Plastic Surgery vs Natural Beauty | Middle Ground — Transcript

I know a girl who got a chin implant. It changed her whole face like crazy. No matter how much cosmetic surgery you receive, you're thinking of little things you can change about your body constantly. Why does somebody else changing their face bother somebody who’s happy with themselves? [Music]

who's happy with themselves [Music] so I'm Kat Takahashi and I'll be moderating this episode of cosmetic surgery versus natural beauty the first prompt is cosmetic surgeries should be as normalized as makeup can the agria step forward I kind of see a lot of cosmetic

So, I'm Kat Takahashi, and I'll be moderating this episode of Cosmetic Surgery versus Natural Beauty. The first prompt is: Cosmetic surgeries should be as normalized as makeup. Can the argument step forward?

makeup like the girls who are putting on the makeup every day before school when they get a little more money in their pockets and they get a little older and they get a little Freedom yeah those are probably the girls that are a little

I kind of see a lot of cosmetic surgery as kind of like high maintenance to be low maintenance type of thing. So, girls who are overlining their lips every day, like just get some lip filler, like get the, you know, the Botox or anything. I mean, it kind of starts with makeup. Like the girls who are putting on makeup every day before school, when they get a little more money in their pockets and they get a little older and they get a little freedom. Yeah, those are probably the girls that are a little more inclined to want to get, you know, stuff done.

don't think people talk about it because it's so taboo originally The Prompt said surgery and I don't think surgery should be normalized but then you started talking about like botox Botox lasers um skincare products friends and um acquaint acquaintances that I know who

It's a little more severe to go under the knife than to wear makeup, but I mean, it's something that happens every day, you know, it's LA, and I just don't think people talk about it because it's so taboo. Originally, the prompt said surgery, and I don't think surgery should be normalized, but then you started talking about like Botox, Botox, lasers, um, skincare products, friends and, um, acquaintances that I know who also are aging gracefully.

playing catchup at some point if there's something that you could have done like regular exercise to or or stretching every day to help you age better why not do that for your appearance if it's simple safe uh and you're doing it with

Mhm, somebody gave them the secret. When they were in their 20s, our collagen starts going at 25. So, if you're not doing things that boost the collagen in your skin at the age of 25, you're going to be playing catch-up at some point. If there's something that you could have done, like regular exercise too, or stretching every day to help you age better, why not do that for your appearance if it's simple, safe, and you're doing it with, you know, a trusted physician?

for a laia plasty and I was ready to walk in the room and be like are you freaking crazy like what are you thinking bringing in your daughter for a labia plasy and I walked in and this girl had a normal labia on one side and

But surgeries, you would say that should not be normalized? I don't think it should be normalized, but I'll give you an example. This is going to sound crazy, but go with me. So, I had a girl brought in by her mom for a labiaplasty, and I was ready to walk in the room and be like, are you freaking crazy? Like, what are you thinking bringing in your daughter for a labiaplasty? And I walked in, and this girl had a normal labia on one side, and on the other side, she had a labia as long as my finger hanging out. When she was at the Y, it would fall out of her bathing suit. She was getting teased by her friends, and she said, "Mom, I do not want to go in high school with this thing hanging out of my vagina." I did it awake. It took me 15 minutes to give her a normal anatomic labia that matched her other side.

want to go in high school with this thing hanging out of my vagina I did it awake took me 15 minutes to give her a normal anatomic labia that matched her other side so should we normalize access to feel your best absolutely bring the

So, should we normalize access to feel your best? Absolutely. Bring the disagree in. I think plastic surgery shouldn't be demonized, but it also shouldn't be normalized totally, completely either. In that way, stealth can also be quite dangerous for people because people are dishonest about the work they get done, and they give this unrealistic beauty standard.

unrealistic Beauty standard I didn't know a lot of girls had bbls when they were selling workout plans things totally bbls yeah Brazilian buttlift which is what I have two of okay I don't think plastic surgery is wrong the

I didn't know a lot of girls had BBLs when they were selling workout plans. Things totally BBLs. Yeah, Brazilian butt lift, which is what I have two of. Okay, I don't think plastic surgery is wrong. The little girl you're talking about, like, we can all imagine what that would be like having some kind of abnormality in your body, or if you have a cleft lip or something that makes you feel so othered. I can understand that. My issue with the idea of normalizing surgery: you have young girls. When you're 18, you get to decide if you're willing to take on the risk.

idea of normalizing surgery you have young girls when you're 18 you get to decide if you're willing to take on the risk 18-year-olds don't really know anything I don't want a society that tells young women especially you need to

18-year-olds don't really know anything. I don't want a society that tells young women, especially, you need to change these things about yourself surgically. So, I think it's very important that we make a distinction. Yes, there we go, we got it. I was, it was there between makeup and surgery because that was the prompt, right?

right I would face troubles when I was doing certain surgeries right and I had to do do redo things and I think once you go down that slope or and that route it's it goes into like another like a

I would face troubles when I was doing certain surgeries, right? And I had to do redo things, and I think once you go down that slope or that route, it goes into like another tunnel, you know what I'm saying? Makeup is something that's so easy to—we can take it off, we can put it on. So, that's the only reason why I disagree. I don't think it should be as normalized as makeup because it's just two totally different ball games.

as makeup because it's just two totally different ball games I completely agree with you and to a certain extent I would say uh looking at like the makeup industry makeup in a lot of ways is a little bit too normalized so I don't

I completely agree with you, and to a certain extent, I would say, looking at the makeup industry, makeup in a lot of ways is a little bit too normalized. So, I don't think I would want to take that a step further. And if we're normalizing makeup, which in a lot of ways there are women and men who can throw on makeup and it changes the entire shape of their face, and you take it off and it's a completely different person underneath, surgery does that in a more permanent, invasive way.

