her
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as a woman really be like it was tearing her down because I could see like her heart was hurt because I'm throwing that at her and that was not fair.
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Yeah. I'm actually a little surprised to hear that because well for one I'm surprised that 4 days later to hear you guys got back together.
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[laughter] Well, it seemed like you had like a like a second life, you know, that quite honestly, I think as as viewers, we didn't expect. And instead of seizing that opportunity to like really maybe try to show Sydney that you might
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appreciate her in ways that she didn't feel appreciated, I'm surprised to hear that it almost sounds like no offense, like old Mikey came back out because like what I took from that relationship is that you really felt like you were in
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control of yourself in that relationship when you guys dated in a ways that maybe Sydney didn't feel. And to hear you kind of like not seize that opportunity.
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Exactly. And and kind of throw what she did in her face was kind of almost like what sounds like old Mikey would do.
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I would say I wouldn't even say it was old Mikey. I would say it was the immaturities because truthfully like watching it back and totally like I've been on my therapy journey. I've been focused on my relationship with God
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based upon like truthfully losing [ __ ] Like I I never thought I would really dive into therapy. I always thought therapy was a joke. I'm looking at it like I'm I'm really thinking about it like I'm not that messed up as a person.
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But to understand that I had so many insecurities in myself and I was projecting those onto this beautiful young lady right here, it wasn't fair.
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It wasn't fair to her. And when I say that she's my best friend, I said it in the first I said it in the first scene.
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I said I love her from the soles of her feet to the top of her head. That's something that I've said to her forever.
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You get what I'm saying? So, the fact that I didn't seize that opportunity, that's just something that I have to live with. But the fact that I'm like I'm perfectly okay with having to live in that truth, that just shows the
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growth that it's just like it it has to be okay. How long did you guys stay together after you got back together?
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We stayed together for 3 months. Okay. What happened to cause that breakup? basically what he said with like the whole show and everything. And um originally when we got back, you know, he was like, "Forget about the show,
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like what you did and everything like that. We can move past it. We can move past it." And he brought to my attention like he was like, "The things that they showed you at the bonfire. That's not what I said. Like they clipped it up,
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they edited it." So I was like, "So you're telling me like what I saw and how I moved after that was off of something fake." So, like I felt guilt in myself and I was like I don't want to
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do that to him and it's like he was he's my best friend and I I didn't know how to move forward with the new connection that I had made on the island because I did care about Xavier. You know, that
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was real. That whole experience that I had with him was real. And I think trying to say that to Mikey was really hard and it made me feel guilty when he said I didn't do anything. You know, talking to the single girls, that's not
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what I said. I said, "My biggest fear is Sydney thinking I'm falling for you. Not my biggest fear is falling for you." And then him just telling me all these different things. And I'm like, "Whoa, wait. This is not what my experience
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was." So when we got back together and he was like, "I've changed. I learned so much from those girls on the island." I was like, "Okay, let's see." So I would say for like a few weeks, I saw a
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difference. You wrote me two letters in a span of 3 months. So I was like, "There was so much more that I wanted from our relationship." And I he knows like how I am. I'm a lover girl. Like I
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want to be I want you to show me that you love me. I want you to write me letters. I want you to bring me flowers.
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I want you to do all the things that like tell me that you love me. And it's like I gave him the blueprint of everything everything he had to do. And it's like first off, I should not have
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to do that. And then when he wasn't doing it, I was like, you know what? I'm done. And since then, we have not talked.
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We have not spoken. You have not spoken. Do you feel like Mikey took you for granted? I do. Yeah.
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Do you agree with her? I took her for granted, thousand%. Um, that's her truth. Um, I respect everything that she says.
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Is that her truth or is that the truth? There is no good guy, bad guy. It's just two people that don't align. That's all it is.
