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William Tanuwijaya shares his journey building Tokopedia, emphasizing equal opportunities in the digital era despite humble beginnings.

## Key Takeaways

- Digital platforms democratize business opportunities regardless of background or capital.
- Persistence and mindset are crucial to overcoming initial failures and skepticism.
- The future is shaped by commitment and action, not by one’s past or origins.
- Learning and adapting continuously is essential in a competitive, transparent market.
- Equal opportunity fosters innovation and economic growth in emerging markets like Indonesia.

## What the video covers

- Dreams transform into plans, commitments, and eventually reality through perseverance.
- William Tanuwijaya was born into a modest family where money was more valuable than time.
- Tokopedia revolutionized commerce by providing equal opportunities for sellers and buyers across Indonesia.
- Digital platforms have leveled the playing field, allowing anyone with ideas or products to reach millions.
- Challenges included lack of capital, no prior tech success stories in Indonesia, and competition from global giants.
- The concept of the American Dream inspired William, emphasizing future potential over past background.
- He faced skepticism due to his ordinary background and lack of business experience but persisted.
- Internet access during his college years was a blessing that enabled self-learning and growth.
- Success requires preparation meeting opportunity, continuous learning, and resilience.
- Tokopedia’s growth reflects Indonesia’s evolving tech ecosystem and the power of digital inclusion.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Dreams to Reality: William's Early Life and Vision
2. 04:08 Equal Opportunities in the Digital Era
3. 07:56 Challenges of Starting Tokopedia
4. 11:56 Competing with Global Giants
5. 15:28 Personal Growth and Mindset
6. 20:11 The Power of Internet and Self-Learning
7. 24:52 Preparation Meets Opportunity
8. 28:45 Tokopedia’s Impact and Future Outlook

Answers

## Questions about this video

What inspired William Tanuwijaya to start Tokopedia?

William was inspired by the American Dream concept, believing that one's future potential matters more than their past background. He wanted to create equal opportunities for everyone in Indonesia through digital platforms.

How did Tokopedia change the way people sell products in Indonesia?

Tokopedia democratized commerce by enabling anyone, regardless of capital or location, to reach millions of customers, breaking traditional barriers like the need for large capital or physical stores.

What were some challenges William faced when starting Tokopedia?

He faced skepticism due to no prior tech success stories in Indonesia, lack of capital, intense competition from global companies, and doubts about his ordinary background and business experience.

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00:00

Speaker A

When we think of a dream, the dream changes into a plan. When we say a plan, the plan changes into a commitment. When we commit, the commitment changes into a reality. When I was born from a relatively incompetent family, money was much more valuable than time.

00:23

Speaker A

more valuable than time. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and close the door. - Brother, I'm very happy to meet you. - Same here. I'm very happy to finally be able to talk to you. Well, Bro Daddy, we usually talk

00:39

Speaker A

5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and close the door.

00:53

Speaker A

This is amazing. How many billion is that? - We don't care. It's just numbers on paper. - With Tokopedia, for example, or other things, it actually kills the way people sell things. I experienced it. I once had a cell phone

01:17

Speaker A

- Brother, I'm very happy to meet you.

01:39

Speaker A

- Same here. I'm very happy to finally be able to talk to you. Well, Bro Daddy, we usually talk outside the room like this.

01:57

Speaker A

- Outside the room like this. No one is listening to us. It turns out that there are actually a lot of things that need to be said. But first, congratulations for Tokopedia Gojek Jari Satu.

02:14

Speaker A

- Thank you.

02:31

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- This is amazing. How many billion is that?

02:45

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- We don't care. It's just numbers on paper.

03:01

Speaker A

- With Tokopedia, for example, or other things, it actually kills the way people sell things. I experienced it. I once had a cell phone store in Ratuplasa. It's ruined because of Tokopedia. So for me, we see it as the most fortunate generation of the internet. For example, in the past, before the internet, it usually takes a long time to build a business. For example, having a small shop. Usually, it takes a long time to have the capital.

03:18

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- And the next generation continues the business.

03:33

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- Okay.

03:51

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- In this generation, everyone has the same opportunity. For example, they have any ideas, they can directly access hundreds of millions of customers.

04:08

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- But can they be rich?

04:31

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- It's more linear. If the opportunity was only for people with big capital, or only for people with connections, but now with digital platforms, the opportunity is the same. People who have products, even if they don't have any products, they can really start from scratch. Because there must be a way. So, for example, there are those who have They have a hobby of making cakes. And the cakes are delicious. In the past, we had to build a door-to-door marketing. From one house to another. Now with social media, they can spread it as much as possible. They can reach the whole of Indonesia.

04:48

Speaker A

- Okay. But in the past, we are talking about the past, Bro. It means if someone wants to be successful or rich by selling, one example is that he has to have a strong capital. Because the advertisement in the past was very different. Advertisement is basically showing off, being bombarded on TV, and so on until people remember it. And then that's not work anymore these days. Finally, people who have a strong capital or rich people's children, it's easier because the capital is bigger. We are losing in selling cheap and small. With this, it means everyone has the same opportunity to sell and reach customers.

04:54

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- To build a brand.

05:11

Speaker A

- Yes, to build a brand. But now, I want to ask you, how can people be successful if they have the same opportunity?

05:29

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- Yes. So, this gives everyone the same opportunity, which means we also have to be ready to compete with everyone.

05:49

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- Okay. So, the competition is getting crazier?

06:01

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- The competition is definitely more transparent and open.

06:16

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- Is it good?

06:31

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- I think it's good. It actually goes back to the DNA philosophy of our nation's founder, the economy of the people, where everyone has to have the same opportunity.

