**Why Zelenskyy says there’s no ‘win-win’ with Russia  | Canadian exclusive — Transcript & Summary | SozAI**
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Zelenskyy discusses the challenges of peace with Russia, emphasizing no 'win-win' in war and the need for strong US support and security guarantees.

## Key Takeaways

- There is no mutually beneficial outcome in the current war between Ukraine and Russia.
- Strong international support, especially from the US, is crucial for Ukraine's defense and diplomatic efforts.
- Security guarantees are essential to ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and prevent further Russian occupation.
- Direct negotiations with Russia are difficult but necessary to achieve peace.
- Ukraine faces both external military threats and internal political challenges amid the conflict.

## What the video covers

- President Zelenskyy stresses there is no 'win-win' outcome in the war with Russia due to heavy human losses.
- He highlights the ongoing Russian provocations, including drone incursions into Moldova, Romania, and Germany.
- Zelenskyy insists any response to Russian aggression must involve destroying military instruments on sovereign territory.
- He emphasizes the necessity of US involvement and stronger sanctions to pressure Russia.
- Zelenskyy is open to a ceasefire without conditions if Russia agrees, but doubts Russia's willingness to negotiate in good faith.
- He expresses skepticism about US priorities and the idea of Ukraine conceding territory to Russia.
- Zelenskyy acknowledges the difficulty of negotiating directly with Putin but sees it as necessary for peace.
- He discusses the importance of security guarantees to prevent future Russian aggression.
- Zelenskyy reflects on the complexities of international diplomacy and the need for trust between Ukraine and its allies.
- The video also touches on Ukraine's internal political challenges and ongoing military efforts.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Zelenskyy on ending the war
2. 00:39 Russian drone incursions and international reactions
3. 01:47 Responses to Russian provocations and intelligence insights
4. 02:41 Challenges of making peace and US involvement
5. 03:27 Sanctions and US support for Ukraine
6. 04:19 Ceasefire possibilities and diplomatic efforts
7. 05:08 No win-win scenario and diplomatic discussions
8. 05:54 Concerns about US priorities and territorial issues
9. 07:27 Negotiating with Putin and security guarantees
10. 08:48 Trust, diplomacy, and Ukraine-US relations

Answers

## Questions about this video

Why does Zelenskyy say there is no 'win-win' in the war with Russia?

Zelenskyy explains that due to the extensive human losses and the nature of the conflict, there cannot be a mutually beneficial outcome for both Ukraine and Russia.

What is Zelenskyy's stance on US involvement in the conflict?

He insists that US support is essential, including stronger sanctions on Russia and security guarantees to protect Ukraine's sovereignty.

Is Zelenskyy open to negotiating peace with Russia?

Yes, Zelenskyy is open to a ceasefire and dialogue if Russia agrees without conditions, but he remains skeptical about Russia's true intentions and willingness to negotiate.

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00:00

Speaker A

They say they really want to end this war. I think they want to end the war.

00:06

Speaker A

So, they want to end it in a way that would satisfy you or satisfy Russia?

00:10

Speaker A

They want to end the war which satisfies, uh, Mhm. Sometimes taking a beat to think of how to answer a question is a type of answer all on its own. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is very careful with his words

00:25

Speaker A

right now. Very careful, period. On his last day of his brief trip to Canada, after meeting with fighter pilots training in North Bay, he sat down to talk at a hangar at a private terminal just before heading back to Ukraine.

00:39

Speaker A

Safety, speed, top of mind. Many people in the world were pretty worried a few days ago when the Moldovan government said that a Russian drone had strayed into its airspace and got close enough that they delayed your

00:54

Speaker A

flight. At what point did you realize what was happening? I mean, this is not the first time when, uh, Russia wants to attack or the idea to attack or to pressure using such instruments. It's not the first time.

