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How not to get rid of the American citizenship? Pyk-pyk-pyk-pyk. Yura, go to Donbass. Emotional propagandist made money.
Interview with Michael Naki on politics, personal history, and media influence amid the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Key Takeaways
- Michael Naki is a significant media figure with a complex personal and political background.
- The interview reveals the difficulties of maintaining family ties amid political and personal turmoil.
- Media censorship and propaganda play a crucial role in shaping public opinion in Russia and beyond.
- The ongoing conflict in Ukraine deeply affects civilians and influences political discourse.
- Naki’s perspectives challenge mainstream narratives and highlight the complexities of modern geopolitics.
Summary
- Michael Naki, a popular Russian-speaking political blogger, discusses his background, including his photographer father and family history.
- The interview covers Naki's views on American citizenship, tax obligations, and political realities.
- Naki shares personal stories about his father’s struggles after the Chechen war and their strained relationship.
- Discussion touches on the impact of media and propaganda in modern conflicts, especially regarding Russia and Ukraine.
- The interview explores Naki's opinions on Donald Trump, US politics, and their influence on global affairs.
- Naki comments on the humanitarian impact of the war in Ukraine, including civilian casualties and military actions.
- The video includes references to censorship and the blocking of platforms like YouTube in Russia.
- Naki talks about his experiences with public perception, accusations, and his stance on controversial issues.
- The conversation also addresses the challenges of living and working as a political blogger during wartime.
- The video features promotional content for real estate investment in various countries, highlighting economic opportunities.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction and Personal Background
- 08:36Tax Obligations and American Citizenship
- 16:42Media and Propaganda in Modern Conflicts
- 32:16Political Views and Donald Trump
- 48:19War Impact and Civilian Casualties
- 74:19Family Relations and Personal Stories
- 93:04Challenges of Political Blogging in Russia
- 109:31Real Estate Investment Promotion
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I don't think this is true. And I can prove it. Theory of double time.
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Doubled. Please. This is not dehumanization psychiatric wards, including me. About 15 minutes were filmed for NTV now.
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Well, now enjoy watching. Michael, you are the most popular Russian-speaking blogger about politics. Moreover, you are one of those who turned into a big media star during the war years. And we are very I wanted to know more about you,
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find out about how you work, how you live, what do you think about the world around you and people around. That's why I have dozens of questions about you that I will ask you today. OK? Deal. I
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I disagree with almost every word which you said, but okay. Thanks for the first review.
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I'll start the interview exactly like this. No wonder we started it with Mikhail Khodorkovsky. I showed him this photo and asked to tell about her. Uh, you I'll also ask you to tell me, but not about the photograph,
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and about the author of the photo. Author, yes, the author, the author of the photo, my father Charles.
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Naki. Uh, and I found out about it, well, later. Everyone, that is, I learned about it literally from Twitter. Well, from the same place as That's it, I don't remember what the account is called, but he wrote something like an interesting fact. This one
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the photo was taken by the father, which means blogger Michael Naki. And so I just...
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I got caught on tape. I'm like, "Oh, no way. to myself." I look, and down there it really is. It says: "I went to his website, he has there is a website with photos because it photographer." And he is a journalist-photographer.
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Actually, that’s how he ended up in Russia. So, actually, I was born. He came to photograph the nineties. What happened? Well, yes, from this point on moment there a little further, and I went to Chechen war, which, unfortunately,
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it blocked his roof. And that's why mine The parents got divorced. And here it is, actually, I took this photo. After as it became known to me, including that he is the author of this photograph, m I
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I wrote to him, like, well, my mom and I They wrote something like, listen, here he is walking the story goes that he got this skin Khodorkovsky didn't get it, then, whether she was lying there or not. Well, around
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the same, because it is debating. We asked, what, how do you remember this? He says: "Yeah, I don't remember a damn thing, so unfortunately [laughter] that's how it is." The question remains unanswered. Here. But yes, this is the photo he took. World
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very, like this, virtual reality, simulation, everyone is connected to everyone else. You Do you communicate with your father?
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No, listen, practically none. That is the last time was when I I was declared a criminal and, in fact, I was for the comment they typed, well, like they wrote, I signed up for Fox News, in my opinion.
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And I have a last name that is like this in English it is written and and she is made, that is, it is artificial. That's why people with such a surname in one form or another mine relatives. Mm, at least that's how it is.
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says the family legend. And just right for me Böck wrote, and it was during stream with Plyushchin. It was very inconvenient. He tried to call, then, then I wrote, and he said something like here we are here on, as he wrote, naki all over
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America calls me, and all that, and they say that your son is a criminal there, that something happened, how can I help you? I speak: "It's okay, Be, don't worry, like, "You definitely won't be able to help in any way." And he also
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wrote: "We were, of course, upset that learned about this from Fox News. They're SNBC there.
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and all that." I say, "Well, I'm sorry, Damn, who asked who? I'm in it." They are democrats.
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From the looks of it, he's at least probably If he prefers MSNBC, yes. Here, in In general, yes. And this was ours somehow last communication. Well, and before that We didn't really communicate with him.
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Why? Well, anyway, after he went During the Chechen war, I saw a lot of corpses.
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people, children included. He is very blocked his head, he became very strong drinking, he became very rowdy. AND, Accordingly, my parents divorced.
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It was a pretty tough divorce. I then was still very small. I'm all of this I don't remember. Well, that means he somehow He left for America, but we stayed in Russia.
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and somehow we didn't really communicate with him. He tried to maintain a relationship with me, but the problem is that it's like this To put it mildly, he has problems with an understanding of reality. Well, that is to say,
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for example, the principle of time zones does not it really got to him. Uh, so it's like every time he tried to call, congratulate on your birthday, this is happened at 3:40 am. So when That's how I was when I was little, yeah, that's it
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the bell rang, uh, here it starts congratulate him, and we told him: "Chuck, 3:00 am, please, please, learn, How does it work, then, changing the clock belts." But he couldn't do it.
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do. Here. And for 15 years he sent me present. This was his photo format A4 on skis. Here. Uh, and that's pretty much it, I mean, it's not him, it's not that beautiful he did it, and the photographs were of himself.
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Yes. Yeah, just, well, according to the FIDEX. or something like that came like that a small parcel, and in it was his [laughter] photo on skis in some kind of picture frame. Here. Uh, well, I kind of then I made sure that it was some kind of
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quite a strange person. Well, and we too We don't really communicate. What does a made surname mean?
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Well, in short, they are either Dutch some kind of settlers, maybe German. AND, Actually, these are, well, like surnames, they appear there quite organically births, in all such things, and are derivatives of some things. And to them it was necessary to come up with something in some way,
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Yes, and they somehow artificially came up with it. And that's why, in theory, again Well, as the family legend goes, I don't I know how to check this, which means people with with such a surname, they are in one form or another
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[music] Because of your dad, you are an American citizen, Yes? You once said that American A passport is a curse.
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This is monstrous. Absolutely no one I recommend it. Do you mean taxes or something else?
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Not just taxes, but the tax system as such. Well, that's how I am I'm telling you, so the Russians don't open headquarters in European banks twenty-second year, and the Americans did not they opened it before. Because when any bank in the world except the American one,
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he sees, which means you're American citizen. And now if you paid attention attention, even in Russian banks, there there is this little point, like, you are Are you a US citizen in absolutely any situation?
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questionnaire, in absolutely any country. Why? Because ARS travels around the world and [ __ ] everyone's head. Well, that is to say neither one bank in the world doesn't want to get involved with ARS. Therefore, an American passport, that
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is called, let's say, only if you You live in America. If not, and you should regardless of your income, apply declarations are always tax ones. And you too there are tax obligations too always, if you earn more a certain amount, there's not much there
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big. Well, and, accordingly, at ARS claims may arise against you, wherever Whatever you lived, whatever you were engaged in, no matter what country you were in were a resident. This is super an unpleasant, burdensome thing. You don't You can refuse normally
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American citizenship. That's when I... Well, accordingly, I was already a teenager when I found out about this, I found out about this completely by chance, mm, there at the age somewhere around twenty years old, probably, because that I was talking with, well, we were just sitting there,
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had lunch with a man who also I have American citizenship and something we started talking and he was like, "Well, how are you?
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I would have sent a declaration there, such." I say: "What declaration am I should I tear it off? I live in Russia, like in I was born in Russia, so to speak Russian citizen. Why should I?
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I was just now." He says: "And you open it your passport is there on the last page, there is the fourth point and you open it there really like no matter where you are, what are you, who are you, you must do all this
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to do." That's it. And then I started actively trying to figure out how to get rid of American citizenship because in He's very strong in the Russian system.
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limits. I went to political science. Higher School of Economics at the time, to, well, have some kind of political career do. That is, it seems to me, in my second year, in my second year, when I was in the second year, a wave started, then,
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the expulsion of various deputies from the Duma and remembered about this dormant norm, that You cannot have a second citizenship.
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And I was in my second year. I'm like, "Damn, Well, that's a shame. Well, definitely not anymore." But I decided: "Well, okay, I'll finish my studies anyway, what to change." And accordingly, when I I was already working on Echo, and they introduced a law that
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you can't have a second citizenship editor-in-chief of the media outlet. Well, that is, like and here and here [laughter] blocked, and They surrounded it here. I studied for a long time how renounce American citizenship.
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This is quite a difficult topic for those who who it is not as a migrant, but here either by right of blood or by right of descent birth. It's a very complex process, which must be passed through the courts. There on
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Wikipedia has a list of people who it was possible, therefore, to abandon this American citizenship. And this one too Jeff Monstein had a problem, for example, which is, well, all there was such a patriot at some point, Yes. And it was funny there. He became
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deputy of Krasnogorsk. And every time it journalists about once a year They asked: "What, did you refuse American citizenship? It's impossible.
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He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm almost there, I'm already there, I'm almost already." And so, every year I I kept a separate eye on him. Well, in general, this is it it's a very complex process that I'm involved in
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I realized that, well, like, well, that's what it takes money, it takes time, it takes forces. Unfortunately, at that moment I this did not happen. And they also introduced another one the law of 2009, I think, the year that, coming out
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from American citizenship, you must pay 20% of any of your assets, which you have, no matter what, where, when, by whom they were earned. Well, there inheritance or not, no one cares.
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Well, that is, like just 20% of all yours assets. That is, if you have an apartment in In Moscow, Lithuania or Spain, you must 20% of it is taken away. Yes.
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Yes. Many people think about the American citizenship as some kind of benefit, who I've never encountered him. I know many people who received it or even having received a green card, uh, when learned how the system works, they said, "No, thank you."
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And if you had the opportunity without hemorrhoids give it up now, you would you refuse?
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100%. 100. I generally hope that in at some point Trump and Putin we will meet, and both of us have citizenship they'll take it away. both Russian and American. I I'll do something, I don't know, any European citizenship or
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Israeli citizenship. Do you speak English? Quite mediocre. This is separate the story is that, well, for some reason everything is by default they think that if I'm like American and if I'm Michael Nucky, and always We thought about it even before I left there
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Russia, that I automatically mean, that I speak English well. Also, For example, they thought about their Moscow origins. That's why every time I needed something translate or call, for example, here I am I remember when there were terrorist attacks in France,
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so they tell me: "Well, you, Michael, Go call and discuss it with them. in English." The problem is that I don't he knew English really well, well, that's it there is a regular school institute level. That is, I have, well, in short,
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it is not transmitted in the same way as many others Seems. Is this some kind of B1, B2?
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Well, I've never measured it. Well, I don't know. Here At school we learn everything, at college we learn everything we teach. Well, I mean, like, Well, I don't know. You have the most popular one the video on the channel, if I'm not mistaken,
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This is the Battle of Kyiv. Yes, this is the material, Which one is where you are essentially calling You can read it in the original Now? Yes, I have enough English now, but this I, well, kind of hired a person,
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who translated for me, like, so that it would be exactly, well, so that it doesn't turn out that there something. Now it's much easier with this. That There are now all sorts of GPT chats and everything the rest, they are pretty good
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are being translated. No, no, I can do it myself now. You can now translate it yourself with GPT chat or without GPT chat? Listen, I'll read it myself.
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without GPT chat. But to understand everything, I I'll post some things in the GPT chat, especially when it comes to military terminology, political terminology and everything else. Here. That is, well, like I don't have any special ones knowledge on this matter. Here. AND
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returning to Echo, well, that is, like I'm in in the end I translated, well, everything that was there, I translated and communicated. I even somehow MM came to the studio to interview something either a diplomat from the UN, or
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something else like that. And they didn't ask me At no stage do I know English.
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I just default to, well, like, you You probably know the ideas. Well, here I am, Well, I took these interviews, like, and there and I called and everything else, yes, in English.
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language. Well, how are things with the dictionary? back and forth. You said that you were only in the States once.
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Already two. It has changed, Yes. I was a child when I was one year old three, well, I don't remember anything. Uh, huh The last time was last year We went to my wife's birthday because She really likes the concept of New York and
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all that stuff. And she loves the series Office. And I took her to Skran, which is there near New York. rented a car, and We went in this with Kntn. And given that There's nothing from The Office in Scranton,
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because he wasn't filming there at all, but there are some locations there, then, which they made specifically for all sorts of fans who come with Crenton. That is, there are only these buildings that are the original screensaver TV series Office. This tower is there
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there is some kind of center next to it, either for piston-like, or for dependents. Here we are somehow suddenly this was discovered. Well, in So, yes, we went for 2 weeks, and it was quite difficult for me trip, because I'm in parallel
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continued to work. As a result, during the day we did some chores and all that. And even went to an amusement park in the city Orlando. Eh, that's amazing. I'm like this what can be appreciated in America is how
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as if these were amusement parks. A a At night I wrote reports, recorded and made videos wrote it down. Sometimes I even fell asleep time to just record the summary. That is, like I'm switching off, and I'm still going on
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say some things here are the notes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like 3:00 am. Here after. Well then, like, everything went there, I washed myself, sat down to write again and everything else.
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It was a difficult trip. Did you feel it? something to the country? Not at all. I just made sure that as if my dislike for this country, it has very solid foundations.
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Well, not in the sense that, in short, I don’t I'm a fan of America, but not because Russian propaganda doesn't really like America. But visually, you know, I have there were greatly reduced expectations. That is I imagined New York as a whole
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a giant garbage dump. So where are the mountains? garbage everywhere, which means rats are everywhere trying to eat. It's surprising at all It didn't look like that. Here is the city of Washington, unless. Here is the city of Washington when
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Now there are news that there is something like, Well, not now, but some time later back that Trump Trump introduced national guard I completely understand why Wonderful. Well, that is, right there monstrous. Well, that is, there is generally a step
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you can't step. It's quite unpleasant there. And New York turned out to be quite like that some normal.
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[music] Why don't you like the USA? And you said you have a lot of questions, right?
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just answer these, well, how should I put it You can use non-briefly. Mm, when I started study political science at a university economy, it was normal then institute, one of the most liberal, and, actually, quite adequate, uh, and, in my opinion, very worthy. AND
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It was in the direction of political science that it was given very good education. That is then the main competitors were considered to be the tower political science and Moscow State University political science. But I am from Moscow State University
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I didn't even consider it because it was like eh, this whole dictatorship is gardening It didn't resonate with me yet. Oh, and us too.
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started to study all the political ones there the systems are already serious, you know, not on at the level of a taxi driver, and at the level of, as it were, Here you can see right away how everything is arranged,
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Yes? And I, when I saw this, I was like, "Well, This is monstrous. Well, that is to say, it is not can work when the elector is not obliged vote as citizens vote.
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Jerry Mendering. Well, that is, any a person who is there, as they say, understands when he hears Jerry Mendering, he's just got ears like tubes they curl up because it's like me I'm simplifying a lot, but it's still local
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the government has the right to cut up districts in this way in the way she considers it for herself convenient. Well, that is, there, since such proportionality of the topic by district, in including, it depends on the state, but nevertheless
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the less you can cut out districts for yourself so that in the future elections it will be simple win. Well, that means it's legal.
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administrative mechanism, like victory. This is monstrous. There are different states where there is a different system during that time, in that including presidential elections. Somewhere There are states where the one who wins even if there are five or four votes there
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electors, takes all nine, and there are where is proportional. Well, that is, within the framework you have different political systems rules of the game.
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And because of this, these constants news that the wrong one won, who got more votes, very murky democratic choice.
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Made of [ __ ] and sticks, and sticks are in short supply. Well that is, a type of very fragile system. And at I had a dispute with many people who there they are fascinated by America and so on.
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And when I told them all this, they they say: "You're a fool, like, there we have counterweights, there, therefore, is the media free, there is the fourth estate and that's it such." I say: "You understand that this is
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this system is designed in such a way that if a person will come who wants, well, that's it like breaking everything and making it your own, it will work out." They told me: "No, no, No, well, now Trump has come second.
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times, and many of them said that: "Well, maybe you're right, maybe indeed, there are some there somehow some problems that may very well all this under the hood to destroy." That is, in I don't like America in this regard. Second
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my big complaint about America is, well, that's It's a long concept in general, but if it, Look, I'm oversimplifying, that's why There will be a lot of missing parts here, but Basically I don't think America has the right to be a world hegmon. I think,
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that America is a very young country, without a stable political philosophy. Well, that is, there are the founding fathers there, I even wrote a term paper on them once, but there is no hard-won political philosophy and moral core.
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Naturally, sometimes political philosophy and its development lead to terrifying things, like over there Nazi Germany, niches here and there and other. But it's basic for you to conditionally influenced the world very strongly, my request as a person living in this
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world for you to be guided by some things that are more than just money. Ah, well, the American dream.
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like a million dollars and a house. Well no maybe the country where the dream is this rule the world. Well, that is because The world is more complex, the world is bigger.
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Because of this, this one appeared the phenomenon of Kisgerism, that America constantly throws everyone. This is before Trump It just appeared. Trump is open about it does, and the rest, well, did, let's say so, while putting on a good face
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bad game. Yes. This is how it was recently exit from Afghanistan, which, in my opinion, the look is not reflected at all, because everyone somehow gave up on it bolt, but basically, well, America for 10 years I told you that everything is possible here
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You can live normally and freely here. do not comply with these absolutely horrific laws, you may or may not be discriminated against, everyone is like that, America is like, "Right, right, we "We guarantee it." They're like, "Okay." Well,
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like, and started living normally. And then that's it, the plane has flown away and just everyone who collaborated with the American authorities, They just killed everyone. All women simply they drove it in right away. In general, it's about rights.
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There is no longer any discussion of women at all. That you have breathed this freedom into these 10 years, yes, then they told you: "That's it, for now, it is not profitable for us now." And flew away. This is not under Trump, this is under
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Biden. And America is always really behaves like this. Exactly because they are concept, this Kisger Real Politician, she doesn't assume that they have there is some responsibility that they have there is some kind of worldview. She implies benefits here and now.