06:44

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- I was amazed by the concept of American Dream when I started Tokopedia. The founders of Silicon Valley, they run what is called American Dream. They don't care about your past, your background, but what you want to build in the future. For me, it is very important. Why? Because in my experience of building Tokopedia, I experienced that.

07:00

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- Actually, Tokopedia almost failed before Tokopedia was established.

07:17

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- Almost failed?

07:39

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- Almost failed. We had the idea to build Tokopedia in 2007, but because Leon and I are not from the For example, their parents have a lot of money. Previously, business had to have capital.

07:56

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- Yes, there was no capital. It was confusing.

08:12

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- There was no capital, so they couldn't do business.

08:17

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So, I learned. I was amazed why Steve Jobs, Jackerbe, Sergey Brin, Larry Picks, Google, they can build such a big business even though I read that they dropped out of their studies. Are they rich people?

08:32

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- No. They have a huge legacy. But they are not. They are looking for capital. They are looking for capital from venture capitalists. I tried to do that. But in 2007-2009, it failed. The failure was people asked about 5 things. The first 2 questions were about the background of the industry.

08:47

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The first question is, "William, can you name one Indonesian who is successful because of their business in technology or internet?" At that time, there was no success story. Maybe Bro Daddy also..

09:10

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- It's the same thing when I play magic. I ask people, "Can you give me an example of a magician who was successful at that time?"

09:27

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- Indonesian people.

09:44

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- They are confused.

10:00

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- Confused, right?

10:15

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- We are confused.

10:38

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- Or podcasts, for example.

10:54

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- Or podcasts, yes.

11:11

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- Who has succeeded?

11:34

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- Who runs a podcast and is watched by others? One hour video is watched.

11:56

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- So, there is no success story. The second question is about Indonesia, a big market country. We have 270 million inhabitants. In such a big market, surely all global giants will enter. How can you compete with them? You are not reinventing the wheel. The innovation you are about to create is not something new. Global leaders will enter, they have technology, they have financial strength, they have talent, they have know-how.

12:25

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- So you lose on all sides.

12:48

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- Lose on all sides, how can you compete? So it's rhetorical. Questions that don't need to be answered, but the questions are always asked like that.

13:00

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- Because the questions are asked because the facts are like that.

13:16

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- The facts are like that. So the industry doesn't have a record of its own, but it doesn't stop there. They will ask about their own record of their own. And this is what makes me blind. They will ask, "Where are you from?" And I happen to be from a relatively ordinary family. My father also got sick. So when I was in college, he couldn't work. So I was in college, and the money was used to help the gardener. They will ask, "My mother is just a housewife."

13:32

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- Why would people ask that? Because the track recorders, people care about track record. That's why I think in that experience, I learned that people always ask about the past, but we can't change the past. The future should still be in our hands. This is what I call the concept of American Dream, it is really instilled in the Americans that you can be anything in America. But I also remember that in Indonesia, we have Indonesian Dream that was developed by Bung Karno, the founder, the founder. Bung Karno once said, "Dream as high as the sky if you fall, you will fall among the stars." That was actually an Indonesian dream. Because in Bali, people were asking, not only where I come from, but also where I went to school. I am not a foreigner, I also went to private school, local school. But even during my college, I had to find additional jobs. It was in 2000.

13:47

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I became a Warnet operator at 9 PM. But that's blessing in disguise. Because that year, the internet was still a thing.

14:01

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- Because you learned about the internet. Because you were free to use the internet.

14:15

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- Yes. When the internet was a luxury service, I could use the internet for free for 12 hours every day. And even though I was a student, the things I could learn through the internet, the self-taught was more extraordinary. And people will ask, "Have you ever had any business experience?"

14:26

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So, it's all about the past. So, that's why I am lucky to be a Brodeddy. Because I feel that I have found my purpose in my journey to build Tokopedia. One experience when I met a financial advisor, he said to me, "William, don't dream in the afternoon. People you to be the founders of the company in Silicon Valley, they are the ones who were born special. You were born ordinary, so find a more realistic dream, ordinary." That was the day I found my purpose in life. Me, Mas Dedy. Why? Because I felt that it was so sad that Indonesia is not 1

14:41

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open. What does it mean? - Okay, explain it. I dream with my eyes open. - For me, people who dream with their eyes open, what they dream, think, say, and do is consistent. Dream, think, say, and do is consistent. Simple.

14:59

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But most people don't do that. They sometimes dream, "I want to be this." But they never think about it. What is the plan to change the dream into reality? It has never been done. It has never been said, it has

15:16

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never been done. Why is this important? When we think of a dream, the dream changes into a plan. When we say a plan, the plan changes into a commitment.

15:28

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When we commit, the commitment changes into reality. One step closer to reality. So Bro Daddy, when he has a dream, when he sees an amazing magician, he might be inspired. He wants to be like that. But he doesn't stop there.

15:46

Speaker A

Bro Daddy must think about how he can be a magician like that. He doesn't stop thinking about it. It's already a plan but he says it. At least he promises to himself. Then he does the training. Aska now. His body is almost bigger than his dad. Routine everyday is

16:09

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not easy. Going to the gym everyday. There is also a theory called infinite mindset versus finite game. - Infinite mindset versus? - Infinite game versus finite game. So, this is the philosophy in building a business.

