PROJECT CAMELOT BILL WOOD ABOVE _ BEYOND PROJECT LOOKIN… — Transcript

[Music] [Music] [Applause] This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot. I'm here with Bill Wood. He's going to be talking about his experiences as part of a special unit, a SEAL unit in Iraq and other places around the globe as part of the American military. Some of this testimony may be considered to be in violation of his National Security oath, but we are going to be trying to stay within the parameters of that. He is going to first of all speak on the subject of a disclaimer in regard to a project that he is using this for on a personal level. Hi. I just want to disclose to everybody that I am writing a fictional book about this interview and the things that I discuss in this interview. The reason for this interview is for purposes of marketing that book, and that book, of course, is fictional. Okay, great. And so at this point, we are going to start in the beginning, and I'd like you to talk about why you came and contacted me and what group or groups you, in a certain sense, represent if you want to use it sort of loosely in that term. Okay. Basically, I don't really have any group that I represent. However, there are many, many people, both former and current military, that have a huge amount of concern over what the members of the military know to be what's really going on in the Middle East and places that we are occupying currently outside of this country. Those concerns have grown more and more throughout the years, and it's to the point where a lot of these current and former military members speak. The best description of these military members would be oathkeepers. An oathkeeper is somebody who basically focuses primarily on the oath that they took when they joined the service and not so much what they're ordered to keep secret or to tell is secret, as opposed to what is in the best interest of the Constitution and the country. Okay. Let's also say that there's a purpose behind this that has to do with the NDA. The main purpose for this interview was the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act. The individuals that I speak with on a regular basis have grown a consensus that this is the end of the erosion of our constitutional rights. It pretty clearly spells out in a lot of paperwork that America has been declared a war zone and American citizens are subject to arrest and detainment outside of the constitutional protections of trial by jury, the right to an attorney, the right to being charged with a crime even is stripped away in that bill. I don't believe most of the American public has been properly informed via the media, so we're trying to get the message out and get some support in the fact that we cannot continue to allow the progressive erosion of the constitutional rights and expect to have our rights ever be taken seriously at some point. Okay. So at this point, Bill, when you approached me, I really had no idea what this was going to be about, and it was quite surprising that you had the kind of disclosures that you have and some of the background that you have. So what I'd like to do is go back through your testimony because at the time I didn't have a camera, and I do want to say that we're in a public place here, but we are forced to be in this kind of a public place for a number of reasons that I can't explain on camera. But take it from me, there's a purpose for this. At this moment, I'd like you to start from the beginning the way you did with me, and eventually I want to work our way to some of the more, what you might call, top secret disclosures that happen later on. Some of the experiences you're going to be relating at this time may not be considered quite as risque or damaging to the US military as might otherwise have been perceived back in those days. Back in those days, you had a very special clearance, and so I would like you to talk as much about that clearance in setting up, you know, setting the stage for the story as possible. Okay. So in June of '91, I joined the US Navy, and I was less than a year into my Navy experience in training in Fire Controlman A school when I was approached to take part in a special team. At the time, I wasn't really told that much about it other than it was secret. But from my background and my family involvement in the military, I was excited to take the opportunity. Shortly after that, I was reassigned to San Diego, California, and was assigned to a ship that was being built. That gave me a lot of time to go to schools, which comes in handy at this point because very quickly after that, I was taken to this special training school and found out the details, the details of which were the basic sense is that I would be controlling Tomahawk cruise missiles and using specialized equipment that nobody really knew about in order to fly those missiles from when they come over the horizon to line of sight of the target and to drive the missile directly into the target and be able to verify prior to the targeting of any kind of building or designation that it is the target that we are looking for. Then it is approached, and the Tomahawk missiles are used against it effectively, and then we also do bomb damage assessment after that. Okay. But the reason you got involved in all of this is because the Americans found, was it during the first Iraq war, that their Tomahawk missiles were going off target? There was a problem with Tomahawk missiles in the first Persian Gulf War. If anybody can remember the baby food factory incident, when buildings tend to look alike, they have trouble. The Tomahawk missiles have trouble telling which one's which. The problem that they had, or that they found they had, was that it made the missiles only about 70% accurate, and that was a big problem because we ended up blowing up buildings that the Iraqis would then put on the TV and say they're blowing up baby food factories, and that tended to negatively affect us on the news. So we had to come up with a solution to that problem. Okay. So they brought you, or people like you, on board. Can you explain why you were selected? The primary reason I was selected was, A, because of my background. I came from a military family, and B, because of my qualifying scores during training. I found out later that they selected the people who knew absolutely everything about everything and were very good at taking tests and very good at solving problems, which is what it eventually came down to. It was after that that I found out that I not only scored very high on the test, I got a perfect score on the test, which is one of the main reasons I was approached and the others in my group were approached. Okay. So what kind of a test was it though? Does it test your intelligence? Does it test your, I don't know, is there a physical test as well? The test, the original test, was the ASVAB test, and that is just a standard military test that tests many aspects of how intelligent you are, how you process problem solving, how you approach different situations, and ultimately how much knowledge you have on many, many diverse subjects. When it comes down to it, it's an overblown IQ test and relates mostly to your cognitive reasoning skills. All right. And was there a physical test as well? No, physical testing wasn't necessary for this project. Intelligence was more important. They later proved that the physical portion, they could fix. Making somebody smarter is very difficult to do. Okay. Right here, I know that this is kind of going way ahead, but at a certain point you were trained and selected. Also, you found out later because of your psychic ability, is that right? I guess the proper term...

Military uh some of this testimony may be considered to be in violation of of his National Security oath but we are going to be uh trying to stay within the parameters of that and he is going to first of

all speak on the subject of a disclaimer in regard to a project that he is using this for on a personal level hi um I just want to disclose to everybody that I am writing a fictional book about uh this interview and the

things that I discuss in this interview and uh the reason for this interview is uh for purposes of marketing that book and that book of course is fictional okay great and so at this point we are going to start in the

beginning and I'd like you to talk about why you came and contacted me and what group or groups you in a certain sense represent if you want to use it sort of loosely in that term okay um basically I

don't really have any group that I represent however there are many many people uh both former and uh current military that uh have a huge amount of concern over what the members of the military know to be uh what's really

going on in the Middle East and uh places that we are occupying currently outside of this country uh those concerns have grown more and more uh throughout the years and it's to the uh point where a lot of these current and

former military members speak uh the best description uh of these military members would be oathkeepers and an oathkeeper is somebody who basically focuses primarily on the oath that they took when they join the service and not so much

uh what they're ordered to be uh keep secret or to tell is secret as opposed to what is in the best interest of the constitution in the country okay uh let's let's say also that that there's a purpose behind this that has

to do with the uh NDA the the uh main purpose for this interview was the enactment of the National Defense authorization act um the individuals that uh I speak with on a regular basis uh have grown a consensus that this is uh

the end of the erosion of our constitutional rights and it pretty clearly spells out in a lot of paperwork that uh America has been declared a war zone and American citizens are subject to arrest and detainment outside of the

Constitutional protections of um trial by jury uh the right to an attorney the uh right to being charged with a crime even is Stripped Away in that bill uh I don't believe most of the American public has been properly informed via the media so

we're trying to uh get the message out and get some support in the fact that we cannot continue to the allow the progressive erosion of the constitutional rights and expect to have our rights ever be taken seriously at

some point okay so at this point bill when you approached me I really had no idea what this was going to be about and it's uh it it was quite surprising that you had the kind of disclosures that you

have and some of the background that you have so what I'd like to do is go back through your testimony uh because at the time I didn't have a camera and I I do want to say that we're in a public place

here but we are uh we are forced to be in this kind of a public place for a number of reasons that I can't explain on camera U but take it from me this there's a purpose for this and at this moment um what I'd

like you to do is is start from the beginning the way you did with me and eventually uh I want to work our our way to uh sort some of the more what you might call Top Secret disclosures that

happen later on uh some of the experiences you're going to be relating at this time may not be considered quite as uh risque or damaging or to the US military as as might otherwise have been perceived back in those days back in

those days you had a very special clearance and and so I I would like you to talk as as much about that clearance in setting up you know setting the stage for the story as as possible okay so in

June of 91 um I joined the US Navy and uh I was less than a year into uh my Navy experience in training in uh fire controlman a school uh when I was approached to take part in a special

team uh at the time I wasn't really told that much about it other than it was secret um but uh from my background and my uh family involvement in the military I was excited to take the opportunity uh shortly after that I uh

was reassigned to San Diego California uh and was assigned to a ship that was being built so that gave me a lot of time to go to schools which that comes in handy at this point uh because very quickly after that I was uh taken

to this uh special training school uh and found out the details the details of which were uh the basic sense is that I would be uh controlling Tomahawk uh cruise missiles and uh using specialized equipment that nobody really knew about

in order to fly those missiles uh from when they come over the horizon to line of s side of the target uh and to drive the missile directly into the Target and be able to verify prior to the targeting of any

kind of building or designation that it is the Target that we are looking for and then it is it is uh approached and uh the tomahawk missiles are used against it effectively and then we also do bomb damage assessment after

that okay uh but but the reason you got involved in all of this is because uh the Americans found was it during the first Iraq war that their tomahawk missiles were going off Target um there was a problem with tomahawk missiles in

the first Persian Gulf War and if anybody can uh remember the baby food factory incident uh when buildings tend to look alike they uh have trouble the tomahawk missiles have trouble telling which one's which and uh the problem

that they had and or that they found they had was that it made the missiles only about 70% accurate and uh that was a big problem because we ended up blowing up uh buildings that the Iraqis would then put on the TV and say they're

