Speaker A
In September 1949, a magazine published a very strange legend that took place in the state of California.
Leyenda de los Hav-Musuvs, un pueblo intraterrestre del Valle de la Muerte con tecnología aérea ancestral y vínculos con culturas indígenas.
Key Takeaways
- Los Hav-Musuvs representan una civilización intraterrestre con tecnología aérea avanzada en tiempos antiguos.
- Las leyendas indígenas de América y otras regiones comparten relatos de naves voladoras y seres misteriosos.
- Las tradiciones orales pueden contener vestigios de conocimientos históricos y tecnológicos olvidados.
- El Valle de la Muerte fue un ecosistema muy diferente en el pasado, con un gran lago y ciudades ocultas.
- La combinación de criptozoología y ufología ayuda a interpretar relatos ancestrales sobre fenómenos inexplicables.
Summary
- En 1949 se publicó una leyenda sobre un pueblo llamado Hav-Musuvs en el Valle de la Muerte, California, antes de la llegada europea.
- Los Hav-Musuvs habitaron una ciudad oculta en cavernas de las montañas Panamint cuando el valle era un lago azul y fértil.
- Este pueblo usaba grandes barcos de remo y luego desarrolló canoas voladoras con alas y movimientos similares a águilas.
- Los Hav-Musuvs tenían armas avanzadas: un tubo que aturdía y otro que causaba la muerte inmediata.
- Eran descritos como personas de piel dorada, cabello largo y vestimenta blanca, viviendo en paz lejos de conflictos tribales.
- Un jefe Paiute visitó su ciudad subterránea, aprendió su idioma e historia, y regresó para compartir conocimientos con su pueblo.
- La leyenda conecta con tradiciones similares de otras culturas indígenas en EE.UU., Groenlandia y Australia sobre naves voladoras antiguas.
- Se mencionan figuras precolombinas de Colombia que podrían representar antiguos aviones, apoyando la idea de tecnología avanzada ancestral.
- El relato mezcla criptozoología, ufología y mitología indígena para explicar fenómenos inexplicables en la antigüedad.
- El valle llamado 'Tomesha' por los Paiutes significa 'La Tierra Ardiente', reflejando el cambio climático que transformó el paisaje.
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Speaker A
Apparently, this story occurred in times so ancient that that state was very different from what is known today, many hundreds of years before the first Europeans arrived in those lands.
Speaker A
The article was titled "Tribal Memories of the Flying Saucers".
Speaker A
And it tells that in the vicinity of the Panamint Mountains, in Death Valley, which would have been a lush valley, a town of singular characteristics was hidden.
Speaker A
The following account came from an old Navajo, known as Oga-Make, who shared a tribal secret that he learned from the Paiute people who inhabited the Mojave Desert in California.
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"Most of you who read this are probably white men of a blood only a century or two out of Europe. You speak in your papers of the Flying Saucers or Mystery Ships as something new, and strangely typical of the twentieth century. How could you but think otherwise? Yet if you had red skin, and were of a blood which had been born and bred of the land for untold thousands of years, you would know this is not true.
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You would know that your ancestors living in these mountains and upon these prairies for numberless generations, had seen these ships before, and had passed down the story in the legends which are the unwritten history of your people.
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"The old chief looked like a wrinkled mummy as he sat there puffing upon his pipe. Yet his eyes were not those of the unseeing, but eyes which seemed to look back on long trails of time. His people had held the Inyo, Panamint and Death Valleys for untold centuries before the coming of the white-man. Now we sat in the Valley which white-man named for Death, but which the Paiute calls Tomesha - The Flaming Land.
Speaker A
"We, the Paiute Nation, have known of these ships for untold generations. We also believe that we know something of the people who fly them. They are called The Hav-musuvs. Who are the Hav-musuvs? They are a people of the Panamints, and they are as ancient as Tomesha itself.
Speaker A
"When the world was young, and this valley which is now dry, parched desert, was a lush, hidden harbor of a blue water- sea which stretched from half way up those mountains to the Gulf of California, it is said that the Hav-musuvs came here in huge rowing-ships. They found great caverns in the Panamints, and in them they built one of their cities.
