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Okay. For me, I do believe that people talk and people have the differences. Mostly, tuseme pande ya the rural areas, they do believe that disability, that as Jack said, is about witchcraft and other meats.
Majadiliano kuhusu changamoto na matarajio ya vijana wenye ulemavu, na juhudi za Wote kwa Wote kusaidia jamii.
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Key Takeaways
- Ulemavu bado unahusishwa na imani potofu na ubaguzi katika jamii nyingi, hasa vijijini.
- Shirika Wote kwa Wote linatoa msaada wa kipekee kwa watu wenye aina zote za ulemavu na linajenga jamii yenye mshikamano.
- Kuhamasisha ushirikishwaji na kutoa elimu kuhusu ulemavu ni muhimu kwa kubadili mitazamo hasi.
- Msaada wa kijamii kama misaada ya chakula na ushauri ni muhimu kwa watu wenye ulemavu katika maeneo yenye changamoto.
- Umoja na ushirikiano kati ya watu wenye ulemavu na mashirika yanayowasaidia ni njia ya kuleta mabadiliko endelevu.
What the video covers
- Video inajadili imani potofu kuhusu ulemavu hasa katika maeneo ya vijijini kama vile ulemavu ni la uchawi au kosa la wazazi.
- Kevin Kemani, mwanzilishi wa Wote kwa Wote, anashiriki hadithi yake ya kupata ulemavu na jinsi alivyounda shirika lake mwaka 2020 kusaidia watu wenye ulemavu.
- Jackline Atika Mkolwe anasimulia uzoefu wake binafsi na jinsi alivyopata ulemavu wa glaucoma na changamoto zake.
- Wote kwa Wote ni shirika linalojumuisha aina zote za ulemavu na linatoa msaada kama ushauri, rufaa, na misaada ya chakula kwa jamii.
- Kuna ushawishi mkubwa wa vikundi vya watu wenye ulemavu kama Bunge la Disability Nairobi katika kusaidia kuunganisha watu na kushughulikia matatizo yao.
- Mjadala unagusia changamoto za kisaikolojia kama vile ugonjwa wa bipolar na jinsi jamii inavyotazama watu wenye matatizo hayo.
- Video inasisitiza umuhimu wa usawa, ushirikishwaji, na kuondoa ubaguzi kwa watu wenye ulemavu katika jamii.
- Kuna maelezo kuhusu usaidizi wa vyama na washirika wa kijamii katika kusaidia watu wenye ulemavu katika maeneo kama Dandora na Kariobangi.
- Mjadala unahusisha changamoto za upatikanaji wa huduma za afya, elimu, na ajira kwa watu wenye ulemavu.
- Video inahimiza ushirikiano na umoja wa watu wenye ulemavu ili kuboresha maisha yao na kuleta mabadiliko chanya.
Chapters
- 00:00Imani potofu kuhusu ulemavu katika jamii
- 03:41Hadithi ya Kevin Kemani na kuanzisha Wote kwa Wote
- 08:06Uzoefu wa Jackline na changamoto za ulemavu
- 12:06Jukumu la Wote kwa Wote katika kusaidia jamii
- 25:56Ushirikiano wa vikundi vya watu wenye ulemavu Nairobi
- 34:01Changamoto za kisaikolojia na mtazamo wa jamii
- 40:36Msaada wa kijamii na misaada ya chakula
- 47:51Matarajio ya usawa na ushirikishwaji jamii
- 53:11Changamoto za huduma za afya na elimu
- 66:37Umuhimu wa umoja na ushirikiano kwa maendeleo
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Speaker A
Mostly, the common thing, mostly about the disability, it has become that people believe that it is the mistake of their parents. Maybe they did something or una vitu kama hizo. Good afternoon, welcome to another episode of the Hideout podcast. My name
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is Boy and happy International Youth Day to each and everyone, to my guest here [muziki] and to everybody back at home.
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So we're going to have an amazing, an amazing conversation involving, rather revolving around International Youth Day. And our conversation today, I have two guests here who will be introducing themselves. But before that, this is still another episode, uh, under Sauti
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Alliance because you know they've been with us. Tumefanya, I think, around four episodes now and this is another episode, so all thanks to them. Wacha hata tuapiga makofi. Yes. Hiyo ni makofi ya Sauti Alliance and Positive Young Women
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Voices because they've really come through for us when it comes to this kind of engagements and conversations.
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Asanteni sana, karibuni sana. Asanteni. Hiyo intro imekuwa refuang. [kicheko] So karibuni sana. This is Hideout podcast and nimewakaribisha sana. So I would like us to start from my mini left, right.
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Okay. Yeah. Maybe Kevin, you can introduce yourself. You can tell us your name and maybe the role that you play at Wote kwa Wote CBO. Okay. Okay.
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Karibu sana. Happy Youth Day. Mh. On 12th August. For me, I'm called Kevin Kemani. I'm the founder and CEO of Wote kwa Wote.
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It was founded in 2020, around that time of COVID. Yes. And for me, my disability, I got my disability in 2017 and I'll talk more about it and the more conversation about it. M Yes.
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Thank you so much, Kevin. Karibu sana. And it's interesting. Umema Wote kwa Wote started in 2020.
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2020. Yeah. Time of COVID. Okay. Yes. Haya, thank you so much. We come back to that. And what inspired that?
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Yes, Jackie, karibu. Ah, habari zenu nzuri. Kwa majina, naitwa Jackline Atika Mkolwe. [kusafisha koo] Mimi ni memba kwa Wote kwa Wote, even though nimejoin hivi juzi juzi, lakini nashukuru bado pia memba kwa Wote kwa Wote.
Speaker A
Mhm. Yes. Okay. Karibuni sana. Wote kwa Wote. Wote kwa Wote and Wote kwa Wote because it's interesting. Umesema ilianza 2020 and tukiwa tunapiga story hapo before, I was telling you, so maybe you can tell us who referred you to Wote kwa Wote. Kumbuka
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wewe ndio CEO [kicheko] na kumbe hata ilianza 2020. I'm like now I'm interested to know. You can tell last about Wote Wote.
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When I got my disability in 2017, where I had pressure in my right eye, in my left eye I got pressure. When my mom passed in 2015, there, eh, nikakuwa napitia a lot of traumas na a lot of issues when your mom
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passed na vitu kama hizo. So pressure ilipanda ju, there are two pressures, kuna ile ya mwili na ile ya macho. So it went, ikablock the light inside. So niko na condition inaitwa glaucoma. Glaucoma is a condition that inaendanga hiv,
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ikipotezanga macho kabisa. So digital place whereby haina recovery, haina reversal. So from that day, 2017 September hapo, so I had to struggle a lot to find some which organization that I can join that has my dreams and nilugle sana. So
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in 2018 ndio sasa nilianza kuweza kujua what can I do for myself. So that's why nikaanza kuingia. Kwanza I was hosted by an organization called Dandora Hipop City in 2018 where they took me through how to open an organization, what to do. So th that
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journey niliweza kujua vile nitafanya and officially nilianza 2020 but 2019 is when sun nikaanza kufanya kuweza kuingia kwa ground what can I do and also tuwe tuunderstand disbate issues b unaona mimi kile ilifanya kwanza mostly ni hata white kin
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nilweza kuchukua white kin. I think 2018 hapo hivo June ju buse unaona hizo zingine nilikuwa najaribu ku before I recover myself lazima ati niki from place to that place lazima nipitie a lot of struggle m. So ndio nikaweza kuchukua white can so
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that the gen started with a lot of passion, with a lot of drive, yaani ya disability kuweza kujua what is disability, trying to understand when I going to meetings I want to understand other different organizations. So ndio nikaona if I can bring water kwa
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wote buse many organizations ziko specifically with a certain disability. So mimi nikasemaje kwa nini sikuje na disability ya wote kwa wote, all type of disability they can come in, we have a discussion, I get to know so that even
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also me I can learn buse unaona siku other disability. Mi najua physical, visual, nikaza kujua kuna psychosocial, kuna autism, kuna see intellectual disability, kuna other disability that there are so many that ukikaa tu chini kuna short structure.
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So I was like I need to know. So that's why I brought Wote kwa Wote. Ndiyo hata mtu kuja kwa ofisi, I can able to learn. Is a also learning process for me. So 2020 ndio nilikuja nikafungua official
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organization m. We did a feeding program. Ha tukapata, tukapata na chakula sana that that day May, ilikuwa May hapo May June buse you know ni siku Covid ilipiga na in the slam area kulikuwa na lot of challenge wat kupata food. So graciously
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God akakuwa gracious to me, nikapata many partners that we came in wakanipatia food. I distributed wale wanajua from Kariobangi North to Dandora PH mpaka simu mzima buse they are five wards. I was able to distribute food and to have data c for me right now I can
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say the good thing about Wote kwa, we have a good data about disability. We know the challenges what they are facing. So that I have it has helped me through that, that mobilization that when we started it and also [kusafisha koo]
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people coming to their office giving me their issues, trying to solve their issues and we learn this subject is this way, the challenges, how to tackle it and how to refer. Mh.