and you take it off and it's a completely different person underneath surgery does that in a more permanent invasive way the goal is to move away from alteration of the self of the person and move towards you know

The goal is to move away from alteration of the self, of the person, and move towards, you know, acceptance. So, alteration of self and permanence are two things that you brought up. Would you apply the same to tattoos and piercings?

about myself and I go why did I feel the need to change this you know person that I was your expression though what you wanted to visualize yeah I think it was a convinced self-expression and we talk about aging and the the phrase age

Yes, and I say that as a person who has tattoos. In a lot of ways, I look down and I think about myself and I go, why did I feel the need to change this, you know, person that I was?

this Mark that I have on my stomach is from my child who's now in his 30s why don't we view that is aging gracefully why is there no Grace in accepting the wrink one wrinkle or seeing a a little

Your expression though, what you wanted to visualize? Yeah, I think it was a conscious self-expression. And we talk about aging, and the phrase "age gracefully" was used. When I think about aging gracefully, I think about somebody who is looking at the wrinkles on their face and going, "Oh, that was a laugh that I had back when I was, you know, 23." This mark that I have on my stomach is from my child who's now in his 30s.

okay now or um maybe there's like this one definitive SP spot where like this is okay but this is not you know in in the nonplastic surger who determines that you don't want to demonize the plastic surgon you don't want to

Why don't we view that as aging gracefully? Why is there no grace in accepting one wrinkle or seeing a little mark on your belly? Is not what these women are coming in for. I've had patients who are so blown out in their abdomen that you can see their intestines moving under their skin after they've had four children.

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So, is that okay now? Or maybe there's like this one definitive spot where like this is okay but this is not? You know, in the non-plastic surgery, who determines that? You don't want to demonize the plastic surgeon, you don't want to demonize the plastic surgery, you don't want to set arbitrary posts for when it's okay and when it's not okay or how bad it is before you do it or how bad it's impossible.

exact same lips or the exact same nose it's almost impossible to deny that insecurities are being put on to people imagine that the plastic surgery cosmetic surgery realm would naturally not exist if it weren't for insecurity and if we could somehow alleviate that

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fashion also is that also you know push-up Ras is that also a terrible thing the analogy that I always give is if you're going to go buy a couch you can go buy a Paisley couch you can do

The cosmetic surgery industry exploits people's insecurities. Wow, all agree. Okay, when you have trends where all of these women are getting the exact same boob job, the exact same lips, or the exact same nose, it's almost impossible to deny that insecurities are being put onto people.

your body healthy natural looking a very neutral canvas and then you can play with it you can have fun with it so as far as insecurities go if a woman has four children and her stomach's completely blown out her breasts are

Imagine that the plastic surgery, cosmetic surgery realm would naturally not exist if it weren't for insecurity. And if we could somehow alleviate that pressure that women in particular feel quite often, then it would be an industry that would be going out of business.

who's a mother who wants to feel like hey I want to be in a bikini again I want to have intimate relations with my husband again and not be thinking oh is he touching flab here oh is does my

I disagree with that. I mean, I'm a plastic surgeon, and I think that the answer is yes and no. You know, similarly to maybe fashion also, is that also, you know, push-up bras? Is that also a terrible thing? The analogy that I always give is if you're going to go buy a couch, you can go buy a paisley couch, you can do that, that might be the trend, or you can buy a neutral couch and change your pillows.

thought and this is my 11th year in practice and I've always been into natural results I haven't moved my forehead in 16 years I have 15 syringes of filler in my face but you would never know big tip if your surgeon looks like

So, I'm the type of plastic surgeon that always promotes a neutral couch, and you can change your clothes, you know, as trends come and go, but you want to keep your body healthy, natural looking, a very neutral canvas, and then you can play with it. You can...

you that it wasn't always that way I'm I'm curious because we're seeming to be drawing a distinction between whether or not the results are natural or whether or not the results turn out to be what we would I guess call botched I don't

know that it changes the route insecurity that leads people to go and seek out plastic surgery do you all feel that insecurity plays a super large role in the choice or you were doing it for yourselves uh can I jump in there um so

growing up I was super insecure I had no curves I was always made fun of for not having any curves so that's why I such an exaggerated shape now and I always tied my self worth to how I looked and I

feel like I was I was a victim of the plastic surgery industry in a way and beauty standards and I have to agree on that aspect yeah insecurity is a vague term everybody looks in the mirror and wants something different you know you

can say I want to smaller nose or I want bigger lips and some girls are like ew why you yours are fine or some girls don't like that look why do you work out you obviously wouldn't be super

confident have you not you know there's a reason why people are spending all this money on Pilates and souls and all this other stuff so I mean it's all insecurity it's how you go about it you want to go to the Natural route working

out you want to go plastic either or some people wear makeup some people wear shapewear to make themsel you know look slimmer or tuck in that extra rooll that you might have after Thanksgiving you know so I think insecurities are always

going to have it my my question is what is considered natural because if we keep going down that route of um you know this is considered natural and this who defines what natural is right I think the way that I Define it is that no one

would know when you walked in a room that you had anything done at all no Stigmata of plastic surgery that's how I I think over the years stey plastic surgery yeah like did she or didn't she so I think that you know if you think of

it as prevention if you think of it as self-care if you maintenance or maintenance you maintain your car you maintain your house you also if it's important to you you maintain your appearance think about it that way though in this rule of if you're

thinking of something you know three or more times in a day maybe you should change it there are people who change well you should maybe see somebody or see what you can do about creating some sort of difference alleviating that we