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Why did America end up there, right? I I say that I miss a lot, a lot things, but globally why America then became a hegemon, yes, if she is like that, that means she's bad, she's not of good breeding, she doesn't have any
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philosophy and so on, but because Europe destroyed itself twice in the 20th century. century. I just, I just erased myself. And that's all people rushed to America during technological progress. That is America Got all the brains in the world for free. Well then
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There are all the brains of Western civilization. They everyone ended up in America at some point moment, because Europe itself destroyed. And this allowed America to a key moment in human history have all the smart people. Well, there
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most of them, yes, literally at home territory. And the product of these activities people who tend to, well, that's people, to put it mildly, are not of the American philosophy was not with uncultivated America, and they just started there
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act. Because of this America gained complete cultural dominance both political and economic dominance. And here we are in this world, where, it turns out, Trump scratched his head today I'll give myself a right slap, I decided so, and tomorrow
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scratched his left back. And that means gender Europe is running around, trying to understand what he is I offered it to someone there. And we are all like that, What will our grandfather Donald do tomorrow?
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Moreover, if we weren’t talking about death of people, and it would be simple, I would I watched this like it was a sitcom. AND In general, if, well, there had been no war, I I would be generally happy that Trump came to power
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I came because, well, it's just my the global dream that Europe will regain its subjectivity, because Europe, It's clear that there are different countries, and about each one I need to speak separately, I am very I'm simplifying, but Europe is exactly the same
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subjects that have a very large history, including political philosophy, worldview, and so on. AND I would like Europe to return again became subjective because, well, it's literally those people, that political a culture that, in my opinion, a, can influence the world in a much more profound way
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in a better direction than here, then, Donald Trump, who is on the recording of his The show was sitting in diapers. Well, that's not it.
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the worst thing that happened to him, but nevertheless, ah, but which one, then, is on the crypt he's doing some kind of [ __ ]. Well, that is, like Imagine, your president comes out and says: "Today I launched a cryptocoin"
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and forgets about him. That's it, everything is there treasure. Well, that can't be, you know.
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Well, this is nonsense. But it can't be like that exist. And this person is like controls the world to one degree or another.
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The global economy depends on it. He He stood there, and he had a GPT chat according to the formula So, I counted who was at what rates impose. He came out, that's all showed, and what the European Union has to do with it
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was one line, that is, not like different countries, but just in one line. And that's all. And all the markets are like: "What what's happening? What should we do?" And so on.
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shouldn't be. This is, well, wrong. structure of the world. I don't blame it on Trump specifically, because, in my opinion, look, he does almost the same thing the same thing all the Americans did presidents. more or less to him
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degrees. In principle, this is how it is in America political system, which every time It turns out that during the elections there it's like in Saufus There was also a park, yes, there was a sandwich with [ __ ], but an enema. Well, that's how it is
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by 300 million or so. Well, how would it be? it means you have bad political system. If all the time before this choice, practically none of them there was no such thing as an American election People are like, "Yeah, that's a great candidate."
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They have all the time in every election cycle. They're like, "Well, this one's probably less shittier than this one. Well, it shouldn't be like this.
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to be." Well, it's like a broken system. About 15 minutes were filmed for NTV now.
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No, they will never tell about it. Because they are fixed on more simple things. These are quite complex things, moreover, that hit directly.
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Mountable. Mountable. I think there will be enough there. No, well, if there is enough, then please.
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No, they can do much more. edited from my various videos. E well, but yeah, I think it's, well, a catastrophic problem of modern reality. And you and I, when We write this down, well, it’s clearly visible.
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Well, that is, we are literally in that, if We recorded with you there for another month back, I don't know, we talk when we we write down, we don't say when we we write down, in December, yes, we say, we say at the beginning
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December. Maybe you and the audience would be like, "Well, maybe it's not all that bad after all Trump, he's more like a normal guy." The sky in Venezuela is already closed, but not now, Yura, with the closing of the sky
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on Novisuly, it was just us yelling all the military analysts with whom I I'm texting. I think it's difficult realize the madness of this situation.
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The President writes on his social network: “I I'm closing the sky over Venezuela." And you know, What does it do? Doesn't close it. He is not issues not a single decree. He is not releases nothing to cover the sky.
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How is this possible? Once again, President, it closes, when he said, like, there are planes there continued to fly. In 2 days everything like: "Well, I guess we won't after all fly." But once again, he didn't let go of any
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one legal order. We In general, well, this is a madhouse, this is a mental hospital. So No. And before this Pitkhex 2 weeks before this says: "We are starting the operation Spear." Everyone was like, "Well, it's all started.
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Venezuela." I say in my svobod: "Well, that's it, Apparently, Venezuela has begun." No nothing happens at all. Nothing.
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The ships that sailed in, they are all there They are still standing as they arrived. That is him wrote directly on social media: "Now we we begin Operation Southern Spear." She, I think it's called something like that. AND
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nothing happens. This is the minister defense, who called himself the minister wars. This is, well, his official statement. And nothing happens from the largest army in the world. Well, that's how it is Is this possible? Well, this is just nonsense.
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Even regardless of whether we count them bad, good, whatever. So no May be. It can't work like that.
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[music] How did you study at school and how is it around you? reacted to the fact that you are American?
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Listen, I changed two schools, it turns out, Well, three. You were in the first and second grade.
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345, the teacher started doing something with rulers beat everyone, and my parents don't really care it went well.
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Did it hit you? Eh, I don't remember, first, second grade. I I don't remember which girl I liked.
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in the first second grade. I liked it. A somehow somehow somehow it all came together, How I liked the girl.
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in the second grade, right? Oh, yeah, well, there is. such an echo is often a problem, Briefly speaking. So, I remember this too. What's there?
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It happened with this, I don't really remember. Then I I went to 354 - this is the Karbozhskaya school. And this there was a school right in the Central Administrative District, where Why is this It's important, I'll explain. Because there was
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a large marble staircase in the middle schools where it was forbidden to go. Well, that is, it was possible to do it with it walk only 2 days a year when an inspection team arrived. Here. And we with friends
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Of course, they always walked along it, uh, any day, uh, for which we are strongly scolded. There So it's Karbovskaya, that's why we they constantly talked about Karbyshev, uh about his feat, then, whether it happened or not, Well, like, for those who don't know. Which means it's his
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The Nazis caught me at the stadium and forced me to kneel in the cold winter means, He refused to be naked. As a result, he they poured water on him and he froze to death, but did not kneel. This is what it is like, then.
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his story. The legend is very me was impressive. And, I must say, well, how how The idea is still impressive. Maybe, it put some things in my head Same. Here. Well, there they sang the Moscow anthem, They sang the Russian anthem and all that. All in all,
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it was a very official school, but with absolutely so solid there teachers with whom I am always I got into a fight because they have paragraphs there They read it from the textbook. It didn't seem to me This is a process of education. That's why
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We couldn't find a common language with them anymore. And then I got into a face I won't say what, just to be like that's all. Well, who?
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he will want to know, but just so that there, You understand, people watch your interviews, so to speak, uh, in quite a bit of detail. And here it is it was already great there, because there There was a great attitude towards students. We
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went on hikes, traveled to other cities, We traveled to Ukraine a lot. And there was such an attitude towards the students, Well, more like partners, but unfamiliarity, that is, without jokes fifty-seventh school, and with, well, sort of just a respectful relationship. There
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The teachers were professionals in their field. There I learned for the first time from a historian that, It turns out that the Soviet Union is actively helped Nazi Germany do military industry. -eh, despite the fact that Nazi Germany, it was
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under all kinds of sanctions, namely The Soviet Union actually helped her build a war machine. That is, like he made a significant contribution to it existed. Overall, it was great.
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place. And that's where I studied, well, relatively good good student. Well then There are some things like there are no Cs.
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How are your relationships with your classmates? Good, uh, good relationship. Well then We have practically nothing there at all there were some strange things because we felt, well, more like like this, I don't know, a separate collective from the world, or something,
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a little bit. Well, that is, as if we had we had our own joke there gymnasium, uh, we were all, that is, the most different, that is, I communicated with the most with different guys, there with the straight-A students
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communicated. We drank vodka there with the guys. in kasukhas. Well, I didn't drink until I was sixteen.
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Well, after sixteen we already started there, You know, it's cool to go on a hike, like you're lying in your backpack, looking there, like, My classmate is annoying me. These are like this collapsible stacks. Uh uh and I think we took alcohol, not vodka,
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because there's a lot of space in the backpack it didn't take long because the hike was with backpack, and it's quite heavy. And he there he pours a little, dilutes it with water, which we collected from our relatives in the evening.
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You look so beautiful. Here. Well, in general, as if with everyone, everything is with everyone there We found a common language, everything was great.
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And, well, it was such an interesting face. We they wrote term papers there, that is, well, with with your jokes. I was talking about religion there.
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I wrote a term paper once. Why, uh, early? Christianity, indistinguishable from sects, was my term paper topic. I compared there definition of a sect and what is in it Acts of the Apostles, everything else, like Everyday life in general was described there. Where there is
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cool moment, eh, I don't remember which one it is precisely in a religious treatise, where there, so God says: "Bring all the gold, what do you have, and one, uh, and put it together into the pit. One, it means, hid something
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gold, and God punished him on the spot." Here and I compared this with the existing ones sects and how they are structured.
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Are you an agnostic or a non-believer? Listen, rather an unbeliever and yes, no rather an unbeliever, well, because I positivist. I'm like, like, everything that What's proven is proven, and what's not proven or not proven. But in In recent years I have become respectful
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belong to certain confessions. Well, like, here we have Ukrainian combat chaplains who go straight to the front they drive and which are really, well, like help the soldiers a lot because that soldiers need something to believe in.
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Here. And to those who do something like that good things in this sense are useful, because what can be done using religion bad things, you can do good things.
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Those who did good things, I became close to them. there is great respect. Here. And the basics?
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No, I have not come across any evidence of God. Dad left for the States. Yes, he didn't live with you.
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Yes. No. How did you grow up and develop? when was he far away? Well, I don’t know, I have nothing to compare it with.
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Well, I was super. Like, I have absolutely amazing mom. I was bored, but not sad. Not, No, I have an absolutely amazing mom, which is generally heroic, so that everyone there were such mothers who would be powerful protect your children on Twitter. And then
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the world will be a wonderful place, then, where I think we will avoid war everything in the world. Here. Eh, my mother grew up later in At 12 years old a stepfather appeared, uh, who also played a very big role in my life.
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Because the mother is very I worked a lot, well, that is, when I was very small, that is, we were right very poor, uh, and like, well, she was it's very difficult, that is, like, well, for us there were boxes instead of furniture and that's all
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such. Well, like a very poor person, yes, again same in Moscow, but it was in Moscow, not there in what No, then it was not in Central Administrative District. In the Central Administrative District, then we are there and not in the Central Administrative District,
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There we arrived at Baumonskaya. Well, that's it. a short story, in short, uh, well, that's there was an exchange of apartments, there were grandfathers, Grandmothers, something there, this is somewhere here, the debt is huge, which she has there
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took, which was found the person who gave. That is, it is clear that somewhere in some luck, of course, but basically there it was a hard time for her, she worked three jobs and everything else. AND at some point when there is work there
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began to bear fruit, she became get more money there, but it still takes a lot of time spend at work, she started me pamper very much. That is, in that I'm trying to, as I suppose, to compensate for this frequent occurrence of hers
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absence, that I am often there without her I was left alone and so on, so on, so on.
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Here. Uh, so, well, that is, there, no I know, they gave it to some first grade there Bring a 0.5 bottle of cola to the after-school program a pack of Pringles. And it was like wow, I was just a king. Here. And I started
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freak out at some point. Well, that's how it is. Now, in hindsight, I understand exactly that because I got spoiled, This is hyperlux.
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And this is generally this, well, this is just this something incredible happened. And he appeared stepfather in my life. His name is Lesha, He's from Siberia, and he's like a swear word right away.
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He said he was shocked by you. Well, that is to say like he's spoiled and all that.
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Here. And he was not so much my own for me by some actions, but rather by example, and such, well, a male example restraint in the right sense. Well then there are some of these, you know, things, uh, which, well, for which,
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Actually, that's what a father is needed for. That is, the father it is not needed for the purpose of, like, he physically existed. There are many families where there are fathers, but it would be better if they were there
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there was none. Well, that is, the type that drink, They beat their wives, drink their children, and so on.
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Eh, and my father is basic in mine. I have no, By the way, children. This is more of a question for you, in my opinion, it is needed in order to to show by example, well, that's how to solve some life difficulties, like
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to behave as if it were honor, what Well, that's fairness in relation to to people and to yourself. And so, in general, for I became so important balancing, which, in my opinion, Well, maybe someone from the outside sees this
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differently, but allowed me a little to balance out and become something more, well, not as [ __ ] up as this it could have been if I had stayed only with my mother, who had a feeling visible because she often disappears on
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work. You said your dad was crazy. problems began to occur because of Chechen war.
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Well, in particular, yes, probably. I don't I know if it was planned there whether it was originally or not, it became strong trigger. He began to sing loudly. He spoke constantly, that there are mothers and everyone to the rest that you don't understand, there
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children are dying, there are dead children. Well, here it is he just got drunk all the time, beat everything around, everyone around. And even a cop somehow beat someone up. And that means he's a little in I wasn't sent to prison in Russia. Here. But
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somehow, somehow, they finally let me go, took pity. At that time, probably, uh, it was possible like that, right?
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For almost 4 years, I have been watching every day another war, Do you feel any kind of noise in your head?
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changes? I don't feel it, but I objectively understand it, that they exist. Well, that is, like they don’t may not be. We all have it because that, well, I, okay, like, work in this war, but everyone else is behind it too
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They are watching, yes. There is a witness injury, That's what it's called. There are people in Ukraine, who are there every day Rockets are flying, yes, which lead to explosions they get used to it. There are people in Russia who
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they hear the buzz of mopeds and are afraid write something wrong on the internet. AND all these people, including people in the world, see an endless number of photographs, videos and everything else from this war.
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Ah, but in my case, yes, it is like it's such a daily routine, therefore, I guess it has some influence. Here. But for me It's just difficult to evaluate from the inside. That is This is probably more visible from the outside. I
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I think it will cover me when the war will end. Well, that is, usually, you know, as when a person is in adrenaline when he is in moment, uh, like he doesn't feel it there. Well this is how people are in which
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They fired, yes, they just don't feel it. bullets in themselves and continue to go. And then, so, the situation there is a little bit he calms down, he also dies lies down. I'm certainly not going to treat I'm going to die, but I'm flying, I'm definitely going to
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lie on the couch for at least a week. Here so I think that sometime then there will probably be some, understanding how it affected me, but I don't feel it in any kind of daily way.
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Moreover, I even have a hypothesis rather, that perhaps I feel a little better, than all of you, because, well, you're on it look and see it through yourself you miss. I also miss it, but I I put this nerve into my work. Well,
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that is, uh, I don't have such a thing that he It really sticks in my mind. That is what I mean by this I share, among other things, in this way, Well, I empathize with the audience, together with the audience, together with everyone
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the rest. I think it should give, well, some kind of way out to this.
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It doesn't seem to get stuck in you. Well, something like that. Yes. Yes you said that you became a misanthrope and disappointed.
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So, I became a misanthrope a long time ago. Listen, it's, well, like a war, right? This is war I only strengthened it, but basically, well, and when was that the point when you Did you understand that people behave like this?
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I don't know what the specific point was, but if you look at anything, well, then there is something like on the state of humanity in moment, on history, and I just don't I understand how not to become a misanthrope. Well,
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that is, most of the history humanity and the current state humanity is a collection, meanness. lies, injustice and everything the rest, which is completely is carried out by specific people. A Features of Russian history. If you look at the history of Russia and
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Soviet Union, that's, well, history meanness. That's it, if globally somehow characterize. Well, that is, constantly and the state betrays you, and your neighbor betrays you betrays, and someone else betrays you, and civilian soldiers, God knows why, and other, other. So, well, sort of
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tymne, well, that's not entirely correct, me You seem to be describing this. That is, I, well, as if mesontropic, I understand, yes. Well, it's clear that we are probably a little bit exaggerated. That is, there is no such thing that I
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like: "Ugh, people, crap." Ah, that is, there is some cool people, my wife is there, my mom and many other wonderful people. Ah, and basically, well, it seems to me, It is important to protect people. I mean, well, mine
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current activity is protection the weak from the aggressor. That is it globally about people. Reasoning about people, about their actions, about their prospects, I rather treat this with with caution.
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Your words. I don't feel much sympathy for Donald Trump. Certainly, What happened was not very pleasant. If the bullet passed a little to the right, then the situation would probably have been a little better.
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Because in the end we have a situation, where Trump was not injured, but received hero's eagle.
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Yes. And to the right, this would have hit him in the sense head. IN head yes.
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Yes. This is not dehumanization, This is a fact. What I described is literally a fact, I think, with which you and anyone else will agree a man like Donald Trump in power The United States, of course, a negative trend for Ukraine and the whole
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the rest. So you would wish him death in that case? I wouldn't put it that way. I don't know anyone In this sense, I do not wish to die. I just recorded the fact that, like, well, it could
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if everything had gone differently. Well, this is the case, when you just in other words it is said. But it sounds like this, although wrapped in like a human, able to handle words a little bit non-obvious wrapper, as in what you
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I would like to be shot at you. No look Let me try to explain it this way. I'm a little bit I don't see the world that way. Well, I mean, like, I see peace from the point of view of the offensive
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consequences as a result of specific events. If Donald Trump were killed, there are options there that would be It's probably even worse there, well, because he already had Vance there and, like, perhaps Vance would have won and he would have been even more
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anti-NATO and so on. And perhaps, No. I'm just analyzing the specific events. I don't have, I don't know, thirst Trump's death or death wish yet someone. I don't think so because I I'm not concerned with justice in the broad sense
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meaning, but efficiency. That is, here I am, when I talk about Putin, what do I I don't give a [ __ ], he's on the bench the defendants will either be found guilty or die. Me too Some people are like, "No, we want that
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he's like a scadafi with a lopota in his ass, so he I felt everything so that he would be tortured." I I say: "I don't need this." That is me I just want the world to be like that
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the state it is in now is not was in this state. What is the method for this?
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It doesn't matter to me whether it will be achieved. So, analyzing this event, well, I I analyze from the point of view of consequences, which have come because if you pay attention, in this post, there the analysis is not of the right kind, it would be good,
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If Trump died or not, but he goes analysis of what will happen now, taking into account, that the shooter missed because it gives Trump extra points for in order to win. That's how I do it I see, do you understand?
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Is it right that you support? political assassinations? Well, if they kill Putin now, yes, I have nothing against it. Super, cool. We We're not talking about Putin now, we're talking about You're asking about general matters. No. If you
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You want to ask, did they support? political assassination of Donald specifically Trump, except for this situation, does not exist. Well, like, in this situation no, because, obviously this will only cause more problems for the world than under Trump. Well then
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There's something like, instead of Trump, it will become will strengthen the splintering Mago-electorate, This will give help to the Republicans medical facilities so that they can win, although now they are most likely they will lose. This will have a serious impact on
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Trump's policies, and this will make him a lame duck, and this will increase the chance that what will happen to us in 2028 some adequate, more or less president. Well, that is, according to adequate ones, I I mean the views that I
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seem to be most effective in in the context of the war in Ukraine and in the context world order. Well, that is, like in this second, at this moment in time No. Well, once again, it’s just difficult for me.