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Yeah. Thank you very much. You are very passionate about, you know, about this kind of conversations and the people and the community that Wote serves. Maybe I can just come back to you, Jackie, maybe just to add to what Kevin has said. How
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did you end up being part of Wote kwa Wote? Buse something Kevin amemtion ile time tukiwa tunaongea and then I was trying to understand. So like how did you get into Wote kwa Wote? And then Kevin amemtion something to do with
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psycho psychosocial psychosocial. So maybe you can just tell us more like how did you find yourself in Wote kwa Wote?
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Okay, ndio nijikute kwa Wote kwa Wote. Ilikuwa ni time tulikuwa tumeungana na kikundi naita bunge la disability which inadeal na 17 subcounties za Nairobi.
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So unakuta that way watu tunachukuliwa watu wenye wako na disabilities tunaungana pamoja alafu tunasaidiana. So unakuta kama like mtu kama Kevin Kemani, Kevin yeye ako under embassy north, so anashughulikia hizi shida zote za watu wa disability wenye wako Dandora, wako
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Karibangi North, hizo area zote za Makasi North. So unakuta mtu maybe akiwa na shida yoyote ya disability anaenda kwake, maybe kama ni referrals, maybe kama ni counselling, ataenda kwake. So unakuta hiyo time mimi nilikuwa niko under Makadara, so nilikuwa hiyo disability
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group ya Makadara. Hivyo ndio tulijuana na Kevin Kimani. So wote tuliform hiyo group inajiita bunge la disability ya Nairobi. So hapo tukiwapo ndani ndio nikajuanga Kevin Kimani ako na Wote kwa Wote, of which tuko na ju Wote kwa Wote
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inad disability zote bado pia naweza wajoin, of which saa nilijoin nilijoin last year hiyo Wote kwa Wote. So nikakuwa member. So with unakuta mko free, nikaa safe space, so unaweza leta shida zako bibi umekuwa ukipitia challenges, kuna hata chakula
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iko hapo, Kimani anapatia wale wenye disabilities wenye maybe hawajikimu kimaisha. So unakuta hizo ndio zile vitu tunasaidia kwa community tukiwa na kina Kevin Kimani. So kama hiyo feeding program yenye alikuwa anaongelelea hiyo, unakuta kuna watoto kwa community, kuna ule mwenye hawezi pata hata mil.
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So unakuta tunachukuana, tuna hizi chakula ziko hapo, hata tunapika. Once tumepika inakuwa ni Saturday. Hiyo sasa Saturday unakuta ni y
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ujakuta anakuja na sani yake hiyo sani ya chakula over lunch hawa but hizi siku zingine kuna vitu kama mchele kitu kaa kaunga hiyo sasa mzazi mwenye alikuwa na disability mwenye ajikimu kimaisha anaweza kuja kwa ofisi na anapewa m
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so nikiingia hiyo wote kwa wote ah nilikuwa down sana ju nakumbuka pia niko na ndugu yangu mwenye ako na disability huyu alipata 2010 mh alipata accidentata accident alikuwa anaenda kazini ni mkubwa wangu sasa yeye ako 40s hapo so alipata hiyo accident
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unfortunately hiyo gari ilitoroka ikafuatiliwa ikafuatiliwa ikakuja ikapatikana soesi ikaendelea ikaendelea tukapata lawyer fulani huyo lawyer alikuwapa house Mhm.
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So huyo law ya pesa ilikuja ikatoka juu mhindi alitoa pesa. Mh. Just unaona ilikuwa after accident. So mtu anafaa kuwa alimgonga.
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Sa ilikuwa ni gari ya muhindi ya kampuni but mwenye alikuwa anaendesha akuwa mhindi mwenyewe.
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But sasa hiyo gari ya cas ilikuwa insured. So pesa ikatoka lo akapewa. Lo kupewa le akaingia mitini.
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Like he went away with the money. Yes. Akaenda na hiyo pesa alikula alipata ilikuwa ni 4.5 m. Eh lawyer al kula pesa. So sasa tumerudi tena back to square one buse huu lawyer amekufa last year. So tumerudi back to
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square ya one tumeanza tena na storia ya kwenda LSK huko kwenda Umbutsman tunafuatilia hiyo kesi tunesaka itafufuliwa tone ka maybe tunaweza pata venye anaweza kuwa compensated buse unakuta venye alipata accident spinal code iliumia macho ilipotea so ni mtu mwenye ako bedriden ako kwa kitanda
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so unaona hata mamangu pia ilibidi ile kazi yenye alikuwa anafanya kibarua akaacha saa amekaa nyumbani anashughulikia ndugu yangu unaona ni mtu mkubwa si mtoto so unakuta challenges kaa hizo zikanifanya nijin watu kaa kina kimani na hiyo pychle yote
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ya watu wa nairobi disability at least unajua ukiwa hapo unapata motisha maisha m but sasa kitu mbaya na huyu ndugu yangu hajawajikubali okay hajawai jikubali kukuja mahali kama hapa ama mimi hata kwenda nje ako zile za watu watanibeba aje
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watu wataniona watanichekelea nini nini una vitu kama hizo basi sasa ni ile tunampatia motisha ah kitu ingine mzuri yenye naweza shukuru maybe government of kenya aliingizwa [kusafisha koo] kwa hii program ya offices yenye watu wa disabilities wanapatanga e2k at least akipata hiyo kuna zile dawa
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zenyewe anaweza chukuliwa na hiyo pesa buse tunampelekanga therapy mara moja kenyata so unaona at least hiyo pesa inasaidia maybe vitu kama uba kitu kama hiyo alafu anarudishwa nyumbani m yeah tukikuja sasa kwa story yangu mimi mimi nilikuwa na bipola ana psychosocial
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disability hapo mbeleni sikuwa najua hiyo ni disability tu nimesikia mkisema nikashangaa it's part of najua buuse ilikuwa ni kitambo sana so sijui ni kama familia yetu pia iko nayo buse na huyu ndugu yangu kabla agongwe na gari pia alikuwa na hizo
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maepisodes ni nini ni nini? So hata ashaikwa mpaka madhari. Mhm. Yeah. So it's like ni kama ni kitu ya familia hivi kitu kama hiyo. So mi yangu ndio ikikuja kujulikana ilikuwa nikiwa 15 years.
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Yeah. 15 years. So nikiwekwa kwa madawa nilikuwa nakunywa dawa [kusafisha koo] hata niko klinik yako kliniki yangu iko hapa madhare.
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Mhm. wameendanga madawa huko but unakuta kupata madawa pia sometimes inakuwa ni challenge kama huna pesa wewe ni hivyo itabakia hiyo mwezi umekaa tu home unangojea na sasa unajua ile time kama hujapata dawa unakuta zinaweza kulipukia pia so unafaa upate dawa
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but saa hii nimeona serikali imeanza kuleta hizi dawa zetu for free mh [kusafisha koo] so kitu tu unafanya unaenda na ile disability certificate yako unaenda nyayo house unapewa hapo ka booklet [kicheko] so ukipewa hiyo booklet unaweza izenda nayo husi yote ya government na unapewa
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hizo da for free m yeah of whichupenye gav at least hii imetusaidia si watu wenye wako na psychosocial disabilities yeah so saa hii have kwenda madhare kwenda kupeana pesa and upewe hiyo dawa saa hii inabidi unaenda hata kama ni hizi
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hospitali hizi ndogo ndogo hizi za kanjo unaenda bora kwenye hiyo booklet na hiyo certificate yako ya disability na prescription wewe ushapata dawa like as it always be known that bipoline falling to disability ama that is a new thing
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yenye like m nikawa new thing ju mimi nimekuja kujua like kitu kama five years ago ndio nikajua iko under disability five years si kitambo si kitambo jana jana so if on that I can add on that and say okay
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disability it's it's progressive what we can say about it's progressive buse you see the other disability that have come in that hazikuwa m unapata kama def when late president kibaki when was there the that was known only it was only physical and visual
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impairment you see but with time [kusafisha koo] time time of uhuru so ndio zimekuja zingine tano death eh death eh autism mhm yeah so unaona it's progressive and it has come to a place whereby ukapati list ya ya type of disability
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stuka m kuna wale panda gari buse unapata kuna disability ya bones hawezi panda gari kwenye bone tingika kila saa najua umestuka m so there a lot of disability right now it's a progressive disability eh saa hii tonekana wana ex pole pole pole pole
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pole pole so i think bipolar with the high rate ile imekuwa buse una watu wako na hii na European country.