Speaker A
"Living in their hidden city, the Hav-musuvs ruled the sea with their fast rowing-ships, trading with far-away peoples and bringing strange goods to the great quays said still to exist in the caverns.
Speaker A
"Then as untold centuries rolled past, the climate began to change. The water in the lake went down until there was no longer a way to the sea. First the way was broken only by the southern mountains, over the tops of which goods could be carried.
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But as time went by, the water continued to shrink, until the day came when only a dry crust was all that remained of the great blue lake. Then the desert came, and the Fire-God began to walk across Tomesha, The Flaming-Land.
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"When the Hav-musuvs could no longer use their great rowing-ships, they began to think of other means to reach the world beyond. I suppose that is how it happened. We know that they began to use flying canoes. At first they were not large, these silvery ships with wings. They moved with a slight whirring sound, and a dipping movement, like an eagle.
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"The passing centuries brought other changes. Tribe after tribe swept across the land, fighting to possess it for awhile and passing like the storm of sand.
Speaker A
In their mountain city still in the caverns, the Hav-musuvs dwelt in peace, far removed from the conflict.
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Sometimes they were seen in the distance, in their flying ships or riding on the snowy-white animals which took them from ledge to ledge up the cliffs. We have never seen these strange animals at any other place.
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To these people the passing centuries brought only larger and larger ships, moving always more silently.
Speaker A
"Yes. These strange people have weapons. One is a small tube which stuns one with a prickly feeling like a rain of cactus needles. One cannot move for hours, and during this time the mysterious ones vanish up the cliffs. The other weapon is deadly. It is a long, silvery tube. When this is pointed at you, death follows immediately.
Speaker A
"They are a beautiful people. Their skin is a golden tint, and a head band holds back their long dark hair. They dress always in a white fine-spun garment which wraps around them and is draped upon one shoulder. Pale sandals are worn upon their feet.
Speaker A
Once, in a past not so distant, but many generations before the arrival of the Spaniards, a Paiute chief lost his girlfriend to sudden death. In his overwhelming grief, he thought of the Hav-musuvs and these long tubes of death.
Speaker A
He wished to join her, so he said goodbye to his grieving people and set off in search of the Hav-musuvs. None appeared until the chief began to climb the almost unscaleable Panamints.
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Then one of the men in white appeared suddenly before him with the long tube, and motioned him back.
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The chief made signs that he wished to die, and came on.
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The man in white made a long singing whistle and other Hav-musuvs appeared.
Speaker A
They spoke together in a strange tongue and then regarded the chief thought- fully.
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Finally they made signs to him making him understand that they would take him with them.
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"Many weeks after his people had mourned him for dead, the Paiute chief came back to his camp. He had been in the giant underground valley of the Hav-musuvs, he said, where white lights which burn night and day and never go out, or need any fuel, lit an ancient city of marble beauty.
Speaker A
There he learned the language and the history of the mysterious people, giving them in turn the language and legends of the Paiutes.
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He said that he would have liked to remain there forever in the peace and beauty of their life, but they bade him return and use his new knowledge for his people.
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Beyond the mysterious individuals who made up the Hav-musuvs people, the story told by this old Native American granted some characteristics that are not typical of that region of the world.
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One of these characteristics has to do with those strange flying vehicles that this advanced tribe implemented in very ancient times to move from one place to another, some of which were described as having wings and eagle-like movements.
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In the United States, the Hopi Indians of the southwest of that country have a similar tradition of people who made a "patuwvota" which soared through the sky.
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On this, many of them flew to attack a great city.
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Soon others from many nations were making "patuwvotas" and flew to attack one another.
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In Greenland, an island in the Arctic Ocean, it has been reported that at the beginning of time, some Inuit tribes were flown from Central Asia to the far north, on board gigantic birds made of metal.
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In Australia, an Arnhem Land Aboriginal legend speaks of a great silver bird which landed upon a plateau to lay a big silver egg out of which the first tribesmen hatched. They were white-skinned.
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In the Queensland region, ancient Aboriginal legends tell how people in large ships like birds (the bird-headed prows of the old Phoenician triremes?) sailed into Gympie (now 34 miles inland), dug holes in the hills, erected the "sacred mountain" and interbred with local inhabitants.