all feel insecurities I'm pretty sure even now no matter how much cosmetic surgery you receive you're thinking of little things you can change about your body constantly and we live in a world that really emphasizes image social media has really proliferated that

problem if everybody was using that sort of metric as a means of change we would constantly be changing our bodies and faces and I think it makes us more subservient to societal standards and other people's views then we're

subservient to accepting ourselves but if you truly accept yourself then why wouldn't you just accept yourself like why would why does somebody else shaning their face like bother somebody who's happy with themselves so I'm not bothered by the fact that

people have had plastic surgery I like and very close to a lot of people who had plastic surgery whether it's a nose job a boob job those T tend to be the most common in my life I don't look at

the people closest to me and go but you changed your nose I don't like that and now I'm more insecure however when I'm in a room and I'm surrounded by like like I work with a lot of influencers and I'll be the

only girl who doesn't have a boob job and it's the same boob job it's the same look and everyone has the same nose and everyone has the same lips and then you do you start to sit there and be like is

there something wrong with me and I've had producers and I've had people tell me like oh if your ears were pinned back it would be a lot better if your lips were bigger it'd be a lot better when

you create a culture where it's people are constantly jumping on the Bea Trend I think that that creates insecurities that wouldn't have otherwise been there so I have no problem in people getting plastic surgery I have a problem in a

culture that pushes the rhetoric that if you don't get certain things or don't have certain things that there's something wrong with you I want to um touch on that because it's about the word create really I think it's take one

more step back and look at why these insecurities exist in the first place the root of that is Media TV shows and models and movies and comparing literally apples to oranges like every single person in the entire universe is

uniquely themselves did insecurities exist before TVs and these competitions and whatever industry existed I kind of don't yes but in a very different way I think it had to do with survival I think it had to do with family yeah I have

this insecurity about my ey sagging so I'm going to pay however many hundreds of dollars to do that but then it's going to be maintenance and then am I really hitting the root of the problem or am I avoiding like what the real root

is which is this kind of need for acceptance it's concerning that cosmetic surgeries are normalized amongst young girls I would consider myself a young girl I'm 26 but also there's younger um at the end of the day what I worry about

like botox and things that aren't really dramatic like you can see I have plastic surgery but the plastic surgery you can't see is what worries me the most and I'm a little afraid of Aging I'm not going to lie so when I see like

celebrities they're like in their 40s or 50s but they look 2030 do I have to do all of these things and stick needles in my face to maintain my youth and that's what scares me the most so what what if

you can share what surgeries or what procedures did you go through yourself yeah I had two bbls and uh two breast augmentations and those are kind of like more dramatic ones so you can like see that I did it and I also am very open

about it I think it's very harmful if you try to hide it for me I'm not a big drinker uh I don't smoke I don't do drugs I regularly exercise my elders who have aged well without plastic surgery

that was the lifestyle they lived I've met so many young girls who have zero care about the toxic lifestyle they're living because if I don't age well I'll just like get it fixed it does Target young girls to not care about

consequences because instant gratification and I'm not saying that's what plastic surgery always is but I do think that when we already have this culture of instant gratification it's only Amplified by telling them that you can just get whatever fixed later for

example Halloween there's uh this little girl she has to be a toddler maybe four or five years old and she has a little pole for IV and she has like a fake you know uh gauze and everything and she's

showing that she got a BBL when I see a little girl who's mimicking someone getting a BBL I'm like okay well she's five what what are you doing mimicking a BBL she doesn't even know what her body is going to look like yet that's really

scary I do have a question for you ladies right cuz you're very Jessica Rabbit and I say that in a good way cuz I love Jessica Rabbit like you both clearly had plastic surgery and you both I swear I look natural but both of

you have mentioned having it young do you feel like you were too young when you made the decision for me absolutely because I started getting worked done um around like 16 17 um a baby yeah but the thing was that I was a dancer in in in

clubs I was looking at other older girls where they had that very va boom VA body and I wanted that va boom body too you know they had the big boobs they had the you know they're make making all the money and when I started

dancing I was 18 years old you know so I started doing Botox then I did a nose job and then I did good I shouldn't have been thinking about that at 18 you know who's to blame for that that's obviously

a different discussion when I was 18 I got my first boob job I was going to comp compete in bodybuilding uh Fitness was always a passion of mine before getting all the plastic surgery and I thought I had to get implants to kind of

like proportionately even out the rest of my body it was getting like flat chested from the muscles and the chest days and um honestly I don't regret anything I've done I'm very happy and confident in what I've done to my body I

don't think I was too young to make the decision I've stayed true to how I feel about what I've done and like my own personal decision but I don't want it to affect young girls so that's why I

remain transparent about everything you think about the the entrance of social media into civil society and now I'll scroll through Tik Tok and it's like are you a catg girl or a bunny girl what type of pretty are you are you slim

bodied are you BBL bodied do you have a cups do you have b cups and it's just people who are really funneling girls down this path of wanting a specific body type whatever the body type may be and and Trends flow in and out and then

I'm seeing young girls who are saying I'm going to the clinic to get preventative Botox it's not that I even have wrinkles now I want to prevent wrinkles down the line or I'm getting filler because Jenner has it or a

ponytail face yeah right right or they're even like they're they're risking pulmonary embolism to get a BBL and all these different things so I went to a school that we had a lot of very privileged kids and as soon as they were