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Mhm. Eh naona kupatikana mpaka the doctors themselves have it the lawyers nani. Eh bipol iko s imekua imekua imekuwa juu sana. Mhm.
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So for me I can say why the the other organization national council of disability they say disabilities are progressive buse ndio unapatanga kila siku there's research about disability also kuna de and blind ujaskia kitu kama hiyo there person
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who's deaf and is blind vitu kama hizo so it's a progress because unaona maka kama hiyo death and blind eh it is ilichela three years ago.
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Mhm. M hata kuna shule kuna shule zimefunguliwa them. So you see I can say about disability challenging and it's quite it's a progressive that certificates za certificates even when the president Ruto ameingia right now he has changed from now the
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card itself to e citizen certificate. Right now you if you want to get your certificate of disability utapatiwa kadi youl have an online certificate.
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Yeah. Alafu another thing is bipolar. Unajua watu wengi wanasemanga bipola mtu akiwa nayo nikawazimu.
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Usichukulie kila mtu ati nikawa wazimu mtu ako na psychosocial condition. m kwa wazimu kwa sababu unakuta ni time maybe zako ziko trigger may hujatumia dawa ndio unakuta sasa hizo m zinaweza zinaweza kuwa ziko juu but sasa sisi si wazimu
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haya unakuta tena time yenye maybe hujatumia hizi dawa alafu maybe hujielewi kuna story na maybe unaweza kuta mtu kama ni mtoto amekuwa defiled kama ni mtu mzima maybe umerepiwa alafu unajua utakumbuka kitu kama hiyo buse unaona sasa wewe akili yako iko
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sawa at that moment mtu atachukua advantage atakubaka. M by the time unatoka hapo maybe hata a few months later umejikuta hata maybe wewe ni mgonjwa umepata uko positive ama maybe uko na mimba hapo hutakumbuka nani alikupatia huu ugonjwa ama alikupatia mimba. Sasa
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unaona so tuko na challenge pia sisi kama wako na pych social so tunahitaji nini? Tunahitaji hizo dawa sana sana.
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Yes. And it's interesting that umention mambo na like watu wasione ni kama like watu wako wazimu kitu kama hiyo because hata the next question I wanted to ask is what are some of the myths and misconceptions that people have
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regarding young people with disability ni kama nini like just some of the myth and misconception ni kama hiyo yenye umesema ni kama hiyo yenye umesema like mtu akiona ama maybe akisikia vile umesema like you go like huwa unaenda
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matari like to get your medicines. So like mtu anafikiria eh huyo juu anaendanga madhare huyo like you know that is you know that is that. So just thought us some of the meconceptions yenye maybe hata young people wenye
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mnawak na wako kwa wote kwa wote wanaambia eh leo maybe nilisikia mtu akisema hivi na hivi about you know maybe sisi ama you know the community that we serve up hivi kwa wote kwa wote okay sasa ni kama hi ya kwanza yenye
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nimekuambia mtu kufikiria that wewe ni wazimu. Haya unakuta ingine mtu anasema ni kama mimi ulirogwa.
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Okay. Eh kuna wale wanasema ah huyu alisharogwa naona yeye ni nini? Yeye ni kawazimu.
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Unakuta ingine maybe mtu kama maybe mtu mwenye haoni vizuri. Si kuna wale wenye maybe ni anaona kidogo lovion ama kuna yule mwenye anaona kabisa.
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Unaskia eh huyo pia yeye alirogwa. Unaona in kwanza hiyo urogi ni sana kwa disability.
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Oh like they just keep saying like mtu alirogwa. Haya unakuta kama like mtu kama mwenye ako na albinism unakuta mtu kama huyu anasema eh hii ni pesa yaani mtu akikuona tu hii ni utajiri b wanasema hiyo damu yako damu ya mtu
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mwenye ako na disability ikichukuliwa kuna venye inafanywa alafu sasa wewe unakuwa tajiri unaona that was happening at i think people like watu albikia unakuta eh walikuwa wanakuwa wanakuwa kidnapped wanachukuliwa wanaenda wanauliwa huko m ndio wafanye nini hiyo mwili yao iuzwe.
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That is sad. Unaona? So unakuta watu wako na albinism wao pia wao wakitembea wako na ile uoga hawawezi tembea hata usiku kwa sababu wanaogopa wanaona wanaweza shikwa wauliwe. Haya unakuta like kama sasa hawa watu wenye wako hawa wako short staure
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kitambo walikuwa wanaitwa dwafs but sasa si df jinao ni unamwita mtu ako na short stature so unakuta mtu kama huyo wako zile za a wewe kitanda yenye unakuanga nayo unakuwa na kitanda fupi kaa wewe ama ama unakuwa tu na kitanda
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hii ya kawaida unaona so mtu anakaa apushi na mzee kama huyo ajuee huyu ni mtu wa kawaida ama si wa kawaida kusiana na unakuta masomo kila mara yenye wanaletwa kwa community wanaendelea kuundability ni nini of which ni kitu poa kama
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dandora watu wengi already washajua mambo na disability ju washajua types za disabilities ni gani zenye ziko [kusafisha koo] huko na ukipatana na mtu kama huyo inafaa udeal na yeye aje m okay kevin what do you have to say about
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that ni gani umeskia and misconceptions out here yenye people are talking about for in regards to young people with disability okay for me I do believe that people talk and people have the different me mostly tuseme pande ya the rural areas
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they do believe that disability that as as Jack said is about witchcraft and other myths but mostly the common thing mostly about the disability it has become to people believe that is the mistake of their parents maybe they did
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something or una vitu kama hizo and why we say it's high time even the rural area or even the urban area buuse unapata pia huku vitu bado Nairobi unak anili vitu zingine even right now kuna mle hajui this is a white kin
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okay this is a white kin unasheka mtu hazijuave devices the are different assessive devices like as you have You have heard shortcha m kuna pale inafikanga hawezi tembea when you are inviting person with the short stretcher hufai kumpitisha kwa pale
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kunajua sana buse even the the tamk itself unaona ho hiyo jua vile mchoma unajua ni mshot itaweza itamuaffect okay you get m eh somebody with autism eh kuna most of them use m that is their their CC devices
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buse naona yeye kutembea na pengine anatutemeka or even they are back everything in our effect so I can say is that time advocacy comes to a place whereby like right know what you're using you're using media to reach
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to the world yes I think some time as media they they come up with a section whereby they do advocacy through media buse for me I'm very passionate advocacy to disability an activist you to disability and I do tell people is
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time we sit down and have this conversation not on the board on the ground buse you see sa hi tuko we reach almost 100 million 200 million people eh all over the world eh someone who had had no information uling
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have an information and those media will able to educate those people with other different disability to get to know about their disability and what you saying about the me what people do believe about disability you see the the people with alpinism
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m nowads you don't say albino you say people with alpinism mhm so you see when you saying people with alpinism they have a lot of challenge wafike hapo pale wametoka lot of threat mh [kusafisha koo] imekuwa a lot of education a lot of
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civic education parent kuna mtu alikuwa do you know there called bit leg bit ukiona huyo mtu utafikiria ni yeye ni mtu amekaa siwa pia with the skin but as same goes by able to understand buse when came to kenya tume research watu
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wanafikiria ni h mtu alijibleach you see aljipage saa zingine vitu zikakomaakoma kwa mwili but akae chini understand eh this bital thing how does it affect what happens eh and more it the more unaendelea kuchomeka na jua the more anakuja an
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turn skin anakuwa albino naseka so that's why I'm saying this eh when have we have this conversation people will able to understand about different disability kwa nimekuambia right Now as we go on eh kutoka sasa akibaki up to
Speaker A
date how many 24 years sindio we are still discovering new disability every day and every night and is that time also as the community itself and the radio stations it's a challenge that we give tunapatia tunawaambia tuongelee tupatia 5 minutes or 10 minutes or 20
Speaker A
minutes 30 minutes mh to educate people on the ground about disability true. Yes. M Yeah, thank you so much. I'm glad that you know you found you found an opportunity and I've also gotten an opportunity to also to get and understand more about
Speaker A
persons with disability because most times hatuna okay information is power na information iko out there but getting people watu wenye wanashare their lived experience because that is also something and that is something that we really appreciate kwa hii podcast tunasemanga we all have a
Speaker A
story to tell and we are all stories to be told so everybody's story deserves to be told because through the story yenye kwenye mtu mwingine anasha you can be able sio unapitia hiyo but you can be able to just empathize and
Speaker A
understand eh and understand about the other person's perspective so there was a question here uh so I put a question out for people to ask about wote kwa wote le I was like tuko na guests wetu leo wametoka wote kwa wote.