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explain that I don't have it emotional reaction. I have a story about consequences in the moment. Well then What if Margarit Simonyan dies tomorrow?
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or Vladimir Putin, will I be happy? Yes, Certainly. The death of a fascist is always a celebration.
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If, for example, Trump dies tomorrow. No, To be honest, this doesn't bother me much will please, because it will be enough a major destabilizing factor for and so it's barely holding on at all some perspective that is now
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appears in different variants. Here I tried to explain as best I could, as far as I can tell I don't fully understand yet.
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I understand the movement, but not this, yes, than your joy that didn't happen there or approval from the fact that his they shot twenty people that summer fourth, differs from the joy of those, uh who was cool to know about that
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Alexei Navalny was killed in prison. I don't see anything in common at all, Unfortunately, that's why they won't work. Look, You would be happy to die conditionally political opponent, person, which does not match yours idea of how it should be
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good at the moment in the political world. AND they rejoice at the murder of a political opponent.
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I wouldn't exactly be happy, but I would Now I'm just thinking, thinking, of course, formulate. Mmche Let's do it this way. So the story is that I wouldn't be happy specifically about Trump's death or something. He quite a comical, interesting character.
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I would have a story about that in my analysis of the consequences of what is happening, which will come better than the consequences, which were were murder, it would have been like in suit in It would rather it would help end the war in Ukraine
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more likely than not this murder. As for their joy about Alexey, well, I don't know about whom What you're saying is specific, here it's necessary disassemble. Everyone has different motives, about the most die-hard Z-propagandists.
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Well, they all have different motives, but that's not the point. The point is that if we take there, I don’t know, we’ll try from your head, you can probably imagine what they are They're just, I don't know, happy that he died.
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someone who doesn't agree with Putin or something like that. That is, they are happy, because it is emotionally unpleasant for them this man. They are glad that he died someone they don't like. I have this It doesn't work that way. Well, like, I'm not happy.
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And if the one who thinks that rejoices Now Vladimir Putin, well, sort of Putin's only competitor now that's it, he can't, I have never met any zatniks who think Alexey, therefore, is a big competitor Putin. They don't talk about it stop,
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stop, stop. They may not talk about this. A if if for a person from the point of view the onset of political consequences, so this is some kind of joyful event, then probably yes. But in this sense, how
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You could say that about anything. Well, that is, like if we equate motive, then the question is what is the difference, quite strange. Well, that is, there, I don’t know, you decided that you feel sorry for animals and you
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vegan. And Hitler decided that he felt sorry for animals, and he is a vegan. He really is was not a vegan. This is a well-known myth. But nevertheless, like, what are you then?
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are you different from Hitler? That is to me It seems like this is, well, some kind of super manipulative question when you You ask, like, is there motivation there?
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Well, in my, as if in my comparative in the analysis there it is necessary to add that and Hitler and I decided to shoot those who eats animals. And then we don’t have anything we answer. Then we don't respond in any way. I
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I compare through violence and attitude towards violence. We are talking about a specific motive relationship with some specific persons and actions. That is, it can be equated anything, to anyone. And here here is not the next step is needed. You just
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you take it if you say that you have it the motive that it would be better if event X occurred, which is political well death any person. And so the person the motive is that it would be better if X is there and
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Y, more precisely, another death is the death of a political figure. He would thought it would make the world a better place.
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Well, sort of, in that sense, yes. But I also I am no different from you, who thinks, that Putin's death would make the world a better place.
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I guess you think so. No. Well, yes, I think so, Yes? Well, that means you're no different from me, and I am no different from a znik. We are with You look like an ethnic. This is the same question,
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when this manipulation is formed. It is formed that we simply find there are two similar motives and we say, that people who have similar motives have symmetrical picture of the world. Like equate one evil with another. But this
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That's not how it works. Well, sort of anyway you can use anyone as a motive equate. I think it is the comparison is quite strange.
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So the question is no. The only question is this friend. I mean, uh, for you, for me I want to understand how much it is for you it is permissible for a person to go out in the country
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to the election rally and in it can will a bullet fly? Is there any way to talk about this?
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speak other than negatively about it evaluate? You produce a man, which for which it can be ok if it matches yours political?
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Norme, that's the right word. I don't think so, that violence in democratic political elections are acceptable in In principle, I don’t call for it either. I I say that the event has already happened, and that, in what form it happened, does
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the situation worse. This is what my text is about. It's literally written there that, like, Now Trump will have a hero eagle. Well there, that now it will be easier for him to win elections. This is exactly what happened. Well then
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That's exactly what happened, that bullet passed over his ear. So he did a bunch of photos with all this. Everyone became shout that he is the new Kennedy, and, This means his rating has gone up. That is This is literally an analysis that is taking place. No,
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I am against any kind of political violence in systems that are not captured and not usurped. That is, it seems to me, This is some kind of basic enough thing.
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[music] You were talking about Trump in the spring of 25. spoke. Donald Trump is a piece a degenerate who just It causes incredible harm.
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This is true. Do you think about him the same way now? Absolutely. Has your opinion of him changed after?
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of how he, Well, it played some role in that. at least several wars, if not ended, then stopped?
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No. I don't know such wars. opinion between Israel and Gaza there, firstly, nothing stopped, uh, because there are still going on and mutual shelling, and Hamas announced that he no longer considers the truce ongoing because Israel, in fact, in turn, announced that
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he liquidates these or those representatives of Hamas because they don't actually follow this termination. That is to say, no, I don’t think so, that somehow this conflict completed. I don't think so. Plus, uh, Well, Gaza and Hamas are not a country,
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so it's hard to say what's between the two countries, so, uh, he established some kind of world.
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So, I don’t think I’m talking about countries, I about wars. There was a war, these are the sides, these are the sides at once. Intelligence. Ah, I agree. AND Here Azerbaijan Armenia Well, the war was already over.
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moment. That is, he simply issued agreement. What's more interesting here is that he, Of course, he took over Russian territory in this meaning. Not in the sense that Armenia, Azerbaijan, the territory of Russia, and in in the sense that she always performed
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mediator and positioned itself as such. AND He is, of course, very, as they say, I gave Putin a piece of my mind, but that's debatable, Like, he screwed Putin over, or Putin did?
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I missed what was happening to him already quite often due to the focus on war in Ukraine. But no, I don't I don't think Trump has accepted anything anywhere participation that would make a significant difference status quo.
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Well, look, in Tel Aviv and in Gaza There are fewer missiles flying now. I didn't count, but mostly in Tel Aviv flew when they were at war with Iran. That there are some there, well, because they're from GAZ
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the missiles didn't reach very far because there, well, it's not exactly rockets, it's just so to speak, homemade. We flew from Iran missiles on Tel Aviv, and now they are they are flying. But this happened before, actually, declaration of truce. It happened,
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when Israel completely destroyed Iran, having destroyed all air defenses, and when Trump still from above he added blows to Ford and nuclear facilities.
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So the hostages who remained alive went out freedom. Yes, I don't remember if all the bodies they handed it over, yes, but Biden released it four times more hostages.
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Optics, It's not optics, it's a fact. This is a fact. No, listen, again. The American president is in power his position cannot but influence world. It still doesn't influence him. You list the things that can be put in a basket with good things. And I,
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Of course, the one who is hungry, I even told you I can add. Sanctions against Lukoil and Rosneft is also in this basket. Sale Ukraine also has weapons in this basket. What else? meeting with Alshanie and, in fact, the interception of Syria from Putin's
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hands when he started with them already practically agree on that save the bases there, also this one here Trump's basket. Of course there is Trump's actions, and for this they call me a hidden Trumpophile. Some, then, people who are particularly unhappy with him,
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because when Trump does normal things things, including nuclear bombs there Furd's objects in Iran or all these things, I say: "This is cool, this is awesome, This is how it should be, this is super, I will "hope that it will continue like this."
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Uh, and often, for example, when Trump is agreed to meet with Putin in Budapest, well, like I was recording a video, where I say: "Guys, stop panicking, "That means everything is fine." Well, that is to say, not nothing has happened so far. This won't happen
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meetings. He put Rubio there. Rubio will negotiate with Lavrov. Rubio - this is not Vytkov, so everything will be Fine. No need to tear your hair out and curse Trump at this very second, because everything seems to be going well now
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Fine. But we are not comparing with that, What does he do? What good actions does he take?
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or not. We compare with those that It would have been possible under anyone else like me I say, the president. And we let's look at the actions that he takes preferences, and how he undertakes them.
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And, in my opinion, under any other President or President of the United States The United States of America would not refuse their obligations to Ukraine, uh, because that this is strategic partner of Europe. And more or less any
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an adequate administration understands this, that this is a strategic issue. This is not the question of charity is a question strategic security. From the same the second story follows that any other the administration will not insist until Republican because
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Republican hawks, they are now Most shocked by Trump. They wouldn't abandoned their NATO commitments and they wouldn't tell you all the time, then that we need to go further away somehow distance itself from NATO. It seemed that This [ __ ] stopped after,
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So, Ryuto called Trump daddy. Madness. Well, that is, literally with us NATO Secretary General should call the President daddy for this the president, then, has gone out of his mind the thought that he needs to throw The North Atlantic Alliance through various
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body parts. Well, that's crazy. In which the world we live in, no matter if it's Trump's.
Speaker A
Uh, and so, well, like, it's now been published US National Security Strategy for 2025, where it is written practically the same as what was in Vence's speech when he came to the Europeans. What does it mean?
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United States? They are thinking of cutting back its presence in Europe continent and to help with defense Europe until 2027. Well, that is to say They are essentially abandoning Europe. There it is It's just written in slightly different words.
Speaker A
Why am I saying this? What anyone else the President of the United States, any other administration, let's even put it more broadly, because, well, Biden is not much different from Trump What's the difference? Because these are two grandfathers.
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with a strange, altered consciousness and with in large quantities, so to speak cognitive problems that fall asleep on events and which are not always understand what they are talking about, confused all the words to the right and left. Yes, we are.
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we talk about administrations, we talk about the people who surround them. Problem with Trump, what he has gathered around him the same idiots. You are this terrible of his solution. He has a Minister of Defense - this is
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journalist. There, with all due respect to the unit journalists, how can you not have them?
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Minister of Defense journalist. Well, this is nonsense. Well, like he just became a Fox News host a journalist with alcohol problems.
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Minister I did become the Minister of War. Here is that one, which means he has problems with alcohol. And when the senate asks him, says: "But if you untie yourself, suddenly you are now ties, if you untie yourself, you will leave your
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position." He says, "No, not will leave." Well, this is like a minister the largest army in the world. Who is closer?
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came close to ending the war between Russia and Ukraine? Biden administration. Of course, of course, of course, certainly, absolutely for sure.
Speaker A
Where was that closeness? Well, name it, you probably mean the negotiations that are currently underway and their what do you mean by let's go. No, not even negotiations, something like the end wars. This may not necessarily be the case
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negotiations, Yes? Well, America has become the main donor Ukraine in terms of financing, with from the point of view of weapons. This allowed Ukraine, in fact, has to defend the front and allowed Ukraine to get closer to that
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the point when Vladimir Putin would consider that continuing the war is pointless. I I'm 90% sure that if I hadn't won Trump, we would already be at this point.
Speaker A
That is, the whole, the whole path to this he just passed the point. What do you have in in view that they would free up the southern corridor?
Speaker A
No. What Russia would stop to move forward, so that Russia would get stuck front, while still suffering losses and bearing economic costs?
Speaker A
So, if you watch your videos, wait, It's still not making much progress strongly. She's not making much progress.
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strong, but still progressing. AND she's moving forward, but as if watch you tell what it is it doesn't happen as fast as it used to This is what the propaganda tells us.
Speaker A
That's all true. And what's more, Zd herself Propaganda says this is happening not as much as back propaganda, but still progressing. Actually, the idea is, which Putin sells to Trump, he says: "Look, we, well, he promised him take the whole Donbass in the summer, like, no
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coped. That's exactly why they appeared all these stories, when Trump started talk about the paper army and etc., etc., about the paper tiger. Not I managed it, but Putin did it anyway pushes mainly through the output of the sl
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a very simple idea. He says, "Look, we We're moving slowly, yes, we're losing we carry it, yes, but we are moving forward." And he he says: “I, he says, will fight until I won't capture everything. As I move forward, we
Speaker A
We'll capture everything, the SVO goals will be achieved." This is the thought he pushes through.
Speaker A
If it were Trump, he wouldn't have it. reasons to say so. If it weren't for Trump, he wouldn't have him.
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there was no opportunity to speak like that. Firstly, because it wouldn't made an impression on any other administration because it would use intelligence data and I would understand what the line actually looks like front. Yes, this is after Trump's meetings with
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This was Zelensky's main task Putin, so Trump can start throwing out cards that Zelensky brings him.
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Because when Zelensky was in one of the he brought maps to the meeting and showed how What the front line actually looks like, Trump kind of became, as they say, ours elephant, but not theirs with elephant, but ours,
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that means anti-evil. Well, that's it, actually. Putin called Trump, who told him Uytkov recommended doing this, here literally in these leaked negotiations, yes, where Uytkov tells Ushakov that I I recommend that Vladimir Putin I called just before arriving
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Zelensky, when Zelensky was driving for tomahawks. And here comes Putin, In fact, I was pedaling the story that You need to stop looking at the maps. On in fact, we are moving forward and will to advance means inexorably,
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slowly, spending huge resources, but inexorably. And this is the thing that Now Trump is following Putin's lead and the Trump administration, that Russia like he'll fight as long as it takes.
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Therefore, we must make peace under any conditions, because the result will still be the same.
Speaker A
If there was any other adequate administration republican democratic, this trick would work on them it just didn't work because Donald Trump doesn't believe intelligence reports.
Speaker A
What would have happened? That is, the most positive the scenario is that the front is really frozen. The most positive scenario Ukraine takes Crimea, goes to The Kremlin and all that, that in some moment was possible. But more
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realistic is just the front line would have stopped. Well, that is Russia. Russia would stop advancing altogether.
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That is, it would be impossible to sell no idea of promotion. At the same time losses would continue to be incurred. AND accordingly Putin, which is what it is the only option to end the war now he would say: "Okay, that's it, I
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"I'm so confused, we're stopping on the line." A What did you take, what would you say?
Speaker A
Well, because now he's crawling. solely on the fact that it crawls. Well that is, this is what he sells within his elite, that's what he is sells within Russia, that's what he sells to the West. I didn't crawl on these
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How much is 15 km per year? I can do that. I'm not mistaken, I'm not English.
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not 15 km per year a little more in depending on the direction, but nevertheless less yes then it would be directly 500 km per month On average, they have been moving forward since June and here is the man who is in the last
Speaker A
I came up with something in a public speech confused non-existent cities He got it mixed up, okay, let's say it was him too.
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I said Komsomolsk, but I meant Everyone understood what he meant in Konstantinovka he would have all the information as yes, it is necessary Well of course you can't. Look, what's happening now, mm, and what I have a video based on the material
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media zones where the cartographer is, Yes, who draws these maps, yes, dessert and told how they rice, Yes, and it explains how it works.
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Well, that is, he tells it straight out literally, it means how some come and They say: "Here comes the general higher up, he says: "Don't bang." All, A general comes even higher and says: "No, no, this is all [ __ ]."
Speaker A
What do you mean conquered? Well, like, yeah, mark it as conquered. Uh, what's actually more important for us?
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good than bad for us, those who supports, uh, the actual stop Russian aggression, because of that they draw these maps, mm, because of this they, for example, well, there there are nuances, uh, in short, for example, Russian units that
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They are requesting artillery fire here position if it is already painted in The General Staff receives a refusal because They say this is a territory that is already our, we can't send it there artillery fire and we can't go there
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drop fabs, and there it is, well, there is Ukrainian, yes, there Ukrainians are sitting there, well, no. Russians in in this sense. Well, it's all a little more complicated, because now the front line is not line, because now it's a layered pie,
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because at 20 km both sides are drones and and so on. Well, anyway, for anyone interested, look at my videos. But basically, yes, that is, like if Putin had been stubborn and would stand for a long time, this is what in
Speaker A
In principle, I hope this will happen in this war. So what is the key change?
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now it doesn't seem to me that there is any in general, progress towards peace. Well, that is to say I don't think so.
Speaker A
And, actually, well, no one thinks, besides the American administration, in essence, more precisely, except for the specific Vytkof and Trump. Even Ruby in her interviews speaks very differently than this Vytkov formulates. But yes. Actually, with with the support of the United States, with
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continued support for the selection if we imagine that they would highlight the same amount as was allocated, approximately 60 billion a year, while they would give weapons, they would sell them. That is European aid would not go to
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the purchase of American weapons, and, actually, for production additional weapons, including Ukrainian production, because there a lot of unused defense capacities, yes, then I think it's the Russian army I would have already gotten up, uh, somewhere, maybe even
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there would already be local Ukrainian ones breakthroughs. Well, actually, yes, it is. the literal story of what Ukrainian the army would be, well, about half more opportunities than now. And this, Yes, and this would lead to the establishment of a front.
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And Putin couldn't tell people, that we are moving somewhere because there would be no movement at all.
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Because if he is right now moves forward a little and tells, that we have moved further, everyone is like: "Who the hell knows, there's a sola there, they're the same There's a lot of time for this in the Russian army
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dedicate. Take two people, "The Russian flag is issued." They are told: "Run there and put it there. We We'll film it with a drone and paint it over." They run, They are trying to put this flag up. Someone has
Speaker A
It turns out that some people don't. Someone's drone breaks. But if they succeed, After this they most likely die. That If a drone gets them, then that's it, you have objective data types appeared control that you control populated area. This information is coming
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up. The commander who is this was engaged, receives a new medal, and Gerasimov reports that here we are took. This is what happened, for example. Well, I I can give specific examples, but it’s unlikely Are you interested in this? Now it's there
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the village of Dobropillya, which is not a city Dobropillya. This is exactly what happened. Well then there is a type of they ran away, they put flag. Thirty-third Ukrainian Brigade just showed how they were killed, and She also showed that she put a flag in the village. This
Speaker A
It's called flagovtyki. I think you I heard this terror. Yes. Do you use it often?
Speaker A
Yeah, well it wasn't me, actually. This is all It's not me, it's all military. That is the story in what you're saying, if you look your videos, well, that's a hint, I understand, What I have there means that Ukraine is everywhere
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wins and so on and so forth, I may, I'm guessing what you were trying to say formulate. Let's say there's a problem with this thesis is that I I rarely analyze things myself because, Well, I'm not a military analyst, I take everything
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accessible public information of various kinds military analysts Zytnikov, Michael Kofman, and Deep State, which, well, like these are considered the most adequate cartographers of this entire war. And as if they have an absolutely impeccable reputation, because they criticize their own
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The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is ee for false reports and all that. Well, that is to say like they're just the most reliable, you know, indicator again. Sorry, I'm sometimes in these are, well, these are important things. Bookmakers
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launched betting. What village when? will capture in Ukraine? Official bookmakers. Well, not official, well, something like that.