16:27

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People often think of business as a competition of sports. So, finite game is like sports. For example, football. The rules are clear. 45 minutes, one goal. Two goals. Whoever scores more goals in two goals wins. business, relationship, life, doesn't follow those rules. The rules change

16:50

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with the change of the times, human behavior, etc. There is no one who really wins or loses in a relationship, in a life goals. Habit is very important in the infinite game. If someone runs an infinite game business, they won't be

17:17

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the number one. The biggest enemy for him is himself. How can we have a bigger impact today than yesterday? How can we have a better relationship as a husband or wife today? So, we have to go through the process every day. No one says that if we

17:40

Speaker A

brush our teeth, The teeth will be healthy. But if we don't brush our teeth, our teeth will be damaged. So, this habit will not have an effect. It's the same as going to the gym. It's tiring, uncomfortable, and all. It's not immediate, it's a process.

18:03

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So if we can have a growth mindset like what Carol Dweck said, and we can see the world is not like a football game that ends in 90 minutes.

18:14

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We can see this as life, which we have to go up and down and enjoy the ups and downs. People often forget that Apple was almost bankrupt, but now it's a company with a valuation of $2.5 trillion, which means Indonesia's economy is

18:30

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1 trillion dollar economy. So, one Apple company is a round economy. 2.5 times the size of a country with 270 million population. That's powerful. - And people often forget that Steve Jobs also left the country, he was also in trouble. The problem is, in my opinion, the problem is that

18:52

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maybe now everything is overexposed, especially with the advent of social media. So sometimes we see on social media, people want to show something. So a new bag, a new car, a new success stories. But they forget what it's like

19:09

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to get a new bag, what it's like to get a new car. Finally, they think that everything can be instantly. How can a young person, I'm not from Indonesia, but how can a young person in this day and age, I don't know,

19:25

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this is a question for you, I want to know if you can answer this or not, but how can a young person who is just a regular student, who is studying in Indonesia, I remember back in 2000, when I was in the United

19:39

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Kingdom, I was rich. My mindset was the same as my parents back then. If you study in Indonesia, you can just find a job. But what about someone or a young person who is unlucky to be born from a family that has no

19:54

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capital, and then they want to try a business or a business, can they be born from a family that has no capital? - I think this can only happen in the internet generation. So I always think that we are the luckiest generation in

20:11

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the world. But this is the superpower that everyone has. It means that we also have to understand that just like Superman, he has a superpower, but everyone has a Kryptonite too. Most of the superpowers, if we don't use them well, our biggest

20:34

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weakness also comes from our biggest strength. What does it mean? - For example, if the parents are rich, have capital, what is their weakness? - If they are in a comfort zone. So, my biggest concern is how an organization can enter a comfort zone. Technology

21:02

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companies grow very fast. But people forget that some companies like I mentioned, like Nokia or Blackberry. - Blackberry is gone. - They had 80% of the market share. So, it means that out of 10 people, 8 will use their

21:20

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products. It's very powerful. It's considered that it's impossible for someone to beat them. But when they failed to evolve, failed to adapt, maybe they enter the comfort zone, then they are no longer relevant to the audience. - Enter the comfort zone or

21:37

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they are too self-confident? Because if we look at the history of Blackberry, when Apple came out, touchscreen, they believed that who would want to be like this, we will just stay with what we have. They are too self-confident. So, we can't follow the

21:53

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situation. But the problem is even Blackberry didn't know that the world would change. - That's why there are 2 things. First, we have to learn how to be humble. Because from being humble, we have curiosity. If we trust ourselves too

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much, we feel that The world likes our product without seeing our blind spot. We don't think our strength can be our weakness. It's over when the world changes and it doesn't suit our expectations. But the second is also the

22:28

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feeling of gratitude. I think it's very important. The feeling of gratitude makes us rise up more easily at the points of failure. So, for example, at the beginning of Tokopedia Berdiri, we also have to fight against global giants

22:46

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that enter Indonesia. So for me, I need to learn from investors or shareholders who have invested in companies as big as Google or Apple. Because I want to learn how to see a different Chakrawala. On one occasion in 2010, I had the chance to meet with a foreign investor.

23:11

Speaker A

I met them, it was only 5 minutes. I was like being kicked out. Because I couldn't speak English. I could hear English. - Wait, in 2010, Tokopedia was established.

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- It was established. But I wanted to have an investor from outside so that I could learn why. Before that, the investor was pure domestic investor. But I wanted to learn why the company - - So there is a casualistic example. - There is a war story. Back then,

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they were small companies. They couldn't buy war stories. - So you felt that it was a way of life. - But when they met, they said, "William, we don't understand what you are saying." So, after 5 minutes, I was kicked out.

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Speaker A

It was like they said, "You just waste our time." Bro, I don't get it. When you meet them, why can't you speak English? - That's impossible. - I can speak English by watching TV series. But I have never been

24:31

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abroad. I have never met people. It's impossible to meet Bro Daddy suddenly, and he says something in English. So the English is broken and broken English. I mean we are just confident to speak English but Imagine that you have never spoken English in

24:47

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your whole life. Never been abroad. You don't even have a passport. - Oh, you never been abroad? - Never been abroad. The farthest is from Siantar to Jakarta. And then never again. I used to board a ship from Siantar to Jakarta. 4 days

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and 3 nights. So I never boarded a plane. It's a different era. Now there are many cheap planes. In the past, from Sumatra to Jakarta, Just getting on a ship is already luxurious. - But it's luxurious. I've been to Medan by plane. -

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It's good. I mean, it's not cheap either. You can't do that because getting on a plane is really up to the rich. - That's the rich people. - The rich people. - It's untouchable for us. - We live in a different generation. Back

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then, we just called and used coins to talk to our parents for 3 minutes.

