**The science behind dramatically better conversations | Charles Duhigg | TEDxManchester — Transcript & Summary | SozAI** Source: https://sozai.app/transcript/science-behind-better-conversations-charles-duhigg/ Charles Duhigg explains the 'matching principle': conversations contain practical, emotional and social layers, and communication fails when people are in different ones. He suggests asking deep quest ## Key Takeaways - Most communication breakdowns happen because people are in different types of conversation at the same time. - Identify whether someone needs practical help, emotional empathy or social recognition, and match them. - Asking deep, open questions about feelings and values creates vulnerability and connection. ## What the video covers - Duhigg opens with an experiment: ask a stranger 'When was the last time you cried in front of someone?' and answer it yourself, to build connection. - He recounts a strained marriage where he wanted emotional empathy while his wife offered practical advice, causing repeated conflict. - Researchers explain that a single discussion often contains several conversations, typically practical, emotional and social. - The 'matching principle' holds that successful communication requires recognizing which conversation is occurring and matching it. - Practical conversations focus on solving problems, emotional ones on sharing feelings and receiving empathy, and social ones on identity and belonging. - Asking 'Do you want to be helped, hugged, or heard?' helps identify which conversation someone wants. - Deep questions ask about values, beliefs and experiences, e.g. 'What do you love about your job?' instead of 'Where do you work?' - Deep questions foster reciprocal vulnerability, which is key to connection. - Dr. Ehdaie, a prostate cancer surgeon, illustrates the principle: patients expecting practical medical advice often want emotional reassurance, and matching that changes outcomes. - Overall, mismatched conversations cause people to feel unheard, while matched and deep conversations improve relationships. ## Chapters 1. 00:00 Introduction: The stranger experiment 2. 01:47 Duhigg's marriage and the communication pattern 3. 02:56 Research on conversation types and the matching principle 4. 04:47 Practical, emotional and social conversations 5. 06:00 Asking 'Do you want to be helped, hugged, or heard?' 6. 07:50 Deep questions and vulnerability 7. 09:58 Case study: Dr. Ehdaie and prostate cancer patients 8. 12:00 Closing: applying the principle Answers ## Questions about this video What is the matching principle described in the talk? The matching principle says successful communication requires recognizing what kind of conversation is occurring, whether practical, emotional or social, and responding in the same kind. Mismatched conversations prevent people from hearing each other. Why does Duhigg's wife's advice fail to help him? Duhigg was having an emotional conversation, wanting empathy, while his wife responded with a practical conversation offering solutions. Because they were in different conversations, he felt unheard and became more upset. What is a deep question, according to the speaker? A deep question invites people to talk about their values, beliefs or experiences, such as 'What do you love about your job?' Instead of asking about facts, it asks how they feel, which fosters vulnerability and connection. ## Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown 00:00 Speaker A I'm going to ask you to participate in an experiment, which is that when you leave this room, when you go out into the world, today, tomorrow, or whenever you feel like it, I'd like you to ask and answer one question of someone who's a stranger. You might meet them on the bus or walking down the street. 00:17 Speaker A I’d like you to ask and answer one question of someone who’s a stranger. You might meet them on the bus or walking down the street. 00:26 Speaker A I'm going to show you the question I'm going to ask you to ask and answer. 00:30 Speaker A The question is, “When was the last time you cried in front of someone?” Now, just out of curiosity, how many of you are really excited about this experiment? 00:40 Speaker A The question is, "When was the last time you cried in front of someone?" Now, just out of curiosity, how many of you are really excited about this experiment? 00:55 Speaker A But I’m going to try and convince you that this experiment is not only worth doing, it’s worth doing whenever you can, because it will make your life better. 01:05 Speaker A No hands went up whatsoever. And that makes sense, right? Because there can be nothing that seems more intimidating or less fun than finding a stranger, asking them when they've cried in front of someone else, and then telling them about the time you cried in front of someone else. 01:10 Speaker A A few years ago, we got into this bad pattern. We’d been married for 20 years, but I’d come home from a long day at the office, I was a reporter at the New York Times at that point, and I’d start complaining about my day, about how I’m not appreciated enough. 01:22 Speaker A But I'm going to try and convince you that this experiment is not only worth doing, it's worth doing whenever you can, because it will make your life better. 01:28 Speaker A You guys can get to know each other better.” And instead of being able to hear her, I would get even more upset. 01:34 Speaker A To explain how I got to this, I have to tell you a little bit of a story about me and my wife. 01:42 Speaker A This was not... Anyone ever had an experience like this? It was not a good situation. 01:47 Speaker A A few years ago, we got into this bad pattern. We'd been married for 20 years, but I'd come home from a long day at the office. I was a reporter at the New York Times at that point, and I'd start complaining about my day, about how I'm not appreciated enough. 02:00 Speaker A because of advances in neural imaging and data collection. They said one of the big things that we’ve learned Is that we tend to think of a discussion as being just one conversation. 