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So, here are some beech trees official bookmakers? It's generally difficult in the Western world, things are different there, that's not the point. Eh, and they launched the launch sweepstakes, then, what and all, Of course, they started saying that it was
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It's inhumane, where the post was released, where they said that we do not approve of this, because it is done by our mapi. That Yes, they take the Deep State map as a basis for these rates. That is, they pay out
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money, I'm focusing on the deepstees card. In my opinion, if this is not verification, it means that verification of merits people. That's why everything I do I practically say this in my analytical materials, it's, well, a reflection of others
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thoughts, well, like real military ones analysts. Well, some part of it It is processed, but not very well. That I speak from myself mainly in in the context of Russian politics and in in the context of my perception, uh
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international relations, let's say. Here there is quite little about the war. [music] What emotions do you experience when flies into civilian targets in Russia?
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Always negative. Well, that is, in depending on which ones exactly objects you speak of.
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The end of the twenty-third year massive attack on Belgorod. This monstrously it was enough because, Well, you have to understand that it's reactive multiple launch system is not selective weapon, and it's not a drone in Oil refinery. This is the thing that covers
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street. This is the thing that covers just some open areas. Uh, and it's a pretty monstrous weapon for applications. And it is practically inevitable, If it is applied across cities, why?
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This is also prohibited by international laws. Conventions, peaceful citizens suffer. Why did this happen?
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Well, if your question is global, then how would it be? because Russia started the war. If more specifically, if more specifically, so, uh, I perceive this situation how did this happen after quite a while serious shelling of Kyiv and other
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Ukrainian cities are in full swing. And this It was, well, like, a tooth for a tooth. It was a story that I don't think I know, This has not been officially commented on anywhere.
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Ukrainian side, mm, what was it history you know how nuclear deterrence. That is, nuclear deterrence works for due to the fact that each side is confident, that in case of application of any of The response from the nuclear weapons parties will be
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proportionate, that is, destructive. Actually, there are many principles in war. That's how it works. That's why, for example, Hitler did not use gas in World War II.
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Not for ethical reasons, yes, they have There was no Hitler. In the First World War gas war - it was one of the most monstrous problems, of the most monstrous weapons. And Hitler himself, it must be said. Here
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You see, we've already talked about this three times Hitler, well, I'm not us, uh, he violated everything These Hitler rules are not mentioned his. Well, in short, in championships, in debates, I think not would be praised for this.
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Debate championships, that's all there is to it. equals. They don't look public at all.
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discussion, because everything is different there arranged. There are specific rules there, specific points and so on, so forth. That Is a good debater? Not always.
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a good public debater. Sometimes it is in general, it's just the opposite, Yes. Well, that's a separate story, it doesn't matter, Yes. Gas. And here is Hitler in World War II He did not use it during the war. Why didn't he?
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did you use it? Because he knew that the opposing country also has it. And if he starts using it, then they will begin to apply. I perceive those attacks with roughly the same message. That is to me It seems like the idea was that
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Okay, look, you're hitting ours. civilians actively, but what if we your Path? And there were several there too exchanges, two or three, as far as I remember.
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That means they hit Ukraine, they covered Belgorod, struck Ukraine, Belgorod was covered again. This is all before New Year, in my opinion, was if I Right days before it. Thirtieth, day of the year. Yes. Yes. Here. And I must say,
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I don't know if it's directly related or no, but after the New Year, in January, m Russian number of Russian strikes across Ukraine for civil infrastructure, it decreased. I don't know if this worked.
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or not, but in any case, regardless from goal setting, because, you know, there is much that is monstrous in war effectively. But in my opinion, this is not makes the death of civilians acceptable.
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Well, that is, always when they die civilians, no matter what front lines, I think it is it's a tragedy because if a person doesn't participated in aggression if a person not part of this aggression, then, well, his death is in any case the end of life,
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Well, which is a cliff. There may even be a break no, well, if not life, then meaning existence for many of his acquaintances and loved ones. I don't know how, well, I I would probably definitely go nuts if
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I would have lost someone close to me. Just to clarify, do I understand correctly that We had a similar discussion with Ravshan Maskerov? I asked the question: "What are you you experience when you watch a video, like flies to the playground in
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Belgorod?" He said: "Zero empathy. U "You have zero empathy." No, how can this be? Well, like in people, In my opinion, there is no flag and the color of the passport it doesn't make sense. Well, that is, like
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A civilian is always a civilian. Did it make a difference? In essence, you just said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces hit tooth by tooth with hail civilian population.
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I said that back then too. I was in the reports then Goal. A large number of people died, in general not involved in this war, only place of residence. Does it affect yours?
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desire to support the army, Yes, countries? Once again, not Ukraine, not the country, the victim who was attacked, namely the country's army after she too does such things?
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No, it doesn't affect, because, Well, in my opinion, it's quite strange in this sense, to assign them as guilty in the sense that, well, of course, every a specific decision about each specific each specific one takes the blow
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commander, but I think that the limits Self-defense does not exist in principle. That There is This is your concept. You said that if a man breaks into my home, I well, sort of This is not what you are describing - it is the law
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USA. And I say, and I say that even if I am watered I mean, they'll pour it on me somewhere in a restaurant the right to shoot a person. Well, in my opinion moral feelings, and not according to the law.
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Here. And I think that the country that is destroyed by the superior force of the aggressor, has a non-legal right to any defensive action, regardless of that, yes, there is consequences, including for civilians. In any war, even that
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are considered legitimate military targets, it still allows for losses among civilians. And as if for me in this I mean, I still blame Putin for this. I I think that, for example, the Alley of Angels in Donetsk is Vladimir Putin's fault. That,
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which is often attributed to how all this is in Su, no, I think it's blood on in the hands of Vladimir Putin and to a greater extent degrees on his hands. AND Globally, I don't agree with you on this
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I argue. It is clear who started the war and why who happened. But there are specific ones response forms. And it's one thing when there military facilities, it's one thing when there point or at least an attempt at point
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blows, yes, that's one thing. And now we are with we are discussing a specific story with you, when they were just watering, Yes, People who died were not innocent. I am the same I'm asking about this. And the fact that you sound,
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Well, that is your concept, what a tooth for a tooth implies even like this an answer that is implied in advance death of children on the playground.
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It's not a tit-for-tat concept, it's the concept of deterrence, that is, fear that there will be a tooth for a tooth. And well, yes, of course, well that is, unfortunately, That's how wars work. And what's more, Russia has a lot of military advantages because of
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that Ukraine does not attack civilian objects. I'll explain to you how it works. Why does Ukraine have big problems with air defense defense? Because she needs to close entire cities. Because Russia is [ __ ] nuts throughout, in general, about everything. And Russia has this
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there is no problem. If Russia were forced to cover every district every city, she often has problems with air defense, it is not enough just for all oil refineries and everything else. But if she were forced to take into account
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this is what is actually the beginning happen in Belgorod? Because then Russia started to pull in there much more air defense, which created holes at the front. Once again, there are many monstrous things that military effective. And if you
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a country defending itself against an aggressor, in in my moral view, you mean the right to these things. Moreover, I believe that that, for example, international law, which is in this regard, it helps the aggressor because in fact
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Ukraine is fighting with its hands tied. this is time. That is, Russia has the right do whatever you want, but Ukraine won't, because she is, among other things, constrained international conventions and pressure Western partners. For example, the same
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Biden, who banned it at the end of his term, well, he didn't forbid it, but he asked Ukraine should not be hit by oil refineries, although this was extremely effective then. It was a successful campaign, but Ukraine stopped. Ukraine is fighting against the entangled
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with hands. And therefore, in my opinion, point of view of war when you If you are defending yourself, you have the right to use almost any means except those the purpose of which is civilian. IN these strikes on Belgrod that you
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You say civilians were not the target. That These blows themselves suggested more. You yourself said that grat is a thing, which That's exactly it, don't work selectively. This the goal was not to kill more civilians, otherwise they would have shot at
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other objects. This was a consequence of these blows, of course. Moreover, it seems, these, well, like they're empty collateral damage. I don't like This is a phrase. It is inhuman, actually, because it translates people in a state of some kind, I don’t
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I know, attribute. It's wrong, but in in any case, uh, it's not the goal to hit civilian. It's just that was used to stop attacks on their own civilians. To my the defending country has a view on this
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right, because the aggressor can stop this at any time. Vladimir Putin before or after the attacks on Belgorod the first strike on Belgorod could stop the war any day and can stop this right now, at any time day of the week, any time. He doesn't do that.
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does. You were talking about a commercial journalist. Black. Oh, what a I hope that the Russian military propagandist Chernykh itne drone, on which I helped raise funds for.
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Unfortunately, it hasn't happened yet. like all his colleagues. What's wrong? with Black? I won't talk specifically about the Blacks, because Don't give specific information about him.
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No, no, no. It's too small. He simply represents a whole caste people. I treat them all equally and I equally hope that the drones, that is, their everyone will be flogged.
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What kind of order is this? These are military propagandists. These are the ones who promote Russian narratives. These are the ones, who is making sure more people go to Russian army. These are the ones who do so that more people are killed on this
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war. For me they are all one world. smears. I have a personal attitude towards Black, associated with his two-assedness.
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incredible, I know him from uh for certain reasons, but basically they are all such tsitsagi, eh, Chernykh and all the rest, those who walk with the Russian army bombed cities or, as in the case Chernakha specifically about Mariupol, which
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tells, that is, you know, not so much and it’s bad in Mariupol, in its large material, he says: "There is even something in this this is some kind of philosophical beauty "Podolets", like any other Russian military propagandists. This
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people who feed the war machine. These are the people who help the Russian the authorities are killing Ukrainians and Russians, which go to the front under all array of this propaganda. That's why There is no difference between Chernykh and Kots.
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This is a binary value. You either help evil, or you don't help. This is binary value. And there are no gradations here, because whatever I do, I can't measure it, who can a specific code had a specific impact,
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who writes officialdom. Not good interesting, and who exactly did it influence? and beautiful, well written.
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talented articles by blacks who works for Usmanov. And I just I assume that the second one is much more.
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And so your claim to the blacks is that he works for Usmanov or what specifically, he produces when he drives around occupied territories?
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That it works in border areas? What works for Usmanov is mine personal claim. And his articles are that the reason why, actually, the drone, yes, it should hit him. Well, that is it military propaganda. Moreover, for people, which the clumsy military does not operate
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propaganda from Konoshenkov and Solovyov. In my opinion, well, it's simple extreme meanness and absolutely monstrous uh I don't know I just don't I understand how How many of Chernykh's articles have you read?
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Two of his most popular ones. And when was scandal and when there was a scandal, I read everyone else, but he mostly writes about something else.
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Well, everyone else that was on the site I watched it a year ago, and it was about the war.
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quite small. Well, that is to say, he is in He mostly writes about other things. These two, they were just resonant, quite strongly influencing, in my opinion. Well, well.
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it was enough to use the drones One line is enough to say that it's a drone. Well that is, uh Which m the one that will actually encourage people to join the Russian army and kill or people located in Russian
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armies, to kill. You didn't admit that On the contrary, people will read these texts about how shitty, dirty, hopeless it is there they won't go? What propaganda can be not only like you have there, that is not go, you'll be torn apart there, and when you
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you will convey it in this spirit, when in the spirit it's just like this absolutely destroyed, disgusting hopelessness.
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First of all, I don’t have propaganda. I don't I do propaganda because, In my opinion, propaganda is an introduction to delusion. I am not misleading.
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Eh, there is nothing in any of my videos. lies, at least intentional ones, because that sometimes there are errors associated with the fact that, well, there are some videos or photos that will be used later turn out to be fabricated and so on.
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Quite rare, but it happens. Uh, but no, uh I have neither outright lies nor outright lies. I never say what I don't think. I never I'm making up information. That's why I even I almost never refer to sources because, well, I can't
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check sources. As for there are no black ones and what you wrote, Certainly. Well, that is, like, uh, you know, those people who defended him like that in a way, telling means that these articles they are, well, at least
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some truth that we can find out in particular from the Kursk region. Here it is The last article that made a splash for which he was given a number of board positions, that, in my opinion, well, I'm very glad that
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Sergey Smirnov left after this a number of colleagues' awards because, well, I It seems like it's just a shame to continue be there after that. And his article indistinguishable from any other military ship, except that it is written more talentedly. That
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Yes, he goes with the Russians soldiers on people and says: "Well "Tell me what happened here?" And people, seeing a Russian soldier with a machine gun, with Russian flag, they say: "Here The monstrous Ukrainian Armed Forces, we are simply
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destroyed and so on and so forth." I don't I understand that in this article there may at least be someone I don't know, I need to figure out how to leave Russia.
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army or not to join it. On the contrary, this The article will evoke a feeling in anyone who reads it.
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hatred towards Ukraine. This article is provocative the feeling that Russian soldiers are great. These are exactly the things that it does military propaganda. I am of this discourse I don't understand the discourse at all. Well then There is something like I don't see in these articles,
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even if I had all the desire, if I I wanted to cling to something so that article about Mariupol, where he says that the bombings Russians are not as scary as theirs they say that in the article about Kursk
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the area where he talks about monstrous Ukrainian Armed Forces, I, well, just this the article about the Kursk region, it's generally He's no different from Evgeniy.
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Podubny, not from anyone else. Well then I'll tell you more, there are Zetniks, who wrote about the Kursk region much more categorical than Chernykh.
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Much. Well, I mean, like because, Well, a review of the Zetniks is my kind of Regular then history.
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And there were quite a few Zetniks, who told how, for example, Russian military is looting because They really did loot in Kursk areas. There is a video of them looting.
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At home, there's a video of them looting, uh shopping centers, and they wrote about this The ethnics paid attention to this Zitniki. And, to put it mildly, that's how it is since the story is about that, then it’s about
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a random person is watching on the Z-channel and like: "Well no, this probably isn't the army heroes and liberators." That's what I'm talking about I'm ready to, well, at least discuss that they did something that means something will discourage people from the Russian army. U
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There is certainly nothing like that for blacks. I don't I know. It seems to me that this whole thing the story around him is because This is an old friend-pie, then, all journalistic teams, because that this is the man from Kommersant, who
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was in all these Jean-Jacques, which rebelled when the head of the university was fired department of politics.
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Politics department, yes. Yes. Here. Well, it's simple. I know people closely who worked with Blackham. And he was just about in all this journalistic crowd. I think it is the only reason why at all People started discussing whether it was normal
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write war propaganda and go with by Russian soldiers. This question does not It should be. Well, that is, like any put another last name here, and no one will who will not have any questions. But we put We'll give you the last name of your friend, pie, and so on.
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we tell him the editorial board and tell him that What if it's not about what if it's secret?
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veiled sign. Even Nikita Tsitsagi in this sense it was. Well, at least there you can try to defend him because he At the same time, he wrote military propaganda because he was writing at the same time anonymous texts in a new tab, like
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Well, that's where the military really stands against us. and into the cold, eh, and in the cold, in the cold, he's the same text he wrote, and on a new tab he wrote some. Even here you can get something
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to catch on and say, "No, well, look, on one side he wrote about military propaganda, I went with Fifteen, with Akhmat and everyone else the rest, told some heroic wars, but kind of with a fig in I wrote these in my pocket under my coat."
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Here we can discuss to what extent does good balance evil and can we forgive war propaganda for Well, you didn't reason, that's also a plus.
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No, of course not. No, if Margarita Simonin saved a huge number of children. with his donations, Anton Krosovsky, in that including with the help of your film, I made an incredible service to all people who are sick HIV in Russia. Somehow it is
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influences what they do military propaganda for people to join the Russian army? No, it doesn't affect. Absolutely not. For People may think differently about me. You You can think differently. This is yours right. But I don't think that any
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something good done in parallel, conditionally the matter balances the evil that you you bring. When you call people go tag when you're people you call to go to Akhmat when you You tell them that these are cool guys.
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And if we take into account quantity ratio, when these texts are much more when at your funeral all Russian war correspondents are present They say: "What a cool man you were." Well, that is to say, no, for me this is not a question,
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Of course, it's not worth it, but at least here we can you and I will discuss it because we have something to put on the other side scales. In the case of blacks we have nothing at all put.
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Do you consider Yulia Latynina legitimate? the target of the Ukrainian Armed Forces? I believe that Ukraine can think so.
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I can't sign anyone up legitimate or illegitimate military goals because I am not international court. This should they determine after the goal liquidated. But I think that in Ukraine she is considered as such. Yes, wai quotes. I don't want Julia
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Leonidovna was blown up, but I wouldn’t be surprised, if this happens. Yes, because she is an enemy of the Ukrainian state.
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Do I understand correctly that in such a According to logic, you are an enemy of Putin's state Russia?
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Of course, you are also an enemy of Putin's state Russia. Yura, I will never believe it in my life, that you don't think about the fact that you can kill Russian special services.
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-Eh, Well, it doesn't take up a significant portion. my thoughts. Well then I will It seems to me, it seems to me, perhaps, well perhaps this is complacency and such working through with myself that I am not the first in
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list. Not first, but in the top ten 100%. Yes. Let's name the top ten your idea.
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Come on, come on, come on, come on. We will help people will be more vigilant. What if there is one there?
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the same as me. Well, listen, no, well, sort of. in broad strokes it's anyone direct political opponent of the current authorities, in whom the authorities see a threat.
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There is a problem here. Because The perception of the current government is specific. For example, you perceive the current government Khodorkovsky's creature. Here. That is you You walk under Khodorkovsky. Why? Because that the current government does not care about you and me
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perceives as subjective. That is, in there is always some in their presentation here is some serious guy, whom They consider him a serious uncle. Eh, and here it is as if he is responsible for you.
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Well, these are the ideas of the nineties, I understand, yes. And who are you under?
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I'm under the wolf. Certainly. And there are interpretations he thinks so, not only he thinks so Putin, but Nevzn also thinks so. Well then there is like yes, they are both absolutely in this We are sure.
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I don’t know why I’m under Khodorkovsky. I don't know. It started with how Solovyov started telling everyone that you under Khodorkovsky. Well, that is, like here They obviously have this opinion. Well, that is to say So give me ten then. Here
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eh, if we combine it and them his perception and objective influence, then there will be Khodorkovsky, Volkov will be there, undoubtedly. Well, because they are in in the eyes of Mostadont's authorities, that means, which controls everything. Eh, well, although this
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quite strange, in my opinion. There You will definitely be in this top ten. There I will be there. Mm, Yulia Navalnaya will be there, Maxim Kas. Of course there will be, undoubtedly, mm, Yulia Navalnaya, I hope not missed. Uh, well, I mean, that
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signed up. Because she, of course, Well, his last name is Navalny. This enough. That is, like, unfortunately, That's how this world works.