18 I know multiple girls that got gifted what procedure or surgery would you like and that's insane to me as a mom I'm just going to say but we need to teach our girls that your Jew jewelry is

your mind your jewelry is what you do for other people it's not what you look like and if you lose that then you have I had I had a patient actually who told me if I don't have my face I have

nothing and I was like well maybe you should go back to school and find your something and find your purpose because you can't put all your eggs in the beauty basket does that mean that beauty doesn't matter no there was a 60-minute

special I swear 20 years ago that talked about how we are all inherently programmed to appreciate Beauty you know they they brought a um a teacher in front of a class of kindergarten kids and she was an actress she was dressed

as sheveled and she gave that talk a lesson to the kindergarten kids they took the same person backstage put her in a different outfit fixed her hair in a ponytail so she looked less disheveled she went out in the same tone of voice

same everything gave the same lesson they asked the students which teacher did you like better they said the second one they said why they said because she's nicer so we are all we can't deny that beauty matters and we're programmed

to appreciate Beauty but that doesn't mean you put all your eggs in that basket or that you teach your children to to say that if I'm not beautiful in this standard that is current right now in this trend then I'm worth

nothing I think because I'm 23 and I grew up with it and I was the youth you know in the social media looking at you know the Kardashians and I was young and I think I'm fine nowadays um encourage

support encourage acceptance like things like that yeah but you can look you know we have a mirrors we have eyes like your mom can tell you in your ear you're the most beautiful girl in the world all day

long but if you're not treated like that at school if you don't feel that way you can see more attracted people on a daily basis you can look in the mirror and see what you don't like about yourself

that's all going to go in one year out through the other we keep just going back to this like is it a little more heightened with social media sure but at the same time like a 13-year-old algorithm isn't only girls with you know

fillers like and I think what you were saying it all goes back to the moms like when I was a kid and I would oh my gosh that model so beautiful my mom the first thing she be like that girl does not

look like that she has all these fillers all these face like my mom's best friend was a makeup artist in New York City and he was like are you kidding like none of these people look like that in real life

so I was just always well aware of that a young age and you know having access to fillers I would see girls I would be able to spot the filler on a person you know or in filters so I would know that

these Instagram models were fake and there were you know if you have face tune you know when a girl's face tuned so it's like you know it's fake so I don't understand a lot of people don't know it's fake I think if we're going to

judge it based on an issue for young kids in particular the less that you're able to see the plastic surgery the more of an issue it becomes because they're seeing these individuals and thinking nothing has happened and thinking that

this is a beauty standard that this person achieved naturally because they can't really detect it with their eyes and we sort of I think all grew up in an age where we didn't have social media and then suddenly we did we have to

think about like Jen Alpha who is growing up in a world right now where social media is the standard they've never not known the internet so if you have these imperceivable plastic surgery and cosmetic changes that kids are

taking on they're thinking that's a natural I mean I kind of have like I had Instagram at like 10 years old like I was on the internet you know before that um and but you watch the rise of filters

you watch the rise of face tune which makes you more attuned to be able to detect these things cuz filters used to be so funny like if we can go back to the dawn of Instagram guys a question

yeah do you think that us as Professionals in plastic surgery if we put out more informational um factoids about how to tell like oh for example somebody brought up the um Fitness influencers saying that I did squats but they really

had a BBL like I went on maybe three years ago on my social media and said you guys if somebody doesn't have a hip dip if they had a BBL so do you think that as as as you know professionals if

we came out we we gave the younger Generations the tips to be able to tell someone's had something done would that be helpful for I would personally love that I have a question for the plastic surgery side um if you're planning on

having children if you have children what is that conversation about cosmetic surgery going to look like with them if at a young age they come to you and say I'm really interested in this or you know I'd like to get this procedure done

when I'm old enough totally I think for me it would be honestly how I would tell anyone right this is your decision I think um with the little education that I do know um I would definitely make sure they understand that you know it

does there's pros and cons to it right you're not going to just wake up and be totally happy that you that you did something and that's it right there might be now you see that you're gaining waste so you're okay maybe I'll just do

BBL now you know or maybe I'll do this Etc um I think it'll be very important to to let them make that decision but give them the best um education as you can and then obviously get a professional that can help you with that

I don't know if I can tell anyone to not do something I could only give them my advice and my experience and I I think it'll be hypocritical for me to say Hey listen you shouldn't do this I don't

agree with it when I was 18 you know getting a nose job I think I have a shitty answer but it's I don't really care um I think I'm just going to give them the honest feedback I would would give

anybody like I'm sorry you know I'm sure my daughter is going to be the most beautiful girl in the world whatever if her nose is really bad and she's really insecure about it at a young age she comes to

me and we have the financial means to do so I probably would be the parent like hey girl like get your nose done for graduation before you go to college I know that sounds really shitty doesn't it's that's how shitty feeling like

looking in the mirror and like crying all the time about your like your face you don't like your nose you don't like whatever it is like I know a girl who got a chin implant changed her whole face like crazy had such more com

like yeah I don't know I mean obviously am I going to be like listen you're doing a big thing we're going to go we're going to get educated we're going to the best doctors we're going to figure it out um and if I have the

financial means to do so correctly hell yeah I think also what what's the purpose you you're doing it for who who you're doing it for because people end up doing plastic surgery for boy for boys so I think it's it's very important

to ask too what's the reason for you doing it and we do that and it's very important for the surgeon to also ask I have it on my questionnaire my intake form has anyone um told you you should

do this has anyone made you feel bad about this area um mental health questions um I think you know as it is for mom to ask her child it's also very important as us as The Gatekeepers to also make sure they're doing it for the

right reasons honestly I didn't have too much to add to the topic because I agree with both of them at in the same vein and I I don't plan to have kids but I do plan to be a role model for younger

girls uh nieces nephews things like or sorry nieces and I would just honestly do the same same thing that gazelle would just educate them I wouldn't judge them um I would teach them about their selfworth doing things a natural way

