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Dr. Michael Shermer explains how the human brain forms beliefs, distinguishes true from false patterns, and the importance of skepticism.

Key Takeaways

  • Humans are naturally inclined to form beliefs by seeking patterns and meaning.
  • Distinguishing true from false patterns requires critical thinking and scientific testing.
  • Many false beliefs stem from the brain’s tendency to impose meaning where none exists.
  • Skepticism requires awareness of biases, evidence evaluation, and willingness to change beliefs.
  • Science plays a crucial role in converting belief into knowledge.

Summary

  • Dr. Michael Shermer discusses the concept of the believing brain, describing humans as pattern-seeking and storytelling animals.
  • Beliefs are formed by infusing observed patterns with meaning, which helps us make sense of the world.
  • Humans are hardwired to believe, which is an efficient but not always accurate cognitive process.
  • Knowledge differs from belief by requiring justified true belief supported by evidence and reason.
  • True patterns exist in the world, while false patterns are imposed by the brain, such as seeing faces in clouds.
  • Critical thinking and scientific testing help distinguish true patterns from false ones.
  • Common false patterns include conspiracy theories and paranormal beliefs, which arise from the brain's attempt to find meaning.
  • The brain’s natural credulity requires effort to be skeptical and question beliefs.
  • Becoming more skeptical involves awareness of biases, critical evaluation of evidence, and openness to changing beliefs.
  • The discussion emphasizes the importance of revising beliefs when evidence contradicts them.

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Speaker A
I'm here with Dr. Michael Shermer, who is the founding publisher of Skeptic Magazine, and also a monthly columnist for Scientific American.
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Speaker A
He's the author of many books, including The Believing Brain.
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And we're going to talk about the believing brain today.
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Speaker A
Michael, thanks for being here.
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Speaker B
Thanks for having me.
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Speaker A
So, what is the believing brain?
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Speaker B
The believing brain is the idea that we are belief engines.
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We're pattern-seeking, storytelling animals.
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We look for patterns in nature, and then we infuse them with meaning.
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And that meaning is what we call a belief, and then we tell stories about those beliefs.
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And that's how we make sense of the world.
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Speaker A
So, we're hardwired to believe.
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Speaker B
We are hardwired to believe.
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It's a fundamental part of our cognitive architecture.
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It's how we evolved to make sense of a very complex world.
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And it's a very efficient way to do it, but it's not always accurate.
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So, what's the difference between belief and knowledge?
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Well, knowledge is justified true belief.
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So, a belief is just something you hold to be true.
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Knowledge is when you have evidence and reason to support that belief.
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And that's where science comes in.
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So, we're constantly looking for patterns.
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Constantly.
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And we're constantly looking for meaning in those patterns.
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And sometimes the patterns are real, and sometimes they're not.
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And that's where we get into trouble with things like superstitions.
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So, what's the difference between a true pattern and a false pattern?
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A true pattern is one that's actually there in the world.
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A false pattern is one that we impose on the world.
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So, for example, if you see a face in the clouds, that's a false pattern.
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If you see a face in a rock formation, that's a false pattern.
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But if you see a pattern of cause and effect, like if I drop this pen, it falls.
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That's a true pattern.
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So, how do we distinguish between the two?
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That's where critical thinking and science come in.
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We have to test our beliefs against reality.
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We have to see if they're actually true.
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And if they're not, then we have to revise our beliefs.
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So, what are some of the common false patterns that people believe in?
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Well, a lot of conspiracy theories are based on false patterns.
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People see connections where there are none.
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They see agents behind events that are just random.
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Also, a lot of paranormal beliefs are based on false patterns.
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People see ghosts or UFOs when there's a perfectly natural explanation.
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So, it's our brain trying to make sense of things.
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Speaker B
Exactly.
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Our brain is a meaning-making machine.
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It wants to find meaning in everything, even when there isn't any.
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And that's why we're so susceptible to these things.
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That's right.
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We're naturally credulous, we're naturally believing.
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And it takes effort to be skeptical and to question our beliefs.
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So, how can we become more skeptical?
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Well, the first step is to be aware of our own biases.
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We all have them, and they can influence what we believe.
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The second step is to look for evidence and to evaluate it critically.
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Don't just accept things at face value.
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And the third step is to be open to changing your mind.
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If the evidence contradicts your beliefs, then you should change them.
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Speaker A
That's a great message.
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Speaker A
Michael, thank you so much.
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Speaker B
My pleasure.
Topics:believing brainpattern recognitionbelief vs knowledgecritical thinkingskepticismfalse patternsconspiracy theoriesparanormal beliefsMichael Shermerscience and belief

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the believing brain?

The believing brain is the concept that humans are naturally pattern-seeking and storytelling animals who form beliefs by infusing observed patterns with meaning.

How can we distinguish between true and false patterns?

We distinguish true from false patterns by using critical thinking and scientific testing to verify if the patterns actually exist in reality.

What steps can help someone become more skeptical?

To become more skeptical, one should be aware of personal biases, critically evaluate evidence, and remain open to changing beliefs when contradicted by evidence.

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