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- There were phone calls that were used to be spun. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can

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cheat. - Yes, you can cheat. - Yes, you can cheat - Yes, you Or Leon and I in Tokopedia woke up and thought, "Oh, let's start a business." Actually, it was not born from a daily problem. So, Tokopedia was

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born from seeing the opportunity. So, Leon and I are from a small town. When we study and work in Jakarta, we see people in our village, for example in my village, - There is no shopping mall. So, to buy

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things, the choices are very limited. For example, Gramedia is not in my hometown. I have to wait for my parents or my family to go to Medan. - To Medan. - 3 hours trip. - To buy books? - To buy books. We created

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Tokopedia to create the same opportunity for everyone. So if you live in a small town, you can buy anything. On the other hand, if you are a small business, you don't need to move to a big city to have a bigger market access.

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If Gojek, on the other hand, they have a mission to - We were born with a mission to eliminate inefficiency in our daily lives. For example, Jakarta is a traffic jam. We were made to be a powerful force so that life becomes more

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efficient. We can order food, transport from one place to another easily, etc. So we were born with born by seeing that there is a problem, then create a solution.

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- So, it's based on the problem and the feeling and you create a solution.

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- And the solution is accepted by the people, they get trust from the people.

27:39

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Then, what are the benefits when combined? Most of the business that are combined usually consolidate. It means the same business looking for a similar business, then combine to become one. It means market consolidation, looking for efficiency. It's interesting that Gojek and Tokopedia don't

27:54

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see the world as such. Gojek and Tokopedia are very different. We complement each other. Gojek has more than 2 million driver partners. Tokopedia has more than 10 million partners. Together, we have access to more than 100 million Indonesian people using

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Gojek and Tokopedia every month. Tokopedia contributes about 1% of the national economy every year. Gojek also contributes 1% of the national economy. If we combine it, it becomes 2% of the national economy. Then why? What are the benefits? We hope that

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we can really become the go-to ecosystem. We hope that our mission and vision can be one plus one, not two, but bigger. - Sorry, I skipped from what we discussed earlier. This is the thing. If you go, bro, and your parents can't find

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you because there is no communication tool, Can you imagine if that happens now? If your son or your kids go out without all of that, it would be stressful.

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Why didn't it be stressful before? That's why patience is amazing. We are more hopeful.

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So, for example, we promise people. We promise people, we don't know. We just wait. Today they won't come, maybe tomorrow they will come. For example, we have an opportunity to meet people to talk about business opportunities or anything. We are

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patient, waiting. If now it's 5 minutes late, we already know that this is it. Because if we had promised to meet next week, we would have talked about it now, but we didn't. We just kept in touch. Suddenly, we both came to

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that place. - Correct. Now, why should we be grateful? So, at that moment, when I was expelled for 5 minutes, - For me, I am still grateful. I have met, but as Henry Ford said, for me, I can't speak English. So, I have

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to learn. Slowly I improve. And I have to have a thick face. So, as Bro. Daddy said, for me, the luck is a combination of the opportunity to meet with the preparation. Preparation meets opportunity. So, we have to always No excuse.

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We must not blame the condition, we must learn from our failures what we can improve. And now, the current generation, we can learn anything. It's different from our parents' generation, it's different from our grandparents' generation. Now, whatever it is, we learn it instantly. We don't need

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to apply to certain universities to be accepted, to collect capital. When I meet foreign investors, they all ask, "They are all bankers with very high education. I just heard all of my life. So I just wrote it down. You fake it

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until you make it. Say that I will come back to you, I need some time to prepare data to refer to you. - But there's none. - I have the data, but I don't know what the question is. Because this is the first time I heard about the word. We don't

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know what it is. For example, cohort analysis. But if our parents' generation, if they don't know, they don't know. If our generation, when we go home, there is a Google Aunt. So for me, everyone can be a PhD. -

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Poor, hungry, and driven. - Poor, hungry, and driven. - Poor doesn't mean we have to be poor in material things. We can be poor in knowledge. But we have to be hungry and driven. We have to have determination. And in the previous generation, we had to study for PhD. Now, we all

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have PhD. If we have PhD, we can just type any term on Google, it will come out. Or on YouTube, we can learn from experts. We can listen to deep-dive podcasts. So, in my opinion, if we can see the world with more

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hopefulness, more gratefulness, in our failures, we don't consider this as our lowest point. We just consider that we can't do it yet. Not that we can't do it yet.

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- Not yet. the universe will open up more doors for us. - Okay. This is what Steve Jobs said, "Stay hungry, stay foolish." - Stay hungry, stay foolish. - Because by doing so, you want to learn new things, you want to know new

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things. Wow, that's amazing. But... - That's why I said, "Daddy Om is a person who dreams with his eyes open." You change fields so many times, but you become a master of everything. So, a person People call me daddy, uncle, brother,

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but the right way is actually master. Because in every single industry that you enter, you always become a master. Magician, podcast, lifestyle, you are a master of. Because, as I said, there is no instant.

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People might forget that - Master Daddy's podcast in the last 2 years, less than 2 years, grew very fast to 15 million subscribers. But actually, Daddy is a celebrity who became a YouTuber long before other celebrities.

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When people still see that this TV is such a big stage, you already try. And you are having that humility, to learn from a YouTuber.