first and you know like just let it not be your theault yeah exactly not just going straight to surgery we are trending towards a future where natural beauty will no longer exist I'm thinking way ahead into the future uh I'm thinking social media is

going to grow quite a bit uh our beauty trends are going to change AI is going to integrate with medicine and that's going to change uh Beauty and and how easy it is to go and receive these surgeries so yeah in in a lot of ways I

think the trend is definitely not towards what's natural as human civilization is trending altogether towards what's unnatural and I think that will apply to Beauty as well it makes me sad to think that we live in a society that doesn't want to see people

age normally and I say that as somebody who deals with insecurities myself I don't know that when I'm 50 like my face is going to look like and how I'm going to look in the mirror and how I'm going

to perceive myself but I would hope that I've fortified this sort of philosophical idea that I have about beauty so much that I won't feel the need to change myself in any way young people old people everybody's going to

be engaging in this practice even men as we're seeing them sort of uh get into plastic surgery now as well it it's strange to me to think that we're not going to see what people were actually meant to look like do you ever feel

tempted to get a procedure done yourself with all this pressure in societ ital pressure not with all the thought that I've put into it but I can say from the moment I was able to perceive myself and perceive insecurity I felt it I can't

tell you how many times when I was a teenager I thought oh let's just get get a rhinoplasty let's just slope the nose a little bit and fix it but little button Yeah the more I've thought about it though the more I'm thinking I I

really want to know what I look like when I'm 70 80 and like what I was supposed to look like and I want to experience life and experience the wear and tear that that puts on the body so I

don't think so for me like when Co hit and we we had to shut down our office for 2 months and I wasn't doing things to myself I was looking in the miror I was like holy is that what I

actually look like right I ran to the office grabbed a couple boxes of filler brought it home and started shooting myself up in the face I'm like restore restore restore so um I think it's really honest you know to say that I I

you know um I don't you don't know how you're going to perceive yourself when you're 50 you're probably still going to be gorgeous and great but you know you never know and I think it's good to leave that door open you know it's it's

armamentarium in a toolbox but for me I think that what's going to happen is it's going to become so accessible imagine you go to R aid and there's a machine that scans your face does an ultrasound knows exactly the level of

your thickness of your skin knows where your muscles are it generates a hyaluronic acid SL Botox mask with you know little not needles in it but the hyic acid is shaped as needles you put it on your face and you press you've

just delivered Botox to your face you've delivered hyaluronic acid filler to your face and it's going to become that accessible is this something you know is coming I think that this is where you know what I mean can I

invest didn't that Intrigue you a little bit so I think when it becomes that easy and affordable and accessible then yeah people are going to say heck why not why why shouldn't I do a little skin booster yeah I completely understand like like I

use a collagen booster in my coffee I'm going to continue drinking my collagen I also take a calcium because I know I'll stop building reserves in a few years right surgery is much more my concern I have a very Slavic nose and it's very

specific in my head I hated it for the longest time I wanted the little button Western European nose it's what I wanted and it took me a long time to be like no this is the same nose that like my

grandparent or my grandpa came over with from the Czech Republic and I think we start losing that and I think we start losing a lot of individual cultural Beauty in order to fit whatever aesthetic is being pushed I think again

we're talking about two different things you're talking about changing beauty standards I'm talking about staying youthfull looking looking like you but looking your best for as long as possible but that doesn't concern me uh like it it that doesn't concern me in

terms of losing natural beauty because to me natural beauty a lot is uh a lot of whatever your ethnic group beauty is like beauty within your ethnic features cuz that includes body types right when we start pushing people to change you're

erasing the beauty that can be found within their natural phenotypical expression just so you know though in the in the Plastic Surgery world we have books on ethnic noses we have books on ethnic breath like we have books on this stuff to to

keep people within their to try and mitigate their kind of thing no it's I don't we don't even think of it as a raer but just like respecting that person's anatomy and and phenotype and just optimizing it for

them I think especially in an economy people can't even afford groceries right now so people can't afford to put gas in their car I don't think we're literally anywhere near where everyone is going to have lip filler and

have a nose job I don't see everybody you know running to get Li filler like where I'm from it's just cuz every but it is getting more accessible accessible yes but I don't think natural beauty is going to go away 100% so perfect example

I remember I mean yes that sounds really cool you were saying like the sheet you put you scan your face whatever but at the end of the day it's always going to be like the cheaper riskier alternative I've had friends be like oh my God my

friend's becoming an NP like she'll do your things for free and I'm like I'm good that's your standard right I love it said the same thing about say electronic Vehicles people thought oh the rich are only going to have those

it's never going to trickle down to normal people or the iPhone smartphones people thought only rich people would have access to those but as we devel it'll be more accessible but I don't think everyone's going to do it it's

always more annoying to get things done it's more effort to get things done than it is to not and most people are lazy and most people don't want to spend the money I feel like if we look at

something like braces right braces are mostly aesthetic and at one point nobody got braces now everyone's like I personally haven't had braces so like purely by luck I it's now so normal it's now so normal though that people

are very surprised when I'm like nope didn't have them and I feel like we are moving in that direction like when I say I don't have tattoos a lot of people are really surprised I don't actually have my ears pierced a lot of people are

really surprised all of these things all these alterations they they do become so normal and I'm not obviously not condemning anyone with tattoos or piercings or with plastic Sur there too many to go down that rabbit hole I don't

think insurance is going to cover like botox and like I think there's too many elements that like braces insurance came in and helped with that there's a lot of other things they're not thinking far enough into the future about how easily

it's going to be like we're using examples of like filler and Botox these might not even be within the realm of cosmetic surgery 50 years down the line once we've made advancements when we're talking about the accessibility we're