blowing up baby food factories and that tended to negatively affect us on the news so we had to come up with a solution to that problem okay and so they they brought you or and people like you on board can you explain

why you were selected um the primary reason I was selected uh was a because of my background I came from a military family and uh B because of my qualifying scores during training um I found out later that they selected the people who knew

absolutely everything about everything and were very good at uh Tak taking tests and very good at solving problems which is what it eventually came down to uh it was after that that I found out that uh I not only scored very high on

the test I got a perfect score on the test which is one of the main reasons I was approached and the others in my group were approached okay uh so what kind of a test was it though is is it does it test

your intelligence does it test your I don't know phys is there a physical test as well um the test the original test was the asab test and that is just a standard military test that tests uh many aspects of

uh how intelligent you are uh how uh you process problem solving uh how you approach uh different situations and ultimately how much knowledge you have on many many diverse subjects objects uh when it comes down to it it's

a overblown IQ test and relates mostly to your cognitive reasoning skills all right and uh was there a physical test as well um no physical testing wasn't necessary for this project uh intelligence was more important uh they later proved that the

physical portion they could fix the making somebody smarter very difficult to do okay uh right here I know that this is kind of going way ahead but at a certain point you were trained um and and selected also you found out later

because of your your psychic ability is that right uh I guess the proper term would be potential uhhuh um Everybody possesses a certain amount of inherent ability towards uh upper level thinking um it really matters as to how prone they are

to being being able to effectively use it and not let uh lies get in the way okay and and so you were trained in a very special place uh to enhance those skills is that right uh lots of special places but one in

particular that I think people would find Most Fascinating as which is uh one place that I was able to train at in particular that people would be familiar with is Area 51 uh I was able to go there for a

single training course that uh was popularly entitled uh Advanced sigh and uh basically what that class did for us is teach us to use Advanced intuition uh basically bringing out your ability to know things ahead of time predict

things uh delving into reading minds and predicting the future if you want to use plain English to get into and and would you say that you were trained as a remote viewer um certainly that goes into the ballpark or

The Wider spectrum of what we're being trained to do um the the the wide spectrum is to trust and hone and use your intuition effectively enough that you could rely on it in tactical situations to give you more information than your

five senses were giving you okay and you and the other people you work with were a group of nine people is that correct uh we were we were a group of uh more than nine but it was nine people that

operated uh we had officers and Senior enlisted that helped us and a support staff but essentially it was nine people that were trained to do the job yes okay and is that nine people to go into the field yes okay uh and so you went to to

school and that then what happened uh at at what point did you start to be deployed or or what was the traj um in '92 at the end of ' 92 we started to be deployed uh on missions uh the uh a

basic overview of a mission would be to uh get to a Target uh usually by some extraordinary means of jumping out of an airplane or walking further than most people would imagine uh getting within the line of sight of a Target uh setting

up electronic equipment that would allow us to control the cruise missile via line of sight uh wait for the missile to come inbound sink up uh with the bird as it was in Flight uh and then use regular airplane

type controls on the uh box or the targeter um that for what people know today would be essentially flying atom Hawk missile just like uh an operator would flying fly a regular drone aircraft nowadays um in my description I would

say the tomahawk missiles were the first generation of drone aircraft okay so uh did you have to have computer skills special computer skills to to operate something like this we were highly highly trained in uh Advanced Electronics uh Optics uh electromagnetic

devic Motors Synchro servos and also radar and Laser uh energy okay could you repeat that one that last line uh the whole thing okay um we were highly trained in advanced electronics uh we also uh did a special

amount of work with uh Optics with electromagnetic devices Motors servos synchros and uh a lot of uh information about radar and Laser systems okay uh and so far have we violated any kind of a security Earth not yet okay no but I'm just going to

ask you that periodically just so so that we can sort of monitor that situation uh because we don't want to endanger lives any more than necessary here uh you know both of us are are adults and know what we're getting

involved in here so um at that point you must have been deployed to a ship right um we were deployed I was deployed on several ships during my career um but uh on this particular occasion yes I was

deployed to a Arley bur class destroyer okay and where was this based um it was based out of originally San Diego and then later moved to Japan okay and so from from this point you were uh can you describe the team

you work with uh briefly and then then how you were sent out on missions and and where specifically the problems began um originally we were uh deployed to missions throughout the Middle East uh in various countries um the one that

mainly I spent time in was Iraq and uh that area of the Middle East uh to most people's understanding I think everybody thinks that the Gulf War ended shortly after it began in 1991 however uh I do have personal

experiences that would say that uh the level of occupation and the level of violence that the American Military perpetrated uh between 1992 and 2000 would be surprising to most people I believe right so at this point you were deployed

with a team uh on these missions is that right right um basically the the designation that we had was s Seal Team 9 UM now if you do all of your research you find out SE team 9 doesn't exist

that's okay um till recently SE Team 6 also had the same level of uh security and also didn't exist until shortly after we killed Bin Laden and then a couple of months after that a helicopter was uh blown up and

then syum 6 really didn't exist okay and and they didn't actually kill Bin Laden on that uh on that for either based on the information that I had during the time that I was in the military I do not believe Osama Bin

Laden was alive in 2011 when he was reported killed Okay so you were deployed on missions and there were you were a group of three is that right uh yes we were actually three groups of three um we

went out in three- man teams uh basically we were all trained to do each other's jobs but we tended to uh do our individual jobs uh mostly uh we had a team leader who was a first class pedy offer uh uh we also had

another member of our team who attended to concentrate mostly on weapons and uh protecting everybody while I was doing my job mostly and then uh I ended up uh running the equipment most often and flying the tomahawk missiles and the air

surveillance drones that we would use to also cover our butts when we were moving around okay so so you were targeting the missile in other words yes okay um from when I started operating in about 19 92 to about

1995 uh most of the missions that we were performing seemed military targets and above board and worthwhile for the level of effort that we were putting into it although we were not at War although we were not at War um we were

going after viable quote unquote targets or things that at least seemed viable from the outside okay uh but but they were in so in a sense but they I mean I mean if we're not at War for us to be sending a

Tomahawk missile to bomb even an military installation in another country is technically um an act of war is it not it's very much a t it's very much an act of war and completely violates uh un rules and regulations yes okay and so

you were doing this on a regular basis yes as part of a top secret group correct okay um are you able to describe what kind of clearance you had um the level of clearance that I had uh or the

designation for my top level or top secret level clearance would be Indigo and indigo was a level of clearance that anybody that worked with tomahawk missiles got uh that was related to Sil team 9 okay uh so we're having a helicopter

fly over quite low at this moment um not sure why um uh but it's an interesting Dynamic um so we're just going to wait just a brief minute here and see if we can hear it disappear okay so so at this point you're you were

doing targets and you were doing them in what countries um throughout the Middle East uh do you want to name some of those countries uh some of the big ones uh that everybody would recognize uh Saudi Arabia Iraq

Afghanistan uh one or two in Iran uh Yemen Syria uh Libya those those are the ones that people would be most appreciated be termed asymmetrical Warfare um very much so um based on the fact that the level of Industrial

Revolution complex material that we were using against the these countries they had nothing that could counteract it or prevent it okay so let's describe the missile itself uh its range and and its capability and then the idea that I

think you you said that ultimately you were targeting two is that right correct um tomahawk missiles are yeah you like that okay we're having more helicopter flyovers here not sure what we're in a actually a shopping center in malib Malibu I'm not

sure why we would be having some over flyovers here [Music] popular I mean there's plenty of of helicopter activity in the Malibu area but it's usually along the coast just FYI okay sove right along the the capability of the missile itself um how

tomok missiles work um they're normally uh cbase launch missiles uh the primary launch platform was either a Los Angeles class fast attack submarine or an Arley Burke class destroyer um there's certainly other ships in the Navy's Arsenal that can launch those missiles

but that wasn't their primary purpose um once a missile was launched uh from a ship it would go along pre-programmed uh way points until it got close to the Target and then it would use a combination of radar lasers and terrain mapping to uh

snake its way through the land masses until it got uh Within in the line of sight of a Target uh the official version of what a Tomahawk missile would do at that point was compare a picture of the target to a

picture that it has in its database and designate itself upon that Target and uh based on what was inputed up to it shortly before it was launched um at that point uh we could uh interrupt the flight path of the missile by sinking to

it with a special piece of equipment okay I'm sorry we have a a helicopter again flying very low over this building um I mean if this continues we'll probably have to move on to some other location that's fine um

I can't for the life of me imagine why it keeps going over and over no okay okay um just back up a tiny bit okay uh once the so so you say that that there was an official version of of the

targeting right of how it targets and then there is an unofficial version that you were involved in is that correct correct and um the the way that I got involved in the uh launch of a Tomahawk missile was uh

with a special piece of equipment that we had with us um we could get in between line of sight of the missile and the Target and sink up with the missile and control it remotely from that piece of equipment and basically the only

thing that that does is control it just like everybody would understand how a a drone is controlled by a pilot that's stationed in Las Vegas when the Drone is in the Middle East okay so but you you actually did

seem to go on location correct we had to be on location because back then the only way to exchange information fast enough uh with the missile system would be to be within line of sight of it of the target of the missile and the