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- A YouTuber who is considered as a very different world for TV people. - A world that is very...oh, they don't want to be touched at that time. - But you don't see it like that, right? You actually come to them and ask

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them to learn. - Right. - Because YouTube, at the beginning, you came to Radit, you came to famous YouTubers. - Yes, Arab. - Arab, right. - You learn. - And they all evolved. - They also evolved. But why can't people see the

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world changing? There are people who are stagnant and don't want to change. Because they believe that what is being done is right. I met a magician. He was old. He played tricks like using bird's eye. Then I said, "This is a new tool." And he said,

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"No, I've been doing this for 40 years." - Yes. One of the reasons why people are stuck is because they see that their glass is full. So it's very important to be insecure because you are at a certain point and it becomes a comfort zone. But maybe because

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the glass is really full. If our glass is half full, we always feel that we haven't - The pattern. - Not yet. So there is always a space to learn. And to learn, we often have to unlearn or have the

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heart to admit that what we have learned before, what we have had before, it can be irrelevant. It can be wrong. - Wow, this is not easy.

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- It's not easy. But you have to start from yourself. - It's not easy.

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People have been learning for a long time. Some have studied, some have not. Then they have to realize that it's not relevant anymore. It's not easy. - But in building an organization, it's my biggest fear. So when I hire very smart people, I

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always try to test whether they want to grow. have humility to assume that what they have achieved now could be wrong, could be irrelevant for the next generation. Why? Because if they force what they know is right in their previous company or in

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their previous life and forced in the current generation, It can happen. Consider the social media era. People have moved to Facebook, - Yes, we are still the same. People who have moved to Instagram are still the same. We also have to, the world is not about us. The world has

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changed and we also have to follow the trend of the world. But we have to have a strong philosophy or a strong foundation about what our values are. So whatever the medium, our values will not change. - I remember when I first met

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Master Deddy, I asked him, "Because this is my favorite question, every time I meet someone, if you can only choose one word to represent yourself, what word would you choose?" If I'm not mistaken, Bro Deddy said hard work or determination. Because Bro Deddy

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is a very hardworking person. But I said, In my opinion, Master Daddy is like water. Because back then, there was no such thing. Back then, there was a figure named Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee always said, "Be like water, my friend." Because water

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can adjust to its place. Water can be a bottle, a glass, a teapot. - Water can calm down but it can also destroy. And that is the philosophy of a Bruce Lee. And I think I am also very amazed. Bro Daddy is very.. if Bro Daddy always

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thinks that at the highest point as a master magician is the greatest glory. - It's done. - It's done. - And then you adapt from the writer to the writer. Why don't you just be a writer? Why do

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you have to learn a new world? But learning a new world is not instant.

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You learn one tree at a time, master it one tree at a time, and make new trees. - It means, Brother, if we talk like that, it means it's different from the old days. In the old days, someone taught the title and it's

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done. It means if you say that, it means Bro said that this is a lifetime learning. - Yes. I feel very lucky because I got the chance to learn from my journey to build my business, Tokopedia. I found my

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purpose, as I said. But after I found my purpose, I kept learning. And learning has the chance to learn from the best. This is a stepping stone. In the end, I can meet people like during the Yosi Son era. Then he invested in Tokopedia. It's like people who

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you can only read from books or listen to his interviews from afar. Imagine when we eat dinner with him, we can not only learn about history, we can learn what he thinks about the future.

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How people like him see what is the vision for the future. I think if we learn about growth mindset and infinite game, we have to learn how to sponge water. So, we have to absorb water. And if around us the quality of the water is very good, there is a

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term "you are". You are the average of 5 people around you. For me, it is also very true. So, how do we make have access to exposure. Because again, the way we learn from our generation is very different from the previous generations. The exposure we can get is from

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friends. - So we have to choose friends. - From networking. - That's right. - I learned that the most valuable thing in the world is actually time. When I was born from a relatively incompetent family, money is much more valuable than time. Because for example, 500

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rupiah, I have to walk instead of going to the microlab. Because if I go to the microlab, Maybe I can save 30 minutes, but I can't get 500 rupiah for 30 minutes. So, it was my superpower.

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So, when we build Tokopedia, we don't have money. So, we work hard. If we can work 24 hours, we work 24 hours. But at a certain point, When we have money, we don't have time. Maybe Bro Deddy feels it. No matter how rich or poor, everyone is given

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only 24 hours a day. And this cannot be bought, cannot be reduced. Everyone gets the same amount of money. And here is how we use time well. in our short life will make our finish line different. Maybe a

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Cristiano Ronaldo, he is an extraordinary talent. But he also works hard to surpass almost everyone in his environment. Even for example, Patrice Evra once joked, "It's not fun to be invited to Cristiano Ronaldo's house." All the food is not good. And then the hobby is not fun. -

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It makes you tired. - After eating healthy food, it makes you tired. So, it's not fun. So, as a friend, it's not fun. But look at his achievements. So, it's back to the philosophy of time. In the end, the thing

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we can't buy is time. - Okay. So, indirectly, Bro William said that When we are friends, we have to see that too. I mean stop wasting time. Because this friendship can be bad. If 5 people influence us, if we go to the wrong place, it will be ruined. - And

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for me, maybe when I just got married, I read a quote from James Patterson. He is a writer. He said, "We are in life, circus clowns, which in life we juggling 5 balls. These 5 balls are health, family, friendship, integrity, and work. From these 5

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balls, 4 are made of glass and only 1 is made of rubber. And only the ball of work is made of rubber. So if we juggle the ball, we should be careful.

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- It's broken. - It's broken. We can't juggle it in our lives anymore. We see many successful businessmen, but their families, friendships, health, or integrity, reputation, we all live with the dead elephant leaving the head, the dead human leaving the

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name. So, integrity, if it's broken, it's broken. But if it's work, we fail, the ball is rolling. The bounce can be higher if we want to learn.