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Sure. But just to push back a little bit and I think it's I think there was a theme here with the guys which is interesting because like sometimes the you know you talked about bare minimum like being a good guy is
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the bare minimum the bare minimum right you know like not cheating on your girlfriends like the bare minimum but like I think sometimes in relationships we just sometimes can get complacent you know take people for granted you know like it was interesting when we
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started this conversation that you thought like I could flirt as long as I didn't like touch anybody touch anyone which I'm thinking like how is Huh? Like you know this is a girl who has expressed to you that she felt like you
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took her for granted so much. So it was like almost shocking to me as a viewer to see you like kind of almost like walk that tight rope where it's just like you know how much can I get away with and
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get her to stick around. And I think sometimes as young men we do that sometimes where we like we we see what we can get away with is almost a way to like test our partners. I think I think
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my biggest thing is like I have to be kind to myself because I am only 24 years old and I'm still learning how to become a better individual.
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Okay, I'm not going to say that I am the most mature, but I do really wish I had that opportunity again to go on the island as the version of myself that I am right now based upon for one my mindset, how I
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think about things and how how I could actually be serious. Cuz truthfully, if this was me from the people that saw it on the show, I'll be in here joking with you, trying to make a whole bunch of jokes
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and comical and all that. Ain't [ __ ] funny no more. Ain't I really like I don't know how I lost my sense of humor from that show to here to now. But it's just like I know when it's time to lock
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in. I know when it's time to have fun. And that's something that Sydney truthfully hated about me. It was just like you you never can go in depth. You never can be serious. you think everything is a joke and I was just
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always thinking to myself like I mean like life is all about smiles and all that but it's not like life is about getting getting into it for real like actually having those deep in depth conversations and watching the show and
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seeing that with her and Xavier I mean I was just on the side of just like I was happy watching it like I'm not going to lie like watching it back from like this version I was like she's happy and as
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long as my best friend is happy that's all I need to care That's all you need to care about. Oh, you still consider her your best friend.
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I mean, oh, thousand%. And I mean, that's always going to be my best friend no matter what. Even if we don't talk forever, even if you like meet someone else.
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Yeah. I mean, that's always I mean, I'm I'm going I'm going to be truthful. I'm I'm going to be truthful. And the emotions that I displayed on the show is because that is the first woman I've ever experienced love with in
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my entire life. The only other person that I've ever truly loved is my mother.
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And she can attest to this, too. I've looked my mom in my eyes and I've said, "I love Sydney." Am I wrong?
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No, you're not wrong. So that's why those emotions of going through all that [ __ ] all that [ __ ] it caught me off guard.
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I'm like, whoa. Like [ __ ] Like it really went in my life. It went it went it went Sydney my mom and I was just like like Sydney was she could do no wrong in my eyes ever. She could never
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do any wrong. So but that's where I messed up. So Sydney, is there ever a chance that the two of you would get back together or is it over?
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I just since we broke up and you know I'm like seeing him here now, he's grown so much. like I'm I'm loving this new version of Mikey. Um but I No, I don't think so. I think we're better as friends and I think we support
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each other better as friends. What was that conversation like 4 days after leaving with Xavier that you had with him that you were going to with Xavier?
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Yeah. The conversation that you had with Xavier? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, basically, um as y'all know, Xavier is a very understanding person and he's somebody that you can talk to about anything. So, leaving with Xavier and coming back and
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being with Mikey, when I talked to him about it, I was like, you know, like there's a lot of feelings and emotions that I've had coming back and it was a lot to go through that in that time
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frame and I didn't know how I would feel coming home. So, it's like I had to process that. I had to focus on me and I wasn't going to jump into another relationship. Although, like, you know, I was dating him on the island. It was
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it was real. Like I made a real connection, but I still had to deal with those feelings that I had with Mikey.
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And it's like I couldn't just jump ship and be like, "Oh, forget about this guy." Because he was my best friend.