Target and the target okay interesting so you did need protection obviously being is somewhere in the vicinity of the target is that correct correct and that's where all that cool Advanced Training came in experts at counter detection and counter surveillance

certainly aided in our cause as well as okay we have another helicopter going this one's different though yeah isn't it not the same one not the same okay so but but at this point we haven't really answered the question as to the

capability of the missile itself um capabilities of the missiles uh could be altered uh quite a bit uh they do have the bom load capacity of 1,000 PBS uh there was generally two types of tomahawk missiles one that would carry

cluster bombs and a main explosive charge and then the other missiles would just carry an explosive charge uh generally I would deal with both kinds of missiles however comma the the uh bomblets or the cluster bombs would have been dropped uh prior to

me ever seeing the missile that would have been done remotely usually by someone else uh by the missile itself on a pre-program path uh cluster bombs usually are anti-personnel or small soft targets um when we were designating targets we were usually going after

buildings okay interesting uh so you also talked about the cost of each missile um that was one of the things that we always questioned uh they were amazingly expensive $1.2 million each and uh okay let's just say that uh the one

classified thing unclassified thing that I can talk about Tom Hawk missiles is to encourage everybody to get online and figure out how many were used between 1992 and 2000 and see if those numbers ring true with the the fact that we

weren't at War okay very good point uh so well let let me ask you that question uh do you have any idea of the numbers um hundreds uh probably pushing into the thousands okay but you were sent out on

missions didn't you say every month so once a month you would be doing a what is in essence a a bombing Mission uh on average and that I'm just one of three teams as well so would you say that all

three teams were sent out at least once a month um though we were highly compartmentalized and I wouldn't know I can reasonably assume that we all did just as many missions yes okay is this the sound of a helicopter

still mhm interesting like covering yes just right there okay um do you feel threatened At All by that um no but it only has to do with what I've been through and not that I don't think your concerns are

unreasonable oh okay okay interesting uh yeah well I guess we're going to wait and see what what happens here we we may actually have to move on um so at this juncture uh what we haven't talked about again is

the amount of damage that could be done by one missile and then explain the notion that you used two after a while and when when it when you started using two um the most important thing to know about tomahawk missiles was the material

that they used for their explosive um it was called death and the easiest way to explain deathx is C4 that you need a lot lot less to cause the same amount of explosion so 500 lb of DX would be the equivalent

of 2,000 lb of C4 okay an explosive and because I don't know anything about this can you give me a radius so if you targeted a building what what radius of damage would happen the shock wave would destroy everything

between 50 and 100 yard of the building okay um loss of life would be almost complete at 100 yards oh almost complete at what uh 100 yards anybody within 100 yards of the bomb would the over pressure is okay and and what about further

further away than that um beyond that is uh the potential for dying from anything uh from weak blood vessels in your brain to debris and that would spread over a much greater distance depending on the target okay and and these installations or

buildings that you were bombing uh even though we were not at war that were in the Middle East um you had intelligence that gave you gave you an a background on why you why that Target was selected is that correct corre correct we always

were given information about the Target and what it was supposed to be and you know how we were supposed to be doing the mission um later on uh after we'd been doing it for several years we tended to question

that information based on the fact that we found that more often than not the information was either kind of wrong all the way up to completely wrong okay so I I just want to make sure that we cover this sort of preliminary until you

go to the blowby blow of what went went on and we are still having uh helicopters in the vicinity in the background what do you think should we uh should we change and go to my house I think if we ever want to get it done we

should change okay this is not going away all right yeah this and I was thinking about that long before you were I'm Carrie Cassidy from project hamelot and I am here with Bill wood and we have had to move from our location where we

were to a more private situation in order to take this testimony because we have been overflown by repeated number of helicopters uh that simply did not want to go to go away right they were there long before the

interview okay and but but they made themselves very very uh prominent during the interview I have to say so and and we will have kept that on this this tape and and I plan to use that part okay but

I'm used to the attention I'm sorry I'm used to the attention oh all right fine uh well I'm not quite used to that degree of attention let's put it that way for me this this was something of an unusual

situation but at this moment what I'd like to do is just just maybe summarize what we've talked about before because in case we do have any issues um having helicopters fly over is fine it's a problem of course uh but if they're

shooting an electronic pulse at the camera simultaneously then the footage that we've already shot could have been affected and uh what we have talked about has been excellent so far um what I'd like to do is recap it okay sort of

in a short amount of time as you can uh and and what we're covering here is you know the team you were that you were part of the part of the service the special training and the capability of

the tomahawk okay um basically uh my military career was such that uh I was in the uh United States uh Navy from June of 199 91 until June of 2001 um in that time I served in a special unit called Seal Team 9 um we

were trained uh primarily to use us as an asset to control and handle tomahawk missiles uh cruise missiles that were used inside the Persian Gulf region in the Middle East uh throughout the time frame 1992 to 2000 to my knowledge um

and uh those missiles were used in a capacity uh similar to what people would understand how drones are used today uh both as uh intelligence gathering uh but obviously the end game with tomahawk missiles was to blow something up at the

end of the flight um so that's what we would do uh over a security link uh we would uh get the equipment ready uh wait for the Tomahawk missile to come inbound uh sink up with the missile and then uh control it through

its uh terminal phase of flight uh and then after detonation we would do bomb damage assessment and then get out of the area quiet as GES um Tomahawk cruise missiles are uh usually sea launched um so from that point on you you're in 1995

and you're still being called out when you're not doing these assignments these these uh once a month assignments you are on the ship doing other jobs yeah um we were perfectly capable of fixing regular radar weapons equipment and uh

weapons platforms um I worked on one very specifically called close-in weapons system I also worked with the Harpoon weapon system the 5-in gun weapon system and the AIS weapon system so on an early bird class destroyer I was qualified to

take care of a lot of equipment which came in handy okay uh and and so you were and I guess you did you enlist yes okay so this was a choice yes there was uh no uh no draft at that point uh everybody that

was in the military was there of their free choosing okay and I I know this is slightly a degression but you chose the military why um I come from a military family uh my uncle was a command master

chief uh in the Navy and uh retired after 30 years um I believe he made it up as high as the somewhere between the third and the fifth highest ranking enlisted person in the Navy well he was there

um and when I was very young I got to ride on the USS Missouri when it was recommissioned and uh was pretty addicted after that okay um that being a ship yes it was one of the eight battleships that

were recommissioned shortly before the Gul the first School four okay and did you have other members of the family that were also in the military or just your uncle um my brother was in the military the US Navy

at the same time I was and a cousin uh my uncle's son was in the Navy also at the same time that I was but not your father not my father no okay um okay well from this point on 1995 you start

noticing there's a change in targets I mean do you really think there was a change or do you think your perception for some reason changeed um no there was definitely a change um when you couple the uh seemingly

insignificant uh aspects of the targets and evolve that with uh the amount of Overkill that we were using when we would use these small buildings as targets um it would be what I would term as massive amount of

Overkill and it was when that started happening that we began to ask questions about is the intelligence correct are we getting the right information um why are we going after these you know tiny targets with massive amounts of ordinance okay and in in many

cases uh it sounds like you didn't work in cities as I I think we talked about you seem to be on the fringes in the country and what you're talking about are small small really small villages small villages uh out of the way

places um in that part of the world that's how uh most of the rural population lives um large cities um tend to be you know relatively obscure in any part of the country except for maybe the capital okay so at this point uh it's

1995 what happens to is there any incident then in that specifically happens um it progresses up to April of 97 um when we were out on a mission and uh like I was telling you about the uh dual tomahawk missiles um normally it

wasn't a big deal they would come in right behind each other it would be boom boom Bo and uh there wouldn't be many issues uh but in April of 97 I had an incident where um the second missile came in 5 minutes

late and uh I was faced with the prospect of hundreds of people uh pouring through the debris of the first Tomahawk missile um being right on top of where the second Tomahawk missile was going to be designated it would have

killed hundreds of innocent rescue workers if I designate redesignated that Target five minutes later um I had an aspect of conscious that made it so I chose not to detonate the second missile on top of those rescue workers and uh that was against standing

orders and got me in a lot of trouble okay so but can you describe it in in a little more um fill in the blanks you know uh for the people that are listening because uh this was a

village in Northern Iraq was it not correct um and then uh also describe you know maybe a little bit more blowby blow that incident and and what you did with the missile um when the first detonation went off um

um it uh took out a small two-story building um uh that was kind of set off away from most of the other area uh when the missile did detonate uh a huge number of people uh from the surrounding Village came in to

uh go through the debris and find any survivors and help people that were injured um because there was a large amount of collateral damage in and around the building as well um smaller buildings homes were knocked over or

um torn to torn to bits uh and there was a lot of injured people uh so and what you were saying was that the impulse of of the town's people when any building is targeted is afterwards uh is to rush

in to sort of deal with the with the wounded or handle the situation right and yes and that was normal for my experiences to see people go in after the detonation and do what they could to help the

people that were inside or the people that were hurt outside okay and so at that point what happened um at that point I made the decision not to detonate the tomahawk on its designated Target and I flew it safely off into a

mountain and detonated it there where it didn't hurt anybody okay and what people need to understand is that you were completely in charge of the controls at that point right yes um so it wasn't the other two people that

you're working with that necessarily agreed with that decision this was your own decision this was my own decision vision and uh there was nothing that the other two people could have done to make it happen uh because there was just no time in

between when they realized something was up and then the missile was destroyed instantly after that certainly they realized afterwards what I'd done that it wasn't going to go good when we got home all right and at this point you were in Northern Iraq yes

and how far away from the place of detonation so to speak were you um that time we were probably two miles away uhhuh but you had line of sight is you call it we always tried to get up as high as

possible and extend line of sight as far as we could uh didn't need to get close so so we tried not to okay um and as far as that goes what do you use for line of sight just out of curiosity were you

using some specialized equipment in order to se the target area um the the box as we called it uh would uh use a narrow band microwave frequency that was encrypted to sync up with the missile when it be when it came into line of

sight the reason we would use that type of communication is because it was hard to interrupt or Jam okay but so your visual was good is that what you're saying well we we we would have visual of the Target but I