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But again, it is not easy to juggle these 5 balls. It takes time. And we also have to be lucky. It means I am also lucky to have a wife who supported me long before I started Tokopedia. We have a

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relationship. So she also sees how she likes it and the most important thing is support. I never have time for my family, but he might understand that this is the phase where I have to focus on playing basketball first. But because my basketball has a lot of glass balls. Tokopedia

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now has more than 10 million members of the MSME. They depend on their lives on Tokopedia. So this is not a basketball that we can just throw. But he also knows that I have a mission to build an institution

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that is not like the government, but to build an institution like a university. It means that Tokopedia followers are not my children or family, but I want to build an institution like a university that is known because of its impact on the people,

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that is led and known because of its teachers and students, Americans or the West side are smarter at building institutions. For hundreds of years, people have forgotten who the founders are. But they have become such an amazing institution. For example, Apple. Apple has

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been left behind by Steve Jobs. Even though people associate Apple with Steve Jobs for a long time. But Steve Jobs once left Apple, he once went bankrupt. People almost forget everything because he is an institution that is not dependent on one person. But

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in East, most of the companies are like a kingdom. It means that it depends on the kings and queens and so on. Or the founders. I want to eliminate the dependence of those characters. But this requires process. But I got the support system.

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It means that I can cover the glass ball first. I don't need to take care of it. Imagine if my wife is angry every day. - It will be messy. - Yes, it will be messy. - I think it's friends. I see

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Bro Daddy as an introvert. I don't have many friends but my close friends. I'm not a party person or socializing person. I've been reading books on the back of the screen. So naturally I don't have many friends. But for me,

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my closest friends are role models. I want to be a father like Daddy. Your closest friend is As for Aska, I think it's crazy. It's a relationship that even a friend wouldn't get. So, it's not only, it's a, it's said that blood

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is thicker than water. - The relationship between friends is unique. Usually, families can't be as close as that. That you can share everything. I watched it very closely, very consistent. Because you also treat Aska as a friend.

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- As a friend. - Since he was young, you didn't treat him as a kid. You treated him as an adult. You shared everything, talked to him. That's a friend. And I also want to have time. But for that, We have to be smart in dividing our time.

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So I think there are eras. I was 28 years old until now, almost 40.

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This is the era I built Tokopedia to plant values, plant philosophy, plant principles. Why were we born? Why were we raised? We grow up because of other people's beliefs.

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This is a corner that we must not betray. to plant those values so that the next generations, in my opinion, the only task of a leader is to create a better leader. So with that, the country can be bigger, the

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institution can be bigger, and it can be a legacy, it can be a legacy that is stronger than the previous generation. - But with all these words of Bro William, what is your biggest fear? - Is Tokopedia still afraid of this? - Always. My biggest fear is how we

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forget ... - It's big. The system is already working. - Yes. If the system is already working, the system that works for 5,000, I mean the organization that now has 5,000 people, it will be obsolete, it will be boring when the organization becomes 10,000 people. Tokopedia

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starts with 2 people. The system that works for 2 people, well, just believe it. There is no need for any process. When it becomes 80 people, the 2 people system cannot work for 80 people. When we make a good

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system for 80 people, we grow to 300 people, it doesn't work anymore. So, the only constant is change. - The only constant is change. - If we stop changing, we will definitely die. And how to plant this so that all

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leaders, all the next generations can continue to give the staffet to the future generations.

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- This is good. Maybe if someone doesn't understand, the meaning of Bro William's words is like this, one thing is certain, it is change. And it means that it must continue to change. - This is bothering me as someone who is close to you,

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close to Tokopedia. Is Tokopedia 100% Indonesian? - So, at the beginning, yes, 100%. - You can ask me that.

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- Yes, you can. In October 2014, Tokopedia became the first company in Southeast Asia. who got an investment of 100 million dollars from 2 big institutions. One is called Sohbank, the other one is called Sequoia Capital. Sohbank is a very early investor in Alibaba. Sequoia Capital invested in Apple when

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it was still in the garage. Steve Jobs was still in the garage, he invested.

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- Is this the same people that you met in 2010? - No, it is different. The journey is long. So, in 2014, it was the first company in Southeast Asia that got Rp100 million. All eyes are on Indonesia.

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Why? Because Indonesia is not considered as a market anymore. But it is considered that Indonesia can be born as a world class company that competes with the other companies. Imagine, Alibaba's investors, Apple's investors, and Google's investors, and WhatsApp, they invest in Indonesia. It means they believe that Indonesian companies can

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compete with the companies they have invested in. It's like they are their first children. If they believe that Indonesia is only a market, they can just enter Alibaba, Google, and Witsys. But they don't need to be underdog to become

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big and compete with others. - It means they are afraid to compete with others. It means they know that their competence is very big. - Because their business model as an investor is like that. They invest in the future. It means they want to have a small part that has

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a great potential. I have started to see that many people, since the internet is so open, so we can read the comments in the articles, on YouTube, many people say that Tokopedia is not Indonesia anymore, it is already owned by foreigners. And

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this is the beauty of a very different technology world. Ownership is very much not directly compared to control. People forget that Alibaba associated with JMA. JMA now has only about 4.8% of Alibaba. People associate Apple with Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs at one point

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only has 0.6%. Less than 1% of Apple's stock. But the beauty of a technology company, the spirit of the company's founder, when the company is still closed or even an open company, he can structure his company one share of the founder has a higher voting right.

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It means, in the previous generation, if it has 50% or 60%, it means it owns everything. It has a 60% voice too. But in the internet generation, There are many companies like JMA, like Steve Jobs, they may have a

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small stock, but they have the control over the company. - They have the most control. - Because they can set the contract like that. Why? Because it's very important.