02:08 Speaker A And my wife, very reasonably, would offer me some great advice. Like, "Why don't you take your boss out to lunch? You guys can get to know each other better." And instead of being able to hear her, I would get even more upset. 02:13 Speaker A But what they said is that actually, each discussion contains many different conversations. In general, these conversations tend to fall into one of three buckets. 02:23 Speaker A And I would say things like, "Why aren't you supporting me? You should be outraged on my behalf." And she would get upset because I was attacking her for giving me good advice. 02:29 Speaker A But then there’s emotional conversations, where we’re talking about how we feel, and my goal is to share with you my feelings, and I don’t want you to solve them, I want you to empathize. 02:40 Speaker A This was not... Anyone ever had an experience like this? It was not a good situation. 02:48 Speaker A And what the researchers said is that we’ve learned if people are having different conversations at the same moment, they can’t really hear each other. 02:56 Speaker A And so, I started talking to researchers who were studying communication. I asked them, "Why am I getting into this pattern?" They said, "Well, you're making a mistake." 03:01 Speaker A I was coming home and having an emotional conversation. My wife was responding with a practical conversation. 03:06 Speaker A We're living through this golden age of understanding communication, really for the first time, because of advances in neural imaging and data collection. They said one of the big things that we've learned is that we tend to think of a discussion as being just one conversation. 03:15 Speaker A And within neurology and psychology, this insight has become so important that it’s become known as the matching principle, which says that successful communication requires recognizing what kind of conversation is occurring and then matching each other. 03:28 Speaker A We're talking about one thing: my day, or the kids' grades, or what to have for dinner. 03:33 Speaker A If you are a school teacher, you’ll probably learn at some point that If a student comes to you with a problem or something to talk about, you should ask them, “Do you want to be helped?” which is a practical conversation. 03:44 Speaker A But what they said is that actually, each discussion contains many different conversations. In general, these conversations tend to fall into one of three buckets. 03:50 Speaker A And it seems to work. It seems like if you ask students what they need, they’ll tell you. 03:56 Speaker A There are these practical conversations, where we're talking about what this is all about, what we're really discussing. 04:05 Speaker A But luckily, there is another way of doing this for all of us normal people, which is to ask questions and in particular, to ask a certain type of question, a special question known as a deep question. 04:17 Speaker A But then there are emotional conversations, where we're talking about how we feel, and my goal is to share with you my feelings, and I don't want you to solve them, I want you to empathize. 04:23 Speaker A And that can sound a little intimidating, but it’s actually much easier than it sounds. 04:27 Speaker A And then there are social conversations about who we are, the social identities that are important to us, how we relate to each other and to society. 04:38 Speaker A What did you learn there? What changed you there?” Put differently, instead of asking about the facts of someone’s life, we should ask them how they feel about their life. 04:51 Speaker A And what the researchers said is that we've learned if people are having different conversations at the same moment, they can't really hear each other. 05:03 Speaker A what matters to them most. In fact, what studies show us is that this is so powerful because these kinds of questions allow us to be vulnerable, and vulnerability and reciprocal vulnerability, when we hear vulnerability and we become vulnerable in return, 05:20 Speaker A They can't really connect. And this is exactly what was happening with me and my wife, right? 05:29 Speaker A Dr. Ehdaie is a cancer surgeon in New York City. He specializes in prostate cancer, removing prostate tumors... 05:37 Speaker A I was coming home and having an emotional conversation. My wife was responding with a practical conversation. 05:52 Speaker A The prostate is located so close to the to the nerves that control urination and sexual function that it’s a relatively risky surgery. 06:03 Speaker A They are both legitimate conversations, but because we weren't having the same conversation at the same moment, we weren't really communicating with each other. 06:10 Speaker A There’s a saying among doctors that if you have an old patient with prostate cancer, he’s going to die of old age before the cancer kills him. 06:18 Speaker A Within neurology and psychology, this insight has become so important that it's become known as the matching principle, which says that successful communication requires recognizing what kind of conversation is occurring and then matching each other. 06:23 Speaker A I think you should do active surveillance. What we’re going to do is take a blood sample every 6 months, we’re going to do a biopsy every 2 years, and if the tumor seems to change, we’ll do an MRI, 06:33 Speaker A But how do we do that? Well, in schools, they've actually taught teachers to do this. 06:49 Speaker A They’d say, “I want you to cut me open, take the tumor out as fast as possible.” And for Dr. Ehdaie, this was bewildering, right? 06:55 Speaker A If you are a school teacher, you'll probably learn at some point that if a student comes to you with a problem or something to talk about, you should ask them, "Do you want to be helped?" which is a practical conversation. 07:02 Speaker A He told me that when this happens again and again and again, you start to realize this isn’t a problem with my patients. 07:10 Speaker A "Do you want to be hugged?" which is an emotional conversation. Or "Do you want to be heard?" which is a social conversation. 07:21 Speaker A And they said, “Well look, your biggest mistake is you are starting this conversation all wrong. 