Speaker A
So uh but uh maybe before we even get to that so this year's international youth day the theme ni different context common aspirations. So when you think about young persons with disability living in informal settlements like Dandor example vile tumesema uh what
Speaker A
does this mean to you? What does this theme for international youth day really mean to you? And the theme is different context, common aspirations.
Speaker A
Mhm. [kusafisha koo] So for me let me start before Jack answers there. Mhm. I do believe that as people who are living in those rural area urban areas they they do live in a lot of challenges because you see someone with disability
Speaker A
m with issues to do with mobility buse even the terrain of itself it's of course challenging the place itself buuse you see when you are living with the person's ability when he is using a wheelchair or using clutches m
Speaker A
or the visual buse you see the visual impaired eh unaf Faa kujua pale unaelekea kwa kama tuseme leo m nimetoka nje ya mlango yangu mhm kutoka nje niko nimeacha mawe iko hii pande tomorrow wamechange mhm leo jana watu vijana watu walivugana
Speaker A
vitu zika wakagonga ile ma unashika [kicheko] so it's a challenge for a person who is with disability living in those slam areas buse unapata kuna a lot of things also economically m kwa unapata mtu ako na disability different naona kama mtu ako na
Speaker A
wheelchair [kusafisha koo] kupitia kwa hiyo terin ni very tough mh mhm na pengine hata iko very friendly so anabidi kuuse a guide ule pengine atamwambia nikupeleke pale fulani na mpaka pale fulani I need to charge you eh ukweli m
Speaker A
see even itself pande ya pengine kufua nguo pengine huko hakuna maji ananidi kukomboa mtu amletee ma m amletee maji you see and that's a cost m na employment right now ni very iko ju iko juu sana unemployment iko very juiko
Speaker A
sorry iko juu sana un see so for me I'm like asking myself eh buse you see what wote we do empowerment programs sometimes and also empting other organizations to empility telling telling me or her is that time that you yourself empower
Speaker A
yourself buse ukitegemea mtu akuja akuempower youl stay there and you be able to do several things you see and this year them also that includes personability and also the the aspect of of education buse for me education is also advocacy
Speaker A
to advocate for even the government itself even the people themselves is time can you sit down with this person's ability and get to know how can I help you not in terms of begging in terms of if I give you 100 shillings what can you
Speaker A
do with it m eh buse you see for me I do believe empiring a person m you also empower other people buse pengine ako na familia sure and there's a lot of as Jackie had said eh m kuna a lot of GBV on the ground
Speaker A
m imagine a visually impaired person ako is a woman ako na watoto and na pengine ako na girl child m unapata kuna eh kuna kuna drunkards kuna people who are using different types of drugs eh m they see a woman see eh huyu ni mwanamke
Speaker A
but they don't see you just see a person that they can use if they want to use m so you see this advocacy wanapitanga a lot let me say personal disability mostly the women with disability they are facing a lot of challenge a lot
Speaker A
of challenge which is going to a place whereby we need a lot of advocacy in slam areas with this issues of GBV it's quite very high buse even in terms of employment and everything buse unaona utachukua msichana ako na disability ndio at least
Speaker A
wakienda shughuli au wakienda those advocacy pole those advocacy trainings wanamtumia ndio apate kitu kidogo you see Mhm. But not there to help this person there to take advantage what she or he is getting mukkienda trainings.
Speaker A
Yes. Okay. Yeah. Thank you very much. I think napenda that you have mentioned about you know empowering young people. Empowering young people kwa community yenye mnaserve.
Speaker A
wako kwa wote kwa wote. How has been like for you working with this young people and like you just trying to understand their lived you know their lived stories and their lived reality kwa ground vile mambo iko kwa ground.
Speaker A
Okay. Kwa ground vitu ni tofauti sana. Mhm. Unaweza [kusafisha koo] kuta kuna mzazi na ni mzazi mdogo bado a young parent ako na mtoto maybe ako na celebral.
Speaker A
So unakuta huyu mzazi aliachwa na boyfriend. Boyfriend alienda kwa sababu huyu mzazi alizaa mtoto mwenye ako na CP.
Speaker A
So venye alizaa akaona hii ni kama ni laana na akatoroka akaenda. Sasa unakuta huyu mzazi kwenda kutafuta kazi hata hata ni ya kufua ama hata kama ni kazi ya mibi kwenda hii kazi mtaani unakuta inakuwa ni ngumu juu atache huu mtoto
Speaker A
nani juu huyu ni mtoto mwenyewe ananid care kabisa yeye mwenyewe hana pesa alafu huyu mtoto mtu mwenye ameachia anahitaji pia kulipwa so unakuta most of the type mzazi kama huyo anafunga mlango anafungia mtoto ndani ili aende atafute na pengine hata ana huyo mtoto pekee
Speaker A
yake bibi ako na watokaa wawili kuna yule amefungia bibi ule amebeba ameenda na yeye unakuta kitu kama CP mtoto hakuangi yeye uko tu pale tu ni mdogo tu ako tu kwa kitanda kama ni pampers ana need kama mbi chakula anafaa alishwe.
Speaker A
utakuta hata akienda kufulia mtu anafua mbio mbio arudi akujalishe hata huyu mtoto na mibi yule mdogo mwenye alienda na yeye pia si anahitaji pia kukula anahitaji kila kitu unaona anahitaji mpaka mavazi haya unakuta huyu mwingine maybe huyu mdogo huyu mwingine bibi pia
Speaker A
anahitaji masomo unakuta saa hii Kenya by three years mtoto anafaa kuweko shule so mtoto hajaenda shule kwa sababu mama hana pesa na ni shule gani inaweza accommodate mtoto mwenyewe mzazi hajalipia shule unakuta ni ngumu sana kwake.
Speaker A
Haya unakuta mtu kaa maybe ako na psychosocial unakuta hata kaa huyu mzazi ameandika kwa CV yake ako na psychosocial ndio kazi amekosa haipata.
Speaker A
Eh so unakuta because of the stigma. unakutaa sasa inabidi udanganye hata kwa CV hapa kwa disability hutaandika itabaki tu umeacha hivo ndio mimi ile time ukishapata hiyo kazi ndio bye ukuje usemee mbi kaa ni huyo huyo nani mfany
Speaker A
huyo mwajiri wako mwenye amekuandika kazi bibi saa ukiona ni mtu mwenye ni wa kuelewa ndio unaweza mwambia eh by the way mimi nakuanga na hii condition but sasa ukikuta kama maybe ni yule mtu kisirani hutaimwambia utakanga na hiyo
Speaker A
condition yako so unakuta Hata watu wako na psychosocial ni ngumu sana kupata kazi. As long as umeandika uko na psychosocial wewe ni hivo huwezi pata kazi.
Speaker A
So unakuta wazazi huku kwa mtaani ni ngumu sana kumanage na hii saa hii maisha ya saa hii venye kono mimi imekuwa ngumu unakuta ni ngumu sana buse utakuta ataenda atafulia maybe mtua kimani ampatie maybe 200 300 itafanya nini saa
Speaker A
hii? Hakuna. Unakuta pesa ni ndogo sana. So unakuta mzazi maybe anaweza kure one mil per day.