01:08

Speaker A

So, um, I'm not surprised. Moldovan government was surprised, but Russia uses drones. It's a pity that they can use the drones not only in Moldova. They use, by the way, this day in Romania, which is very close to Moldova. It's not only

01:27

Speaker A

just hunting on me or on somebody else like it was in Germany some days ago. And it's very simple to show such power when nobody answered. You always have to answer on any kind of Russia provocation. Maybe some with soft using soft power. I mean,

01:47

Speaker A

this, but you have to react. Otherwise, they will go further. [snorts] Well, the CIA has certainly suggested that Russia wants to push it with NATO countries. Is that what your intelligence agencies are saying too? Yes, of course, they will do it. And

02:03

Speaker A

definitely. So, how, how, what sort of response do you think there should be to Romania, to Germany, to Moldova, to me?

02:09

Speaker A

First of all, destroy any kind of the instruments which are on their sovereign territory. No other way without any kind of words. Just to destroy and then to speak. And this is, I mean, dialogue. The way of dialogue Russia respects.

02:27

Speaker A

To his point, just over 24 hours after this conversation, a Russian drone hit a Ukrainian train line just minutes after a train carrying diplomats, including former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, had crossed into Poland.

02:41

Speaker A

How do you make peace in this environment? You don't, he insists, not without the United States.

02:46

Speaker A

You're still pushing for the Americans to put more sanctions. Yes, of course. Any traction there?

02:53

Speaker A

Yes, just, I think that they have to do it. First of all, not even because of us, but because of respect of such American [clears throat] people who supported Ukraine, supported democracy from the very beginning of the invasion.

03:10

Speaker A

Are they listening to you in the United States? Yeah, yes, of course, we are in dialogue and we have conversations and they do different things. But with sanctions, I think that they should be stronger. Destroy any capabilities

03:27

Speaker A

of Russia. I mean, they can close a lot of different things. And of course, if they want to.

03:31

Speaker A

Huh? If they want to. They have to. I mean, if you are United States, you are a great example for the world. You always say about that this is the way of life. They demonstrate this

03:46

Speaker A

is the example of democracy and they are a great power. Of course. If you had security guarantees, would you be prepared to accept a situation where Ukraine holds what it has and Russia holds what it has taken? If

04:02

Speaker A

If everyone were to stop and you got to keep to freeze the conflict. It means to stop on the battlefield, to stop on the contact line and move all this situation to our diplomacy, to the diplomacy by the partners, by

04:19

Speaker A

mediation of some partners. Yes, we are ready for this. We said about it. If Russians are ready for ceasefire. Yes, without conditions, just ceasefire and speak. If they will not love something, I mean, it's in some period of time, okay. If they

04:37

Speaker A

want just to fight, okay. In some period of time, it's up to them, but it's a bad idea. Better idea without losses, stop the war, move to diplomacy.

04:48

Speaker A

So, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, before they went to Kyiv, you watched them. Jared Kushner talks about a win-win for Russia and Ukraine.

04:58

Speaker A

And I watched your body language there. What did it feel like when he said he's looking for a win-win for Russia and Ukraine?

05:08

Speaker A

Between us, be honest, there is no win-win in this war. It can't be so because so many human losses.

05:19

Speaker A

It stopped being win-win at the first day of this war. The most important victory for everybody is not for Ukraine and Russia, it's for everybody, for the world.

05:33

Speaker A

It's peace to stop this war. And this is a victory for human lives.

05:40

Speaker A

So, what did Jared Kushner say when you said to him there's no win-win? It's normal that we have a little bit different view on it. We have a lot of things which they began to understand.

05:54

Speaker A

I'm happy that I came to Kyiv after six or seven times they've been in Moscow and I think this is important.

06:03

Speaker A

They had to demonstrate this respect to our people and they did it. They asked us not to go to media with some of these polls to discuss more details and to react on their ideas. Yeah, so we will do it and we are preparing for

06:21

Speaker A

the meeting with President Trump in New York. That meeting is expected at the end of September, but consider these comments from Jared Kushner aired after our interview suggesting territory is the sticking point.

