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Whatever else happens from this day forward
Nicolle Wallace discusses ICE's brutal actions against American citizens and calls for accountability and reform of DHS and ICE.
Key Takeaways
- ICE's actions have caused severe physical and psychological harm to American citizens, including children.
- There is bipartisan recognition of the need to reform or dismantle DHS and ICE due to systemic abuses.
- ICE and DHS have lost public trust by acting as oppressive forces rather than law enforcement.
- The treatment of detainees and immigrants reflects broader violations of constitutional and human rights.
- Accountability and transparency are urgently needed to prevent further abuses by immigration enforcement agencies.
Summary
- First-hand testimonies reveal ICE's violent and brutal treatment of American citizens, including physical and psychological trauma.
- Congressman Joaquin Castro highlights the trauma faced by detained children and efforts to reunite families.
- The Trump administration's policies, led by figures like Stephen Miller, are described as a mass deportation machine causing widespread harm.
- Former DHS Chief of Staff Miles Taylor criticizes ICE and DHS for acting as oppressive forces rather than protecting homeland security.
- The involvement of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in arrests of journalists raises concerns about misuse of investigative agencies.
- Michael Feinberg, former FBI agent, condemns DHS for state-sanctioned cruelty and calls for dismantling and restructuring the department.
- The video emphasizes that ICE's actions affect all Americans, not just immigrants or asylum seekers.
- There is a growing mainstream political consensus on the need to reform or dismantle DHS due to pervasive corruption and abuse.
- The testimonies underscore the violation of constitutional and human rights by ICE and DHS.
- The discussion includes a rare positive story of a child, Liam Ramos, being reunited with his family after ICE's abusive tactics.
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in the effort to cover and hold accountable Donald Trump
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and his cabinet.
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The individuals who testified before today gave us something we've never had before.
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First-hand witness accounts
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of well, let's quote them.
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of an attempt to quote, be executed by my own government.
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The testimony came from Marimar Martinez.
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or by Alia Raman, who gave us our first testimony of how
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detainees inside the Whipple building are described.
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Quote, they're bringing in bodies.
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Quote, there's a body in there already. We need another room for this body.
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Martin Daniel Rascon, the last individual testifying there,
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describing the scene.
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Weapons and armored trucks outside his house.
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Night vision goggles, guns pointed at them.
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Quote, pure terror.
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for his family.
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All of them US citizens.
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So, if you think this story is a story about something happening far away.
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If you think that what ICE is doing doesn't affect you or couldn't affect you.
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If you think you can drive into an intersection as Alia did
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and was quote, cut out of her car with a knife thrown onto her face.
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You're wrong.
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Stories about all of us.
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All this is being done in our name to other American citizens.
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Joining our coverage, former Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the FBI,
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National and National Security and Intelligence Analyst Michael Feinberg's here.
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He's also a fellow at Lawfare.
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Also joining us, former DHS Chief of Staff during Donald Trump's first term as President,
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Miles Taylor's here.
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And immigration correspondent for NPR, Jasmine Garr is here.
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She is just back from reporting on the ground in Minneapolis.
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We're also joined by Democratic Congressman Joaquin Castro of Texas.
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Congressman, I want to start with you.
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You're here to talk about efforts to return
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Liam Ramos to his family, a five-year-old boy used as bait to try to entrap his mother
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who was inside his house.
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a good news story in a sea of so much horror.
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Yeah, it was wonderful to be able to take him and his father back to Minnesota
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from rural Texas, from Dilly, Texas.
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But his story is just one of hundreds of children who are in detention right now,
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including a two-month-old baby who's been there for several days.
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And kids of all ages who are suffering incredible trauma.
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And the testimony that we just heard talks about the brutality,
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the physical brutality that we're seeing from ICE on the streets.
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But there is also a physical and psychological brutality
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going on inside detention centers.
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leaving scars for kids that will last them a lifetime.
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The judge was scathing in his rebuke of the seizing of Liam Ramos and his father.
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He was also able to tell a story about the traumatic damage that ICE is doing to children.
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What is your sense of why that damage is seen so clearly by this judge in this case,
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hasn't been able to stop the practice of detaining children and keeping them in these conditions?
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I think that Donald Trump and Stephen Miller and others in the administration are determined to carry out
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this very brutal, often unconstitutional deportation,
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mass deportation machine.