going to be talking about very qualified plastic surgeons uh like Sheila who are giving these procedures to normal people and it's not necessarily that all natural beauty is going to be erased and nobody's going to have the the face that

they were born with is just to say is the rate of intervention when it comes to Beauty going to be higher than than those stay natural so how do you all feel about the fact that a lot of people

are going through procedures to specifically like get rid of certain ethnic features they have or to maybe even look like another race as an Asian woman um I'm naturally thin I have no curves like I mentioned before and

obviously this beauty standard of having curves comes from um African-American and Spanish culture and I uh admit it and I appreciate it I don't think it's a bad thing and I don't think it's inherently bad I think it's just

different yeah a lot of people that talk about white supremacy or eurocentrism but with BBL culture now like you said that's Latin and African-American a lot of people are going in to get plastic surgery on their eyes to look more East

Asian with noses we typically tend to fall into this more eurocentric standard but also a good plastic surgeon in my opinion would look at your ethnic features and would think about preserving them and would be more focused on an idea of symmetry than

erasing what is something that is typical for your ethnicity I totally agree with you and I will tell you um I don't speak for all plastic surgeons but we have books on you know how to preserve ethnic Beauty Asian

grandparents when there's an Asian baby will massage their nose to try to give them a bridge a lot of Asian women will go in and actually have cartilage inserted to give them a bridge where do you draw the line I know about like the

eyelid things the double eyelid yeah and sometimes I've heard from um Asian patients like I can't wear glasses because I have no Bridge like it'll literally slide off like if I don't do something I'm going to have to

go get an eye surgery instead to get lasick so then I won't need the glasses anymore so again I think we shouldn't just say Line in the Sand no and we shouldn't say Line in the Sand yes and

and it's really more nuanced again I was made fun of for like not being able to see open your eyes and now everyone's like I'm getting the Fox Eye I'm getting this and they're not admitting where it actually comes from and that's why I

like to give credit where credit is due does that bother you by the way that people are oh yeah I'm like just call it what it is if you won't acknowledge where things come from like and you're just going to hop on any Trend that

follows like oh my God like those type of eyes are in I'm going out oh my God like big Bots are in I'm going to go on that like then you're just dumb like you have to follow what you like more like

for some reason I've never been inclined to get a boob job you know a lot of my friends have one it's just like that's not the look I like I think we are in a generation where everyone's like so

coddled and like so nervous like oh my God I have to look this way and it's like you don't look that way so if you either change it when you get older you don't I don't know that's sounds like a

little har what would you say motivated you towards your procedures so i' I've just gotten my lips down in my boat I mean just because I wanted bigger lips I had like no upper lip before even as a

kid when I was like playing with my mom like our family's makeup like my cousins and I my cousin be like damn you have no upper lip and like I'm Hispanic I'm Cuban and Dominican and I have like no

lips you know what I mean which is not really the standard who doesn't want some face symmetry who doesn't want an upper lip like little things like that I mean I'm a little overdue for Botox I go into tanning beds a little too much

please don't I know I'm sorry everyone hates me for it but just because you do something as well doesn't mean that you're trying to mimic another culture as well back in the day you know having big breasts was

our ccasian thing right it was more the you know we were the bo the booty the you know ccasian was more getting the the the boobs you know the Pamela Anderson boobs um and just because you get lips it doesn't mean that you're

trying to be black or any any of those I think stereotypes and if you get your nose done as someone who's Puerto Rican and they look at me and they're like okay well what you don't you don't you

didn't like your nose before no because I just wanted it I wanted it done now your intention is to look like another race I think that's a different conversation yeah and I just think that's weird I don't think anybody's

really looking in the mirror being like I'm doing this because I want to look like a different waist it just happens to be a feature that is usually stigmatized towards a certain some people are though some people are trying

to look like elves I love the way I look will the agers please step forward I came to this country when I was seven on the back of a pickup truck my parents wouldn't let me wax my mustache shave my legs they're like who

are you shaving your legs for I was super skinny I think I was like 90 lbs didn't have my first real boyfriend until probably med school it was a journey for me I didn't I didn't get my confidence because of how I look I had

my confidence because of what my mom my mom told me my mom always told me you're so beautiful you're so smart you have so much to offer and so I think I took a journey like this to to loving how I

look how much of like your procedures you feel makes you love the way you look it doesn't matter as much to me because I I have done so many other things that I gain uh Confidence from my confidence

comes from my core values and on the inside but I'm able to also um be artistic and I I love to sculpt in the past and I love to draw in the past and now I get to do that on humans and make

them feel great so what what procedures have you done on yourself so um the first two procedures that I started with were um Botox and filler filler in my temples under eyes uh laugh lines lips U net lines and my entire jawline Botox

and my bunny lines here here here and my MERS cuz I also get lock jaw if I don't cuz I clench all the time I would love to get some things done have I you know a little more money in the bank

obviously nobody loves what they loves them themselves 100% when they look in the mirror I mean maybe you do but cuz you only had one procedure right it was just the lips yeah just the lips and I've had Botox well Botox it literally

makes your face look so much clear I don't know how to explain it soter you yeah literally I mean it goes away so I over right now and then all my hair is fake something happened in college and

literally all my hair fell out and it was like my hair was like so much of my beauty it was like my identity and I spend so much money on like KPS do you think that you would have you would be

sitting here right now as an agreer I love the way I look if you didn't have these procedures done no I personally have never been more confident in my entire life and it's a little bit of a problematic statement

because technically it is a mental issue that maybe I could have gone to th before and not done the bodily changes um it would be irresponsible for me not to acknowledge that but at the end of the day I make money off my looks and