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Maria Pevchik. Well, how can I be above Maria Pevchikh there? be? Well Don't know, It's hard for me to say. More quickly, more quickly yes, Why not, but I think something like eleventh.
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Well, I mean, it seems to me that they just evaluate people differently who regularly influence the audience in a journalistic sense and less evaluate those who are in the investigative.
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Although, of course, here is Hristo Grozev and Roman Dobrokhotov, we know what's behind them literally hunt. Yes, okay, let it be we will be in the top ten pack investigators Maria Pevchi, Hristo Grozev, Roman Dobrokhotov. Like this. Yes,
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I guess that would be right, yes. But you you are definitely there. You are the most the largest, most influential Russian-speaking blogger. Well, that is, not as much as it was there in the twenty-second year, but still undoubtedly.
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[music] You publicly rejoiced at Tigran's death. Kiosayana, right? Moreover, I insisted, that everyone should publicly rejoice death of Tigran Kiosayan.
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As you understand, today we will talk about Kiasayana, who died without coming to consciousness. I am sincerely glad about this, as you are could have seen on my social networks. I am open and I consciously advocate for this
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actively mock the corpses of these freaks. Yes. Ae This is an introduction to the video. And in the video I I'll tell you why.
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Yes. I don't want to say anything about it now. Kiasayana, especially since I have nothing good I don't want to talk about him. It is clear that He spent the last years of his life there absolute evil. And I want to know about you
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ask. Don't you think that you didn't think someday just there self-reflection doing something or something else? And what when you in such a loud and active way you dance when you die even an enemy, even a propagandist, you are in your such
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internal health scale, here let's imagine that inside us there is, as in computer game, this health bar, which fills with these little lines us something from which we can to create, to act, to remain there normal, do something, something
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good. Don't you think that after each of these dances you have a little line in is this health bar getting smaller?
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I literally answer this question in this video, so whoever wants see the full logical chain, all I'll refer you to this video. It seems to me like this the presentation is based on several rather strange axioms. The first thing is
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Human death is bad. This not true. It depends on what it is the man died. If your enemy dies, who wanted to come to your house and kill your family, and he died in the process or after that.
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Just a second. Well, I'll explain the idea, then This is good. That is first base, that any death is monstrous, it is not true. This is wrong. The second thing is that You can't rejoice at someone else's death. This
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quite strange and quite new concept in the history of mankind. More Moreover, it is quite close to Christian morality. Well, what are you supposed to love there?
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your enemies, forgive your enemies, everything such. I am not in the Christian ethics, I'm not into it. Moreover, a Christian ethics is not universal, and there is nothing more human than to rejoice in death your enemy. Another matter is who you are
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do you consider yourself an enemy? Ah, and here's the one with the given you are an example of those who rejoiced in death Navalny, yes, they are there and for them Navalny's enemy, they rejoice in death Navalny. And I consider those who are enemies,
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in fact, it contributes to the killing of people, those who attack the victim. In mine scale Tigranki Osayan carries a straight and direct direct immediate responsibility for the ongoing war. That very one a brick of propaganda, that very man,
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whose death is good because propaganda became weaker. Of course, you can. say that he was in a coma and at that the moment did not impose conditions, but I am death I count from the moment I fell into a coma until,
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that is, how he fell back. If he conditionally recovered, as he does now Margarita Simanyan recovered, he would continued to go to all these programs, I would continue to tell you how good it is kill Ukrainians, tell how
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we need to invade Kazakhstan and so on and the like. By the way, I find it funny with this video, uh, I suddenly discovered, that no one hates Kesayan so much, as a Kazakhstani. Well, that is, something like there
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In general, well, almost all the comments are from Kazakhstanis, which is quite rare my videos. That's why no, I don't I think so. I think it's absolutely Fine. And what's more, I'm in the video I'm explaining why it would be great if
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I wish other people would think the same. I have there is quite a long explanation there, why i think this can act prevention of people from going into in principle, into propaganda. Because it depends as, you know, in my opinion, anyone
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At the end of the day, a person wants for himself look good, including the one who does evil, including deliberately. He he is looking for some kind of justification in himself, he is looking for something to rely on because
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no man wants it in his own eyes look evil. Well, just like the Nazis.
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thought they were doing nothing bad because they don't kill people, they kill, on the contrary, those who interferes with people, those who interfere, Actually, to real people. That's why This is, in fact, Nazi propaganda was determined to transform
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uh, the enemy's object into an insect. Well, that is to say This is a big part of Nazi propaganda.
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And, actually, that’s why it seems to me that any person of any level working for propaganda, he wants to approach at the end of the day to the mirror and explain to yourself, that he is actually good.
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And excuse me, but for you it's Kiasayan non-insect? No, man is quite scary mm feeling. You know, that would be really cool.
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to believe that there are orcs, that there are elves, what is the slave gene. It's convenient. Well Well, that is me, I have a slave gene No, but these people, they have a slave gene There is. So what is the conclusion from this?
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Why do people make this gradation? I I will never become evil because it determined by the fact that they are orcs, that they are not human and so on. But it's scary the truth about this world is that
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that we are all people, more or less the same. AND that's why with evil, including inside yourself, you fight every day. AND you must understand that you are susceptible this evil, that you can become evil yourself.
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And the worst thing is that he is a murderer, a sadist and so on, this is not an abstract orc, which can be determined, enclosed fence and rejoice. And this is your neighbor, and sometimes you too. And this is actually it
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it's much scarier than they think, that's what there are insects or orcs or whatever also, because the world would be much better easier. We would lock up all the orcs. Although, Well, the fact that Tolkien himself appointed the orcs
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hacking, quite so to speak, it's intolerant of him. They are nothing nothing bad was done in his universe.
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Doesn't matter. Eh, you're just robbing them. fence or destroy everyone with nuclear weapons a bomb or, well, that's how Hitler tried do, yes, he says: "We will do them all "We'll just destroy it." It's a very simple the picture of the world is cool because,
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firstly, you are safe, secondly, You are always right. Thirdly, you don't susceptible to evil because you just have If you don't have this gene, you're not an orc. I don't I'm under this delusion, like, Absolutely all people are people. We have
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There is there are traitors inside Ukraine who steal money on electricity or which merge objects, uh, saying where strike at the funeral that are happening. Hey, we have good people.
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inside Russia, which, on the contrary, They help Ukrainians, they help there to carry out sabotage or, in principle, They discourage people from joining the army, right?
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So this is not a story where there is clear separation by passport color or your genome. And it's pretty scary.
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consciousness, because I would prefer peace, where, as they say, everything would be clear, as you said, like in a computer game.
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Here are the enemies, here we are, fighting. Ah, ah, so you understand that everything is not so clearly?
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Well, absolutely right. Well, that is to say, to Unfortunately, the question is about something else. Yes, you started telling again, yes, tell why death propagandist - this is kind of normal. And that's all, What you say seems logical to me
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the person who helps there the defending country from fighting off aggressor. I'm talking about something else. What I'm talking about is that There is something invisible inside us invisible crap, let's call it, I don't know, mental the possibility of mental metastases there or
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something else. That is, when you can to ripen something, Yes, and then you or you let it grow, and in the end it will eat you up and just turn you into another person, it's much worse there, much less effective, much
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less pleasant, much, well, just like there would be another. And you can do it somehow through strength, through discipline, how, I don’t know, How does it happen with sports?
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So you're pumping up your muscles, or what about nutrition? you follow, you can follow and not give this to grow within oneself. And that's when every time you are happy like this public manner of death there propagandist yeah.
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instead of just remaining silent about it Ukraine should react and move forward help, it's like you're giving this metastasis to spread. It's in yours picture of the world where I just ask question. Didn't you catch yourself?
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And I answer it. What's that in yours? picture of the world, where these are metastases, where empathy for any death is important.
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And where No no no no empathy, big difference. I'm not saying to empathize. I there is no joy between empathizing and not whatever the word, well, don't be too clever, yeah, no don't pee on the grave. Here.
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There is a big difference, Yes. And I'm saying that you're starting from that it is a blessing not to be spoiled.
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Therefore, when we violate this good, it destroys us from the inside. I'm not like that I think so. And, actually, in this video I I'll explain why I don't think so.
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that's exactly why, having finished my thought, other propagandists who at the end every day they want to look in the mirror and see something good, seeing how they don't keep silent people actively rejoice at their death colleagues, where do they see that Margarita
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Simonyan has to hide the grave Kiasayana, because the number of those who wants us for it, hugely.
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and incomparably more than those, who did you describe who hates Navalny, because Navalny's grave It is open and people still bring flowers to it.
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And this is important because when you see this, you understand that no matter how much you persuaded, You are evil. You are definitely evil, and you then you choose whether to go this way or No. Someone will be able to do this somehow
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swallow, and someone else the other way around. And what the more he will see this, some black, which is why separately evoked my great emotions? Because I I know that he doesn't believe in all this.
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I know what kind of person this is. I know that he is absolutely, that he is absolutely the same views like you and me. And, in my opinion, look, this is much more meanness, when, knowing without error, you still work for this evil
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for any reason. And so I want these people looked at direct evidence that this side is evil, and that they have there was less motivation. this evil serve. And all this has a very utilitarian value, because in the end
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we will have fewer propagandists in a day, who will do this. Fewer people will join the Russian army, less people will be motivated to be destroyed Ukrainians, there will be fewer people support special military operation and, conversely, to oppose
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at least in questions, which also influences for decision making. So my goal is, for the war to end, my goal is to People in Ukraine have stopped being killed. Well, as a consequence, so that Russian people too stopped dying. And everything that brings closer
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to this goal, in my opinion, it is not that It creates some kind of metastases in me, and on the contrary, my soul blossoms and smells, when I get closer to this goal. And to mine look, as I do in this video in detail
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I explain why I recommend it to everyone look, although the others don't recommended so actively, I, in my opinion view, very consistently and I logically explain how exactly mockery over Kiosayan leads to the fact that Russia's ability to fill the void is decreasing
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his army. I sincerely believe this. I I'm ready to discuss specific issues there. logical chain with which I do this I explain, but my perception of mine viscera and metastases do not depend on of how Christian determines there
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ethics, which I do not consider myself to be, where Is any forgiveness good or bad?
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mock death and so on. And what leads to the world becoming It's better that the world becomes like that, as I see it, it's the best. For example, you You may see it differently, but I see the world differently.
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the best is when they don't kill Ukrainians and when there is no war. And I think that it is that one, that part, that grain which brings this stop onto this scale Wars are certain things. So, yes, mock Kisayan, mock
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Simanyan, when she dies, I hope, it will be soon, and above all the others It's not easy, in my opinion, morally it's justified, but it's also quite effectively.
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[music] You said something about a traitor to Ukraine. Mindich, traitor to Ukraine. Of course, well there is no court decision yet, let's go we'll make some reservations here and there, but that's all the evidence that is presented, I
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I find them very convincing. Umerov, whom he called in those wiretaps, traitor of Ukraine, As far as I understand, there is no such thing yet there is no feeling of Ukrainian society. I don't I understand Ukrainian politics.
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And here is your feeling, I'm explaining. I don't understand Ukrainian. politics, so I don't know who's there, what, where, how. And I focus on those, who is considered for me, what is called moral tuning forks within Ukraine.
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Yes, well, these are various social activists, volunteers. This is Sergey Sternenko, this is Butusov.
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Sternenko is a moral tuning fork for you. From the point of view of the perception of good and evil in Ukrainian politics, yes. Well, that is to say, yes.
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That is, he is clean, he has a lot of strength and time and spent the rest on that help Ukraine directly. He criticizes leadership in those moments when he thinks that she is wrong. criticizes quite often. Actually, the slogan is,
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which he promotes, we will change or we will perish - this is literally important story. And that's why I rely on him in many ways.
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I am also guided by this, but here's the thing some pool of military analysts and, actually, social activists who, on In my opinion, they do a lot for Ukraine. And for me their opinion is important.
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this or that case, because I don’t I have my own competencies for in order to determine, that is, Umerov conditionally under my suspicion, because He's [ __ ]. Let's explain it to those who haven't heard.
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wiretapping, they called him and said: "There is defective armor, yes, you need them can. Make them accepted and given to the people who protect our homeland, defective armor." What Murph answered him?
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He says, "I'll watch something or here that's all." Yes. And that's how you should answer when you No, absolutely not. In my opinion, that, what has been published certainly raises a number of questions questions to Kumerov and, it seems to me,
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quite serious questions. AND, Actually, I think they, well, they told him are being asked right now. In Ukraine quite an active civil society, despite the war, you know, like I often I hear that there is a military in Ukraine
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censorship, and I know for sure what it is it's not true because it's big the number of sources that I I use these Ukrainian sources. I I know that they wield power in a way that no one else does.
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Russia even rinsed before full-scale invasion. There journalist for busification stripes, and some yes, some no, but only a little.
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Well look who among those who are in Ukraine, we'll have to take a little step back, discuss busification because e different under this term different imply. If you mean busification as mobilization, that is, that people are being forcibly recruited into the army,
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then no, they will get very little for this, because mobilization and forced mobilization is always an action authorities defending the country during military conflict. Mobilization, it is always forced.
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Yes. There are no exceptions. And for what? Yes. And the second one And the second is when during mobilization, During buzzification, measures are applied, well, or the power of excess, where it is already crosses the line of the legal field and
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moral field. For example, like They take him off his bike and push him into a bus.
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They take me off my bike and push me into a bus. I don't see any direct violation here, because it's forced mobilization. If you don't come by summons, you are caught and taken away. A violation? A violation is when,
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for example, they stopped a person there in the car, he didn't get out of it, her poured pepper on it. Well, that is, just out the window they poured it like that, and then it happened investigation. I really don't know what
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It's over, I need to see. Here. That there is, unfortunately, in conversations about Many are against usification in principle forced mobilization, that is many people simply mean by this forced mobilization. Me too against forced mobilization, against the war, against all this.
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Well, unfortunately, it does exist. And the country, which is at war with another country, more that which surpasses it in all respects mathematical parameters, quantity tanks, planes, people and everything the rest, well, there is no such thing no other option than forced
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mobilization. It was, it was even the USA during the Vietnam War. They have, True, the mobilization was strange principle. They pulled out like years and months of birth. Well, that's kind of what they have.
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there was a lottery mobilization, because of which some people, yes, deserted to Canada and so on, so on. Well, that is, it is impossible.
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war without mobilization. It's not like that It works simply. Who will come up with it?
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alternative? Well, like, I have both hands I think there is a monument to this in Ukraine.
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will deliver. But there is, in fact, an excess during mobilization. I know there personally several cases when a person they sent a summons for a specific date, he was going to go this in 3 days, and his Like, on the second day, for some reason, from a minibus
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They caught him, pushed him and took him away. And he like, "Why did you do that? I don't Understand. Well, like, I have a summons, I will come along it." Or when, actually, force is used without justification this. That is, conditionally to a person
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are suitable. If he says, "No, I'm with I won't go with you." They tell him: "Let's go." He resists, force is used. This within the legal framework. Every a citizen of Ukraine who has citizenship, signed that he would
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to do this. Is this good? No, it is monstrous. But that's how war works.
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Unfortunately, it can't be any other way. Who will figure out how to fight differently? Well, like, You are welcome. And that's why, if you you speak of condemnation of busification as mobilization in principle, that is, a large the amount of criticism that she
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it goes wrong, that it goes wrong it's inefficient that we have to use coercion precisely because that the information mobilization has failed, that not enough has been done, this is what they write all from Bezuglya to Butusov, the same
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Sternenko, open anyone. Any Ukrainian. Ukrainian truth constantly. Well, that is to say, Ukrainian Truth is one thing.
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one of those most critical of the authorities publications that describe all these problems. Look at the post there.
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performance in front of various deputies and other. That is, there is a whole bunch of this stuff there.
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As for the busification, I mean, here where the rules of law and everything go the rest, yes, is criticized by everyone. Well that is, like including the official one the SU management, which says that this unacceptable, we will investigate
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each case. For example, there was a story Recently it's been really weird, where a guy ran out of the TCC bus, which itself is not a TCC.
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Hit some dude or something he ran in on a scooter, or maybe a bicycle back to the bus. Well, minibus, no a bus, and this minibus is, well, like wagon. And he left. Here. Well, it's by evening.
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They caught him, which means they arrested him. Again, no I didn't follow what happened to him next.
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About Mindich and Umer, about energy. Yes, in general, there are questions for Umerov, my point of view. That is, yes, this recording.
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She is there. Eh, it's not clear what to do next Umerov acted, what happened to this to everyone, why did he answer like Well, that is a friend of the president is calling you there, a friend your boss, yes, and he says,
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that means, this, that, that. You tell him you say: "Yes, yes, yes" and nothing you do. Or you say, "Dada, yes," and you do as he asks, resist. This an open question that I think is not yet completely closed. That's how it is there,
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I don't know yet what will happen next. I'm following the Ukrainian reaction because She is more reliable in this sense because I I'm not completely into Ukrainian politics.
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I imagine who does what and everything else. Could Zelensky have known what he was doing?
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Is Midzic behind him? This is a good question. And you know, on him I have a rather strange answer.
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It would be better if yes. If Zelensky knows about these schemes, he knew about these schemes and condoned it, better than if he didn't know about these schemes. Because if you know about these are the schemes you are promoting,
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then you can yell and stop. Well that means it's not you Profokapilisya, which means it's like it's passed you by it happened at such a level, which means, what are you like: "Okay, do what you want", like, and all that. That is,
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there is a possibility to stop this abruptly, if you haven't lost control of it.
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So? And if you didn’t know that these schemes exist, but that's bad news because it's It means you don't control yourself.
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the largest structures. This means that you You don't understand how to do this. Me personally I think that Zelensky probably didn’t know, because, in my opinion, Zelensky I trusted my surroundings very much, in that including Ermak. There is a lot about this everywhere,
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in any edition. There are as many as five on Medusa, In my opinion, there are profiles of Ermak that he I trusted him very much and that many he left internal issues to his discretion Ermak, which, in my opinion, is bad
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news for the reasons described above. Here. But yes, as if regardless of that, I knew Zelensky or not, it's in any case his responsibility because, well, we We've already eaten in Russia, the Tsar is good, boyar bad, like they just ate through the roof.
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It never leads to anything good. leads. [music] I want to talk to you about Oleg.
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Kashina. Why didn't you tell me about him? You, when sanctions were imposed against him in Ukraine, you suggested, you said that When will Great Britain introduce it?
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where he lives. And when the scandal about there was a book fair, you said, and Kashin personal, and all his books must be sent on the first flight to Russia to the rest of the Zetniks.
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Why do you think about him like that? Do you know what kind of books Cashin has?
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These are collections of his texts, Yes, his columns, which he released for you read this war and a little bit before that any speakers, porridge?
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Yes, sure. In the spring of 2014. Ah, well in the spring of 2014, Yes.