would also have visual of the target via the camera in the tomahawk so I see I could fly it via the camera oh really so you actually were were riding in a sense riding along with the missile when it

went to it star it yeah wow the the fact that there's cameras in tomahawk missiles was Ultra top secret and then I happened to notice when we were launching tomahawks on Libya uh just last year that they showed the camera

picture from the tomahawk and I just wondered if most people knew how many things they saw on TV that 10 years ago or Ultra top secret yeah well no I think that that's important for people to realize is that

what what's happening right now is that we have an asymmetrical War being conducted just as there it was back then uh the difference I think is that some of these incidents do get reported in the news um we do hear about the US for

example attacking uh in areas of Pakistan areas of uh Syria from what I understand um periodically right um yes and a lot of that information doesn't come from journalists or news reporters it comes from assets that I would say are doing what they can

to fight for the country even though they work from the military okay okay uh to trying to get the word out as to what our our government is actually up to I believe the proper term is whistleblowers okay um he or as do they

say whatever um so what uh happened okay so this happened and then what happened when you returned or or what how what what was the TR nothing per se happened when I returned um but a month after that incident uh I found myself facing

uh General Court marshal for unrelated charges okay so you literally went back to B Cas and there was no repercussions no one one said what did you do with the other missile why did you fly it off Target Happ oh during debrief I mean

there was some very upset people and why did you do and many many many conversations with many different people about saying exactly what I said to the person before them but uh I was adamant that uh it was a

mission gone bad and I wasn't going to kill a whole bunch of rescue workers and I thought it was left at that so you continued to be called on assignments uh after that right you and your team um I

didn't go on another mission before I I was facing Court Marshal no and what was the period of time between those two things it was a month or less oh so you immediately were it's pretty much I mean

one month of downtime and then you were called into court Marshal okay and that was for what um that was for what they said was uh child rape which um it definitely was not true okay so basically you're Based On A

Boat uh you know ship uh from 1992 until this time which was 97 um yes I was based on a ship but realized we weren't always on the ship and we weren't always in the Persian Gulf okay um so were was this on on leave an

incident that happened when you were on leave this was an incident that happened two years earlier uh when we were back in Home Port in San Diego okay and and just to to summarize that quickly uh the the situation was what um the situation

what actually happened was uh I found myself uh in a situation where I was uh having consensual sex with a 16-year-old girl when I was 25 years old uh not what they characterized it in my court Marshal ass okay so she was 16 but

you thought but even that was underage or I don't even know what the laws are well at the the laws in California at the time were that 16s and 16 and 17 year olds uh could consent uh that law has since changed now it's a

misdemeanor for 16 and 17 year olds to have sex with people over the age of 18 um which is why I didn't get charged in the civilian Community I was charged you a court Marshal okay so so they went back two

years prior and charged you and did you know why like I mean you basically put two and two together and figured that they were targeting you somehow um can you describe what the rationale is on the part of the military

and how they you you explained how to how they kind of have something on each person um well the rationale is obvious uh if the military has something that they can use against you which in my particular case was obvious they

can not only use the situation but blow it completely out of proportion and and in the military justice system there is no real recourse to being able to prove yourself innocent of charges uh more typically you're found guilty uh long before you ever make it

into your court Marshal um you don't have the right of a jury of your peers uh your jury consists of uh military person personel that are senior to you in rank and that have an overwhelming desire to protect

their career over what they decide in your cart Marshall so in other words they're they're they're sort of conditioned to find you guilty regardless because that works in their favor absolutely because if you go into a room being told by

somebody that's in authority over you that person is guilty it's nearly impossible to be an impartial juror at that point I think uh Bradley Manning could tell us all about that okay yeah no that's pertinent actually okay so at

this point you've you've actually you know gone against orders um they decided they want to pull you back into into rank or whatever you call that Rank and file so what did what did um happen then um shortly after I was charged uh I was

contacted uh by uh my Sil team uh lead officer uh who was a lieutenant and he gave me the option of rolling the dice and facing my court marshall and pretty much guaranteeing that I would spend 11 years in lenworth Kansas or I could take

a slap on the wrist plead guilty to something completely innocuous and go back to work and do my job as a good sailor would and blow up targets with tomahawk missiles and not say anything about it to anybody that's what I chose to do and

you also suggested that they sort of had something on your on the other members of your team as well I believe they had something on every member of our team because uh we all had at least one skeleton that we all knew about so it

was definitely something that would make it so they could pick and choose and destroy the life and career of any member of our team and easily get away with it okay if if for for some reason one of them decided not to follow orders

or be insubordinate in some correct F or yeah something similar to what I did okay all right so when when you did what you did did you have the sympathy um assuming that everyone found out about it did you have the sympathy not only of

the people you know the two on your team but other team members or was there uh you know did were they not sympathetic yes and no um really the only two people that had all the information were the

two people that were on my team um we were fairly well compartmentalized uh from each other uh the other the other members of the other two teams got the uh the military's version of the story long before they

ever heard mine um so when you're given the military version and the guy you knows version it's very conflicting and I'm sure most people saw it for exactly what it was but at the same time didn't want to believe anything but the

military version because they don't want to think about uh the reality if mys version was the true version okay because what your version in essence said was that not only was two Tomahawk Miss uh missiles Overkill uh to begin with but that on

top of it the these were soft targets and that that targets in it in and of themselves were suspicious right correct and basically hammering me like let everybody else know in the group that all the complaining and all

of the trying to you know bring out the reality of what was happening was not appreciated and it didn't matter uh it made every member of the team feel like they ultimately had a gun to their head and Free Will wasn't an

option just do your job don't think so what what happened at this point you accepted the deal and then what happened um I accepted the deal I pled guilty to a charge of unlawful carnal knowledge of a minor I swear very Van Halen

but okay and uh went back to work under the guys that I was in jail uh everybody that I was related to or that was involved in the court Marshal was told that I plad guilty and went to jail what actually happened was

I pled guilty got on an airplane and proceeded to spend the next year three years in the Persian Gulf doing my job okay interesting so so you're saying the civilian world is is that what you're talking about yes the civilian

World heard you you you were charged with this and plad guilty MH okay so so then you went back to work and you were you were basically um and and and so so so then at that point what happened I

mean you started continue to Target soft targets at that point it was fairly obvious that we were the team that would get the hardest targets not uh militarily hard but the hardest to blow up meaning meaning the softest the

softest targets the one that were most obviously not military assets not worth the amount of explosives that we were using um at that point the targets became plainly obvious that it was a Terrace based Mission and the reasons

that we used the missiles and the explosives and where we targeted was to scare people and not to blow things up okay but you did blow things up yeah um but it was not the the destruction wasn't the main

mission the main mission was to scare the people that survived and get them talking and uh was it to turn them I I I I guess I'm kind of it's it's interesting because it at that point they have like

a captive uh audience so to speak in the in in you guys such that they can do whatever they want with you and you can't complain you can't object because you're sort of under a certain level of coercion to be quiet right and do your

job regardless of what they ask you to do so they can really sort of run you all over the countries doing whatever they want um but how does how does this sort of uh sort of state sponsored terrorism

as it were MH facilitate an agenda do you do you know like how it links up I can see it more properly in hindsight now um but it's very easy to understand um what we were doing was creating the

problem um when enough people are left behind with with enough dead and uh injured relatives that strapping a bomb on themselves and uh you know doing a suicide mission seems very reasonable after you've been after you after your mother your father your wife

your sisters your brothers your sons your daughters are killed in a Tomahawk missile attack which they knew would be an American uh attack right they they knew better than anybody that they were American missile attacks um okay they most Iraqis were

well aware of tomahawk missiles what they did how they did it and more importantly how many people they killed okay it was a big deal to them they didn't like that terrorism so so in a sense uh it was homegrown terrorism being bred

out of these incidents uh that the US was actually creating the problem as you as you rightly said correct um that also coupled with our occupation of bases in Saudi Arabia um plenty of people in Saudi Arabia were

very very unhappy about us being there long after the first go for this is 1997 you've been called back on duty mhm and and you said for the next 3 years you're given targets that are highly suspicious and basically we are creating

uh terrorists that will sort of facilitate the so so-called war on terror by actually Mater you know manifesting that ourselves um correct I can unequivocally um say that the targets that we were given and the way we were used uh was solely

for the purpose of creating massive amounts of fear in the general public of Northern Iraq and uh rumors and stories of which filtered all throughout the Middle East um definitely in 1998 I would say that the average Middle Eastern person knew

for sure that the the US military was targeting civilians uh under the guise of combating terrorism at that point your uh sort of mental state must not have been great right um no uh I was uh very distant and

dark uh I was only able to deal with the fact that I had to do what I did uh because I knew that the consequences would uh just put me in jail would you say that that was true of the other team members as

well or um certainly everybody was well aware of my situation after that and my situation coupled with uh the targets and the evolution of what we were doing as far as Warfare was plainly obvious to everybody that was performing missions

okay okay uh so so what happened then at that point basically we continued on and continued on to uh go after these soft targets and do our jobs and not really say anything um that uh climaxed in December of

