Because the chair has to represent the conversation, so on my show, which is kind of like having a difficult conversation with your parents about something.
The aesthetic we've chosen is a bit gothic, a bit cold, it's silver, it's steel, and the chairs are like kitchen table chairs that you're like very upright, not that comfortable.
But when I was in Manchester and I was 18 years old and I was dreaming about starting a business, he was the only young black man in the UK that hadn't come from money.
And so when I was 18, 19, 20 years old, I was on Skype desperately trying to get Jamal's attention and desperately trying to ask him questions about business.
It was these guys that in my second year of Dragon's Den that taught me that if you, what you should really be investing in is people with life force energy.
And so when I heard she was based in Huddersfield, and I, I felt that the best chance your business would have would be to be based in London and to have some space and a warehouse, etcetera.