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When you look back on your relationship with Cindy, like what's your biggest regret? I would say my biggest regret was not being emotionally mature within the relationship. That's my biggest regret because having that emotional maturity, I definitely think we would be
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sitting here and this would be a totally different conversation that we're having. So, I was like my biggest regret is being and I was not I I was intentional at times, but I wasn't intentional all the way. And that's
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something that I regret. That's something that I have to live with. And and whoever whoever I find love with, cuz trust, I'm still looking for love.
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you y'all see on the show, I'm a lover boy. So, I'm still looking for love and I got all this love that I want to give to somebody. So, yeah, hopefully one day I can give it to him.
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Do you think seeing Sydney with Xavier, and I think, you know, we can all give him props. He seems like a pretty great guy.
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Yeah, for sure. Do you think that made you appreciate Cindy in ways that you hadn't appreciated about her in the past?
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Well, I'm I would never I would never give that much credit, first and foremost, but let's just be honest. Let's just keep it real.
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Yeah, I'm being real when it comes to the fact of for one had no idea [ __ ] Xavier is is he grew up with my best friend. Had no [ __ ] idea.
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That's [ __ ] crazy, right? So, finding that out and finding out how good of a guy he is. Like Xavier is a great guy.
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and finding that out and seeing and seeing how he treated Sydney. Thousand percent like I appreciate him for taking care of her and showing her what she deserved truthfully.
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Yeah. But doesn't that in any way bother you that you couldn't say that and do that on your own?
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Tight. It had me tight in the villa. Oh my gosh. I was so blown. You guys the guys, they didn't put the scene. I punched a hole in the wall. Oh, it was bad. I punched a whole hole in the wall.
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Like I was blown. Punched a hole in the wall. Yeah. Over. Who paid for that?
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I don't know. Shout out Netflix. [laughter] What character is it? Ah, shout out Netflix. But it was just But those are just those emotions that showed how much of a child I was on the show. Like it showed like I was a kid cuz it it didn't
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have to get to that point because if I would have stepped up in the ways that a man is supposed to step up, we wouldn't be in that position. So I'm I'm perfectly okay with taking accountability for my actions. I did not
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treat you the way that you deserve to be treated and for that I apologize 1000%.
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I appreciate it. And the fact that she found that on on on the island, I mean, yeah, it sucks.
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But people get that girl took you. Everyone in here has lost somebody before. Everyone in here has lost a partner, right or wrong, and from either they left or somebody took them. It just so happens that mine's on TV.
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Yeah. But I think even more relatable to your point is like I think what's so fascinating about your relationship is that especially I think with guys we've seen the unappreciated person finally realize or have someone show them their
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worth and it's only until then that their original partner like oh my god want to try to step it up wants to step it up and like you know write all the letters or the poems and heck I remember being a young
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man and having a conversation like that and you know but you're only doing this now and stuff like that. So, it's it's a tough lesson to learn when you realize that's why you lost someone that you still to this day call her your best
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friend. Oh, for sure. Always. And that's just but but the thing about life, it's not about the destination. It's really about the journey. And Sydney taught me so much like and that's why I'm not bitter to her. I'm not bitter to Xavier. I'm
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not bitter to any of the 12 guys. But that I it took me a while to get there.
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Do you think if you wouldn't have thrown some of Cindy's choices on Temptation Island in her face that you guys still might be together today?
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Truthfully, I saw myself going into the right direction. I I knew I was going to get there. It's just how much more does this beautiful girl have to drag her feet for my own insecurities and my own personal problems? Cuz my personal
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problems should not be projected onto her. Simple. That's just not how it's going to go. So, I just I messed that up. I did.
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Did you ever give her back the photo of her and Xavier that she liked? That was her favorite?
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Nah. So, me and Jack still got those. So, what are y'all doing with them?
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Oh, I gave them to Cheyenne. Oh, you gave it back? [laughter] I did. No, actually, when we got back together, Oh, I had her throw all that [ __ ] away, which is insecure as [ __ ] but I
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definitely said I I found them. I was like, "What the fuck?" And I said, "Throw them away." She said, "Bet." She threw them away. You said at the final bonfire that you felt like you made yourself smaller so that Mikey could be
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bigger. Do you agree that you felt like she did that? That's something that's been a trend in like like I've always heard that my whole entire life. It's always been like you always based upon my personality.