I've always loved the fake exaggerated look it's always what I wanted and admired for myself I'm very happy with how I look now I also recognize that a lot of my stance comes from a place of privilege cuz like I said never had to

have braces like I didn't really have to do a lot to be conventionally passing as attractive you know what I mean like I just kind of existed and I was like thanks guys fair enough uh yeah it has itated walking up

because I feel like if I was going to put it into perfect words it's that I Fall In and Out in love with the way that I look on any given day and I think everybody experiences that but I've been

sort of training my brain as I'm developing growing into myself to carry more to care more about being healthy and having health I feel like that exudes Beauty in a in a lot of different ways and knowing that the moments where

you do not love yourself are not really founded in reality there's just something that we're creating for ourselves or Society is creating or social media is creating that don't need to be listened to as much as we're listening to it currently so that's why

I walked forward cuz I do feel at the end of the day it's all love and like The Whispers that we get that aren't love are not to be listened to I agree with it's a spectrum every day all the time throughout each day uh

I'm extremely judgmental on myself and just the entire world and my worst critic um I'm super like perfectionist even though I absolutely know that there is no such thing as Perfection I can't say that like I look at myself and I'm

like yes no I'm always nitpicking at myself on a mental physical emotional aspect um I definitely think that I put judgment on the way I look from unresolved trauma that happened and it's this weird mirroring effect that I have

but I still haven't like had a day where it's like 100% I love myself 100% I love that I know that I'm in control of my progress and of the fact that life is just a process my whole family had we had like big

chins right so that was one of the things like the one of the first things like I kind of shaved down because we just all have the chin I've done a face lift I've done my nose I've done my lips

obviously my forehead done my body obviously and then I do maintenance right so I do my Botox I do my fillers there's times where I'm like yeah I'm a bad and there's times where I'm like oh my God I feel too fat you know I

I struggled with weight all my life I don't think we'll get the stuff that we had done if we were truly truly happy with what we saw in the mirror I that's just my opinion do you feel like though

because of you know the procedures that you did that you do love the way you look more yeah absolutely because yeah because that's the reason why we do our chief and we do those things because we we didn't like what we saw you know

whether you want more pronounced nose or whatever whatever you want if you're going to use those things to change yourself to be happy and to love yourself do it but also know that and I'm only talking about visually because

if we go down the mental health thing then that's like a totally different topic but visually um I I feel like if we were happy or really love the way we look we wouldn't do the things that we've

done men are more attracted to Natural Beauty it's hard I do Instagram social media and um adult content creation and I find that my look is very Niche I don't appeal to the masses for sure I get a lot of comments trolling me

discusting BBL go get a refund you look like you're wearing a diaper type stuff so I feel like there are men that still most most of the men do appreciate natural beauties even if it's like they don't know that they got worked on

too that's why I'm here that's same same thing I'll let you go first so I think men have no clue what's natural and what's not I I um was going to do a show for e um and for a year I operated on

this African-American very well-known human and on her social media literally everybody's like that's what a natural beauty looks like and I cannot there's not one inch on her body that I did not operate on I think they appreciate a

natural result but they don't want your again your skin falling off your skeleton they don't want your boobs down here and sometimes honestly they don't even notice that they're just happy to be intimate yeah I was thinking something

very similar to you that a lot of men will say oh I I love natural look at Kendall Jenner and then it's just like okay well wait a second you don't know exactly what natural is so I wanted to

stay back and say well maybe I disagree because their perception of natural beauty isn't exactly in tune but I also feel like if you were uh dating a guy and had no procedures done he may be more attracted to that reality than he

is attracted to dating a woman who has had procedures done so you might look like Megan Fox and that will get you a lot of male attention but I think when you're dating a man as soon as he finds

out oh you've had a rhinoplasty you've had a boob job you've had this he's thinking what do you actually look like what am I getting here you know if we procreate and have a child am I actually getting the girl who looks like Megan

Fox or am I going to get a child who looks totally different and I've heard a lot of men now complain about false advertising so they're trending towards the natural even though if aesthetically it may not be as pleasing to them you're

nodding your head is this something you like experienced oh yeah I comments like that all the time like your kids aren't going to have that booty or like your kids aren't going to look like you I mean I haven't touched my face yet yeah

but um if I do you know if I have kids they won't look like that 30ies hello what's up a lot of men like natural bodies and natural girls who don't get any work done because they are thinking about um you know what what

what about my kids can I bring them around my parents you know how are people going to perceive me bringing someone who has a freaking 44 inch hips and butt you know how has it impacted your personal dating life it it affects

it because they only see that right and obviously they can see my social media and they'll see okay well she's done like Playboy right so she have her legs all open for that right other men is going to see that and then you know

judge me or that's not mine that's not exclusive to me if I go on a date I know I have to be very conscious with what I wear because if I wear something like this his mind is like how am I going to

devour you know it's not like okay what are what are we going to do on our second date I've dated multiple people they like they start dating me and then but you'd be so much better blonde and I

know that's not a procedure or surgery but the last person um I dated he would tell me all the time how I needed a Boop job or I needed my butt done like I needed these things it was like yeah

you're just a plain Jane without it like this is this is gross and I'm like why are you dating me you yeah you want to say something I can I think men think with two heads and the top of their head

this one wants the natural girl and I think really to touch on your point like for a guy to make a girl his wife he has to be sexually attracted to her and that's where the other head comes in and

they don't gravitate towards the natural girl I hate to bring them up but you know the Jenner Sisters it's like one of them everybody thinks they have plastic surgery when the other one is just had just as much but one just looks a little