Speaker A
Mhm. So hapo ndio wote kote inaingilia kuuza kwa ofisi atapata kaunga kake ama kaskari kake. Eh. Na sasa unaona hii feeding program pia tunahitaji pia wale wale wellwishers wakuje at least hata watusaidie pia waongeze vitu kama hizo buse sisi pekee yetu hatuwezi unakuta
Speaker A
hata pengine pia wewe maybe huna kazi unaenda. unakuta eh kuingia kwa mfuko utaingia utatoa nini hapo b tukiendelea kupata maybe don wenye wataendelea kutusaidia at least itasaidia watu kwa community especially ha young mothers ju unakuta sasa mtu alikupatia mimba
Speaker A
naye alienda akakuacha na yeye ukuwa tu mtaani mbali na unafaa ujue vile mtan na unajua ni mtoto wako lazima tule haya mtoto wako bado pia anafaa apate hizo madawa kama ni wa sipi si anafaa dawa ni kitu yenye ni ngumu sana kwa
Speaker A
wasichana wa community tunajaribu tutafanyaje ile ndogo yenye iko tunawagawia [kusafisha koo] ile yenye mko nayo kama anorganization hiyo ndio yenye mnagawa na mnawunasonga mbele so we really need well wishes to also come through so maybe maybe hata before we even go
Speaker A
kwa sababu um mention well wishers how do this wellwishers come to you like how do they get to you the well wishers like tuko na website alafu bado Pia tuko kwa tuko kwa Facebook tuko maybe the website you can tell us alafu
Speaker A
we put it down there we put it on the description yeah tutashareas so the website eh anywhere else they can find you social media yeah tuko kwa tiktokata kwa game changers Instagram yeah Instagram all the social medias all the social media platforms zote
Speaker A
yeah we are there but we will give you after after before we leave yes please and then we can even add it on the on the on the description on the show description. Yes buse right now what we
Speaker A
have right now because of the challenge that as Jackie has said in terms of well wishers you find that hiyo feeding program it was going so well 2020 up to 2024 but right now the wellish that was supporting us akakumsek
Speaker A
so right now we are just doing the the part of empowering the women buse as jack said the women mostly wakipata disability m [kusafisha koo] wanaku kuwa single mothers m kuna high rate ya in terms of data even
Speaker A
eh worldwide unapotang mtu akipata disability many women many men leave the woman ndiye aze kujifchia and you find few very few m men or men who stay with their their women or with their kids who are who have disability unapata sasa huyo mama
Speaker A
vile unasema saa hii imagine the dip right is almost 30 shillings or 40 25 shillings.
Speaker A
Mhm. Hiyo ni pengine amepewa 200. Mh. Unapata kuna dawa anafaa kukunywa. Mhm. Alafu tena kuna chakula kuna a special meal m ule hafai kukula chakula kawaida nyingi mnakula.
Speaker A
So special diet. Mh. Shills. You need to pay it needs to pay rent. So imagine that 200 shillings m hata ikifika mwezi penyewe atakuwa na na pesa kulipa rent mh so they are really struggling so what we do most as wote kwa wote. What do you
Speaker A
have in your hand? Eh m what do you cf? Uko na shughuli unafanya kama ni ya kupika mandazi we we boost it.
Speaker A
Okay. You see empowerment empowerment. No, we boost it. So you be able to get more capital au kama ni bid work vitu kama hizo even right now we looking for we looking for partners that w wanafanyia shughuli ya
Speaker A
bid eh buse many people with disabil with with disability wanafanyiwa bid work. Mhm. And then we say to these people they go and get market so it's easier for them at their comfort place wanaweza fanya kupata pesa.
Speaker A
So for me I can say in terms of well wish eh we we are hoping and praying that as we go on buse right now I know things are difficult and that's why also we joined South Moja Alliance.
Speaker A
Mhm. Buse this is moja alliance it's groups who are coming together with one voice to change the community to have one voice that can make a difference to every every community or every woman or every youth on the
Speaker A
ground. So for me I can say that's why I joined moja alliance to be able also to advocate for disability buse unaona disability it's today to life is a challenging thing.
Speaker A
Mhm. Okay. Afu thing nongezea ni kwamba like kunaona ha wenye tunapata kwa ground kwa communities tuko na organization yenye inajiita innovative women disabilities na tuko bado na zip care women initiative. M unakuta hapa zip tuko na padenyewe tunapatia pia ha madem wa
Speaker A
mtaani hawa madem tuseme kama md maybe ako karibu kunyesha sasa si mdem atakuja tuambie siku zangu ziko karibu nini nini zampatia pakets mbili saa kwa zip care ni initiative ukikuja kwa side ya hii innovative women disabilities unakuta sasa mostly tunapatiananga
Speaker A
outako na vitiligo na maybe wenye wanaliv na albinism M tunapatia hizi hizi mafuta hizi za sunreen unakuta unajua ni expensive pia sasa unaona wakikuja kwetu tunaona venye tunawapatia b unajua ni watu wenye pia kwa community so tunatafuta njia
Speaker A
vyenyewe tunaweza apatia hata mtu hata kama ni chupa mbili mkebile tunamwambia hii sasa wewe jipange nayo wewe pakapaka mtoto tuonee by the time hata aishe maybe tutakuwa tumepata wish wengine wametuletea pia b tunapatanga wale watu wenye wanatuletea hizo pads wanatuletea
Speaker A
bado hizo mafuta hizo za sunscreen za watu wako na albinism na viti legalo. So unaona God anatufungulia pia njia juu tunazipata. So auo ndio pia tumepatana pia na hiyo zip care women na bado pia innovative women with disabilities. I
Speaker A
like that you bringing out your aspect like how important partnerships and collaborations are because so many times like vile tu umema like maybe the the person who was supporting you like alienda na akakuwa mgonjwa but then again what do you have because when we
Speaker A
bring our different skills our different kitu yenye wewe uko nayo kidogo mimi nilete ingine and then mtu mwingine alete human human resource is very powerful because kitu kidogo yenye uko nayo Kevin ako nayo me niko nayo somebody else ako nayo like it really
Speaker A
like tunaweza ileta pamoja moja and you able to bring a change and to help someone kwa community and just to the community at large. So as we keep on talking about maybe you know the partnership and you being part of STI
Speaker A
moja Alliance maybe we can also talk about another program yenye nilifind it very interesting that you have at wote kwa wote the education why is education so important for wote kwa wote and why is inclusivity why do we insist so much on inclusivity when it
Speaker A
comes to education okay for me can mostly it's very key buse you see education it has in you have three pillars where it's advocacy m in terms of also advocacy school fees buse you see support in terms of school
Speaker A
fees if we get that's another pillar and then the third pillar is that psychosocial hiyo nini counseling part of it so it falls under the education part of it whereby right now I've story about advocacy we do a lot of advocacy
Speaker A
ukipitia a lot of social media we do a lot of advocacy Mhm. Disability. Secondly about education what we do mostly we have engaged with the schools the public schools to enroll a kid with to enroll a kid unaputanga ni 5,000 6,000 or even 7,000
Speaker A
m in public schools so we come in we have had a conversation with them that if you bring a kid wat wote you ever have of it so that we can be able okay to support we reduce M kids from home
Speaker A
the other area is when we have counseling part of it buse you see many parents wakilose maybe their husband or maybe anapitia through m they go a lot of a lot of rejection wanajireject eh so unapata what can I do what should I
Speaker A
do unaona vitu kama hizo so we tr to see a caregiver disability Mh kama shule ya autism si shule ya blind shule ya blind si shule ya def you see so we try and connect them and tell them where to go
Speaker A
where to find a bit cheap cheaper school and also we find connections whereby if tunapata mtu ako na ako na certain disability we [kusafisha koo] can able to refer to them and also have make few phone calls to be able also to be
Speaker A
supported in terms of scor scholarship or such a thing. So watu we are very passionate about such issues to do with the education and tunasemanga a country without education m it's a country that's going to be in future going to be destroyed buse
Speaker A
education is the key of a country. Yes. Okay. alfu nikiongelea mambo na education unakuta kuna zile miradi zenye zilikuwa zinatusaidia hapo kitambo kama like kuna ile ilikuwa inajiita dreams ilikuwa under hope worldwide Kenya but sasa yeah but sasa juu ya stori ya Trump nini nini
Speaker A
so ukakuta vitu kama hizo ziliendanga unakuta sasa dreams tulikuwa tunapeleka watoto wenye w disability but sasa hio ilikuwa inadal na girl child so unakuta kuna ile pesa yenyewe watalipa kuna kale kasubsid yenye wao watalipa alafu wewe mzazi mzazi unalipa unaona hiyo ilikuwa
Speaker A
inasaidia buse huyu mzazi maybe hana bwana ako yeye pekee yake na ako na watoto wengi basi utakuta watu wasichana wenye wako hapa kwa hii nyumba watasaidika na mtoto akimaliza shule amemaliza secondary so kama hata kuperform poa yenye anenda uni unakuta