06:33

Speaker A

President Putin's laid out his line of what he wants to achieve. If Ukraine, you know, wanted to withdraw to that line, then obviously, you know, we have the rest of the deal set up and put together. Ukraine right now does not

06:45

Speaker A

want to do that. This may help explain why Zelensky worries that for the US, Ukraine's needs are not the priority.

06:52

Speaker A

The problem is that we have to change Putin's mind. He has the biggest territory in the world and you need, I don't know, some kilometers. So for what? And this is the answer. That's why it's very strange when some partners

07:10

Speaker A

say, "Look, he needs just this part of Ukraine, just these kilometers and that's all." Though it's a crazy idea. No, he doesn't need kilometers. He needs Ukraine.

07:22

Speaker A

He needs Ukraine to be a part of Russia. How do you feel about sitting across from him and talking?

07:27

Speaker A

Oh, normal. For me, I mean, it's... What will it take to happen? No, it's not my wish. It's not the best day for my life.

07:36

Speaker A

[laughter] Better to sit with my family. It's 100% yet. Because he is an enemy, of course.

07:43

Speaker A

What does it mean to sit with an enemy? For the result, for the result which can bring us closer to peace. Because I know his real goal. I know that this person wants to occupy

07:57

Speaker A

totally us and he will if we will not be so strong and if the world will be tired or if I will not have security guarantees. What does it mean security guarantees?

08:11

Speaker A

I have not to be afraid tomorrow he will occupy us because he will not change his goal, never.

08:19

Speaker A

He will not change his goal. Do you feel like you can trust Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff to understand what you're saying and reflect Ukraine's needs and move negotiations to a place where they need to be? Do you have confidence

08:34

Speaker A

that they will do that? Because you said six... How many times does Russia want to keep?

08:39

Speaker A

Mhm. Yeah, because it's, you know, how to say it there. I think mostly it's a mistake of people.

08:48

Speaker A

They always want, you know how to say it, be closer to people with a great power who are in power 30 years, 40 years, 50, 100 years. Yes, he is almost dead but he is in power and for some

09:03

Speaker A

people it's, you know, it's huge. It's not about Jared or Steve. It's between us, it's about a lot of Americans, a lot of Europeans, a lot of people who want to just have a dialogue with Putin because he is

09:19

Speaker A

the richest and the most strongest but we wanted to have an independent country. We have it. So, we have to trust each other, Ukraine and Americans. And America has

09:41

Speaker A

It's about the normal rules. It's like one people some big nation has to defend small nations.

09:49

Speaker A

I know what you're saying, but it sure doesn't feel like they want to. [laughter] Who knows?

09:55

Speaker A

They say I mean the journalists they said that they will really want to end this war. I think they want to end the war.

10:03

Speaker A

Yes, it's not it's all want to end it in a way that would satisfy you or satisfy Russia?

10:11

Speaker A

They want to end the war which satisfied uh today's United States to end as quick as possible, but we all want to end as quick as possible, but not just you know so that that we should pay for this only

10:28

Speaker A

one side. You're here in Canada. You just signed a 100 year deal. What Why a 100 year deal?

10:35

Speaker A

It's not about years. It's more about roots. It's about national security. It's strategic partnership. It's about our nations.

10:46

Speaker A

A lot of people millions of Ukrainians live in Canada and they came by the way 100 years ago and uh it's so it's very symbolic. It It It says that we will be together for a long period of

11:03

Speaker A

time our children and our grandchildren. We will work together. We will share the experience of security a lot of different things. It's about also energy about energy security about food security about everything. Ukraine has such document of strategic

11:23

Speaker A

partnership with UK. In Europe we have such one. In this part of the world we didn't have this is the first one with Canada.

11:31

Speaker A

I'm curious about your perspective because Canada is an ally. Certainly the United States is an ally. You need You probably need more from from both countries, but you're arriving at a time when the relationship between the two countries is strained. You You know that

11:45

Speaker A

there's a perception that US president is trying to break this country economically, the 51st state stuff. What is it like to watch that from afar?

11:54

Speaker A

Uh strange. Because I think that it's very dangerous that there are some problems between neighbors.