2000 uh for me and my group uh during the time that we operated in Northern Iraq uh we found uh certain groups of uh indigenous population that we would consider assets and uh would use on a semi-regular basis to accomplish our

missions uh in turn we would help the indigenous people of the villages uh with food water ammunition protection intelligence uh give them what we could uh to pay them back for the kindness that they offered us when we needed help

okay and and these individuals or The Villages where you were finding uh shelters so to speak were they among Kurds or among Shiites um Kurds and Shiites um Sunni sect uh wouldn't help us all right but uh the the Shiites and the and the Kurds

um they were more than happy to try and do something positive for their country to try and help the US military So eventually the dictatorship that uh existed in the country would eventually fall and they would have democracy and

freedom that's what they believed that's what that's the rationale that they were sold so to speak um yeah I mean it wasn't a propaganda uh it was more of a choice between the lesser of two evils I guess

is the easiest way to say it so okay so this went on until 2000 and then what happened um in December of 2000 uh we came back to a village that uh we were using uh as an asset and on the mission

before this one we had got gotten intelligence from the uh Village Elder that uh described uh an imminent attack on us soil that involved Pilots um did not understand what the information meant but we took it back to

base and reported it um and didn't think much of it uh later very soon after that we went on another mission uh came back to the village and discovered that the village was destroyed in a Tomahawk missile attack um at that point we

were psychologically broken as to how we were being used in the obviousness of that Village being destroyed there was uh no military significance whatsoever um in destroying the village uh there was probably 30 35 people and uh no permanent structures other

than three and initially and before it was destroyed U these people lived very simple lives they were very nomadic and detached and there would be no reason whatsoever to bomb that particular Target unless the information that we obtained was sign

but you didn't bomb them no it was another one it was another team that uh knew of the village but when they destroyed the village they didn't know who they were bombing they were told lies okay so and this is in theory one

of the teams that of the nine it was one of the other teams in till team 9 and I know which team it was um when we got back home from the mission and I actually got into a violent altercation

with uh the person on that team that does the job that I do for my team and uh it sent shock waves through uh The Nines It really fractured things and tore us apart uh in my estimation it was probably

either the end of the end or the beginning of the end of the Seal team 9 program and its Mission um certainly at that time we were seeing the evolution of drones come online and more and more often we were

being assigned drones as assets so we were aware of them and their capabilities uh on missions and shortly after that uh drones became weapons-based platforms and they started using the much more Humane Hellfire missile to accomplish the goals that we were

accomplishing with Tomahawk missile attacks when you say much more Humane are you are you joking uh tongue and cheek uh Hellfire missile has a 25 lb Warhead Tomahawk missile has 250 lb Warhead um yes a drone can minimize collateral

damage however comma we are where we are today and we know that there's lots of collateral damage with drone based missile attacks okay um yeah I I didn't even realize that drones were milit you know um equipped to I thought they were

simply surveillance most people don't not not one of those well advertised things that our media keeps us up on right okay so so at this point you uh you basically had what you call an altercation with the individual who

bombed this this group of of people who had been giving you guys shelter who in a sense it was almost like I I don't know if you you know it's like a a shelter or home a home base for you guys

this this small village right so it's Village the village is destroyed it it it wasn't home base it was it was an asset that we used in a military sense but at the same time we developed in emotional connection to the

people of the village we knew who they were we knew what they were about we knew the basicness of their living and how they went about and destroying that Village and killing all those people was unnecessary and sad

okay so at this point what happened in within your sort of once when you attacked the person did you almost kill them um yeah I got into a fight with him uh did go overboard and the physical violence was enough to put him in the

hospital and threaten his life um pretty sure the only reason I was able to do that level of damage is because uh that person didn't fight back um certainly were evenly matched as far as hand toand weapons combat at

any other given time the fact that I almost killed him doesn't seem possible unless he felt guilty and just didn't fight back okay so at that point what happened um at that point uh it was pretty obvious to the powers of the be that I

was never going to be able to be used used in the capacity that I was being used anymore I was never going to be able to designate missile attacks and kill people um so I was taken uh out of service and put in a

psychological Hospital uh for 6 months um I spent most of my time in a drug induced Haze sloma uh experiencing wild hallucinations uh paranoia and uh treatment programs that focused my mind solely on fear and distorted reality and believing in a bunch of things that

were only manifesting themselves because of the drug the hallucinogens the psychotropics um so they were basically messing with you at that point through uh would you call it mind control techniques uh I would more correctly characteriz characterize it as mind

destruction or psychological destruction um stripping me with from all reality as far as you know up and down left right uh uh perception became something that was very fluid and could be influenced very easily okay so and this went on for

six months did you say six months um towards the end of the six months um the drug stopped I came out of my uh Cloud I guess is the best way to put it and was told that uh I was being

released from the military um and that everything was going to be fine and that uh they just made the decision that I uh my 10-year Mark which was when I was supposed to get out of the military I was pretty happy about that I

especially after the six months of what I would easily classify as torture I would have done anything to get out of that I I understand uh would you say though that and you alluded to this off camera um The Coincidence is is a bit um

sort of mindbending if you will that you actually got out on your supposed planned release date cor had none of these other altercations etc etc happened along the way um according to my court Marshal I should have spent 11

years in prison um according to paperwork that I have I spent exactly 3 years in one month in prison and got out at exactly the time I would have gotten out if I would have otherwise been distr so the

two questions I would ask is do we normally let people out eight years early and do we normally pay them while they're in prison I don't think those would be easy questions for anybody to answer inside the military

right now and I've proven that since I've gotten out I you know there's so many Avenues we could go down and I I did ask you to watch the the video of Duncan oini and which you weren't familiar with prior to our no didn't

know he even existed prior to you mentioning that okay and um and and do you want to say your reaction to seeing that um my reaction would be mostly uh based on my perspective and what I know and uh in a word the the things that I

heard and the information that he gave were eerily similar to many many aspects of my training um it was quite spooky the things that he went through and the things that but I went through how strangely they coincided and I understand completely

why you would bring it up because they are for all intents and purposes parallel paths that we both experienced on some level at this point you got out of the military what happened then um I got out uh in June of 01 um I went back home to

Salt Lake City Utah and got a construction job and was going to be completely content putting all of my military pass behind me and moving on with my life um on September 11th however that thought process got majorly

interrupted uh when the Twin Towers were attacked the Pentagon and another flight was hijacked um it was at that point based on my experience that I looked at the events of 9/11 and Drew much much different conclusions about the wise and wherefores of the

event and some major major problems with the popular story um based on what happened um certainly if you're the guy that for eight years drove planes into buildings you might see the correlation between somebody coming back and doing

it to us when you're saying drove planes IND you're you're actually referring to the Tomahawk missile as a kind of a plane um Tomahawk missile flies like an airplane it acts like an airplane um it can be controlled with normal airplane

controls um it has wings it has Tail Fins it has a Rudder it has a jet engine um it sounds like a jet it would be hard based on the fact that they fly very low to the ground and

they fly very fast to get a good look at it enough to be able to tell it from typical Airline plane to a Tomahawk missile um certainly all anybody would get is a glimpse okay and basically you also

talked about the you know because they said there was a missile that hit the Pentagon that it wasn't a plane um and you actually have some some very good evidence in a sense uh to to substantiate that that was much more

likely to be a Tomahawk missile correct um um the best information out there in my opinion um is a documentary called Boose change um it tells out all the information in much much greater detail than I can express it uh but the the the

one important thing that I noticed um was the turn that The Airliner supposedly made uh before it actually hit the Pentagon um that turn uh would be almost impossible to make with a 757 um if you want to fire up your flight

simulator and buy all the controls that airplanes have and try to do it on a flight simulator I think you would find that you crash the plane every time um however that turn was something that I had seen many many many

times uh when I use that turn to overfly a Target come around and hit it again in after I marked on top and verified that that indeed was the actual Target with the inboard camera in the missile um also where an airliner wings are

particularly susceptible to damage and knocking over five light poles would be an issue when you were trying to control the aircraft low and slow like they were uh tomahawk missiles wings are reinforced and aren't filled with fuel and very very hardened surfaces that

make it so if the missiles ever attacked it would still fly into its Target um certainly it could knock over five light pulse and not even blink before it hit the Pentagon um the other Eerie part about the whole

situation is that it hit the Pentagon at the one area of the Pentagon that had just received uh a reinforcement or an upgrade that made it the most reinforced part of the building the part of the building that

would be damaged least by an attack uh couple that with the fact that there wasn't any jet fuel blowing it up and that the wingspan of an airplane driving into that building doesn't match a 757 you model a Tomahawk missile and its

flight path and payload and wingspan and all the other technicalities of it and I think you would find that the estimated damage of what that attack would cause to the Pentagon at that particular area would fit very very nicely with the

actual damage okay that happened to the Pentagon in that particular area and the fact that they had evacuated um or at least that a lot of people were not there and that didn't you also allude to the fact that it appeared that there was

evidence that Cheney had been waiting for the um building in the documentary Loose Change uh it does have some pretty damning evidence that uh the vice president was well aware of the attack um then again you could look at

the reaction of President Bush at the time that he was notified and realized assum that somebody knew something ahead of time well his reaction would be stereotypical of that in my mind what you also alluded to was the idea that

you weren't the only one who or your your group your Seal Team W weren't the only ones that received advanced warning of 911 uh during the time prior to that is that right no I I would say most government

agencies received some notification or some warning of the attack ahead of time um certainly there's more than enough actual evidence out there today that's as easy as getting on YouTube and doing a search to find after that uh I

spent a a lot of time and effort going back and connecting a bunch of little pieces of information that if somebody was doing their job back then could have easily determined exactly what was going to happen and prevented it okay meaning you went back

and looked at uh intelligence that had come in over the years or uh um not over the years but over the weeks and months prior to 911 okay um so at that point you're in a situation where you you have actually

been sort of as you call Flying these planes into buildings using tomahawk missiles um 9911 happens you suddenly in a sense that's like a wakeup call I would imagine it was a huge wakeup call because now I knew

what the incident involving Pilots was all about and if I knew about it who else knew who else should have known lots and lots of questions came into my mind very quickly um and also watching the demolition of building 1 2 and