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I'm shine. I'm just so loud. I'm so outgoing. So it makes the people around me feel like they have to diminish themselves. And I hate that that it's tiring cuz I'm just truly just trying to be myself. And even from watching the
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show, it made me feel like even the world, just seeing my true personality, the world is basically clowning on me for being myself. Like everything y'all see on Temptation Island, like I'm just truly just being my authentic self. I
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have a huge personality for a man. I get that. That's cool. But also, I'm not about to I'm not about to sell myself short and put down my own personality for the betterment of literally nothing because if you're not going to be
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yourself, then why the [ __ ] are you here? Sydney, did you feel like it was just his personality that was so big?
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Yeah, I would say, you know, Mikey has a big personality and it's like I knew that, but at the same time, if we're in a relationship, if we're partners, then like bring me up with you. like don't like leave me where I feel like I was.
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And I feel like he's very much main character and I was just like sidekick and I I didn't feel like that was that's not what I wanted in a relationship. I feel like we should be equal and I don't
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feel like but that's never what I want. You you know that's never what I wanted though.
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Like I never wanted you to feel like sidekick. I've always No, I'm not saying you wanted me to. I'm saying that's what it was.
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But you know I've always been your biggest fan. That Yeah, you're right. Like like I'm just like I'm just being honest like when whenever I've when whenever you bring something up I've always been your biggest fan. I support it and that's why
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like hearing the things. What do you mean? Can you give me like an example?
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Like boom she had her opening for her business. I'm the first one there. I'm in there selling candles, making sure everything's good. I'm hyping it up. I'm over here like you get what I'm saying?
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Like anything she needed for her new crib, I'm like, "Yo, I'm here. I got you. What do you need me to help you with? Are we serious?
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Do y'all not remember the bar [clears throat] cart situation? That was one thing. No, the bar cart. It took me a while to build.
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I put my dresser together by myself while you sat there on the couch and watched Netflix.
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Are we serious? I am dead serious. You don't remember that? I don't. You got to build the stuff.
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Mikey, you were scrolling on TikTok watching Netflix while I'm on the floor putting together my dresser.
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I [ __ ] up. And then No, my Barkart sat at the door for You got to build the stuff. I love Dylan Scar's dress. So, it's like you watched her build the dresser.
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Yes, you did. I'm serious. What are you saying? Are you serious? [laughter] You saying you're saying she's lying?
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I'm never going to call you a liar, but I'm just saying on the side of Oh my gosh.
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I've helped you with what? I've helped you. I helped help. You've helped her or you helped [laughter] put a screw in.
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I'm not going like that's crazy. I didn't help with multiple things. I'm sorry. No. No. Please.
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When did the bar cart get built? Two months after the show when I had already brought it up, y'all. The bar cart had sat there for four months before the show. We get back from the show, he's like, "I'm going to put it together. Put
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it together." It sit there for two more months. I have a picture of it on my phone actually of when it happened.
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You know what? If I didn't build, I apologize, but still on the side of anything, let's just be real. Anything I've ever needed, you help me with.
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Anything you ever needed, I've helped you with. So, I don't want to be over here. That's not what we here to do. You get what I'm saying? I've always I've always Come on now. You got to give me a
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[snorts] little credit somewhere. And they're like I'm saying like I was not just a piece of [ __ ] You get what I'm saying?
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I'm not call you. I understand that. But I'm just saying on the sh like come on bro. I always got you. You always had me. We good.
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But that it is interesting because I've never ever from watching the show or our time here ever felt like Sydney ever spoke to you about like you know about she I it's been clear that Sydney seems to have a lot of respect for you. Yeah.
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And a lot of care and consideration that that's even today you know. But I think what she it seems like and I don't want to speak for you, but like she's always been trying to convey to you that you
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just always seem to stop short of like doing what you are capable of doing. And she seems to like know what you're capable of.