12:05

Speaker A

Uh and we we we are the example in you know in action. When people know each other, when they think that they are friends for all the period of time for all the time because they're neighbors, they have to secure their borders, they have

12:20

Speaker A

to be strategic partners against anybody. From one side they are friends, but from other side they can be inanimous inanimous like in our situation with Russia. So, that's why I think that United States and Canada will have uh

12:40

Speaker A

and and have and will have dialogue of from I mean this very constructive dialogue. They have to have it. It's very dangerous. No choice.

12:50

Speaker A

Yeah. At what point do you worry though that with you know that relationship strained, with what's happening in Iran, that Ukraine slips from mind as a concern?

13:00

Speaker A

It's all decreasing support. So, this is really big problem. And of course we need all time to focus on it to how Americans say make a deal. For us is to stop the war. And of course the situation in our most in and the Iranian

13:16

Speaker A

and the Middle East, all these challenges of course take out a big package of support. So, because of the war we are not we are not the priority.

13:28

Speaker A

For air defense. So Middle East is a priority. All the last year we've been strongly on the battlefield and we made huge problems for Russia. But we that the package of anti-ballistic missiles was decreased.

13:45

Speaker A

And people are dying. People are dying because you you can't you can't destroy everything.

13:50

Speaker A

You Ukraine has been definitely hitting deeper into Russia. Russia has been hitting more ballistic missiles. And you know, we watch the battle lines from afar. Some of us here have have been to some of the front lines who

14:02

Speaker A

were very interested in what's happening. There is an exchange. You know, whole territory is held and then it is lost.

14:10

Speaker A

It can't go on forever. You can't hang on like this forever. No, of course not. It can't depends on the will of one person.

14:19

Speaker A

It's something strange that there is no enough power of Europe, United States, Canada, everybody not enough power to stop one person, one man who is in Kremlin.

14:33

Speaker A

Russia is his preoccupation, of course, but perhaps not his only problem. There have been protests in Ukraine calling for elections which have been suspended because of the war.

14:44

Speaker A

And he's found himself at serious odds with his former defense minister. We know that you and your former defense minister were on the same page on how to prosecute the war against Russia.

14:55

Speaker A

And and now he's not there. He's calling for wartime elections. You don't seem to be on the same page. What what happened?

15:03

Speaker A

[clears throat] I'm not sure that I will will be able to I mean this to explain it because it's some internal questions.

15:11

Speaker A

Uh No um what happens? During long war a lot of things are happening. It's my decision to change the minister.

15:22

Speaker A

Uh and I changed the government, not the minister. I changed the government. If I don't know how to how to say it in English correctly so if you want to win this war, it's meant to save your country,

15:38

Speaker A

you can't focus on yourself. You have to focus on your country. And it's all about your steps, movings, words, and etc. You have to be ready that somebody will change you if it's according to your law. I mean this

15:55

Speaker A

uh the the country has to be one team, one team. Excellent team or not excellent team, but one team.

16:05

Speaker A

Do you have any doubts that Ukraine is one team now? Yes, of course we want to. I mean there's questions, million questions each day, including government, parliament. In parliament there are, you know, 100 teams.

16:19

Speaker A

But when you need some very specific things, you have to be one team. You have to be the the the power and the position, different parties, somebody supports, somebody doesn't support.

16:35

Speaker A

And but not to make mistakes. Two questions. Yeah, please. Are you going to be okay? And is Ukraine going to be okay?

16:45

Speaker A

I'm okay if Ukraine is okay. Yeah? But Ukraine will be okay. And you? And I don't know. I don't know. It depends on many different things.

16:57

Speaker A

Yeah. If we speak about security, I hope yes. I think I have strong bodyguards, but we will see.

17:04

Speaker A

Well, I mean certainly looks like it. Mr. President. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

17:08

Speaker A

Thank you very much. Yeah. [music]

Topics: Zelenskyy Ukraine Russia war peace negotiations US sanctions security guarantees Russian aggression international diplomacy CBC News


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