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Also noteworthy are various pre-Columbian gold figures, found near the Otún River in Colombia. These figures are popularly known as the Quimbaya artifacts.
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Initially they were presented as zoomorphic figures, as if they were a combination of birds and fish.
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Later, it began to be suggested that the ancient inhabitants would have tried to represent aircraft.
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The characteristics of these figures are more mechanical than biological. Experts at the Aeronautical Institute of New York concur that it does not represent any known type of winged creature, and that they appear to be a model of an ancient jet aircraft.
Speaker A
The book also tells an ancient legend that in several aspects, may recall that of the Hav-musuvs and their strange ships.
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The following account came from Canada, through a member of a totemic cult, and documented in turn by an ethnologist. Canadian Indians tell of the ancient times when "demons came and made slaves of our people and sent the young to die among the rocks and below the ground (mining?).
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But then arrived the thunderbird, and our people were freed.
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We learned about the marvellous cities of the thunderbird, which were beyond the big lakes and rivers to the South.
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Many of our people left us and saw these shining cities and witnessed the grand homes and the mystery of men who flew upon the skies. But then the demons returned, and there was terrible destruction.
Speaker A
These ancient accounts seem to suggest that a very recurrent character would be involved in these mysterious aircraft, not only in Native American legends, but also closely linked to cryptozoology.
Speaker A
The Thunderbird, or thunderbird, although there are different variants of the Thunderbird legend, one of the most widespread is that of a gigantic bird capable of causing lightning and thunder.
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But in many of these legends, this character has been benevolent with humans. The Thunderbird was believed to be the source of the rain, the lightening and the thunder.
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Rain fell from a lake that the great bird carried on his back. The lightening came from his eyes as he blinked, or, lightening bolts were shot to the earth from a mighty bow he fashioned with his wings. The thunderclap came from the beating of his great wings.
Speaker A
The rolling thunder was from the wings of the young Thunderbirds. The Sioux believed that where lightening bolts struck the ground, medicine stones were formed.
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These stones were thought to have great magic and were highly valued by the Medicine Men of the Tribes.
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Another article states that the characteristics of Thunderbirds may have variations depending on the American Indian tribe, but some characteristics appear to be common.
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Thunderbirds are portrayed as large birds of prey so strong that they can lift a whale out of the ocean.
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Thunderbirds are often associated with the weather—they have enormous wings that produce thunder when they flap, and they are able to shoot lightning, which in some stories is said to emanate from their eyes or from lightning snakes that the Thunderbird carries as weapons.
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The description of the Thunderbird in these last accounts are usually the most recognized variants, and in general their fabulous characteristics are taken by many people as nothing more than absurd and unfounded exaggerations.
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But perhaps this is not so.
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It is probable that many of the legends about the Thunderbird do not really describe birds, nor any other kind of animal.
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What the ancient Native American peoples saw as gigantic birds would have actually been flying artifacts, and the lightning or thunder they emitted would have tried to describe advanced technology weapons.
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These hypothetical aircraft, shaped like birds, or Thunderbirds, according to the mentioned accounts, would have been harmless to human beings, and the main means of transport for peoples with advanced knowledge, such as the Hav-musuvs.
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The aircraft described in this and other accounts provide an idea of how the image of these vehicles has probably been sustained over time, until it was included in later stories, and linked today with cryptozoology, as is the case of the Thunderbird legend.
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Regarding the strange white animals that this tribe used to move around on land, perhaps they belonged to some species of wild goat, like the white goat, native to western North America.
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It is possible that that people had bred in captivity very large specimens of goats, as if they were cattle. The legend describes the Hav-musuvs as an intraterrestrial people, provided with all kinds of technologies.
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But their current existence or the exact location of their presumed cities, continue to be a complete enigma.
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But who were really the builders of those presumed ancient aircraft, and what was their origin and destiny?
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In some region of Death Valley, there may be a point to access and document possible evidence that some ancestral, but advanced people, really settled in that place.
Topics:Hav-MusuvsValle de la Muerteintraterrestresleyendas indígenascanoas voladorascriptozoologíaufologíacultura Paiutetecnología ancestralnaves antiguas