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That's real. It's because I've seen it. Like even after we broke up and you were writing me letters every day, you were bringing me flowers every day, 8 a.m. sharp every single day. It's like you're showing me you're capable of it, but why not? Why
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not do it in the relationship? Exactly. I truly just felt like we as humans, we don't appreciate something until it's too late. And that's how I felt on the island, too. Like when I was when I was watching her fall in love cuz
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I'm I'm not going to lie. Like hearing her say like, "I love you." It [ __ ] me up. I will say that it [ __ ] me up. And I'm just like, damn, that that was [ __ ] Like I was I was [ __ ] I was
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[ __ ] I knew it. I knew I was [ __ ] I said it to everyone, didn't I? I looked at everybody in the face.
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Well, we told you you were [ __ ] Yeah. Everyone told me I was [ __ ] and all [clears throat] 12 girls said, "Yeah, you're fucked." And [laughter] and it was just the thing that I still stood on my tent of saying like, "If
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she's happy, I'm good. If she's happy, I'm I'm good." Like, so I mean, it sucks, but it's life. I I truly do wish that I appreciated Sydney more, but it's always me learning too late. So, it's always me learning too late. Well,
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you know, you're still a young man like you said and you know, I will say, you know, I think we have different personalities, but what what is [laughter] um I don't mean that like, you know, it's just like I'm not as honestly I'm
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I'm sometimes envious of like your kind of extroverted personality, but what I've always been good at is is kind of being comfortable in my skin and you seem comfortable in yours. But it's interesting as you get older, you
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realize that that's not always an excuse. It's not to disappoint people or like sometimes it's like uh you know I don't care what other people think. Like it's good to know that, but like sometimes you just have to realize if
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you're not going to change, you will turn some people off and some people will choose not to [ __ ] with you if you don't choose to adjust your behavior.
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And my p this is who I am just kind of gets, you know, it gets old because we as relationships are supposed to be about growth and if you're not growing within the relationship, then it's not benefiting each other. And I wasn't
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growing. And that's something I literally I'm going to be real. I would never say something like this on I like if the person I was on I I would never say something like this. But like truthfully I wasn't helping you grow. I
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felt as if I was based upon you got understand you you were my first real relationship like my first actual one.
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And I'm still I was still learning. I was still learning. I was still learning how to love. And I was only loving you to the level that I knew possible. You get what I'm saying? Mhm.
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So that's where I got messed up because just cuz I thought I was loving you to this high degree based upon what I thought real love was, that doesn't mean that's what you thought love was and that's disrespectful to you. So yeah,
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Sydney, watching it back, were you or I guess while you were there, were you shocked that he resisted temptation or was what you saw kind of what you expected out of him? No, I genuinely was shocked that he resisted temptation and
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you know just watching it back. It was like seeing that like at the beginning he was making like slick comments, flirting with the girls and that's what ultimately turned me off and I was like, "Oh, I'm done. I'm leaving. Like I'm
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done with this relationship." But watching him see me fall for Xavier and how what that did to him. I think that just really showed, you know, how much he felt on himself to take a step back, look at what was going on around him and
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be like, "Okay, this is how I should handle this moving forward." Mike, you saying you were going to shoot your shot with India? Was that kind of a reactive?
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No. Can I just be truthfully honest with you? There's just no way I walk into a confessional, just sit my ass down, look in the camera, and say, "Shit, I need to be selfish. I need to shoot my shot with
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India." Obviously, somebody asked me a damn question. If this happens, what will you do? Well, [ __ ] I guess I got to be selfish [snorts] and you got to shoot your shot with India. But that's just some [ __ ] where it's just like you
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get [ __ ] clipped. I'm the clip master. I'm going be real. I get clipped cuz I just be talking and I always get clipped too damn much. I always get clipped. All the guys will be like, "Mikey, stop talking cuz you're going to
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get clipped." And I'm like, I'm like, "No, I'm not going to get clipped. I'm [ __ ] good." Then I say something. I'm like, "Oh, I'm [ __ ] clipped." I got clipped. That's all it was. I got
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clipped. But nevertheless, you still admitted to like thinking it was okay to flirt. Yeah, cuz we came into it with the boundaries of flirting.