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It was a long time ago. The thing is that, well, and in general that very so-called Russian spring, what he wrote, I I don't think so, what he wrote in Russian in the spring, he wrote about the Russian spring. That
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Yes, I talked to him and talked quite a bit. in a friendly manner after it was already Russian spring, in his, so to speak, liberal period, when he, well, Kashin, he always pees against the wind in his head, that is, he
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plays away from the partner in the opposite direction. AND We just started talking when he was driving on Komsomolskaya Pravda, Yes, on Komsomolskaya Pravda there was a program with By Roman Golovanov. Roman Golovanov - This is a super-studied vatnik-Putinist. AND,
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Accordingly, Kashin played from him. AND therefore, both in his views and his actions They are very volatile. So, he is became such a super liberal back and forth against Putin, against the war.
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So, he either joked it off or kept silent answers to questions about Crimea and so on. AND It was during this period that we became friends with him communicate quite closely and in a friendly manner.
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And, uh, well, from that period onwards I looked there his streams, read his columns and so on further. Because, well, from time to time he he writes with talent, he has such a damn, he likes to write interestingly, and, on
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In my opinion, this is uh, unacceptable. Well, that is, it seems to me that when you you put interestingness above all else the rest, all of any other thing, everything, ah, it's, well, when you have a priority It's interesting when you have this going on
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not the second, third point, but when your first point. The main thing is that it is Interesting. And if you are at the same time you are engaged in political journalism and journalism political socio-political, in my opinion, it's unacceptable because, well, it's
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it means that you are always to please you will sacrifice all interesting things to the rest, what's actually going on with Oleg It happens all the time. I don't follow Oleg for the last year. Maybe something in his life has changed, I don't know. But,
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actually, after the start of the war He is quite active, in my opinion. continued to help her, telling that don't forget who is in This war is ours. When the war started, he published Is this the first day of the war or the first night?
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war or even before the war Yes, but no, it was during the war. Well, in I mean, the first night of the war. But he never did not renounce this post. That is, when asked if you had changed your mind
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or something like that, he says: "No, no changed my mind. "Everything is the same." And He is against war.
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Igor Strelkov Girkin also performs against the current war in its current form. That doesn't make it, you know, to be against Putin is not enough. Big the number of residents is against it Putin. Igor Girkin is in prison for this.
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sits. Yes, but that doesn't make them anti-war. A man must perform against Russian aggression. Human must oppose the Russian idea, in my opinion, which consists of that you can capture other people's territories, in particular the territory Ukraine. And this is a blessing. Actually, Oleg
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Kashin still stands on these positions. Oleg Kashin still has examples of that he's still standing here after every time he is asked and on a living nail, and on his streams about that, why and how does he relate to it at all
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Crimea, he says, yes, it is a territory Ukraine, its annexation, territory Russia - this is its annexation - this is great blessing, great happiness, great joy. But he is against it territorial integrity of Ukraine. He advocates for the Russian Z-idea, which
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is that you can to take away the territory of another country. Not. A about what happened after twenty-second year, when Crimea was already 8 years was annexed. That's after that, When does he talk about what?
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Well, he says it depends on that he is glad that we came in into Donbass even deeper and what has become he is not happy to capture this, because Russian soldiers are dying, because Russian No, again, he it does not support from the same positions,
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that this is not supported by the buttocks, but at he continues to tell that the seizure of Crimea is good, it's right, legitimate and cool. He continues to be supporter of the Z-idea, because the Z-idea not in war. The idea is in the plane,
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that you can alienate other people's territories in circumvention of international law. To my look, a person who is in these ideas - This is a zetnik. Let's go into detail. Let's go into detail.
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So, like Kashin, that's how you you read, he still thinks that Crimea, the annexation of Crimea is cool, but this against the war of twenty-second year, He speaks on the twenty-fourth.
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So again, the nuances are quite important here, how exactly he performs. But come on, Well, because he speaks, he says: "Look how many Russians are dying soldier." And in general, all this was possible make it softer, and in general all this is possible
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it should have been done differently. Well, that is to say he has such a position that no matter what he does against, as they say, liberation Novorossiya, but believes that the methods by which this is done, they are wrong.
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So, once again, he is in forwarder ZT. Problem Well, let me not talk to you, I I'll say with liberal journalists, neutral towards Oleg Kashin, that they don't consume Oleg's content Kashin, in which he answers all these questions,
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which you ask me, he answers directly to its viewers and to subscribers. Yes, for a small audience, Yes, his media influence is negligible, but nevertheless, he remains in the idea the admissibility of seizing the territory of another countries, not only Crimea, but in principle
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that Vladimir Putin and Oleg Kashin called Novorossiya. But at the same time, yes, he opposes the war in its current form in the same way as Igor Strelkov Girkin, that, in my opinion, it is not sufficient in order to call them anti-war
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people. Yes, but Igor Strelkov Gerkin correct me, that is, you can see it better against the war in its current form, because he thinks she's walking more ineffective. If the government is like him If I wanted to, we would have reached this point long ago
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Transcarpathia. That's all true. Oleg Kashin Kashin too. Oleg Kashin believes that the war is being waged ineffective because Russians are dying Guys. And if, then, they had not perished Russian guys, that's the territory, which is really part of
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Great Russia, could be part of Great Russia. You see, for me the idea is not limited to Russians, storming the village of Babk.
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The idea and emergence of this war, why I I say that she is an instigator, is based on the very idea of justice belonging to someone else's territory states of Russia. The admissibility of this in in people's minds led to this war, not
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not to mention that, well, we decided skip this, yes, like Oleg Kashin called for the troops to be led in order to to seize what he calls Novorossiya, before a full-scale invasion. That's why Why, Yes? I understand. And the very first video on
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on your channel, yes, This is the broadcast, where it's with Plushev, where the guest is Oleg Kashin.
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The second one, actually, is also related to this It's a funny story because you hid something.
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Uh, no, we didn't hide it, we didn't upload it, because initially our broadcasts started on Twitch. My crazy idea was that there was already something on YouTube there's a lot of stuff, and there's nothing political on Twitch It's not enough, so let's do Sasha's task
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It was a little different there. I wanted do it alone without Sasha. Uh a separate story. If you want, we'll discuss it.
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In short, uh, why am I telling you this? On the first broadcast we had an announcement that something like Well, Oleg Kashin will be on the next broadcast, It's like there will be a guest broadcast. And the first ones
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the money we earned We made money, we made money on Oleg Kashin, because people in the chat started write: "Please remove it, I'll give birth to this goat, then." I said: "No problem, 1,000 rubles." And they donated to us
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1,000 rubles And I didn't remove the camera. No, No, he was not on this broadcast. Was There was an announcement and a picture that Oleg would be there.
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So, I removed this announcement and said: "Fine". That's why we are on Oleg earned the first money in history our Sasha at that time Channel Two chair that was on Twitch. But yes, it is There was a broadcast with Oleg Kashin. And not the last one,
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There were a few more sweats. Yes, in general, you had broadcasts, you are very You simply coo kindly. Well, well It's like a wonderful relationship, everything Great.
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But at the same time, for many years now He was the author of the lyrics. I'll read one of them them. So, bloodshed in the south-east Ukraine may be stopped almost instantly, if the Russian Federation leads in regions engulfed by civil war
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their armed forces. The sooner from Rostov and Miller will move west tanks, armored transport trucks soldiers, the more lives there will be saved and the sooner that will end the horror that is practically in the air today from every news item in Donbass. The sooner
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polite people will appear in the region, I hope all this ends soon. And prose idea Russia's peacekeeping experience in post-Soviet local wars are great unique. Neither NATO, nor ON, nor some other soldiers couldn't do it like that the same as Russian, quickly and efficiently
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stop civil wars. That's all true Why then that Z idea that you have here So now you're screwing her, then she'll screw you didn't it bother you?
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Yes, it was, well, years later, probably. five, smooth. In five, Yes, 5 years after this publications.
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And Oleg Kashin was perceived in journalistic circles and in many is still perceived today. I think, you perceive it this way now some kind of trickster, like a person who takes up a wide variety of ideas simply by
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joke. For example, at some point there was A zealous communist, then, during the times of his youth. Then, I think, he was reddish-brown, I don't remember if it was reddish-brown, well, it doesn't matter. And, in In general, he was perceived in the crowd as
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like some kind of trickster who he writes something half-jokingly, half-truthfully, Who the hell knows. At the moment, actually, already the stream that you are describing, which was 5 years after this publications, Oleg Kashin already occupied absolutely liberal positions, supported,
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so, everything good is against everything bad, as I mentioned earlier, So he joked about his position on Crimea, about its position. A in my opinion, at that moment, I I would like to emphasize that in my opinion, yes, that is
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It seemed to me that he was talking about this topic for I decided to myself that it was just a quirk. Well, that is, like, and what is this again there was that very writing against the wind.
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Moreover, the story with Crimea is not was perceived in the nineteenth century, accordingly year yes no was already perceived so acutely. It seemed that Well, that was the past, you know, I have another, another regret about this about. Mm, I don't know if we will
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talking to you about guilt, responsibility, as it should be, in these kinds of things, but maybe not will. Ah, so, I personally blame myself I am very much for the fact that we all, I myself, for the fact that we all, for the fact that I personally
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I ignored all these shows on propaganda channels that, well, ironically called in the journalistic community: "And what's there?" because many perceived it as This is the goal of these shows, which have been running since 2014.
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regularly, almost every day, aired on federal channels pumping up hatred towards Ukraine. Mm. It seemed to us then that the purpose of these shows- to divert attention from Russia's problems. And I I blame myself for not recognizing it then,
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that nothing like that, that it was the story about pumping, that is, what is all this time endlessly pumped up the audience hatred towards Ukraine. Then we need this seemed funny. Well, me and mine colleagues, let me put it this way, here,
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Not to generalize, but for me personally it's seemed funny. Personally, it seemed to me, that there is no need to do anything about it, because that this is nonsense. And everyone understands that this is rave. That's why in 2019 the attitude
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it was like something that it really has passed and it's already like it's not on agenda, that there are more pressing topics, there are more relevant ones of our own problems and so on. And since Oleg Kashin at that time, as I already said,
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when he, then, communicated with Roman Golovanov, he took his place there, not I know, the liberal phase, my very own I don't like the word like that liberal, or rather not liberal, but here, let's say, acceptable to my values
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phase. And what he wrote in the past, mm, Well, to be honest, I didn't know everything.
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his articles at that time, for that period. I didn't watch for the cough in the fourteenth year, because I didn't know anything at all back then I was in journalism and didn't read columns and other things, but this is not knowledge
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releases from liability. I could Google it later, in the end. Here's to me it seemed that this was his trickster incarnation, all of this there was drawing. And in fact, here he is This is the normal Oleg we have
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we see it in front of us now. that one here Oleg, whom I saw in front of me, is the one Oleg, with whom we spoke on these streams, it was completely normal a person with whom we not only spoke
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On streams, we were friends. Well, I mean, we were texting each other. Outside of streams, we called each other. I there he called when Roman Golovanov he betrayed him by going to Solovyov and dousing him I think I called and said: "Like
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"It's super unfair, Oleg." Well, sort of other. We discussed various things there with him.
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things. He wrote me all sorts of different things things that I don't really tell, because he told me this in his personal correspondence wrote. Because when I stop communication with a person, I uh inform about and I delete all correspondence with him. Well,
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just so there are no temptations in at some point. To feel nostalgic, not to be nostalgic, but at the moment, when if we are with this person active conflict, so that there is no temptation of things from personal correspondence on
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turn the public inside out. Here. That is, I had, well, I was like that are you tempted or I have I have. And I don’t have me, well, if all my correspondence will be revealed and I will suffer
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only people I correspond with, because so that you won't be tempted later tell me, yes, in case there is something there, because What is this? Yes, it was before the war. Here that's why I kind of stopped with him
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communicate, I'll even tell you in which the moment it happened. There was some story with Ilya.
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Azar. Oleg thought it was funny to do cover by Ilya Azer, so on stream. A he had already been there for some time at that point not with Roman Golovanov, but with Churcher Eduard Chesnokov.
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Yes. Edward Chesnokov, I'm sorry. And since Edward Cheshnakov was not so ardent Putinist, but was a great lover Kashin and all that, Kashin started strong drift in the other direction, that means, write posts about how he is Navalny,
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that means some kind of agent, or not agent and all that. Well, I've been for a while I looked at this and wrote it off as some tricksterism, but already strongly was tense. For me, this is the point
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The cover was by Ilya Aizer. And then I turned on this stream, and Oleg, then, read the message and said: "Here is Ilya Azar wrote that he kind of stopped talking to me.
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communication". And I was riding in a taxi then. I'm like, "Well, I guess that's right, I guess that's it, Yes, that's what needs to be done." I wrote to Kashin, that I too: "Oleg, I'm with you I'm stopping communication." And he wrote to me,
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replied that you, well, you understand, that you are not Azar. I'm like, "Yeah." He says: "Okay then." That's all. And on After this I deleted our correspondence. stopped communicate. So, again, I'm finishing answer this question. At that time
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I didn't know much about it at the time his position. I didn't consider it critical.
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important. I thought that the person who In front of me is not the same person. And in the moment when 20 February 4, 22 happened February, I forgot how short February is when the beginning of the year's entry,
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Yes, February 24, two days into the second year. I'm sorry. I count the days of the war, I just have according to the reports they come out, and I know which one Today is war day, but I have a hard time with
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dates at this moment. Well, I realized that history, the fact that Oleg continues to insist on these things, on these things, that he, well, he affects some part, that is, it has changed, that is, it has not changed
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Kashin, has your attitude towards to him. My attitude has changed. You didn't notice this Z before.
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I forgot. No, at the time we were talking, she wasn't there. That is, his imperial one this thing wasn't there.
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She was there, but she didn't show up with you. She did not manifest itself with me, did not manifest itself in his other broadcasts, because I watched many of his broadcasts, read his columns on for this very reason, we launched them on
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on the morning broadcast on Echo of Moscow and so on further. That is, it did not manifest itself public activities.
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Well, that is, Kashin remained the same, and you became much more principled and legible and categorical. Look, Kashin is not left the same as he was at nineteen. That I stopped communicating with him before the war.
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That is, I stopped communicating with him in that moment when he changed into that the side from which we are talking about we say when he became conditional again ethnic, that is, when the imperial ones these things came back into him. I still do
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I insist that at the moment when we we talked to him, that's what he had There was no public rhetoric. A accordingly, when the war had already begun and he continued to occupy these positions, I I just know roughly, well, the audience already
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that Kashin, yes, who returned to to your Z-settings. And that's pretty passionate young people. Uh, me too I sincerely believe that, well, Oleg's position about the admissibility, uh, of the idea as such, in in the sense that it is not spoken, but the following
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from his words, well, she could have encouraged people to go to the front. I really do I think so. And I think that, well, this position is unacceptable under the conditions of -e, Well, when we already know that all this is not
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giggles and giggles when we know that ZT idea leads to really a monstrous war with the killing of people. I I think that even if Oleg was a prexter, who thought that all this was not very good Seriously, yes, and I thought he could do this
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so, like, to espouse, then from the moment, how the bombing of cities began, So what's the idea? He supports these bombing of cities.
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The idea of admissibility, the seizure of territory, that was acceptable for him, that annexed Crimea. For you she is automatically means that it is possible and bomb Mariupol.
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There was none. It was not acceptable, and still is remains. Fine. It is possible that they annexed Crimea, Yes?
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Eh, don't bomb Crimea. This means that for it is permissible for a person to bomb Mariupol, Kharkov, Melitopol and all the rest cities?
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One is directly related to the other, because What Well, that might not be true. This is not It may not be so because This may not be the case. After all, if one it was done this way, yes, that's it
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It was also impossible to do. This is a violation everything that is possible, but it was done just like that, quietly and almost without shots. But here's another matter - this bombings and everything else. And, well, there is
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people like Kashin, despite all that he I don't like him, he doesn't interest me. I am now I reason about this only based on what seems illogical to me and it's unfair and dangerous for there too many other people. That's it,
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what he sees is that one thing happened, and for a long time, and it didn’t bother you either, then, how it supported everything else. You You say you didn't know that and that's it.
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rest. It's true, you may not know. A something else is fundamental, something fundamentally different. What makes you think that?
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that the person who is there rejoices for some reasons of my own, not close to me, that Crimea was annexed, that it there will definitely be a connection with this rejoice in the fact that they are destroying entire
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cities and kills people. I'm not saying that anyone is happy about anything. or is not happy. We have objective evidence that Oleg Kashin is not happy to what is happening. That's what he is pronounces.
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But you present to them that he is happy annexation of Crimea. What I'm saying is that the idea of admissibility annexation of foreign territories bypassing international law the idea that these the territories are historically Russian, this is the basis of the war, which
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is happening. Here's an idea, So, but there is a way to achieve it. Yes.
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Well, if that is the case, well, it can be done in different ways ways, let's return to Hitler, as they say, where would we be without it Where would we be without Hitler, right? Like Hitler decided that it was possible to exterminate Jews
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physically. but he could have decided that it was necessary do it differently, that's racial superiority, the idea on which everything is based on, I would limit myself to the loss of their rights, would not have become theirs physically destroying is also their business
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survivable. What happened in Germany in the thirties? To my view, idea of physical destruction Ukraine and the Great War is based on the admissibility of what is possible for others take the territory for themselves. And, moreover, is based on the idea that it is fair that
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the territories in question belonged to Russia. Oleg is based on these ideas. Kashin continues to insist. What's next?
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what is being laid upon them and who is doing what comes, that's another question. But, in my opinion In my opinion, these two things are inextricably linked.
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And people who advocate for the permissibility seizure of territory, they literally pave the way for your audience to come to any other conclusion about what mechanism, let's say. But the very basis of the idea, the possibility of this, it generates a request
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so that these territories are alienated. These territories are historically rightly Russian. That's why I think that people, which push, push and stand in these positions, create the basis for any other specific mechanism implementation of this idea, even if they
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I don't like the specific mechanism. Exactly That's how it's connected for me. I don't know, Did I manage to explain how I I see that, but it seems to me that the basis of the idea is often more important than support or not
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support for specific assassinations. Because without this idea, without its support, without its there would be no broadcast of these murders. Not specifically Oleg, but there are a thousand of them Olegs, to millions of such Olegs, Russia such Olgovs, because everyone is in their own way
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place, especially if we are talking about media people, in my opinion, on them more responsibility because they are responsible not only for their actions, but and in some sense, although this is controversial, a separate discussion for that message,
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which they carry. And in my opinion, Oleg Kashin continues to carry the message that he likes the idea that these territories should be Russian, but he doesn't I like a specific method. A the admissibility of the idea itself is that
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the base on which they are already building specific methods of alienation. And to mine look, the idea is not to bomb Mariupol. In my opinion, the Z idea is that that Mariupol is a Russian city. And in within this framework, Oleg Kashin, of course,
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is a Zetnik. [music] We're taking a break now for about 15 minutes. were leaving. Here we need to fix the cameras and makeup.
