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It’s almost kind of like a blank canvas with some, like, some texture. I do see a white dot there, but I don’t know if that’s supposed to be there.
Explores why all-white paintings are valued in museums, their minimalist roots, and how viewers interpret them beyond surface simplicity.
Key Takeaways
- Minimalist white paintings are valued for their conceptual depth and subtle complexity, not just visual content.
- Art can be appreciated as an object itself rather than a representation of something else.
- Viewer interpretation is central to the experience of minimalist art, making all responses valid.
- Initial dismissal of minimalist art may overlook its intellectual and emotional rewards.
- Modern art often challenges traditional notions of skill by emphasizing ideas and viewer engagement.
Summary
- All-white paintings, like Robert Ryman’s 'Bridge,' can sell for millions despite appearing simple.
- These works trace back to Kazimir Malevich’s 1918 'White on White' and are linked to the minimalist art movement.
- Minimalism emerged as a rejection of abstract expressionism’s emotional and gestural style.
- Minimalist art emphasizes order, simplicity, and the art object as independent from the artist’s personal expression.
- White paint is not uniform; it contains subtle variations in hue, texture, and pattern that require close observation.
- Minimalist art challenges viewers to engage intellectually and emotionally, often provoking strong reactions.
- Interpretations of minimalist works are subjective and valid, encouraging personal reflection.
- White paintings act like Rorschach tests, allowing viewers to project their own emotions and ideas.
- Negative initial reactions can be opportunities for deeper understanding of both the artwork and oneself.
- Modern art often prioritizes concept over technical skill, requiring viewers to bring their own ideas to the experience.
Chapters
- 00:00Introduction to White Paintings and Robert Ryman’s Bridge
- 00:29Origins and Artists of White Paintings
- 00:53Expert Insight: Elisabeth Sherman on White Paintings
- 01:51The Complexity Behind White Paints and Minimalism
- 03:06Minimalism’s Focus on the Art Object, Not the Artist
- 04:06Public Reactions and Controversies Around Minimalist Art
- 04:51Engaging with Minimalist Art: Interpretation and Emotional Response
- 05:51Conclusion: The Value of Minimalist Art and Viewer Reflection
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Speaker A
It looks like something I would cook on, like a baking sheet. Could be a lot of flies stuck to a bit of paper.
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Yeah, ’cause I would put this down on my floor, my floor tiles. These people are describing Robert Ryman’s painting “Bridge.” It sold for $20.6 million at a Christie’s auction in 2015.
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How is an all-white painting considered art, and why would anyone shell out millions for something like this?
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There are a lot of these “white paintings.” Many people trace them back to Kazimir Malevich’s 1918 work “White on White.” But there are many artists who created these kinds of paintings: Most of these artists were associated with an art movement
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called minimalism, which emerged in the late 1950s. When I say the minimalists, I mean minimalism with a capital M, not a lowercase.
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This is Elisabeth Sherman. She’s an assistant curator at the Whitney Museum in New York.
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It’s tempting to look at one of these paintings and think that some jerk just took a tube of white paint and spread it on a canvas — but it’s not actually that easy.
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I mean, mine rules, obviously, because I’m a f****** genius, but there’s usually a lot more than meets the eye.
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White isn't really a pure thing. White is always tinted in some way. Paint is made up of a variety of pigments.
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If you've ever painted the walls of your house, you know how many different whites there are to choose from.
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And maybe if you only look at one, it looks like pure white, but when you hold them up in an array, you can see the subtle differences.
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It's blue, it's green, it's purple, it's warm, it's cold. And when you get close— HEY!
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Not too close, there’s a lot going on here. Lines, texture, patterns, even color. There are a lot of subtle intricacies that make it more than “just a white canvas.” Minimalist artists wanted their work to embody order, simplicity, and harmony.
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These artists began with these ideas as a rejection of abstract expressionism. Abstract expressionism was a movement of artists in the 1940s and 50s who thought that art should be gestural, expressive, and emotional, evoking the unconscious mind through movement and color.
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So if we think about Jackson Pollock as being kind of the abstract expressionist that many people think of, you can take that picture of him with the canvas on the floor of his studio spilling paints everywhere, and it's his gesture, it's his physical body, it's his arm, it's who he is as a person
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that's creating that canvas, that painting. Minimalists weren’t about that. All that paint splashing everywhere?
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No thanks. There was a lot of desire to get away from that sensibility where the individual's expression was put into the canvas.
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The idea was that the art object — be it sculpture or painting or installation — should kind of be as far removed from the author as possible.
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You can see what she means when you compare the two schools of art. Okay, you get it.
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Minimalist artists stripped art of the burden of being about “something else.” They presented art not as an imitation of reality but as an object unto itself.
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Artist Frank Stella summed it up nicely when he said, One of my favorite things about modern art is the rage that it seems to provoke in some people.
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Cue videos of men freaking out: I’m not gonna sit there and try to find a meaning in a red circle on a blank white canvas, ’cause I’m not gonna find any meaning.
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I may not understand art, but I do understand the English language, and that's pretentious nonsense.
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Did you see the painting that was just a white painting that had nothing on it?
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It’s like super pretentious meets uber pretentious. Modern art sets. people. off. And believe me when I say that I am here for it.
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But with modern art, by definition, every interpretation is genuine and legitimate and okay. Or not, how about not?
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I love it. There’s even an entire play about a group of lifelong friends who are torn apart when one of them buys an all-white painting for $200,000.
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With a very kind of absent blank painting, you have to do a lot more work in some ways than maybe you have to do with, let's say, pop art that has tons of obvious references and you see the Coca-Cola or the American flag
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and you can say, I have all of these relationships with these objects, with these brands, with these things.
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When you're looking at simply a square of white paint, you have to do a lot more work, but sometimes there maybe is something more rewarding in the end.
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Another common reaction to modern art, specifically minimalist pieces like white paintings, is, c’mon, say it with me now, Almost no matter what show I've worked on in my career somebody has said that.
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While there is a lot of skill in a lot of modern and contemporary art, there's also a lot of art that is more about the idea than it is about skill.
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And so yes, you could do it, but you didn't. Damn Elisabeth. And that may sound obnoxious or flip, but the reality is that once art begins to live just as much in the mind as it does in the eye,
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you have to bring your ideas as well as your physical construction of the work.
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White paintings are a fascinating kind of Rorschach test. They offer viewers an ambiguous, I’m so sorry, but, canvas to project their own interpretations, emotions, beliefs, and stories onto.
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So if looking at a white painting makes you feel angry or excited or soothed, those are all valid responses.
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But take a moment to think about why that was your response. It's very easy to be dismissive of things that we’re not immediately attracted to.
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So if you have a kind of negative gut reaction, one of defensiveness or fear or anxiety or rejection, maybe try to move past that and see what's available afterwards.
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And it doesn't have to change your mind, but it's sometimes the process of working through that reaction that you learn the most about the work but also about yourself.
Topics:minimalismwhite paintingsmodern artRobert RymanKazimir Malevichabstract expressionismart interpretationart criticismcontemporary artart history