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You guys agreed that you could We agreed we would go on dates. I don't know why you keep saying that. We agreed that we could flirt. We never said that.
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We said we were going to We knew we had to go on dates. You can go back and watch the show.
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I understand. I'm serious. I understand. fans noticed that when y'all separated at the beginning of the show, y'all did not kiss. Was there a reason for that?
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We did kiss. It wasn't included. And I did. We did a whole handshake and everything.
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We got a whole hand We did a whole handshake, little kiss. We did everything.
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We just didn't. Yeah. I don't know why they didn't cuz I did see that clip where they were like they looked Yeah.
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Yeah. And my biggest thing is like everyone thought me and Sydney weren't like a real relationship. That's some [ __ ] [ __ ] because [ __ ] I I this is my first this is my first real
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actual girlfriend ever. Is anyone on TikTok gonna come out and be like I was actually his first some uh I mean if she if she would if she probably would from from college but I don't count that cuz I cuz I cheated
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on her. I cheated on the girl from college like all the time. And so I don't count that as I don't count that as real.
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That's still a relationship. I don't think you cheated on her. I don't even think Jack would say that.
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I cheated. I really feel like I truly feel like if you don't you if if you can't be a committed individual within the relationship, then you didn't then you did not deserve that relationship.
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So, you can't even claim that relationship. But she would claim that relationship. I doubt she would claim me.
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It's just a bad relationship. It was a Yeah, that's that that's better. A bad relationship. I know she wouldn't claim me though. Lord, you know, was watching him say that he could fall in love. Was that the moment of like no
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return for you? Yeah, that was like when I was like, "No way. It's been 3 days and he just said I could [ __ ] around and fall for one of you.
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I got clipped. What? I'm like, how does that like I'm like we just got here and How do you remember saying it, bro? Jack Jack was there. He was behind the bushes.
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Behind the bushes. Behind the bushes. It was the three girls. No, I'm saying I was by the pool, but I'm talking about around. Do you know how we walk up to the thing? I walked down. Jack was over there. I literally
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said they're going to [ __ ] around and tell and say and get me clipped up saying da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d
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d d d d d b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b boom. As soon as I said it, I said clipped. Jack screamed out clipped and I was [ __ ] clipped.
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Seems like y'all were very hyper aware of of the cameras and like what would be played back at bonfires. Does that change some of y'all's behavior a little bit?
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Uh, no. No. I mean, once you're in there, you forget about it. It just becomes real life.
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It was like two days of like weird saying that maybe being somewhat, but then it was like, yeah, kind of goes in one ear out the other.
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Yeah. Mikey, would it be fair to say that you are like a you like being liked and you you have a hard time hearing when people don't like you?
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I would say 1,000% the version that I was when I was in there. Very much people pleaser, all of that. But I I had learned that that's an insecurity. Sure.
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Through like therapy, I was just like, it doesn't matter what people think. As long as I'm happy with myself, that's all that matters. Do you think old Mikey the people pleaser had a a bad habit of of maybe crossing some boundaries with
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women while maybe your intention wasn't to cheat or hurt your partner that it maybe would come across as inappropriate to your girlfriend if she let's say if she was watching you interact with other women.
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Thousand%. Wow. Is that something that you've like changed about yourself? Yeah, that's something that I like I learned that my biggest thing was I made an excuse for my personality of to be a flirt.
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[snorts] Like I I was always saying like, "Well, that's just who I am. That's just who I am." D. No, you're dead wrong, my guy. Like, the fact that you feel like you can flirt and you can be this extroverted person and you think
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that flirting within that makes it okay. No, it's not. It's It's not right. So that's something I really worked on on mean what I say. Always all always mean what you say and walk with intention in everything that I do.