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and everything else. While we are these 15 minutes they didn't take it off, but 15 minutes or 30 passed?
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Ah, well, in my opinion, several have passed hours, because when we came in, it was light. Left because of the pause. No, because of the pause. I'm talking about pauses.
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So, well, it was during the pause that I saw that it became dark. Yeah. Uh, dual time theory.
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Yes, doubled. Here you go, I ask. Theory double time. A There is a great video on the internet where you there are 20 or however many minutes of flattening you prove that if the car stopped and the car drove along the road,
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the driver stopped for 20 minutes smoke pee anything drink coffee at the gas station and then again When I left, it wasn't 20 minutes that passed, but 40.
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Yes. Do you still believe in this? First of all, I want to emphasize that I started playing with time before movies Marvel, and the fashion for all these, then, stories with time and space. Yes No, of course not, Yura, it's all there.
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not only this video, the whole thing up to now This stream is on my channel, where is it?
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It wasn't 20 minutes, it was an hour and a half. This We were returning to this with donations.
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Ivy continued to mock me. I continued foaming at the mouth to prove that I He's right, he's an idiot. This is all still the case is in the public domain, in the original, not here is a 20 minute edited piece and
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other, other. And at the end of the stream I'm already I say: "Well, yeah, this is some kind of [ __ ] was." And in the next stream I already I say: "No, sorry, guys, what's wrong with that?
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What amused me most was that I found many defenders in moment." Well, that is, like at that moment I believed it for a moment, but you were convinced otherwise.
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at the end. Where did you bring this from? Where are you? Yes, I tried to illustrate, then, a story about the development of countries, like countries, uh, that means when they don't moving forward means not participating in the race between countries, they lose
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potential, because they will have to catch up later not only the time that they, therefore, missed, but only for the time that other countries left. And it's just me It was sitting in my head. I tried to remember,
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where is some friend of mine from? Did someone feed me this crap? And I like: "Sounds convincing." Moreover, it was funny on one of the broadcasts, uh, with Ekaterina Mikhailovna Shulman in status, in short, the camera was working there
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after the broadcast ends Sometimes. Here. And there, well, all sorts of things happened conversations between the presenters and all that. I told her that I drove the cart away. Well, just like faster just because when you Ostan, well, that's an interesting fact, did you know?
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you, what if you stop at a gas station, then you lose twice as much time, than uh what are you standing there for? And she's like: "Hmm, strange, but interesting." Here, In short, it just sat there in my
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head. Where did you read it? Yes, I don’t remember, someone I know said the one who travels long distances constantly. Maybe, yes, maybe he is.
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he meant something else, but he, In short, he often goes on long trips. We they were discussing something about cars, trips long-distance. And he's like, this is when you you stop there, that means he explained why you can't go out
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toilet, why should everyone do it in advance to go to the toilet, then before trips because that means you you lose somehow twice as much time than when you stop. E and I, well, like, I didn't really talk about it
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reflect. And when we were already on stream with Sasha, I said like some thing. He's like, "Are you even sure?" Well that is, I just said it out of the blue, Are you so sure? I'm like, "Yeah, sure, there
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all that stuff." He's like, "Well, that sounds like nonsense." And we, it means, we are one and a half We spent hours figuring this out, I drew some diagrams and other other.
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I watched it both times and when I rewatched it, I watched it completely recently, well, that's all where you talk about this, but you really don't want to admit you're wrong?
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No no. But where does this come from? You somehow I was reflecting that there you just have it they explained directly that 2 + 2 is but you still refused.
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No, well, I eventually admitted it there, it’s just that They didn't include it in the video because didn't include it, but at the end. Yes.
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Yes. Well, that's how it happens to you. Wedge-shaped device you and you, therefore, prove something.
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This is a situational thing about a wedge or about the fact that you don't admit that where wrong?
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There's something about that something deeper. I think it is situational, but I can absolutely to say that this was a very special case good and cool. Well, that is to say, he influenced me quite a lot because that there is such a problem that many, well,
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experts, not experts, but public figures at some point they catch up star. Well, that is, uh, they start to think that their area of expertise is, well, Well, like Elon Musk, for example, like you did something cool, you think,
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that you understand everything an expert in everything, yes. Yes. And this is like a super problem. This killed a huge number of people. I don't I will call people by their last names, but in that among the respected, that is, which now,
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Well, it's quite difficult to watch. AND When and then he was like Elon Musk before Elon Musk, Yes, and at the same time it really got to me early stage, which is cool. Well, that is to say like then I wasn't, well, like then
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I think we were just streaming, there were no videos then, that is, on the channel 30 people signed up there. There was It's funny because it happened to no one I didn't pay attention to this. Uh, and then
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exactly 9 months later it all went wrong publics. The first one of the first published by the public page Multinational. Well, such a nationalistic public. Here. AND it was like a wave right away on the same day Solovieva appeared. And it's everywhere in the summer
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was. This is what it was like for me, I was like: "[ __ ], it was like 9 months back, why, what was it It's quite strange for me. Well, well, well.
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after that moment already at the end when I I admitted it, I'll be on the next stream again he further apologized, he said: "Guys, sorry, I got carried away." Like, Well, that's some kind of nonsense. That's why At that moment I became quite strong
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more critical of yourself. Well, that is, like me began to designate those areas in which I I don't understand anything. Well, that is, and like make a disclaimer that, guys, I'm in this I'm not an expert, I don't understand this.
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comment on things I don't understand well I understand, double-check several times myself when I actually do it some judgments. I mean, well, for me It was such a very useful experience.
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and class. I'm glad it happened. AND the second consequence was, well, Firstly, it has become a global meme.
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Well, it seems like a lot of people found out about me. It was cool. Eh, I had some too cases when guys came like streams to see what's going on there morons, and they remained and everything, and subscribed to the channel, became
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channel cartridges and so on and so forth. A, secondly, uh, it was created, there is such a thing The thing is called red herring. Mm, such a rhetorical device when you you throw in something bright in order to
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to divert attention from some others things. And this was involuntary red herring, because now before Even now, when people want to scorpion me or something like that, they start remember about double time. And this, Well, that's a pretty weak claim, in my opinion.
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look, because that was it too eight-hour stream, like all of ours, where There we sat, tired as always.
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This is not my area of expertise, mathematics. and time and physics, probably time closer to physics, it doesn't matter. Well, that's all, and other. I mean, well, I don't think that It's somehow very strong for me, I don't know,
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discredits or something like that. More that, it was there when it was tighter too In the nineteenth year, I think. Well then there is the original stream it was somewhere in nineteenth. Here. And because of that, well, how would people at this stage
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stop and, well, don't start look for my real mistakes, which, Well, like, it happens sometimes, when I'm like there is a ballistic cruise missile, for example, he named it. Here. Well, and criticism I became much more open. That's when
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They write to me on the matter, well, like not emotional assessment, but like Michael, you So you said this here, that means, this is not true and other, other. I say, "Okay, yeah, well.
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like, and then I'll apologize in the next one summary or in the next video." That is, Nowadays it doesn't happen that someone will help you also reported, but only on military summary, and you didn't check this statement, If anyone notices, please write
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Please pay attention to this publicly, because I'm just, well, since There are already a lot of military men among me subscribers who write to me directly, I must say, Russian ones too, that's why I am a very big fan. Well, I have a plus
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military expert on the team, well, that is like I run it through it. Editor.
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Well, as an editor, it's difficult to do that. name. Well, in short, the person I Please check all military calculations.
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Here. That is, a very good specialist, which, as it were, through itself, is all this skips.
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Do you have a family relationship with Neno? family stream with your wife Nenora Sebashvili's channel. Subscribe, the best channel on YouTube.
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Yes, in you during the stream, one of streams that took place after ours Interview with Leonid Volkov. Yes.
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And you are there you're accusing me of what I said something about Vladimir Milov, yours friend. And first of all, you, uh, Have you ever watched this video? Well, rewatched or maybe you Have you come across anything or not?
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Where am I or Yes, yes, yes, where do you say this in my address? Well, I rewatched this one.
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moment, because that's how it was, I I was defending myself at that moment, uh, because, well, viewers wrote that it was like Yura who arranged it interrogation of Volkov, I said: "Wait, Well, something like Lebedev's Interrogation I like it, but you don't like Volkov's Interrogation
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I like it." It's kind of weird, double standards. Like, I'm for it. tough questions were asked to anyone to a person. And then they started writing to me that You're insulting Milov there. I'm like, "Yeah.
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How can this not be?" And they started like Here, write excerpts. And I went straight here look, then, at this piece where you are you insult Milov, and he became very indignant and very emotional exploded. Yes. I just saw it there
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You bear a striking resemblance to Solovyov. intonation, firstly, and secondly, well like conceptually what you're you protect your own because they are your own, and the facts don't bother you. You don't did you see the resemblance to Nightingale? You can't see it there
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the resemblance to the Nightingale is in the eye of the beholder, because it depends on what's under this emotional propagandist for work.
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No, look, it's just that for me the resemblance is For Solovyov, this is not always an insult.
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In the sense that Solovyov is quite a hard-working man with a well-placed with a voice that can do very well speak soulfully. And he is true He's a hard worker, he's some kind of Russian record.
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I installed it because the broadcasting was there for 3 days. in a row and something else. And, well, like, Ask any person, he will tell you, that Solovyov is like a worker, like professional - it's like pretty professional person. If comparison
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It comes from the point of view that I'm lying like Solovyov, I don’t agree with this one, because, well, like, I'm really strong I monitor and try not to lie. Not that I try, I don't lie. Well, like, in the moment
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I may be wrong about some things, but no. I don't see any similarity between myself and Solovyov.
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point of view of his propaganda activities, because propaganda, as We've already mentioned it, in my opinion, this is misleading, this is disinformation. I think it's you definition of manipulation led, management delusions. No, No. Propaganda. When you said that
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like Ukrainian propaganda is not like you, I explained to you that propaganda, on In my opinion, this is disinformation and, in fact, it is misleading.
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Promotion of a healthy lifestyle. Manipulation of misconception against promotion of a healthy lifestyle. And why is that? Why is this an introduction?
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misconceptions? Look, it's healthy propaganda. lifestyle. How we usually do it imagine? And we imagine it this way Soviet posters. This means I, at least I don't know how you are can you imagine? Well, are you doing it?
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sports, take care of yourself, as you do not visually, in the sense of living well.
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Not in meaning, but visually. How did you do it? can you imagine? Propaganda of healthy lifestyle.
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Yes, in different ways. Even if he is just a person, which is the first thing that is first for me now, what comes to my mind are people who on Instagram Rilsa is posting about how to pump press correctly.
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In my opinion, this is not propaganda. healthy lifestyle, because the definition of propaganda is when you you introduce your viewer into the irrational state. Why am I talking about the Soviets?
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posters? Because that's propaganda. healthy lifestyle, well, for me, at least, something like this pops up The Soviet fetish for propaganda is healthy a way of life when you have posters, who don't explain to you what kind of pump up the press or something else, they
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They tell you: "You need to do this." They don't they explain, they tell what it is just need it. And this is it for me propaganda when you are introduced into emotional state of the irrational making decisions when it is explained to you
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the doctor says: "Listen, uh, Yura, well, in In your case it would sound strange, no less. You are very big, you need Eat less, therefore do more exercise, otherwise you will die from a blood clot.
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Eli there, then, is some degree rarefaction. This is not propaganda, this is a fact.
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And if I don't do it, I need to repeat it. this several times. This This is not propaganda. Number of repetitions is not propaganda. Propaganda, mechanism for promoting the introduction of delusion and rational state. By at least, well, there is a wider
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definition of when propaganda is just conveying some idea. But I against definitions that mean nothing they define it because it is wide definition, propaganda is like conveying any idea. But then everything is in In this world, propaganda is produced. and [ __ ]
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it should be singled out separately because any conversation, any media contact, any video, any clip, any interview, it all conveys some kind of opinions. Then everything in this world propaganda. Such definitions, in my opinion look, don't play. In short, I don’t see it
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Solovyov's similarities in the question propaganda. So, you say there, Vladimir Milov spends a huge amount of time and literally resources to do so influence the end of this war and does a lot of work that is not boasts. Is it true,
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unlike Yuri Dud, who was then they are calling to Ukraine in order to show what Russia has done, and so that he would have this on his big channel released and showed and influenced people, who trusted him and did
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his star. He is he, when Yuri Dud They're calling me to Ukraine, I quote Michael Naki, he says he is afraid.
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Well, it doesn't matter what he says. You stopped short that moment when he said it, and there he continued to tell the story, Yes? Who called me, as you say, on Ukraine?
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Well, as far as I know, let's say in a broad sense, a representative Ukrainian authorities, if we speak more specifically, it is a person who, according to at least, that's how it seemed to me representative of the information
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department of something. I don't remember exactly, no I can now. When was this? When he wrote to me about this or when did he call you? either wrote or called at least something, at least some kind of clue.
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I'll tell you now, when we went to Prague, it wasn't summer, What do we have now anyway?
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What year of the war? First second? No, it was this year. It's in this They wrote to me this year. And this year?
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Yes, they wrote this to me this year. Here So. OK. Stream winter twenty-fifth, not summer. So I say, I say, it definitely wasn't summer because it was it's dark because we're going to Prague then we went. Well, it's dark, I mean, early.
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during the day. Ah, well, I'm in any case before that I'll say further, like, yes, it was in emotional fervor. I don't usually I'm telling you what they tell me secret, yes, that's also kind of necessary understand. This is not a separate video, that's all.
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such. But let's continue with, yes, I am a person wrote that we called Yuri, and he told me sent some other message.
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Do you remember, do you know how we can understand? I I asked you if this was your Telegram.
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Telegram account or not. Do you remember me? I wrote you this message on Facebook, when I asked you, is this yours?
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Telegram channel or not. I clarified this, because this person forwarded it to me a message from you where it was written, what is my or our team mm for type in This war did much more than many politicians, bloggers and others. Like
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We do a lot. Like this He sent me a message. And I am with you then I clarified whether it was yours Telegram account for verify whether this is true your message.
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And you might have this message now. in this? No. Why? At some point we stopped talking to each other correspond after this stream.
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And you deleted your correspondence with him? So, because he presented himself as Ukrainian military. E and after some time it turned out that this was not the case, that he is not a military man.
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Yes. But this correspondence, in my opinion, he deleted. M. Just when I opened it. The word can some key.
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What message exactly? The one that I am, well here is my picture correspondence. I just don't sing who you're talking about even. A there was that ours, here is the approximate gist I'm passing it on, you can contact our team
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try or more than politicians with both sides. Something like this is possible try? I don't think it's possible.
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We just started talking and I I was just asking, like, here's what did you call?
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Don't you remember his last name? No, the last name too. Moreover, I don't I'm sure she's real because, as I tell you, later it turned out that he was not who he claimed to be gave out.
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I can watch for now, maybe I'm in I'm transferring his safes. So, what just happened? We were looking for this person. So this man sent you with told you that me They're calling me to come to Ukraine for the war,
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I refuse. This is what happened. OK. My last one correspondence with this person. a-a April April 7, 2020. I answer him Thanks for what he told me, Hello. If suddenly after quarantine If you decide to come to us, then everything in general
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OK. I don't know what he meant. A We are really looking forward to the best moonshine, beer and Dumplings are ready. Here. And the message, which you were talking about, about politics I do more, well, like about the team I
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I will read it in its entirety, yes. So, in 2018 this year such a story happened that I was hosting an Adidas event, uh, and there there was a guy, uh, who was wearing a T-shirt Russia, Ukraine, ah, will fester with each other
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hands. Here he had the Russian flag, Here is Ukraine. Summer of 1918 this event is at the World Championships football. Here. And he just sent me in correspondence something from the series, in general, became some supportive writing messages. Well, anyway, he became
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say that he knows about the peacekeeper there and everything else. Threw off a few people, who want to add, and you are there, there tdattat, something else. And, in short, some things. What do I write to him? Ah-ah,
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tacttact. Uh, he wrote: "Well, you idiots they, if they want to accommodate "I'll contribute to the peacekeeper for the photo." threw him a photo. "I'll find out tomorrow "Exactly," he wrote. I'm extremely ironic.
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My answer. I am extremely ironic and I'm demanding of myself, but still I dare to think. For peace between the two our small team makes people more than most politicians, both sides of the border. So if in Even I'll be on the list, it's a death sentence
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peacekeeper and all government agencies that They are guided by it. This is message 14 August 2018. Therefore, it means Is it that someone invited me to Ukraine?
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during the war, and I refused and said, What am I afraid of? No, of course it doesn't. And that's exactly why I never refer to any sources. It was just in in an emotional fervor, like yourself noted. This is exactly the reason why I
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I never use it when people write to me some secret information, because which, as we see, she can do manipulate. He took the individual parts your correspondence, said that it was already after the twenty-second year. Uh, and he said that he personally invited you to
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Ukraine. Yes. Yes. What kind of person is this? Where did you get it from?
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was there communication? This is the man who introduced himself Ukrainian military. Uh, and it turned out that this is wrong.
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Yes. So, what did he tell you? That is when did you reveal some pretty general things he told me that he was wounded there, something else and so on and so forth. Here. But in at some point, uh, just while checking
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it turned out that in that unit, which he called and which was in the fake certificate he sent, uh he is not there.
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Did you broadcast the information that he gave it to you No, I have never done that. Well that is, I have a public position and in in the reports, among other things, I say that I I don't cite any sources, especially
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anonymous, and when I do this, I explain why I refer to them. Yes. So, this is a one-time thing for me.
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was. This was not an incident with you on my channel. This happened to you on the stream the moment when you, Well, it was me, it was on the stream, as I already I said when they told me that you
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I cursed at Vladimir Milov, I flared up and, therefore, it seemed to me that I have such information and I will said.
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I apologize, it's obvious not true. About It turns out you weren't invited to Ukraine after the twenty-second year.
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Ah, well I have some messages from people who Well, that is, I don’t exist for people I start to trust immediately. And so when some stranger writes to me, At least I have some kind of history with this
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the correspondence was there long before everything. Here. And I, in general, immediately don’t trust and I don't think so.
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Well, you ask them to provide some proof that they are who they say they are are they giving themselves away?
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Well I Yes No, I just skip it. No, well, just if a person writes to you: "We're calling you there" and Well, you have one the opportunity to ask him for documents or official confirmation.
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Michael, I think I have thousands. unanswered messages from people about which well just Well, you remember now in your memory that there were some, where, then, one or two? No, I remember it because Before I prepare for this interview, I
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I spent an hour on messengers, just to, damn it, to understand who we could be talking about, because I have a substitute, well, My memory can't contain everything that I comes in the message and everything else. AND, Fortunately, this can be double-checked. U
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I have a number of messages from people who pretend to be those who can be brought to Ukraine. I'm for that I don't even answer because it's possible contact in some other way. U there were several of us on our side
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requests for an interview with Vladimir Zelensky. They stayed, well, basically, interview with Vladimir Zelensky, personal, which we would like not to happened.