Speaker A
huyu mtoto ataekwa maybe kwa vitu kama hii mambo na ya dressing akitaka maybe carpentry ju kuna mpaka ya madem carpentry ama masonry unakuta huu mdem anaweza chagua ile yenye anataka so analipiwa hiyo sasa analipiwa alikuwa analipiwa na dreams program basi
Speaker A
sasa unaona venye ilienda ukakuta sasa maybe watoto walikuwa shule wengine waliacha shule wako nyumbani eh ama unakuta sasa mzazi pia maybe alichukua mtoto akaamua ah acha nimpeleke ushago sa mtu alienda ushago so na programs kama hizo zikaweza kuja
Speaker A
tena at least watu kwa community hawataumia na ukumbuke pia kama tuseme venye kemani amesema mambo na autism utakuta mtoto wako kama ako autistic huwezi mpele eleka issue ile ya kawaida atiendokuwa atapigwa bure jua hata hamuelewa wataona huyu mtoto ni kama
Speaker A
bibi ni kichwa ngumu ama hataki kutulia ju mtu autistic si mtoto mwenyewe atakaa pale pamoja hivi kawa wale wengine utakuta maybe ako hyper nini nini so mtoto kama huyo anafaa kupelekwa shule na hii shule ni expensive si kama hizi
Speaker A
kanjo za kawaida basi sasa unakuta with akikuja kwetu tukawa na zile connection yenyewe tunaweza amrefer tumwambie enda pale fulani fulani ama nafaa kufanyiwa assessment ju unajua kuna mzazi ako na mtoto hajui kama ako na ako na na ako na
Speaker A
utizimu so tunamwambia enda malika kise huyu mtoto ukienda kise ataenda afanywe nini afanywe assessment ajue ako na shida gan maybe kuna mtu anauliza kise ni nini hapo umesema anaweza enda kit so where is that kis kise iko kasaran
Speaker A
kasaran kasarani ni si organization nitahitaje ni shule ni kama ya ni ya government na ni kubwa sana yenye sasa inadeal na hizi disability sana ni sana kaa intellectual hizi kama hiyo sasa autistic iko ndani yako so mtu hii ataenda atafanyiwa
Speaker A
assessment madaktari wako huko na ni free of charge akishafanyiwa bado pia wanadeal na visually impaired na kuna shule huko kuna hadi boarding school oh ya yenye mtu hii hata anaweza kaa huko sasa unaona bado pia kuna ingine ya
Speaker A
visually impaired hapa KSB mtu anaweza enda huko pia mwenye ako na disability ya macho. mtu anaweza anafunzwa maybe venye anaweza tumia vitu kama brail anatumia anafunzwa kutumia hii white ken kwa h si mtoto yeyote tu mwenye mtu mtu amezaliwa maybe
Speaker A
ni kipofu anatumia anaweza tumia hii kitu lazima afunzwe hata brain pia lazima atafunzwa unaona so vitu kama hizo kwa community tukipata pia hizo organization zinasaidia bado pia tutashukuru sana yes eh na ni interesting umesema si kila mtu anafaa tu like hivo kutumia Huwezi pewa
Speaker A
hii ken utumie unashindwa unaishikilia unashindwa [kicheko] haukunzwa kama brail as well unasema and pia like napenda that pia we are also bringing mambo na inclusivity even when it comes to education because watoto wakoed differently na unafaa kujua like huyu mtoto anafaa kwenda hii
Speaker A
shule vile tu Kevin amesema na pia ukatumia an example like mtoto mwenye ako def hawezi enda kwa blind school eh like sasa pia hiyo inabring pia tunaweza ongea pia just coming back to the partnership yenye mko nayo na sauti
Speaker A
moja alliance because you're talking about how vile pia you know organizations pia zinawasaidia ama zina come through in that sense how have you been able to benefit from this kind of alliance apart from you know even networking with other
Speaker A
organizations yenye pia like you also get to understand you know maybe the challenges and how they are also able to to maneuver and support the communities that they serve. How have you been able to benefit from that as a person and as
Speaker A
an organization? First of all, as a person, I can say it was nice at least we have been working with young positive young for so long m but also meeting other organizations coming as a welfare and also being able
Speaker A
to meet different people having having different conversation. M it's very nice first of all I can say that and for me personally having several conversation with them and getting to know that even the refugee part of it they have
Speaker A
disability where they are facing even so in terms of documentation buse you see a refugee has come to Kenya m and aka documentation anaona hajui pale ataenda also we connect them with with different organization that we know ya
Speaker A
disability pia amekuja Kenya We were having a conversation national wide that if you can be able to get person disability to be registered mh kwa disability national council kwa Kenya ndio those benefits that we are getting also them they can get buse you
Speaker A
si wametoka ile country ingin way all like ni ngumu wao kukuwa registered okay buse you see kuna zile kush unaulizwa sub county fulani bla bla bla unaona vitu kama hizo so imagine ana document entation okay atapatiana nini so
Speaker A
at the end of the day that citizen it nier mhm ikuulize about if you a refuge so it's quite challenging for that person also to get help m na nasikanga pia kuna ile k wanapatia ngo there's urban there's urban
Speaker A
identification ile kadi in unapatiwa m ati kutoka kakuma the main place is kakoma m s kuna kazi unapatiwa sa ndio kuja ukuwe urban unaweza kaa kisomo ndio unaweza enda like to the urban places now okay so imagine ule ana knowledge anataka
Speaker A
wich anataka white k anaona vitu kama hizo is quite challenging so through that organization to learn a lot of things about documentation about nini na also to going to different forums like knowpk helps in terms of the refugees
Speaker A
advocacy area pia tum kadhaa zinatufundisha how to how to be able if you have challenge with a refuge person we to refer them so for niko na contacts naweza kukuambia ukienda mahali fulani ukipiga simu fulani youl be helped itc
Speaker A
from the birth hiyo hizo vitu zote kwa unapata kuna mwingine alikuja kenya akazaa mtoto huku m hana documentation na huyu mtoto ni mkenya nao kwa amezaliwa huku yeah you see such things buse you See what happened to South Africa
Speaker A
kitu ifanyike hapa in Kenya buse you see we are helping each other in different way that you can't know true you see yes so for me I can say through that through coming together as saut moja alliance it
Speaker A
is able to help me organization we able to learn a lot of things buse unapataa eh pande ya even na congization ya so unapata pia kuna challenge unapata kama kuna disability mh eh wako kwa hiyo field eh what happen to them
Speaker A
eh wanapitia nini wanaabuziwa wanafanya nini na vitu kama hizo so for me able to learn that as an organization we are able to learn that what person are facing in other organizations yeah what they facing in other organizations
Speaker A
[kusafisha koo] nikiona nini kwamba unao refugees unakuta mtu maybe ameenda kwa fas facility mh enda kwa facility hana ID so unakuta mtu kama huyo ezi ako kwa sha juu hana nini hana unaona hana idea na unakuta ni mtu mbiwa na ulemavu sasa
Speaker A
unakuta kuna zile services zingine hatapata venyewe mkenya atapata sasa kitu kama hiyo pia inashughulikiwa ndio mtu kama huyu akienda maybe kwa facility apate kwa zo ni mtu alitoka kwao ashakuja kenya maybe amezaa hapa amekuwa na familia hapa na maybe anafanya kazi so unakuta kama
Speaker A
like hawa Burundi si wanakuanga na uzezi kahawa wanajituma ndio kushinda wakenya but s unakuta mtu kama huyo kuna zile vitu zingine hawezi fanyiwa kwa sababu yeye si mkenya na hizo vitu ndio tunajaribu tuone venye utashughulikiwa at least hata hawezi
Speaker A
kupata wakwe kama wakenya sasa ju already washakuja wameshakuwa wa country yetu wanaishia even the services inakuwa different na mtu mwaka tofauti huna idea unaexpect nini eh so services maybe ukienda zingine mutav kulipa eh na ni interesting umesema hivyo there is
Speaker A
a time oh all thanks to refugee brotherhood we also had you know an episode with them and it was really interesting to just get to understand even the struggles and the challenges that you know the refugees are facing na
Speaker A
wako hii country na wengine wamekaa for a very long time wamepata watoto watoto wanasoma but you know through the partnership that they have with the different organizations under the south alliance they have been able to mtu anjua ah
Speaker A
ukienda hii ukienda hii organization ukienda ile shule huyo mwalimu maybe tunamjua ama the head master and then you know we can see maybe like unaweza lipa kidogo like just the you know just coming together human resource to vile
Speaker A
tulikuwa tunasema and understanding and sharing ideas and knowledge so that you can be able to just understand maybe how things work kwa sababu maybe haukuwa familiar with how things work in the different in the different place yenye umeenda uh there is a place nilikuwa and
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then we were having this conversation so people were saying on how vile we have the somalist like wameanza kukuwa wengi in Kenya.
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So somebody was arguing and saying that they need to they need to go back. Okay. I don't know nikisema go back I don't know how this is going to sound. Okay.