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And for the American people, they're seeing what's going on in the streets.
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And I think that with the murder of Alex Pretty, for example,
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it shocked the conscience.
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And the story of Liam Conejo Ramos also shocked the conscience
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and captured the attention of the country and the world
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about what's going on.
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But yeah, I mean, we're there are more people out there who are suffering.
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And those of us that believe this is wrong, whether you're a Republican or Democrat,
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need to continue to fight this system right now.
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I ask this question the day that Renee Nicole Good was killed.
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If this is how American citizens are being treated in broad daylight with dozens, sometimes hundreds of people watching,
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what is your best answer to how asylum seekers and immigrants and migrants are being treated
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without cameras and without accountability and without scrutiny inside detention centers?
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I think that there are people that are being brutalized,
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that are being physically hurt and also psychologically damaged.
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It is a very vicious system that is set up right now
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and that they're carrying out.
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And I do think that we're going to look back upon this time as a shameful period
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in American history where we let our guard down in terms of protecting people's constitutional and human rights.
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Congressman Joaquin Castro, thank you for the work that you did with your colleagues
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to bring Liam Ramos back as as we said at the top.
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sort of a rare, a rare good news, good guys winning story.
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Thank you for your role in that and for joining us to talk about it.
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Thank you.
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Miles Taylor, I I was going to ask you what this agency was
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that showed up at Martin Daniel Rascon's house.
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HSI, Homeland Security Investigators.
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Why would all those units have been at his home?
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It's a great question, Nicole.
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It's a question we're going to be asking.
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DHS has now taken this investigative agency within ICE,
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Homeland Security Investigations, HSI,
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and turned it into another arm of the administration's oppression.
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In fact, I will add a data point in here, Nicole.
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A lot of people didn't notice this, but in the reporting
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about the arrest of reporter Don Lemon,
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it wasn't just the FBI that was there.
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It was HSI.
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What on earth is an investigative agency that's supposed to be focused on foreign threats
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doing, helping to arrest American journalists?
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And you and I talked about this a little bit the other day.
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I think you can say in all seriousness that DHS is now spending more time,
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more effort and more money undermining US Homeland Security than protecting it.
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And the trust, of course, because of all of these incidents has evaporated in the agency.
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And for good reason.
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They have destroyed the reputation, whatever was left of it, not just of the agency ICE,
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but of the whole of the department.
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And as you and I talked about before, I think for that reason it can no longer exist.
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Not in this form, not without accountability, not without measures to prevent them
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from acting like a lawless secret police.
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So, I I I think, Nicole, the only silver lining here is that is now a realization
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that's not no longer a fringe realization in American politics.
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That's a mainstream position.
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It's a mainstream position now that because of this, we've got to deconstruct that department
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and reconstruct it.
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It's gotten that bad and I can't listen to testimony like you played at the top of the show
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and think there's any other path.
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Yeah, I mean, an American citizen testifying to this, Michael Feinberg, quote,
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my own government tried to execute me.
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She was shot five times.
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She described her injuries.
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She described her disfigurement.
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She described how even with all of that trauma, physical and mental, she knows that Alex Pretty and Renee Nicole Good
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would would trade places to be back with their loved ones.
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We have, we have a a body count.
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in terms of the number of American citizens who have paid with their lives for exercising their First Amendment rights.
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Yeah, the thing that struck me the most about the testimony which we just heard
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is that those victims of ICE were able to understand and articulate
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a greater understanding of the ideals and promises upon which this country was founded
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than I've ever heard come out of Christie Gnome's mouth
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or out of Stephen Miller's mouth.
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I am as resolutely pro law enforcement as they come.
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I carried a badge and a gun for most of my adult career.
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But I want to echo what Miles said as he was speaking.
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We have gotten to the point where the rot at DHS is so pervasive
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and so deep into the structure of the organization
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that I think we need to have a very serious, very sober conversation as a nation
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about how in the long term we dismantle this department.
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Because what they are doing is nothing that I or any of my former colleagues would recognize as law enforcement.
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What they are doing is simply meeting out state-sanctioned barbarism and cruelty.
Topics:ICEDHSimmigration enforcementhuman rightsTrump administrationdetention centersimmigration reformNicolle WallaceMichael FeinbergMiles Taylor
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