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Were any alternatives offered to you? Well, that's it. Alternative to interview, group interview at the beginning of the war, which was. We gave up on him, because, well, this is just some kind of strange genre.
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Well, I mean, those to whom you sent the request at the interview with Zelensky, there was also some kind of communication, they offered to go to Ukraine separately somehow, to see something, to film something.
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I don't remember this. I'm saying this specifically. be careful so that later it's not this one, but how I wouldn't remember this and I wouldn't have met anyone who met me The story here is that this I expressed my complaint to you before
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stream, and without any indication that someone I called you specifically. Well, that is, I am in I said in other streams that it seems to me, what about Yuriy Dut and his arrival in Ukraine, especially in the twenty-second year, they could
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I would like to make a very serious statement, no jokes, without irony, without exaggeration, in my opinion look, a very serious influence on this war, a very serious impact on the mood in Russia is very serious influence on whether this would continue
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war. Because Yuri Duy is twenty second year - this is the main media star Russian YouTube. This is the man whom They're inviting me to a top show there. Human, which one is there, I don't know, well, that is for
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many are, well, that's just the most breakthrough. So, What was Yuri Dut doing in 2022?
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Yuri Dud records interviews with people, who condemn the invasion of Ukraine. U Cool and good interview. Thanks for them.
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This was also a work about that, to inform people. 100%. 100%. I don't deny what you did.
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work, but uh, I thought and think, honestly saying that your arrival in Ukraine and demonstration, because at twenty in the second year, how is it different from, for example, twenty-fifth year? IN in the twenty-fifth year there are no people in Russia,
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who don't know what Ukraine is, what Russia makes in Ukraine. There are no such people. That is, they can do it.
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support, they may not support, but there are no people who do not If only they knew that Russia is demolishing residential buildings cities that Russia is shooting at energy infrastructure, as at least because Vladimir Putin is admitted. In the twenty-second year there were such
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There were a ton of people. In the twenty-second the year when Bucha happened, a huge the number of people in Russia and even the migrants who left said: "I don't believe it, I don't believe that this is possible." And I
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It seems like Yuri Du', who would go to Ukraine and which one, I don’t know, in Bucha and I would have shown Bucha, well that would have been really strong influenced people in Russia. Maybe I do I'm wrong, but I think this exists. I
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I'm just saying this to say that, well, how I wish there was a specific mention of that You were invited to Ukraine, but you didn’t I arrived - this is unfair to me a claim that was based on
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disinformation from a specific person. said in the heat of reaction to, to my look, unfair accusations, which you threw at Milov. But myself the story I mentioned before, that Yuriy Dud's arrival in Ukraine in 2022 year would have greatly influenced the war, I
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I still think so. A, and then and in overall, isn't it too, well, sort of contradictory and isn't it too excessive the claim regarding that sounds chivalrous that I was not in Ukraine, from a person, who himself did not go there.
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Do you take this as a demand? To me I wouldn't want it to sound like presentation.
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Now no, now it doesn't sound like that. predyava, and then it sounds like this sounded like presentation. You can probably do it like this perceive, and I have nothing against it I have.
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I perceive everything from this point of view efficiency. Arrival of blogger Michael Naki wouldn't have done anything in Ukraine, because blogger Michael Naka didn't have one and no. Well, that is blogger Michael Naki.
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showed footage of all this from the first day of the Russian invasion, in fact in fact, even shortly before it, because From the first day of the Russian invasion I went into non-stop mode. But before that I've been watching videos about mobilization for a week
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in Donetsk and Lugansk. Many people forget, that mobilization is in Donetsk and Luhansk started before it began a full-scale invasion that people snatched from the streets, that same pusification started in Donetsk and Lugansk. That's why the arrival of blogger Michael Naka would not have opened
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people's eyes because Michael's audience Naki is completely incomparable with Yuri Dud's audience. As for, in basically, if, well, in this matter, that I have not traveled to Ukraine and I do not travel to it Ukraine, there is some, I don’t know about you
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I named it, I presented it, but there is no point in that, Unfortunately. Well, that is, Ukrainian ones bloggers, Ukrainian media are doing that work that I could do. I discussed several trips that, on In my opinion, they could be effective.
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That is, for me, first of all, mine activity is not a joke. Well then This is not creativity. This is specific activities that are aimed at specific tasks of training for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and to do
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so that people don't go to Russia army or left there deserted. And therefore any decision, any action is its working self I perceive through this prism. If I and When will I go to Ukraine, where was I invited?
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They called me, if anything, well, like no anonymous people. They called me to Sudzha too.
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go. If I go there, I won't I'll bring nothing, what would be different from what is already there are being filmed. And I will not open my eyes to anyone new audience. That is the only thing, What will happen is that I will miss a few days
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video releases. That is, several fees on the Armed Forces of Ukraine and several videos that could to prevent people from joining the army and do not encourage desertion of people from army. And that's all. That is, I have no fear.
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arrival in Ukraine. That is, I am there most likely to provide such the security that I don't have in this the room you and I are in.
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So for me it will be quite safely. At least I won't get sick, there will be warm socks because I will be in to his absolutely beloved civilian clothes. And for me there is no fear here.
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Moreover, I have no fear that, I know the Ukrainians will throw stones at me.
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Well, because I travel a lot to different places countries. And all the Ukrainians that I I turned it on, I recently flew Ukrainian airline. Uh, that was quite interesting experience. All Ukrainians, well, how if they tell me thank you, I never
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I didn't see any negativity Ukrainian airline. Yes, I'll show you later. Well, I wouldn't mind I'll call you, uh, because you can will understand where I flew from and where I flew to. U she's not like that.
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This is FL simple. Where is it flying now? Ukrainian airline? She flew between one European city and another not quite a European city.
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Well, in short, that is, well, sort of I have no restraints factors for me to go to Ukraine. How I wish I even had an American passport. Well, that is, from no point of view at all I am not under threat. It's just that,
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Unfortunately, it will be ineffective. And Yuri Blowing, which is completely different the audience, well, not mine, which the audience, uh, which, well, like, something here, something there. In the twenty-second In the year Yuri Dut is still a person where
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Russian stars are not Ptakha, where Russian stars are like Russian stars uh not because of their political positions, but like, well, people come watch Yuri Dud because it's entertaining content because there There are many stars. And this is the audience
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Yuri Dud, I don't know, call them whatever you want on the internet slang normies or, therefore, people who are not so involved in political situation. And that's why the arrival Yuri Dud, well, let's sharpen it up, Buchu in April 2022, well, I think,
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that a huge number of people would simply, seeing this would have a very strong impact on how they would perceive this war. I think it would have a big impact and to the mobilization that followed this. I think that's a lot to ask for.
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influenced. Honestly, I say this sincerely. Not because I want you somehow to offend, hurt or accuse, and therefore, Well, I take you literally.
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gigantic. Well, that is, like on YouTube a giant who could really there's a lot to do. Here. And that's why I I don't blame you for not going.
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It would be strange. Well, that is, and somehow You rightly point out that you have done a lot things I might not have done. You know, I basically have something that I I have some basic respect for people who are easy for me, I have in
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Russia had nothing. Well, that is, I have there wasn't a lot of money, I had no homes, I had no apartments, contracts with banks and more something. So, like, when I left, I, naturally, well, took it upon myself
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some risks, yes, because here we are We discussed the lists with you for elimination and like, well, I'm there, but I might not be there, and my life would probably be very different calm down, and I probably could, that
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it's called, It's not that I can breathe a little more freely, I also I can breathe so freely, and now I need to look around a little less often. Although, it seems to me, the Lakes in In principle, this is normal practice. And you, how are you?
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and Masha Mashkova, for example, why me I incredibly fell in love with and respect Masha.
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To Mashkov. Well, you obviously made a choice, which from a financial point of view, from a financial point of view from a welfare perspective, made your life much worse. Well, that is to say, I don't have one.
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there is no doubt that Yuri Du, who remains in Russia after the twenty-second years and all those guests come to him, who go to Mnucharov or even, well, some of the guests of Mucharov, let's do it this way, you
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I think I should talk to them. Well, even without, without any government order at all with pleasure and enjoyment.
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And what? About the war, yes. A about the war. But that other Yuri Dut, who decided to stay in Russia, who decided that he I want a lot of money, who wants sit on a mountain of gold and not discuss with
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Michael Nucky, is he there, Yuri? Blow, on the elimination list. This one Yuriyduud' like. And we imagine that There is no such thing as this Yuri Dud would not be needed by anyone. This Yuri Dud was would be needed by many people. This Yuri Dud was
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would be in great demand. This Yuri Dud would be the advertising face of all the remaining ones in general Russian companies. And since you don't I did, that is, like I don’t blame you for the fact that you didn't go to Ukraine, you
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made a different choice. You instead, I don't know what to do to shock people in Russia there, eat black caviar on Sabantuya together with Ksenia Sobchak or even news corporate events with her, like Ivan Urgan, who seemed to have done something, but didn't
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I did both, you chose No, that I'll go, I'll talk with Boris Makunin, I will condemn war, I will make a post during mobilization, how to avoid mobilization, and I am grateful to you for this. Well, yes, I am.
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I think that a trip to Ukraine in 2022 In the year from Yuri Dud it would have been an exploding bomb detonated under Russian propaganda and would have had a very big effect.
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[music] When we had an interview with Gary Kasparov, and you [laughter] wrote an interview Cal.
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Yes, Kasparov is a [ __ ] idiot, an info-businessman. What's here? discuss? Please explain about infobusinessman.
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Well, he tells you there that I I travel, give lectures, and read for $50,000.
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So about how. And he says that me They call the company in order to explaining to employees means how they should make a decision. But this is infobusiness pure water.
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Are you saying this with disdain or No? Damn, it's difficult now. In modern In the world this has, of course, a negative effect connotation. Because infobusinessmen in present tense, let's say, uh, well, heavily soiled. Skimchem m well in this
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in a specific message, of course, with negativity, Of course, from the negative. No, but in general, the fact that a person drives Overall, overall, probably not. Just in this message and in general, well, like my position, you see, he even stood on the chair
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fidget. Well, because Gorky Kim is very He gave a great speech recently. Here. And mine attitude, my attitude towards him again suffered. changes, but basically me I was confused by the fact that he positions himself as politics, as a person who as
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the only normal opposition, as the man who rules the world, Well, that's what he does, sort of completely different activity and as if not connected in any way. And what he pretends to be a politician, although he earns money
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to others. and not only earns, but in in principle, lives a different life. What is his the past is chess, its present is This is an infobusiness, where did you get involved here?
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politics, especially modern ones, more Russian, especially, therefore, with from the point of view of his analysis of the opposition initiatives and from a political point of view structures in Russia, where he is not only not was, and about which, well, like he, well, no
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he is not in this information field. Uh, Well, here I would like to emphasize that's exactly it, uh, and, well, in quite a way, that is called radical form. Now, Well, Gorkymich had several here pieces, after which I strongly
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I began to respect you. I really don't remember, one of did they happen before this interview or after. Uh, my chronology is all messed up.
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a little bit. He's in a German magazine, gave the German press a publicity stunt campaign. Well, by the way, yes, it is in It was written on Twitter.
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Yes, Yes. Well, Twitter is a madhouse. I just Just in case, I'll clarify what's on Twitter That's not what's written. And me, and everyone else the rest, because I'm not making any excuses in any way, but just that in principle you don't go in
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Twitter is, well, a mental hospital. including me, because normal people They don't use Twitter. They saw that Yuri Du wrote something on Twitter. Here exactly. Which means he's in a German magazine.
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launched a major campaign informational, so that the Germans would transfer missiles to Ukraine Taurus. Well, like, it was cool. I don't I know if it was effective, rather No. The missiles were not transferred, but it was Cool. after this company for sure
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Just recently we were writing literally either either that same week or the next a week after he spoke at forum in Halifak, Yes, and gave a fiery speech regarding that the only reason why You are not fighting yet, that is because
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The only one who is fighting is Ukraine. Ukraine is now providing security Western world, Yes.
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And in those series of tweets and statements, reviews of interviews that were over 2 from a year to a friend, you called him dead stewardess from a joke. What do you think about Kasparov?
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after this speech? O wished for you stewardess? Damn, I want to answer yes, but the answer is no.
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Actually, unfortunately. That is mine respect to Goryu Kimovich, of course, has grown since then. I don't remember there there was some other context, some there were more squabbles and clarifications back and forth. And there was something I didn't like,
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What did Harry Kimych do? I don't remember what you there they discussed the opposition with him, yes, in interview. No, well he spoke absolutely outrageous things about that Navalny and Yashin did everything to ensure that so that Putin can strengthen his grip on power. I am strength.
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Yes, my tweet is still very strong restrained, in my opinion, very decent, yes. That's why it's like now I would like to say that something changed, but in fact no. Well, that is to say Yes, the speech is good and absolutely correct.
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Every word in it is absolutely accurate target. This is what the Gryaki actually are Kimovich has been talking for a long time. He says this for years, and he's right about that. But that's not it makes him an actor of some kind. Well then
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there's something like he said: "It's cool that he does this He said it was cool that everyone applauded.
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It's big that many media outlets and channels are "They've got it going." I don't know, it'll be great.
Speaker A
It would be cool if this reached those politicians, to whom I said this, but simply to these Politicians were told this a lot once, almost everything. And from the point of view I don't know anything about Harry Kimovich's activities.
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it seems that something in my analysis, if let me call this species that, though This is, of course, an emotional reaction, something has changed. That is, unfortunately, I don't think that, well, his activity has any significant effect in the moment. This is where I would like to
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to make mistakes. And here I don’t have enough data, because that I was keeping a close eye on Hagar Kimovich for the last 2 years and, as You see, I don’t write anything about him.
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And you don’t have a feeling or haven’t you thought about it? you, that this is just an episode of that People are more complex than you're used to.
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think? No. What are you doing, correcting where I am not You're right, you're dividing things into black and white.
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Everything is correct. And it happens that people are complex, like like lunch. What you carry on one side absolutely outrageous nonsense about Russian opposition, which, while I I left there and couldn't do anything.
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Yes. And brought the war closer, Yes? On the other hand, you say things that resonate with you very much and very logical at the conference about Ukraine, that People can be a mixture of different things.
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Madness and intelligence can be intertwined. cowardice, and courage, and [ __ ], and chamomile. And that's how it is with such people in general maybe even the majority in the world.
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Well, daisies in [ __ ] smell like [ __ ], so it doesn't seem to me that this is the best combination. Let's sharpen it, even, uh, if we're talking about the global, you know, a person whose public position is
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Ukraine and the war in Ukraine are closest to mine. This man is alive, Yes?
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Damn, that's interesting to think about. Give it to me a little. Well, it's a trick question, as you understand.
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Yes, the person is a citizen of Russia. Well, by the way, I don't know if he has one.
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still citizenship or not. Well, I give up. Leonid Borisovich Nevdlin. His public position on Ukraine, Well, pretty close to mine. Yes. One of the closest of all that exist in the main field. Yes, it would seem so a more striking, salient example than to take
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some interview of his, then his phrase in 2 s to 1 year. I think it is some kind of very complicated thing. Well Let's do it there for the sake of form. In an interview he said idiocy speech he said: "Everything
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ok, like everything, I don't see anything problems." Evaluation of a specific interview, his specific activities, assessment, that is, specifically this statement. But let's talk about this, about the fact that people complex and comprehensive.
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People are complex and complicated, but that's not it does not cancel out the fact that there is good and evil and what is black and white. Black and white - it's not just about just about simplicity. Those who think that division into
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black and white is a simplification of the world, They are very wrong. This is very serious its complication. Because to understand that black and what is white is a very big and it's a very complicated process because it's not
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makes the world easier. This only does it's harder because you become uncompromising. You can't forgive some human actions, because He did something nice for you personally.
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As often happens with the same Leonid Borisovich Neflin, yes, who distributes money to different people for operations, for treatment, something else, and then, so it is assumed that they are somehow in They answer: "Oh, it's all the FSB's
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"divorce". Yes, well, what we observed in Facebook and everywhere when it came out investigation about him. And each one a person's action is either bad or good.
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The evil that a person does is evil. It doesn't become good because it is did something good. It's not like that works. Well, that is, a barrel of daisies, if you want there, if you throw it there [ __ ], this will be a barrel of [ __ ],
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no matter how many daisies there are. And that's why I don't have any mutual offsetting. That's why Harry Kimych is not in the interview I called Cal, neither in The performance was not evil. He didn't do it evil. He said unfair things, with
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which I don't agree with and all that. But This didn't make him evil. He supported Ukraine, supports Ukraine. And further Leonid Borisovich Nevznen is evil, despite the fact that he supports Ukraine, at least in words he has his own motive there, but it's different
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history because he orders beatings of people that he orders beating. Do you even know how Mikhail is doing?
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Borisovich said: "Yes, to hell with him, with Volkov." Yes. Uh, we're talking about Maxim's wife.
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Mironova. And actually, well, here it is the story of the attack on Maxim's wife Mironova bothers me much more, because not because Volkova is not it's a pity. You said it many times because this is, well, beyond even the concepts of gangsters
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what you say. No, no, I use gangster concepts. I operate. I was talking about something else, that Volkov chose the path of a politician, and Maxim Beronov's wife didn't choose her path policy. This man is doing evil. This
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a person orders violence. And this is the one the line after which it becomes evil, no matter what good things he does. So no, I don't I think that People, therefore, are in some kind of gray zone.
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No, I think they are in black and in white zone. Another thing is what to find and how I would like to draw out for myself what is white, what is black and so on, quite complicated.
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And, well, I think that's the point. a certain challenge. Are people complex? Of course, there are no ordinary people. I have been for a long time I don't think I like this at all supplyist attitude, you know when
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People are like, "Oh, those are the Lumpins, those are the trash." Well, I've talked to quite a few people.
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rabble, yes. No, I didn’t write the rabble. Black - it was a reference. on So, all my Twitter nicknames are this references always. It was a reference to someone who said a phrase like "Chern" Maria Pevchikh or something like that. Briefly speaking,
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We were all assigned to the rabble. Here. And this it was this. I don't call anyone black.
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Seriously never. Why? Because I am and as part of a debate, well, at the championship debates, I went to Su Russia. Well, like me was everywhere and with a face, except for Novosibirsk.
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Unfortunately, not to Novosibirsk. Tomsk, Yes, Novosibirsk no. Voronezh Chelyabinsk Irkutsk, it's not part of the debate, but everything I also traveled a lot with the lyceum. I understand one simple thing that any person absolutely there, no matter how you approach it
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treated, falling asleep, thinking about the meaning life. Well, that is, these labels, like, you're a redneck, but you're not cattle, this is, well, a mockery of common sense, because people super different, completely different installations. The one who may seem
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to you, I don’t know, somehow, well, just an unworthy person, can always to prove to be the most worthy of all. Or like this There are my favorites, these are the Facebook ones.
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intellectuals, I call them, who are on
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