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But it's more of like because most of them si Wakenya live alone hata wenye wamezaliwa Kenya but kwa sababu wamekuja place yetu. So even the resources that we have ati zimekuwa like hizo resources like ni za wakenya maybe 63 million
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Kenyans and then nyinyi pia population yenyu imekuja and then ikaad ikaadd to the you know to the 63 million maybe the hiyo yenye walikuwa wameketa for maybe tuseme ni kama ni health. M so they were arguing and saying
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that hii healthc service kama ilikuwa imecated for this particular population so nyinyi you can't be able to access the same services. It was controversial that conversation hata mimi nilikuwa he mi pia naweza enda South Africa alafu you saw what happened by the way because
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some people are feeling ni kama wanafe kama like you know you guys mmekuja and then you're using our resources so sisi tunabaki hatuna but I think it was more than that really okay what what is there result of fear
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kwa unapata the problem with South Africa ilikuwa ni jobs wanachukua makazi zetu wanachukua makazi zetu Yeah. And now talking to the issue of Somali is all about also that fear in um power sana as we are left nyuma. Shika eh in terms
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of the economic taxation part of it wan a lot of tax and the government is checking key key interest to them.
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Inakuwa challenge pia kwa ule mtu anafanya biashara anakuwa anaona hawa watu kuna vile wanakam m they might overtake us things but what I say is all about fear. Yeah.
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And collaborations. Mhm. And also misconceptions. Yeah. True. Yeah. Plus, I don't see why somebody will go because healthc like access to health care that is a universal right though.
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So it will be very unfortunate and s somebody akikuwa denied that right to access healthcare service just because ati they feel like we unafaa kuweka entry ingine haufai kukuwa hapa. So you are not able to access the services, you
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know, the healthcare service here. Yeah. Yeah. That would be that would be unfortunate. So maybe just as we wind up uh maybe I can just ask what does genuine inclusion look like in practice and what role can you know the community
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at large uh play in ensuring that no young person is left behind regardless of who they are?
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Okay. For me genuisha that maybe kama ni kazi unaandika kila mtu ako na disability hana disability anafaa kuandikwa kazi. M unakuta kama ni health services tunafaa tushughulikiwe mh uko na disability una disability kwa facilities tunahitaji at least kukuwe na
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slis mh au sign language interpreters unakutaa tuseme kaa mimi mimi ni def nimekuja kwa hospitali hakuna mtu mwenyewe ananisaidia hakuna mkalimani hapo mwenye atanisaidia kusema niko na hii shida na hii shida na unakuta maybe kuna wale providers wenyewe hawajafunzwa
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maybe hiyo sign language interpretation kama utakuta mtu kama viwed ataenda hapo maybe anaishi pekee yake atapewa dawa si ameandikiwa 1 3 hii ingine ameandikiwa sijui two times atajua gani ndio ganiel si unaona so kuna zile vitu zenyewe inafaa watuonyeshe nini zikue zenye za
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kutuonyesha that pia sisi tuko included kwa kila kitu [kusafisha koo] hata kwa decision making watu wenye na disability pia tunafaa pia tuitwe kwa hizo Mis pia tusaidie pia kutoa maoni yetu. Tuseme yenyewe eh sisi kama watu wenye wako na
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ulemavu tunahitaji hivi na hivi. Utakuta mbi kama mtu mwenye ako na short sture mtu kama huyo ameenda kujifungua m imagine mtu kama huyo kitanda iwe huku juu atapanda aje? Ndio. Kuna zingine zimekuwa chungazi bahati zingine hazina vitu kama hizo. Mtu kama sasa ako na ako
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na kashida kiasi kenyewe atashindwa sasa atafikia kitandaje. tutambeba tumweke juu ama itakuwaje unaona so pia hiyo tunataka inclusivity hapo pia education wise inafaa pia kwa shule tukue pia na walimu wenye maybe pia wenye wanaweza funza watu wenye wako autistic na
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wengine isiku ati hii shule ahah nyinyi hatuwataki nyinyi hamko normal unaona wanasemanga hawa watoto hawako normal endeni kwa shule zenyu so tunataka pia side pia education tukue pia included haya unakuta saa pale kama maybe tukikuja mahali kama hapa kwa buildings
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tunahitaji place yenyewe Kimani atapanda kusakuwa hata na ram yenye atapanda akiwa ako sawa si pale penye anatumia stairs [kicheko] unaona Juma inclusive even in the building hata kwa buildings haya utakuta pia nikirudi kwa short stature unakuta [kusafisha koo] maybe sasa hapo kwa
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reception yenyu reception iko hapa hivi juu huyu short stage surely unaexpect atafikia aje hapa hapo we ama hata maybe hata sa ile akiingia na mbi uko kwa shughuli yako maybe unaandika vitu hapo utamuona akiingia ju see ako hivi ni mdogo hivi so maybe
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azunguke akuje hapa ndani hapa sasa ndio akueleze eh m niko hivi na hivi nataka kusidi hivi na hivi eh na hujamuona haya unakutakaa maybe will cha ususa maybe hii mlango yako hii mlango yenyu ni ndogo na unajua inafaa venyewe ataingia
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na hiyo wich yake na akiwa na mtu mwenye anamguide waingie na yeye hiyo kio wchach izunguke at least atoshee hapo but sasa mlango ikiwa ndogo atatoshe aje mtamsaidia akiwa hii side ingine itakuwa ni ngumu sana unaona so vitu kama hizo
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ndio tunataka at least mtu include yaani hata mkijenga buildings mkae mkijua kuna watu wako na disability kuna yule mtu mwenyewe hazi panda stairs kama hu wilayusa umekaa maybe hospitali yako ama kama hapa kwenyu hapa kwenyu M huyu mtu huyu atafika aje hapa? Hamna
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lift hamna lifs. Sasa huyu atapanda stairs. Eh hamna Rams unaona. utaniambia mtachukua na nyinyi hapa mende mbebe mlete huku juu haiwezekani unaona [kicheko] so kwa buildings pia mnafaa mku inclusive kwa macho pia choo utakutaa ile kitu ile stuff ya kufiko
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huko juu okay unanipata so huyu ni mtu huyu ni short statcher amemaliza kutumia m so mimi itabidi niingie kwa hiyo choo nimsaidie kufash mnanipata So pia kitokayo kuflash mnafai inafaa ikuwe pia hapo chini pia. So vitu kama hizo
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that's interesting. I think tu ni vitu zenye eh like ni vitu ni vitu ni vitu like just looking at it vile tu umejisema I'm like you know what that is very important kwa sababu why are we not inclusive as a society? Buse we keep
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talking about tunaongeleanga inclusivity sana hata when we are coming I was selling Vicky tunaongeleanga inclusivity sana. na hata nilikuwa naambia Vicky na niko worried about hiyo building yetu wataingia [kicheko] you know because I actually just I immediately thought about the
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stairs hata when we were talking with wa kesho nilikuwa tunashinda nikimwambia aki I'm just stored about the stairs hiyo building haiko juma unaweza janga building inine ama utwekee nini ama watafute kwingine hata tu unakuta maybe kwa room kama hii si unajua kuna
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ule mwenyewe ni lovision mtu kama huyo maybe haitaji ile mwangaza sana buse utakuta kama s like mwangaza kama hii maybe kama kuna wings ziko hapo hataona juu ya hii wdings ju hii mwangaza eh utakuta mtu kama hu anakaa background
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kuwe dark alafu sasa ndio wings maybe anaweza ona buse mtu kama huyo maybe hatumii kitu kama brail ama ama hata hamna brail hamna brail hapa so huyu mtu mneexpect mtamanje tena yeye hapa umesema hivo nikakumbuka maybe before i
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come back to you kevin i hope sijakukut umesema hivyo nikakumbuka this a my have a cousin om ako seven six years so he was alikuwa anafanya like a poem he was showing me a poem yenye amekuwa akijifunza and then he was using like
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sign language. So I was I was interested zile za like eh Rigan like kwani unafanya na sign language? Akaniambia eh nataka ndio nikienda place yenye mtu hawezi I think hiyo ilini ilinimotivate. I was like you know what that is so nice for you to
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also understand that people were able differently and there's something you can do and you can learn on how to communicate with them. So I really I don't know every time I think when we are having this kind of conversation
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like I go back to that sixyear old guy telling me that he was learning a poem on how to also be inclusive in those kind of conversations kama likeani maybe angekuja sasa na def m sasa tungefanya ingekuwa tricky
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ukweli ilikuwa very tricky eh ju kila building kila building inafaa ikuwe pia na sli hapo juu hujui utapatana na mtu anakaaje bibi ni mtu anataka kusaidiwa kuinterpretiwa kitu kweli Eh ju saa hii def akikuongelesha hutaelewa kabisa kama hujasomea hiyo masomo ya
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sign langage interpretation utaelewa kabisa. S hata sa hii ukiambiwa usign jina yako huwezi elewa.