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It's different from what they bought, it's actually time. If Indonesia wants to have a technology company that is 100% controlled by Indonesia, it means that it may only build the successful conglomerates. The young people of Indonesia may not have hope. Like what we

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discussed earlier, they are looking for a sponsor. From the beginning, they are willing to share their company with people who can accelerate. If they do it on their own, maybe they can control it 100% but maybe they won't be able to achieve it.

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I learned this from Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious is a movie. - The Japanese name is Han. Han once said, "50% of something is better than 100% of nothing." 50% of something big is more valuable than 100% of meaningless. So, from the beginning, I have been talking

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to Tokopedia and it has almost failed. I have been looking for a sponsor for 2 years. It is very difficult. Finally, we succeeded in slowly finding investors and imagine Indonesia should be proud when Softbank invests in Alibaba they put 20 million dollars, got

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33% when Yahoo invests in Alibaba, 1 billion got 40% Imagine this is a company in China. China is ideologically, Japan or America is considered "opponent". But their digital economy policy is very interesting. They built the Big Firewall of

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China. It means that foreign companies are not allowed to operate in their country. But they opened the door for foreign money to enter local businesses. Why? Because the money is used to build the industry. So for example, when the money

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enters Alibaba and others, what do they do? They use it to attract their best sons and daughters who might have studied at Harvard, or are currently working for global technology companies. They have a reason to go home.

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It's impossible to pay with peanuts, or pay with salaries. They compete. "What are you doing working there? I will give you shares, I will give you a big salary to return to the industry." So everyone accelerated the industry. So,

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thanks to the success story of the first generation, the second generation has - Or a chance. - An opportunity, a desire, a desire for that. - Because they see English teachers like Jema. You can beat Amazon. You can beat

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eBay. People never comment that 40% of the companies have America. 33% have Japan. - Okay. If people don't know, how about Tokopedia? - Tokopedia is now a go-to. There is no shareholder that has more than 11%. So all the

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shareholders are small. So it's almost like an open company. And interestingly, the biggest dream is to bring the company to be an open company. When it becomes an open company, who owns the company? The people. Our biggest dream is how our partners, how our partners in MSMEs, how loyal

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users of Gojek, Tokopedia, and GoPay can own stocks and become owners of companies. - Sorry, can you continue with the first question? - Yes. And not only that, people who work in companies, who are successful, have already owned stocks. So the way of thinking is very different.

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Maybe in the previous generation, everything was about majority ownership. But in the current generation, why in America there is really a Silicon Valley? Why not everyone is just competing to build a company? It's good if you can build a big company. But also

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competing to have dreams of wanting to work in Apple, Google, because every year the one who makes a profit gets a share. - Wait, you said that the people who make a profit there get a share? - In Tokopedia, in Gojek, they also

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get a share. So the owner of the company is... - Is this a employee?

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- Employee. - Get a share? - Get a share. So, back to the point, even though we can say that why the one who was scrapped I sometimes feel sad, why Indonesian companies that were born in Indonesia, opened a

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work field, gave their shares to Indonesian people, brought back the best Indonesian sons and daughters to build something in the future, these graduates will later build the next generation, will build a company. Why can Silicon Valley be big? When Yahoo! goes public, the early jobs are

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all Then they have the capital. With that capital, they can invest to the next generation who has an idea. "Wow, your idea is good." And they have felt that they have the capital to invest. So, slowly, ownership becomes more the majority is local.

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The same goes for the next generation after Alibaba. There are already many people who succeeded because of Alibaba. So they can invest again. They have already believed. They don't need to repeat the story of William 14 years ago, where people asked, "Who can

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succeed in technology business?" - There is an example. - There is an example. And many people are enjoying it. And many people will have to wait for the go public. - So, this will be IPO? - Of course. Because it is a big

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dream that has to come true. - But the people are like, "This is crazy if it's IPO." The people are like, "When?" We are working hard, hopefully we can do it this year. Of course, this governance work is a big

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responsibility, so we have to prepare well. But of course, that is the point where it becomes a new start line, but where the shareholder is the Indonesian people. We have to be responsible for our shareholders, which are not just outside institutions, but also our partners, drivers, everyone

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can do it. Imagine if we have the opportunity to invest in Amazon decades ago, how much is it now? It is slowly but surely growing. Now Amazon is 1.5 billion. close to 2 trillion dollar company. That's when we invest in Apple. Imagine a company that is much bigger

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than a country. And the country with the 4th largest population in the world. That's an extraordinary economy. So, we want Indonesia to have a company that can be on the world stage. And again, the one who enjoys it is

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not a few people, not one family, but everyone can participate. - Okay bro, I have one last question for you. Because I don't think this will end if it doesn't. It's one hour more I'm talking to you. But my last question is this.

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If this is so big, and you make it difficult to succeed, why do you let it go? - I think it's the same thing. Let it go in the sense of sharing. - Yes, I mean, why do you

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let it go? If it becomes IPO, everything will be reduced. - Percentage wise, yes. But in terms of value, it keeps on growing. Like what Han from Fashion Furious said, "50% of something is better than 100% of nothing." So, for example, maybe Steve Jobs can have 100%

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of Apple, but it won't be as big as it is now. When he finally has 0.6% of the fund, does it lose his reputation or his dreams?

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And generally, it turns out that the phenomenon is people who are able to create companies like that. If you look at the history, they never looked for material motivation in the beginning. For example, until now, I can't afford to

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buy a car because I haven't sold it. For 12 years, Tokopedia has received investments. I don't sell my shares because I really believe Tokopedia will grow and now it will grow even more. So for me, this is the

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best investment for my generation and my children. Because what I can inherit is this stock. I don't think it can run any career, but at least it will be one of its safety net. Where the company will run by the best people. who will be the shareholder, who can

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choose a career or a dream or make his new dream, he doesn't have to live his parents' dream, but he has the safety net. And for me it's more beautiful. Back again, I learned that in Tokopedia our philosophy, the success is how we make others successful.