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I want I want to ask you a question. I want you to be real with me and not just like, you know, protect your ego, but if if I know we already asked Sydney the question and we heard her answer.
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Nevertheless, if if Sydney were to give you another chance, would you take her up on that? Or maybe a better question is, is there any part of you that has just a little bit of hope that you two
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can have another shot? Truthfully I it wouldn't be the smart thing to do and it would be the it would be it wouldn't be the right thing to do because she gave me so many chances and it would be selfish of me to try to take
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another chance on someone. What if she begged you? Sydney would never do that. First and foremost, she would [laughter] have She would never do that cuz I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. Y'all think my pride is bad. Her pride is her pride
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is out of this world. But it's just on the side of just like I was irresponsible with the relationship. And I don't I I truly feel like I don't deserve another chance. I truly just don't deserve I just don't deserve that
Speaker A
from her. She deserves everything. Mind you, I'm not saying that I'm a piece of [ __ ] Trust. I'm that I'm that guy. But it's just it's yeah, it's just it's just the side of I understand that I messed
Speaker A
up and you don't deserve that. And no matter what, I truly feel like she would still be holding on to that version of Mikey that she knew since September 3rd, 2021.
Speaker A
You know what I'm saying? Do you still have romantic love for Sydney? Oh yeah, I love her. Look at she fine as hell. Look at her fine ass. How I see her in months. [laughter] I ain't see her in months. Girl, you look good. You
Speaker A
look good. You look healthy. So these past 4 months, have you been back in contact with Xavier? Are you like fully cut off the two of them?
Speaker A
Where are things? So I have been back in communication with Xavier. I did reach out to him and I was like, "Hey, like I know I'm probably the last person you want to talk to, but would you be open to a
Speaker A
conversation and grabbing coffee?" So he was like, "Yes, of course." And we went, we grabbed coffee. We talked about everything. I told him, you know, what happened when I got back? everything that me and Mikey went through and where
Speaker A
I was. And I told him like, you know, like I'm really working on myself and trying to process everything that happened in that relationship, process my feelings, and he was very like understanding and still very caring, which is like hard for me to believe
Speaker A
that somebody could, you know, go through that experience with me, come out the villa, and I'm like, well, I'm going to go back to my ex who you helped me get through that relationship on the show. So, it was just crazy for him to
Speaker A
be open to the opportunity of like seeing where it could go again. Did he ever throtting your face that you went back to Mikey?
Speaker A
No, he didn't. Like, what did that mean to you? It meant a lot because I that's what you expect. You expect him to be like, well, you know, throw it in my face, be like, I'm going to make you work for it. No.
Speaker A
Like, that's not who he is at all. And that's something that I really appreciate about him.
Speaker A
Okay. Well, we do have a video. We wanted to maybe consider bringing some of the the tempters and tempters here, but out of respect for everyone here, we obviously did not do that, but since I think so many people fell in love with
Speaker A
you, Xavier, and watching you, he wanted to send you a message knowing that maybe today would be a tough day. Um, and so we wanted to play that for you.
Speaker A
Okay. It's a nice, very sweet uh message. Um, Mikey, you you I don't I just want to be respectful of you like you cool, you know.
Speaker A
No, it [music] on part two of the Temptation Island season 2 reunion. He knew he did not want to look like a hypocrite. [music] Deep down, you know that [ __ ] [ __ ] hurt.
Speaker A
You're good. No, I'm speaking the [ __ ] truth. I'm speaking the [music] truth.
Speaker A
You're good, bro. You're good. You good? I'm good. Let it out. What are you feeling right now, Jack?
Speaker A
I had been hurt over [music] and over with lies. And I did get mad at the end. They didn't really show it, but I feel like I I right. I was frustrated cuz I cared though cuz I I love this woman, you
Speaker A
know, and but what are these little lies?
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