7 um based on the fact that I've seen a lot of buildings blown up and I've seen a lot of buildings demolition on purpose most Americans haven't seen a lot of buildings blown up they've just seen a lot of buildings demolition on

purpose and really can't separate the two when they see a building being demolished and here it's being blown up they mesh those two together and just assume that that's what they saw um if you know anything about the

physics of explosives and actually blowing buildings up um very rarely no matter how much ordinance you use on does it fall down completely even tiny buildings um but what I saw on that day was buildings falling down as if they

had no structural support anywhere throughout the building in other words a demolition the only way that can happen is if all of the support throughout the building is removed specifically on time and on purpose um certainly if Tower one and two fell

down the way from the destruction that they said that it fell down from um the top of the building would fall down and then it would slow down because it was meeting the resistance of the structure below it that never occurred it fell

straight through the building all the way to the ground with very little in the way to stop it um again any demolitions expert could tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's absolutely impossible um you couple that with the

information that when the Twin Towers were built that they were built to withstand a 707 attack and they were engineered specifically for that possibility and you know that 707 and a 757 aren't that far apart in dimensions fuel

payload um fuel to weight ratio actual weight pretty much all the same thing um prior to 911 all of the information says that uh attacking either of those buildings with an airliner and driving it into the building couldn't knock it

down okay and certainly it wouldn't knock down the building next to it okay um so at this point you know because this is not really I mean 911 plays in but but this story goes on beyond that so at this point what

happens in your life what goes on um at at at the time of 9/11 I had just gotten out of 3 months removed from the worst nightmare I could ever imagine in my life uh I was not anxious to go back

to that um um so I kept my head down and I didn't say anything and I wasn't about to tell people what I knew um things had to evolve more and more out of control and eventually they did um to the point where you know I was

hearing that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction which I knew couldn't be possible based on the fact that we had blown everything up that could even be remotely classified as a weapon of mass destruction uh the country was not

capable of sustaining a weapons of mass destruction program based on the amount of Devastation that we had been pouring on it for the past decade and so I knew something was up after that um the enactment of the Patriot Act

further solidified my problem solution believes on what happened with 911 Ergo we created a problem and then we given the solution and we never really questioned that solution never were really told that yeah but they attacked us because we had been

attacking them for the past decade um okay well the the understanding though is that they actually didn't attack us that that this was an inside job um on top of all of that so certainly if a Tomahawk missile hit the Pentagon I do

have some questions about what happened to the airliner that was supposed to have the Pentagon and also the one that crashed in Pennsylvania right supposedly doesn't look to me like the crater of a full Siz airliner looks something more akin to

what it would look like if I popped a cruise missile over did nimbl and turn and drove it straight into the ground okay if you know those little wing marks that uh everybody sees in the middle of that bomb crer don't have any

charring around them and if those were the wing marks of an airline those wings would have been full of fuel they would have had engines on them and they definitely would have burnt uh I think it's pretty obvious

when you look at the TV footage of the wreckage around those two sites the wreckage was mangled bent but not burned at this point you you've had a wakeup call and what happens in your life because you also talked about a

certain degree of surveillance that you didn't just walk away from the military at some point you you were you were under the purview of the DIA is that correct yeah um everybody that possesses a level of clearance um Above Top

Secret uh is watched and monitored long after they lose access to that level of clearance um certainly a secret is still a secret even if you don't let the person that knows the secrets know any more secrets so um no matter what they did I

possessed a huge amount of information that the population in large needed to be kept secret from um so yes I you get used to a regular amount of surveillance a regular amount of interference uh regular Communications with mysterious people that come up to

you and just start talking they you've never met before but they seem to know everything about you and uh that was what I experienced between 2001 and 2007 is so at this point you have have been spending the from 2001 when you had

sort of a wakeup call what did you do did you just continue to do jobs or um I continued to do jobs uh I ended up going to college and getting my degre degree in electrical engineering um I worked for Fairly large

medical laser company and then shortly after that started my own business okay and the business was what uh repair and maintenance of medical laser equipment and medical Light Equipment I mean you didn't address this thing where you uh actually are

registered and a registered offender um yeah that was part of the monitoring program that worked out very effectively um when I was discharged from the military what they didn't tell me is that uh I was not going to be

given a choice I was going to be forced to register as a sex offender um and I basically had to either sign paperwork that said I would agree to that or face my criminal sentence and go for another eight years in

lenworth once again I made the obvious choice and got out of the military and decided that the registration program wouldn't be nearly as big a deal as going to jail okay so so they registered you in I don't know is this uh was this known

neighborhood I I don't know anything about um the registration program when it started out um was fairly innocuous um rather uh the the worst part of it was having your picture splashed online with a bunch of other people

who probably had more inclination to going after children than I did over time um the buildup of what I was seeing and what I was experiencing and what I knew from my previous military experience um in what I learned

since getting out of the military it began to build and build and build and build until it eventually got to the point where even I couldn't take it anymore and and uh at that point I began you know

looking up information on the internet uh doing research uh information gathering kind of quote unquote building my case um shortly after I began doing that I was contacted by a group of people um that were also doing the exact

same thing and were much more aware of who I was was and what my experience in the military was um on a top secret level was very surprised by that um but I learned very quickly that there's people out there with a huge

amount of information that are fighting for the good guys okay so in essence you were contacted by a group of what we call White hats white hats um I call them oath ERS um but essentially uh they are the Patriots

that our government would classify as terrorists okay but they are exmilitary by and large and some of them are still in the military I would assume a large number are still in the military or the government in the FBI Secret Service CIA

anybody any alphabet agency there's got to be a percentage of people that are seeing the dayto day and going this is wrong we got to do something so they contacted you yes and um over the course of a few months I was

vetted and if you don't know the meaning of the word that is a cute term for saying how much you could be trusted and how much you would lie and uh what you didn't want to talk about about when you figure out that the

people on the other side of the vetting process already know all that and they're just trying to figure you out and see if all that's true if you respond exactly the way that you are portrayed in their minds it's very

encouraging and you know they knew my deepest darkest secrets and they knew even more than that and when I came out with the information I did I kind of graduated and got a trusted role in a very compartmentalized

World okay uh but at the same time there was some kind of incident wasn't there with uh the DIA in which you you started to refuse to be um dealt with the way they wanted you to be dealt with right

shortly after I decided that I was going to do what it took uh to see my part of Justice being brought into the Limelight into popular knowledge of the world um I also told uh the DIA handlers that uh visited me shortly after that

incident that they could uh not bother talking to me anymore because I wasn't going to be handled by the government and I was going to be a problem and I was going to be a loose end and I was going to be somebody that

they had to worry about okay and then what happened to your livelihood in terms of uh your business uh over the course of two years um my business was destroyed my clients were all mysteriously notified of my sex offender

status uh many of my neighbors were visited by the police and had information brought to light uh to scare them uh unfortunately didn't know that my next door neighbor was my best friend and I helped him get the

house so that's how I know this all happened um but basically uh it got to the point where I was being followed by the police um Las Vegas Metro Police Department when I was living in Las Vegas at the time uh being

pulled over uh ticketed arrested and uh more or less harassed both me and my fiance on a ongoing basis um it reached a climax in uh April of last year uh when the final straw where they set up a massive amount of traffic

enforcement uh uh for no particular reason whatsoever that they can explain uh and uh pulled me over that day on the way to a competition uh a bodybuilding competition uh that I was going to be going to with my fiance and it was uh

the only way that uh they would have any idea of where I would be and when I would be there and so they use that to their advantage um have had several incidents similar to that happen but uh

managed to slip through their little Nets every time since then and fairly confident that I will continue to do that until such time as I have the opportunity to make it so that can't be used against music a

weapon anymore and this video should be big part of that so you're working with this group and and one of the reasons you came to me was actually because of this uh defense uh authorization act yes um that um sent shock waves through the

community that I'm involved in uh basically basically that is the final straw of the complete erosion of constitutional rights um it literally has government giving itself permission to violate the rest of the Constitution and uh that has a lot of

people concerned and a lot of people would like to see something done about that [Music] and it's my opinion and their opinion that something could be done about that um because quite honestly we are a false flag away

from enacting all of that legislation that's just been created right I would agree with you on that one disaster away from lock up everybody who we say is a terrorist and nobody will question who's a terrorist right so so you and and this

group are basically in a sense coming to Camelot to to get a hearing for for you specifically in relation to some of the things that that have happened to you right but at the same time to to bring

uh notice to the public that this defense authorization act uh is going to be a huge well it is a violation of every constitutional right out there but that it pushes the envelope to such a degree that it must be deal dealt with

and uh you're suggesting certain strides be taken right uh yes um it's a very simple process if you understand how the problem solution effect works um in order to create the problem uh you can't have everybody know about it you can't

have everybody talking about it you can't have everybody saying well yeah now we're just waiting for the next false flag uh if that's if that information is too widely known and too widely held uh the next false flag would blow

up in their face and cause a shift in public Consciousness to say no this is just our government messing with us as opposed to panicking us into a blind fear right so well will then allow them to go to war in a in a full-fledged War

instead of this uh you know this sort of sporadic war that they're conducting right correct um and you know um the popular belief is there's an very very easy way to prevent that from happening and to get that

information out to the public it has been surmised that uh if we bring that to the level that it's at if we address the issue directly um via our constitutional rights and begin to notify the public in general that this

is a problem and that it needs to be dealt with and the way that's been proposed to me and to a lot of people is to create a petition that calls for the impeachment of every political person in