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I learned this from the movie "Tri Idiot". - Oh, the Indian one. - Yes, the Indian one. So, it's interesting. It's a very human nature. He said, "We are friends. We are so sad if our friend fails." So, at that time, his friend

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was He didn't go to class. So, he was so sad. So sad. And the next scene, he was more sad than before. Why? Because one of his friends was the number one winner. It turns out that we are not only sad when our

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friend fails, but we are even sadder when our friend is much more successful than us. And for me, before I started Tokopedia, I used to work in offices and all. Sometimes there is toxic environment when one person is

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successful or promoted, there are many talks behind. And when I learned about growth mindset, about fixed mindset, the first person never blame the situation when he/she has a growth mindset. He/she is inspired. Why can he/she succeed? What can I improve so that

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I can succeed? They are the people who celebrate the success of others. Pak Eri, a few days ago, he talked to Bro Daddy. He also talked about Bro Daddy's podcast. Imagine, we have a choice. To be 15 million

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people who to watch and learn new things every day. Or maybe 50.000 people who always nod or comment negatively. - And can't learn.

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- And can't learn. One, they can't see other people's achievements as a trigger or motivation to develop. One of them is actually wanting to do so.

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So this is our choice. Whether you think you can, whether you think you can't, you are both right. Whether you want to be a fixed mindset or a growth mindset. Whether you want to choose a finite game or an infinite game. I wanted

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to ask again, why can these people be so stubborn? What is the reason for their stubbornness? What is being seen? Is it their education? Or back to the growth mindset and fixed mindset? - It's just a way of thinking. How can exposure, and

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it has to start from within. That's why here, in my opinion, Indonesia needs to re-create new kind of heroism.

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There was a concept of heroism. There were parents of Dongeng who talked about heroism. So, what we learn is a good example of why people succeed, why people have a good reputation. So, those values are what we plant. This is what

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happens in the instant generation. We read the comments and we get 2 options. We have to admit that we are all humans. Humans have feelings of jealousy, anger, maybe right now the situation is very difficult so seeing the separation threshold

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is something that annoys us. anger, and so on. So the triggers of negative comments are the ones that make it right. There are people who feel like me, so it's also like that. But again, if our mindset can change,

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we can see that in another point. It turns out that the successful people have also failed once and it's part of the process. This is a journey that we learn how the journey takes us to a point. So the hope is

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that we can learn to dream with open eyes, Om Deddy. - I got it. Wow. If I draw a straight line outside Tokopedia, Gojek, Gotoh, this actually inspires young people that success is an opportunity for everyone. - The internet gives the same

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opportunity to everyone. - Relatively the same. It depends on your mindset, whether you want to follow the trend or not, whether you want to go with the flow like water or not. I should be jealous, not jealous, but learn from there

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and think what I can do. - And try to overcome yourself. How to become one lesson today so that today is a little better than yesterday. Because I'm sure if a master asks himself what he wants to be in 5 years, he actually

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doesn't know. - I don't know. Is that wrong, Bro? I'm confused. Sorry, sorry. This is the last one. If not, it's not the last one. So, sometimes people ask me, "What about the next 5 years?" I'm confused. "What about the next 5 years?"

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- Because we're in Bali, we're experiencing what's happening. We just promise that today, if possible, it will be better than yesterday. - Yes. And if they ask us about the next 5 years, we'll say, "See what happens in the next 5 years." -

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Because 5 years ago, it's impossible. - I don't know. - Master Daddy was asked, "Oh, I will make a podcast that is enjoyed by the biggest in Indonesia." I don't know. And it didn't stop there. Even there are moments, the podcast is already

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successful. - I know where you are going to run. - It is a moment that has passed in the history of Indonesian society. You break history on YouTube. The world. So, it's back again. Like Cristiano Ronaldo, today he woke up and didn't try to beat Lionel Messi. He

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tried to beat himself. - Yes. I understand that. Thank you very much. At that time, I saw this opportunity. "This is so good.

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Why didn't anyone take it?" In 3 days or 4 days, let's do this. And it's working. - Amazing. - Thank you, Brother. You're so inspiring. You're so inspiring. It's amazing. And maybe people should learn a lot from stories like this. Should

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this be in the book? - No. Thank you for having me. Because I'm still learning from the next chapter in the channel. - Oh, okay. But with you one day? - I think, I'm also a book reader, but I think Bill Gates

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is the only one who chooses another medium. For example, making podcasts, making Netflix. - So you can share. - So it's easier. People can multitask now. While brushing their teeth, listening to a podcast by a daddy. They have learned the life experience. It

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is said that it takes 30 years to write a book. But after one hour of podcast. - Yes. It's done. So, you are doing, you, Daddy, you are doing a favor for the next generation. So, keep doing what you

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are doing. - Thank you, brother. Thank you. You are amazing. - That's why we are big supporters. Thank you for having me and thank you for having us. - Thank you. It's an honor for me. It's a pleasure. And I know that this

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podcast Well, it will help a lot of people. This is an example, a life example, that this person, sorry, I'm not teaching enough. This person, it was hard to get on the plane, never. He only had big dreams, big desires, and he was driven. And take a look at him

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now. Take a look at him now. We are waiting for the IPO. Thank you, Brother. Let's close this. - Thank you. - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And close the door.

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