07:26 Speaker A And it seems to work. It seems like if you ask students what they need, they'll tell you. 07:34 Speaker A But you don’t know if that’s true, you’re not asking them any questions. What you need to do is you need to start asking deep questions.” So two weeks later, after having this conversation, a 62-year-old man comes into Dr. Ehdaie’s office for the first time. 07:47 Speaker A But of course, that is hard to do in real life, right? If you go up and ask someone at work if they want a hug, HR might get involved, so you might not want to do that. 08:05 Speaker A And he starts talking about how his father had died when he was 17 years old. 08:10 Speaker A But luckily, there is another way of doing this for all of us normal people, which is to ask questions, and in particular, to ask a certain type of question, a special question known as a deep question. 08:15 Speaker A And then he starts talking about how at work he’s worried that the younger employees, if they find out that he has cancer, they’ll look at him differently. 08:23 Speaker A A deep question is something that invites us to talk about our values or our beliefs or our experiences. 08:29 Speaker A And then he starts talking about his grandchildren and his fears for the world they’re inheriting, with climate change and everything else that’s going on. 08:37 Speaker A That can sound a little intimidating, but it's actually much easier than it sounds. 08:47 Speaker A And at that moment, Dr. Ehdaie realized, because he had asked this deep question, that this man wanted to have an emotional conversation. 08:54 Speaker A For instance, instead of asking someone, "Where do you work?" you could ask them, "What do you love about your job?" Instead of asking someone, "Where did you go to high school?" you could say, "What was high school like? What did you learn there? What changed you there?" Put differently, instead of asking about the facts of someone's life, we should ask them how they feel about their life. 09:03 Speaker A He started talking about how he understood that his own father had gotten sick and that it had been terrifying for them, but it had also brought them together in these ways that he didn’t actually anticipate. 09:14 Speaker A Because when we do, they tend to reveal to us who they really are. They tend to tell us what they want, not only out of this conversation, but how they hope that we'll see them and how they want to see us, 09:22 Speaker A There’s some medical options I’d like to talk over with you. Is that okay?” And they move into a practical conversation together. 09:30 Speaker A what matters to them most. In fact, what studies show us is that this is so powerful because these kinds of questions allow us to be vulnerable, and vulnerability and reciprocal vulnerability, when we hear vulnerability and we become vulnerable in return, is the key to allowing us to connect with other people. 09:34 Speaker A Dr. Ehdaie’s patients overwhelmingly now opt for active surveillance, his advice, because of this approach. 09:42 Speaker A To explain how this works, I want to tell you a story about this guy, Doctor Behfar Ehdaie. 09:49 Speaker A We can always connect more and better, and in a really profound way, with the person that we’re speaking to, if we want to. 09:58 Speaker A Dr. Ehdaie is a cancer surgeon in New York City. He specializes in prostate cancer, removing prostate tumors, removing cancer tumors from prostates. And he has this kind of interesting job, because every single day a patient will come into his office asking, he thinks, for medical advice, and what he will tell them is, "You should not get surgery." 10:10 Speaker A you answer the question yourself, and you tell them when you last cried. Let me just say, this experiment has been done thousands of times, most notably by a guy named Nick Epley at the University of Chicago. 10:21 Speaker A The prostate is located so close to the nerves that control urination and sexual function that it's a relatively risky surgery. 10:37 Speaker A They get paired with a partner, they go and ask the question, ask and answer, and then Nick Epley afterwards asks them, “What was that like?” And what people say are things like, “Oh, my gosh, I felt so connected to that person, 10:51 Speaker A And what's more, most prostate tumors grow very, very slowly. It's actually one of the slowest growing forms of cancer in existence. 11:00 Speaker A I felt like they listened so attentively, and it was really easy for me to listen to what they were saying.” Ultimately, almost everyone says this is one of the best conversations that they’ve had in the last week, the last month, the last year... 11:14 Speaker A There's a saying among doctors that if you have an old patient with prostate cancer, he's going to die of old age before the cancer kills him. 11:25 Speaker A the right kind of question to ask. So why? Why is this so powerful? Why is asking this question, why does it help us connect so well? 11:34 Speaker A And so Dr. Ehdaie would have these patients come in and he'd tell them, "Look, I don't think you should do anything. 11:49 Speaker A And that is how we connect with each other. We are living through a time of polarization and division. 11:59 Speaker A I think you should do active surveillance. What we're going to do is take a blood sample every six months, we're going to do a biopsy every two years, and if the tumor seems to change, we'll do an MRI, and if we have to, we can do the surgery, but otherwise, no radiation, no surgery, it's going to be okay." And these patients would listen to him, and then they'd go home and they'd discuss it with their spouse, and then they'd walk in the next day and they'd insist on having the surgery. 12:17 Speaker A They’ve just learned skills that allow us to connect with others. And they’re skills that all of us can learn. 12:24 Speaker A They'd say, "I want you to cut me open, take the tumor out as fast as possible." And for Dr. Ehdaie, this was bewildering, right? 12:38 Speaker A So I hope you go out, I hope you find a stranger, and I hope you tell them all about the last time you cried in front of another person. 12:45 Speaker A He thought these would be the easiest conversations of his life. 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