more exaggerated than the other I think men don't know what natural looks like I think you know if you get filler if you get BOTOX to a normal degree I don't think they'll care that much um they say

they do but at the end of the day I feel like the guys who complain about that stuff on these podcasts or things like that they only surround themselves with girls with BBL and all this stuff and they say they and you know so you have

guys commenting on thing how do they end up with that video in the first place period you know what I mean like great point they're more upset that they know they could never get with you exct I feel like it's a more like anger thing

think of the nicest guy you know who's a generally good guy who's not judging you based off your BBL or something like that is it a bonus to have dated somebody who has had plastic surgery he may be attracted he may date he may even

marry but I don't ever think a guy is thinking hell yeah she got a rhinoplasty or like job is really whated this relationship well like makes her hotter yeah if it makes you more attractive like I don't think a guy cares about

like literally he wants the surgery he just wants the outcome of the surgery you know I I mean I completely agree with you in terms of the outcome like I'm thinking of a very specific couple they were very happy prior to her having

a boob job and that's fine but then when she was like Hey I'm going to do that he was like perfect can I help pick the size what is it going to feel like this is so exciting and like he loved her

before but it definitely was a bonus for him he's like I love you doing what this like what you're doing as long as I get to touch them and that's why I say disagree too because look at you you can

look at the the statistics with with with PornHub and all these things it's it's usually marry men who are getting caught you know and those are the ones who are with the the natural non surged woman but then they're doing what

they're doing you know to the BBL girl celebrities should always be transparent about their cosmetic proced procedures I think because they're celebrities and in the spotlight and very much influencing a wide variety of Ages and people that they need to be just honest about what

they're doing and why because they're they're putting an example on the culture and especially young people that's not to say if the Cosmetic procedure is something that was like reconstructive or internal and it's not like an aesthetic thing that was like

you know they were in an accident or you know something like the young child she talked about with the labia um that doesn't need to be spoken about you know that's super private and totally unnecessary I think unless it's like an

actual interview that's highlighting that for whatever reason to empower people on that subject when I hear should I think of the very like philosophical should right like I'm kind of taking the ethical stance where I'm like I think that it is the proper

ethics for people who are in a position to influence the masses to be honest and open when they know that not being could be detrimental now if they don't do I think they're the worst person in the world no we can't force celebrities just

cuz you're a celebrity they don't technically owe us anything when I see celebrities and they're on the older side or even vice versa when they have body work done I question whether or not they got that through hard work or

they're just genetically like that and what do I have to do to achieve that and I start internalizing things and my insecurities start coming out I'm like why can't I look like that I've been hip thrusting 500 lb in the gym and I don't

have a booty like cardi B you know what I mean like it's like you can work so hard but your genetics only take you so far and then with aging like botox and things like that I'll start thinking oh

my gosh I look so ugly there's something wrong with me because I'm not aging gracefully nowadays like seeing celebrities if they talk about what Botox or things that they've gotten done and it can help me understand oh this is

what they did and I could just pay to play kind of thing instead of have to worry wonder what's wrong with my genetic like suction for example um I had an eating disorder growing up and that's kind of what fueled my social

media originally and a lot of girls are starving themselves to get the tiniest waste possible because I think that's how they did it also like if we're all going to assume that you have it done then why lie like who cares

yeah we got we got chairs people and in patients in particular have a right to privacy and confidentiality so there's no onus on you to tell us exactly what's been done even if you're a celebrity my preference is that you don't lie that you don't say

I am natural or I I haven't undergone any cosmetic surgeries my preference is also that you don't try to sell me something like the Kardashians were doing the the tummy teas and then you have Fitness influencers as you were

talking about selling you glute programs and all this stuff so JLo with her olive oil exactly you don't have to tell me all the different things you got done that is between you and your doctor just don't try to sell me this false reality

that you're natural yes she said that's between me and my patient no because it's true I mean there's there's there's actual confidentiality laws I mean we we can't out anyone and I know a lot of um celebrities have been brought up here

none of us know what if they've had anything done none of us know I mean we can say we think we know but we don't know but again I've treated uh tons of normal people and tons of celebrities

and it is 100% private and I would never obligate them to speak up about their own personal procedures that they've had done it's actually law that they have the right to that PR and I think the only people that you can

um uh hold accountable is yourself to blame a celebrity and have the the sole responsibility on a celebrity to um out themselves and make justify make you feel secure um and make sure and and expose himself for you how

can you even ask how can you even ask that I have a question for you actually as a plastic surgeon because I go on YouTube and I see uh these very videos of plastic surgeons breaking down celebrity faces and letting the public

know what they've got done do you think that that's ethical given that they're part of that relation I think it's dumb um if you never want to have a celebrity patient go ahead and do that I was on a panel with someone who

has 1.2 million followers on an Instagram account where all they're doing is outing celebrities and I can guarantee you they have zero celebrity patients I think it's very entertaining I think everyone wants the tea and everyone wants to know what the scoop is

but as a person actually treating these people I would never do that and that's why again I brought up like we don't know what these people have had done so let's you know we can say you know we've

been influenced by them and certainly they've set some beauty trends but you know no I don't want to say it's necessarily like I look at a celebrity online like oh my God how do I get that done like if I don't look like them I'm

so insecure that's not where it comes from but I just think I'm like I said like I'm a weirdly open book and I'm a little maybe too forward sometimes like I'll look at somebody and one of my friends I'm like oh my god did you get

your teeth done and like I know that's like super you shouldn't be doing that but I'm just like oh they look good like where like send me the tea bestie like that's just how I am but I don't think

should they be obligated to like obviously have to no but should you like yeah why lie so with that everyone thank you for your honesty thank you for sharing today I feel like we found some Middle Ground today this was

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