Congress and the presidency that enacted this legislation as treasonous um because it is treason to attempt to alter the Constitution through an unconstitutional means if you create a law that circumvents the constitution you commit treason fair enough uh we we haven't

actually talked about your special training no and and why it is that that you do have some parallels with Duncan opiniion and um so having having talked about the the sort of Defense authorization act at least on a very surf in a surface way and and

explain that that is your motivation um can we actually go down that road to where we talk about where you've been and and some of the information you have because your I don't know if it's your clearance level

that gave you that you know the additional information about black projects and about uh certain aspects of well to to name Area 51 specifically uh possibly other places that you haven't told me about yet do you want to go you know start down that

road slightly um sure the level of secrecy and secret facilities and the capabilities of our nationally Kept Secrets um would shatter most people's imagination of what is possible um Area 51 Los Alamos DL see uh 100 other top secret bases uh where

information is kept or hidden from the public in general it would be very hard to accept that all of this information that that is currently held secret and classified is actually real um and you know this because why um

because I have experienced things in the military that I've have then told people about and by and large people that have never held a top secret clearance would call me either at the mildest a liar uh the greatest accusation

crazy um certainly my experience at Area 51 and S training and what I learned there and the abilities that evolve from that training session that we all seem to pick up on rather easily um were most easily described to

the Layman as Jedi skills it's very easy if you know what I know to see the correlation between what happens in the movie in the Jedi training and what happens in Area 51 and S training um certainly we we in the nines all

possessed a a certain level of intuition and ability that would seem Advanced to anyone who watched us use it can you elaborate on on what you may have come across because if you're using these abilities you're in Area 51

at what level did level did you go down to or whatever uh are you aware of off-world craft and I mean you know what's out there in the in I'm not sure how much you know about Camelot but I I

assume that you know the general amount of information on the internet what can you substantiate having personal sort of um knowledge of um uh extra Beyond human abilities for every human um not sub popular belief but we as

human beings are far more capable of using many many Advanced skills Beyond five senses uh with a little bit of training and the knowledge that it was actually possible most people could accurately predict the possibilities of the future

to know when other people were thinking about them uh pick up on what is easy to describe as reading people where uh you don't really need to use your five senses to be able to know what somebody else is thinking or

feeling um a lot of that has to do simply with the belief Bel that and the understanding that it's possible um that opens up a lot of doors opinion talks about having been enhanced uh physically do you feel that you were

enhanced physically um no um when I hear Duncan story um the things that he experienced are very similar to what I experienced um based on the fact that you were never told that the actual belief in what you were

doing was giving you the ability you were giving something a caveat a carrot an enhancement they could Jam a small piece of metal in your arm and that's enough to get you believing that you have these abilities and they turn on but one

really doesn't have anything to do with the other per se um I have had a device implanted in me and I later was of the understanding that that device did not do what I was told it was doing it was not to provide enhancement

it was to provide monitoring and but but you're basically saying that that it's the mental abilities that that you it's like PBO in a sense as long as you believe it it's the place gives you gives you that

ability to do superum type things right and that's very important because um if you teach people these things you want to be able to turn those things off if you want to you want to take those abilities away from people if you don't

want them to have them anymore so that's so if you tell them the true nature of the abilities then you can't take belief away anymore you have to pull the piece of metal out of the arm that says you

don't have the enhancement well it's the Tin Man yes and you know uh being told that that he doesn't have a heart he needs to have a heart installed when in fact he had a heart all along exactly or

maybe that's the lion I forget who but but all several was courage yeah yeah several of the the the beings in in in that story uh so okay well that's that's very valuable so you basically were given that kind of thing and and I would

say that um and let me interject um the six months where I was undergoing all the psychological treatment um I I did go through a period of time where I believed all of my abilities to be gone or taken away um in ' 08 uh with some

help um I was able to transcend the barrier that kept me from using those talents and now I've been able to to refine and enhance those abilities far beyond the levels that I had in the military which comes in handy when cops Chase

your cell phone GPS okay absolutely uh all right so but but to get back to Area 51 and and I I understand that at this point you would be violating a security o oath to talk about it right let me put it in terms

that it's easier for me to say and not have to go into the details of how I know but just that I know um I'll present it to everybody very simply um what could be so important at Area 51 that would require the level of

secrecy that is in existence around that facility well certainly if I said that we kept the US space Fleet there and that that space Fleet was what we would understand to be UFOs even though the technology is easy to

describe and easy to talk about and easy to educate people on um you need a lot of background in the evolution of the science that makes those things possible to be able to accept that the US has dozens if not hundreds of vehicles

that are more than capable of space flight and make it so we would have a fleet of vehicles that would be seemingly extraterrestrial and the reason that that has to be kept that way is because if you know that those Vehicles exist

you start to question the technology that they're based on and when you start to do that then you start to question why we're still using petroleum products and solid rocket boosters and everything else and things get quickly out of hand

after that so to keep those Vehicles a secret is to keep everything else a secret which is why you would need that level of security to prevent anybody from finding out about it okay but that space Fleet as you call

it uh is is capable of going anywhere easily throughout the solar system without much time or hindrance to the occupants okay and explain how how fast one could get to Mars for example um just below the speed of

light okay but but in an hour um a day I would a day say it would be more reasonable okay um incredibly fast okay have you seen these vehicles yourself um I've seen one type of one vehicle okay and

um compared to when I saw it which was more than 10 years ago and what should exist now I would say that it was a tinker toy bucket of parts compared to what we should have in existence now

based on the evolution of the technology that I know as far as offworld basis I do not possess any personal knowledge um I do however um believe in and have seen information um that would suggest that anybody with a decent telescope could

take a look at both the surface of the Moon and the surface of Mars and see some things that look very terrestrial sure and things that didn't exist 20 30 years ago um one of the caveats that I do have

some personal information uh that I did get personally involved in um was some information that had to do with uh the Stargates and looking glass and more specific specifically the 2012 problem with those projects um the well I guess popular opinion of

what's out there right now is that the project was shut down um because uh there was a problem when we approached 2012 um I've heard it described a number of ways uh but to my knowledge the problem is is that the timelines

Converge on that point in time and when you know enough about the Stargate projects and the Looking Glass Project to know that um how String Theory works and how the possibility of possibilities works and how making one choice over here doesn't

necessarily mean that the other choice uh couldn't exist at the same time um but once you get your brain wrapped around this subject you find out that um at the end of 2012 uh in an easy way to put it uh the

choices that we make become less and less consequential to the Future and eventually we're pushed into this bottleneck of time uh no matter which choice we make and that's important to the people that had access to Looking Glass

because they would use Looking Glass knowing the choices that they would make and the Future Would pop up um the big mistake was coming up with uh the possibility of future and when we started using a computer to say well if we make this

Choice it's 79% possible that this scenario happens and 23% are possible or whatever you know I'm using round number that this scenario would happen um the understanding at the time was that was realistic however if you go down the

road further and Free Will continues to exercise itself on this game um that 79% possibility sometimes changes very very fast but if you look at the situation in a point of time it seems seems very realistic that that's the greatest

possibility um what happened was people very smart people began to figure out that something big was coming up something that made it so all the possibilities of all the future scenarios of any choice any possibility that was fed in and observed

Through the Looking Glass inherently ended up in the same future and no decision and no possibility changed past a certain point um that's the big secret okay so is that certainly 2012 in your understanding it's it well coincides with December

21st 2012 so at that point all possibilities lead to the same timelines all possible timelines lead to the same basic set of history in the future and what is that history to you did you know that or did

you find that out that is the big question that is the big secret that is what sends everybody that has all of the information that knows everything into a blind panic um the people that know everything about looking glass that have gotten all the

reports and all the information the elites of the world probably figured out that that was the end of the game and nothing could be manipulated beyond that point so do you think that's held true in other words uh well I have about 60

questions but do you think that's true or holding true that nothing could be manipulated that they haven't found a way to manipulate that they're that's still the case I mean this is knowledge that you would have gained back when um

back when I was in the military it would have been before 97 when I got in trouble um and it was things that uh one of my particular areas that I was amazingly intuitive about is problem solving SL Mission planning or um more

specifically taking a bad Mission and fixing it getting everybody through and out of it TR troubleshooting an Optimum uh future exactly um certainly knowing how string theory and possible Futures Works makes it so you can work your mind very

quickly to see the reality of what's happening and decide what decisions need to be made to change it for a particular outcome okay but at a certain point you said that even the powers that be so to speak realized that having even

abilities such as yourself you're talking about which they in theory had even using a computer or looking glasses they had to use a computer to do it right so in essence but at certain point it it's still it's still an end game and

still they cannot go beyond a certain point at a certain point after they're done hearing the computer tell them this is what's going to happen over and over and over and over again um all they become focused on is

how do we fix it why what is the this that's going to happen the inevitable contraction of the timelines the but what does that mean for this reality do you know that I don't know that um what I do know is

that I was called in and asked to solve this problem this timeline contraction problem and I eventually did my my due diligence and did all the investigating and basically only had one piece of information and that was reinforcement

the computer's right the timelines will contract down to some inevitable thing that you guys won't tell me about so I can't help you but it's what you're basically you came back with was it is inevitable what it is there is an there is an inevitable

event um it's been forecast it's been predicted it's been fed to us in a slop trough of what they want us to believe will happen um but they don't actually however comma they don't actually have control over what happens they only have control over

the reaction and it seems that no matter what they try to do to cause their desired reaction it's going to have an opposite effect interesting um now it's much much easier for me to explain uh today what that process is as opposed to

back then um but if I had to give it a name I would say it's the Awakening process it's an evolution of Consciousness that cannot will not and no matter what what decisions or possibilities are injected into the

equation eventually it all resolves down to us all learning the truth and becoming aware of this massive Dam of lies that has been built that keep us from knowing massive volume of information that we should otherwise possess okay well that's very very uh