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Eh unaispell unaandika uambi. [kicheko] Yeah. Ah Kevin ka sa hivi tumesema sign name yangu Kevin na Kevin.
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Hivo tu. Hivo tu Kevin kwa nini nimed Kevin hii ni K [kicheko] hii ni K sasa nikifanya hivi Kevin the blind oh yeah n sign okay okay the main topic for me I was saying nilikaa kila kitu and me I'll come back to the part of
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employment m where the 5% eh imefika mahali imeongelewa sana sana sana even the act that it was changed lately gram ilikuwa imechange kidogo but now it says you must have the 5% mh so I ask I ask this building or you guys
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the 5% is it presented or or are you having an area whereby you are planning to bring a person disability also to learn like you guys also one day ako ana interview like us people unaona vitu kama hizo
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inclusivity m and that's why employment is key unapata pia so many social media media houses person disability hawajakuwa involved and there are very many qualified person disability right now unapata disability wengi wamelarn ni machopi different costes kuna lawyers kuna
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kuna architects na vitu kama hizi kuna vitu kama hizo. So for time also we bring in issue to do with employment. mh wacha tufikirie kitu k unapata ukisaidia ukisaidia wawili kesho mwingine tena anasaidia mwingine anaweza wasaidia wengine watatu wanne
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m that thing will grow m and employment ya disability unasema eh wanapenda kuomba wanapenda kufanya nini and let me tell you like now when you see a autistic person mh in Europe countries and Asian countries mh eh I think 2.5% 5% eh of them wale wako
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social wale wako IT mh tunaitanga magek m the people with autism m autism people wale wako na autism they are very sharp wakichukua kitu kama ni pande ya kompyuta au kama ni pande ya kitu fulani they are very perfect m
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so is that time as a country also we look in area of empowering those kids m na wazazi wanaadviziwa therapy so they can able to mentor them and also to help them wakuwa wakubwa they can be somebody in the society
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buse you see right now eh ukienda hizo makati za nje unapata wengi wale wako na hizo hizo autism they are doing something like there's a movie that it's called good doctor ushaiona yes i've watched that good doctor good doctor yes good doctor such a good
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doctor for eh ako na autism si unaona vile ako he tacles his patience m so for me i say eh you ask yourself how kimani una movie aje oh yenyewe kimani [kicheko] movie say i watch movies but you see that's the thing that with
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the conception of people they do believe that waning a mtakuwa visually m vitu zingine kadhaa how does they watch movie how do do they do their things for like for me kukupikia food walahi walahi ah utanipikia very soon story challenge
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hapa nikin nipike ukweli eh chapati oh he makes nice chapati nitakuja wote kwa wote nile cha you see [kicheko] so in terms of empowerment let's empower [kusafisha koo] person disability buse they have different talents m they have different
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ideologies which they can bring into the country and help the country even in those workplaces.
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Yeah. So for mega vitu mingi about them so for me I consider mostly about empowering them and also having let's engage them and I know and I do believe that if we start somewhere be somewhere. M nikiongeza nikiongezea kitu moja
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ah unaona hizi organization zenye zinadeal na persons with disabilities unakuta pia hizo mara mingi zinakuanga zimebagua watu wako na disability tuseme kama like Kilimanjaro blind trust unaona kuna kitu inaitwa reasonable accommodation inakuanga ile okay huyu ni vi unaweza takaweza kufanya ukwe
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comfortable si kuna yule atasema anataka brill kuna yule atasema anataka white kin yule mtu mwenyewe atataka guide kama mtu kaa kimani expect atatembea pekee yake bila guide but with Kilimanjaro blind trust wanataka ujilete pekee yako na ujirudishe nyumbani pekee yako
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they so not inclusive unaona hawako inclusive na wao wanadeal na watu wenye wamelemaa macho ju wanadeal na watu ni vi buta how come mbona wae expect that mtu kaa kimani ajifikishe huko pekee yake na maybe training ya kitu kama wiki nzima so
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kimani ajipeleke huko ama unampeleka amfikishe hapo chini yeye aende juu have people try to give them maybe that kind of feedback but eti hawajui wanajua but sasa nothing no change is happening m okay now because umemention kitu kama
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hiyo how does an inclusive Kenya look like to you this is our last one word how does an inclusive Kenya look like to you as Jackie Ah ah inafa pale kila mtu mh ah amekubalika mhm like kila mtu tunaona kama hiyo 5% yenye
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kimani alikuwa anasema kama hapa nataka nikuje at least nipate hata kama ni va pale kwa reception ama nikute maybe ni mtu kama maybe short staure anatushughulikia hapo nitajua yenyewe hapa hii dunia sa hii kwenye inaelekea ni dunia yenyewe hiyo
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inclusivity yenye iko si ati pale naweza kuja hapa nikuta nyi wote hamna disabilities hii 5% iko wapi na wako kwa sababu si ati hawako wako wengi sana yaani tuko watu wengi sana wenye wako na disability but hakuna pale unakuta car building kama hii
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unaweza kuta hata hakuna disability moja ako hapa m so tunataka kila kitu ikuwe wazi the 5% ikuwe hapo ndani m thank [kusafisha koo] you that is insightful yes kevin one word mhm M I can say the we are trying
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we are trying we are trying we are trying yeah to get there m yesajess that mh yes thank you very much guys ha on a scale of 1 to 10 how has this episode been for you wa nikikuwa eh nimekuwa nervous hizo
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story alikuja bamba nine kusema [kicheko] nine na vile alikuwa worried tukianza that's a good one that's a good one yes kevin Eh naweza 9.8 9.8 hizo mbili umesema ni za Mungu [kicheko] b zenyewe the conversation has been friendly okay
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eh inclusive at least naa ile kuwa na uoga hatujakuwa ile uoga ile the environment self is friendly say so thank you very much wote kwa wote where is it exactly ndio watu wakikuja dandora wakuja wapitie hapo wote kwa wote iko dandora face 5
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mtu akipanda gari kutoka town anapanda gari za dandora zenye anaskia sharp corona mhm M so sharp atashukia stage inajiita provide.
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So hapo provide akishuka hapo ni kama steps kama 20 hivi ashafika si mbali na hapo kwa stage ama hata akiuliza wote kwa wote iko wapi hata akiwa hapa wanaweza iona wote kwa wote iko mbali hapo.
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Sawasawa. Thank you very much guys. For me, an inclusive Kenya looks like me having different people with different abilities in all the diversities haide out podcast because vile tu mlisema like we even want even this conversation we want to hold space
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for each and every person because h these stories they need to be told and who else to tell them kama sisi watu wenye tuko na space and a platform for us to have this kind of conversations.
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So aseni sana for coming. I really had a good time and happy international youth day. Yes.
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To you all. I remember the theme. Tumesema theme ni different different. He mbona hii theme imekuwa ngumu leo kushika? Different context. Oh [kicheko] actually nilikuwa right vile nilikuwa nafikiria different context common aspirations and everybody. We have different aspirations, different
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leadership qualities and everything different but that does not make us so different from each other. Sindio? Yeah.
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Eh and let us not live in silos because we need each other. Yeah. Yes. Kevin, as I conclude, I want to say it has a been a pleasure m us coming here also the diversity of it coming different we meet different
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people having this conversation. Yeah. And also trying to see what can we do as ability and the you guys how we can have this conversation and having this conversation it's very key.
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And for me, I want to invite you guys also in wote kwa wote thank you. You let's come you can come you have more discussion whatever you feel itibiwa hapa you can come you can call like my number
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you can come you can call you can have a conversation or anything that unaona kujibiwa vizuri [kusafisha koo] we are ready as wote kwa wote buse for me I don't believe in advocacy issues and learning is everyday everyday that we
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learn and we learn and continue learning yes Yeah. So our social media will also will give out our social media. We in Facebook.
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M eh LinkedIn is wote kwa wote m CBO eh what else FB LinkedIn ni wote kwa wote also the the account is wote kwa wote but Instagram it's water kwa wote foundation. Okay.
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Yes. All right. And my telephone number is 07 24 382 549. Okay. Yes. All right.
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Yeah. Sawa sawa. You can repeat again. 0724 0724. Mhm. 382. Mhm. 549. Mhm. And our slogan is ni wakati.
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Ni wakati. Ni wakati for inclusivity. Ah nice the symbol is this. Oh that is the symbol like ni wakati watch. Okay. Yeah.
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Thank you. That has been so insightful. Asanteni sana. Thank you very much. And also to Sauti Moja Alliance we really appreciate all the effort that you put and give us also an opportunity for us to also have this amazing and beautiful
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conversation that we are having here. Asanteni sana and happy international youth day. Thank you very much.
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