Monumental to to be told that from a p person in your perspective um who's had your background and your exposure um is it your understanding that the notion that Looking Glass has been you know that there are various looking glasses

around the the globe supposedly that according to Dan beish were shut down is that your understanding they're actually not shut down um I I believe that they're shut down um because they are all saying the same thing and they're so it's like they're

completely useless at this point right um it's like the wicked witch you know looking into the you know magic mirror and always getting the same answer well if you were always getting the exact opposite of the answer that you wanted

you'd stop talking to the mirror and that's essentially what happened with Looking Glass is no longer not only did they not want people to use it anymore because they knew it was just going to burp out the same thing uh but at the

same time they didn't want anybody else to know what it was saying I'm sure um because they would lose control because that information was of monumental concern when I was in the military about how to prevent this inevitability now at

first I thought it was end of the world now I see end of the world is end of their [Laughter] world well said um okay but are you aware do you know the difference between Looking Glass and the yellow Cube yes

okay and do you are you aware of what happened to the yellow Cube and how it was used um so on are I I believe that the yellow Cube still exists um I can't say for certain if it's on

this planet but I would say that it's definitely protected from use at this point okay well that coincides with the testimony we got um can you also verify that leaders of but let me say one thing about the yellow book NE or um and its

differences um with Looking Glass um the yellow Cube or the yellow book would give you your possible future yes so it took basically the choices that you would inherently make along a timeline and tell you what that timeline would be

given that you made all the choices that your brain would make well this is exactly what I was just going to ask you what we were told is that leaders of of governments and so on people in high uh

places uh you know uh politically would would use this to try to see their most Optimum future and then follow those those so they were using it to enhance their wealth etc etc in a very egotistical way um and that was part of

the problem with it and that uh supposedly one of the specific things we were told had to do with Hillary are you aware of any of that um um you mean the 2012 prediction for her and um well will you tell me what you

know I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this um this is all back alley information um but uh one of the last predictions that was put out by the yellow Cube was that um for all intents and purposes and this

is just my level of understanding is that uh Hillary Clinton would be president in 2012 and um when the yellow cube is involved it leads me to question what I know about looking glass and string theory along with that um the first question that

anybody that knew anything about the process would know is who was using the cube right when it made that prediction if I knew that then I could tell you why it would predict what it predicted um wasn't there also an issue

with um I'm not sure but in using the yellow Cube yellow book however you want to term it um that you they actually had to use it through um an intuitive who had a high vibration had to be in the

vicinity to in a sense be the goet between the the person who wanted to use the cube and the cube itself because normally they didn't have the vibration necessary correct and um that is a process that would prevent

um anomalies from popping out in predictions um but it wouldn't completely no and I'll tell you why um if it was used properly by somebody that knew how to use it and and could eliminate their thought process from the

machine effective use it would be very easy to get an exact you know what future holds however comma anybody that has that ability would inherently know that that information could not be given and would be protected and that

inherent notion would inject something into the yellow Cube or the yellow book that would give an inaccurate statement just by the person that's using it intuition saying if I tell the truth it'll be bad so the higher levels

pick up on that throw out a different scenario that isn't the truth it's in a sense the feedback loop gets dirtied somewhere along the line by exposure and that's why those pieces of Technology should have never been used by humanity

and its current level level of understanding because for all intens of purposes the technology doesn't work right when we use it right I I I totally get that okay so to get back to Looking Glass uh and the

possible Futures that they do uh converge um and the notion of is there anything else that you can tell us that you would want to tell us about that and the rest of the laundry list of sort of

information that you had Direct to either for for yourself or through um someone that you had vetted um the biggest cherry on top of all this conversation um would be a synopsis to say that um if I could convince everybody out

there that um for all intents and purposes what we believe to be true eventually becomes true um if somebody convinces us uh that a major disaster is going to happen in the very near future a major disaster happens in the very near

future if we don't buy into that fear and accept that there is really nothing that we know know is going to happen and except of whatever happens um that makes the convergence of the timelines happen as naturally as

possible any attempts to try to go away from this one inevitable conclusion I again see as a new beginning uh an end of this reality the beginning of something that we can't even possibly understand based on the level of our

beliefs currently but when all that information comes flooding out there's going to be no denying what's true and what's a lie or what's illusion um we won't have the choice to believe that 9/11 than happened because of a bunch of terrorists because

we'll know exactly what's happened um basically what we're experiencing right now is two Master chess players sitting at the board and one of them looks down at the board and sees that he's in Checkmate in seven moves and he looks across at his

opponent and he knows that his opponent sees it too so there's no getting out of it so at this point the loser can only prolong the game the game both players know the game is over um it's only a matter of time

before he does this and then you're forced to do this and then he's forced to do this and eventually Checkmate um we as a race if we could understand that the game is over the based on the rules of the

game the bad guys have already lost the good guys have already won yes there's moves left on the table but those moves are being forced by the player that is going to win um the only way that Checkmate can't

happen is if the player that's winning makes a mistake um but from all the information that I've gathered all of the information that's been given all of the information that's been vetted to me it seems pretty obvious that the good guy player on the side of

the chessboard knows exactly what has to be done to win the game and so at this point any mistake would be all but impossible um but again you really have to understand the game to know that the guy

that's losing is lost and I'm sure most people sitting watching a chess match between two Advanced chess players know the game's over long after the two players know it's over because they can't see the board and see that there's only seven moves

left okay but when we come to this convergence and again you've seen or the looking glass has seen up to that point now let me let me say why I believe that it comes down to one inevitability is

because uh I was usted in getting it down to two possib posibilities and um I've heard both of those possibilities talked about in massive proportions the good and the bad okay do you want to talk do you want to so can

you in one sentence say what the good was and the bad was or or are you able to do to to most easily put it to people um one scenario is what most people would understand to be Ascension or an

evolution of Consciousness that brings us out of the Cocoon and turns us into a butterfly uh timeline two is some kind of major Global catastrophe that drives most of us underground and leaves a few of us on top to fend for

ourselves very well very well put okay so I would imagine and and you can but I would also like to point it out that they call timeline two timeline two seemed very odd to me that even back then it was identified as not

one and then one one is the one didn't get talked about one is the the one that involves what in in essence would be ension or moving into you know from the Cocoon to the butterfly okay um but to I believe based

on what you're telling me that they would have used a lot of people like you that had a proclivity for um being able to see the future you know to to be what is sort of an advanced psychic remote

viewer whatever you want to call that um and looking glass to to posit this these potential Futures to go up to that point and to view it and and that you're just one of many mhm wouldn't you agree I

would agree and back in 1991 when I began my little Adventure in the military um I would say that uh it was pretty obvious that there wasn't very many of us um however comma you go 20 years into

the future and you find out that it's coming to the point where there's a lot of people that have that ability that are inherently realizing that ability and are able through some unknown extraordinary means to develop that ability inside themselves without any

outside help or assistance and it's quite obvious that as far as advanced intellectual abilities as far as simple intelligence levels um and cognitive skills of the human race has increased exponentially in the past 20 years and people that were 10 years old in

1991 are now 30 years old and full fully awake and conscious of this Burning inside that says I am a lot more than what I see in the mirror absolutely uh okay I do have a question in in regard

to what the military industrial complex has been working on because with the knowledge that you say they have assuming that they have this level of knowledge that you're talking about right in other words of the timelines converging and the fact

that there was going to be something um and I don't know if you saw the movie or the TV show Fast Forward I mean but there's been so many possible you know scenarios in that regard but one of the

things that goes on is they are very busy building underground bases supposedly underground cities and so they seem be hedging their bets for the negative timeline MH and and putting their emphasis there and would you say that that is because they I mean why

would somebody want something negative to come true well of course the Illuminati have a have a program that they're working on in that word regard but basically the sort of well-meaning military that just goes after contingencies you know and is just

working towards a future that they want to prevent or and or deal with when it comes can you explain why they have been hedging their bets to such a degree on the negative um it's very simple uh they're

insane and Beyond insane they have literally deluded themselves into believing that they can somehow manage to get away with what they're trying to get away with um there is a distinct lack of reality in that thinking okay what about the

notion that CERN for example is engaged in trying to beat that game as you call it I would say look at the problem cern's hat the crazy little things that have kept that project from moving forward um certainly they have never even come

close to getting that project to the level that it they want it to be to do what they really want to do with it okay well what about the notion that uh that that's the party line that they haven't

been able to do so but if you really think about it that's what they would prefer people believe so that they don't think that there's a threat um but when you uh listen to the interviews of the scientists that are working on the

project even they say that it seems like somebody or something from the future won't let them get that project done and the craziest little things have caused massive damage to that project and when you get the foremost uh

thinker in String Theory saying yeah I don't think we're going to do it because I don't think fate wants us to do it that says something about a scientist and okay so well thank you very much I I think that at this point

we we're going to have to close this down unless there's any other things that you think that we haven't covered or that that we could possibly touch on that that you you want out there um no um I don't

think we'd get any further tonight um certainly from what I know the questions will come out and be more than happy to do a live feed after that and answer any questions that anybody comes up with from this interview wonderful all right

well thank you very much Bill wood for your service to humanity well hopefully I can get everybody else working towards that goal as well absolutely well apparently regardless of which way they work uh the convergence will happen yeah um there's a certain element

of pain that we can reduce by just not accepting that we don't have choices in the matter and sitting back and waiting for the AL aliens to fix everything isn't going to help absolutely if we are inevitably coming to a rise in Consciousness we

should start trying to elevate our Consciousness as fast as humanly possible and make that transition a lot easier when it comes [Music]