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Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni, president of the Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia, denies espionage accusations linked to Moroccan intelligence in a press conference.

## Key Takeaways

- Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni firmly denies espionage allegations linked to Moroccan intelligence.
- UCIDCAT is a religious, non-political Spanish entity focused on community service and coexistence.
- Accusations based on leaked databases require judicial investigation, not media speculation.
- Collective suspicion based on ethnicity or religion is unjust and must be avoided.
- Legal procedures have been initiated to clarify and challenge the accusations.

## What the video covers

- Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni, president of the Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia (UCIDCAT), addresses serious accusations linking him to espionage and collaboration with Moroccan intelligence.
- The accusations stem from a leaked database attributed to the Javarut platform, alleging around 70,000 people linked to Moroccan intelligence, including about 50 in Spain.
- Al-Ghaidouni denies any involvement with Moroccan intelligence agencies and clarifies that UCIDCAT is a Spanish religious entity focused on religious and social activities.
- He emphasizes that appearing in a leaked database does not constitute proof of espionage or collaboration with intelligence services.
- UCIDCAT has initiated legal actions against the publications spreading these accusations and appeals to the Public Prosecutor for investigation.
- The press conference stresses the importance of separating geopolitical debates from individual accusations and condemns collective suspicion based on origin or religion.
- UCIDCAT commits to cooperating fully with Spanish authorities and demands evidence-based investigations rather than media trials.
- The organization defends freedom of information but insists accusations must respect fundamental rights and be based on verified facts.
- Al-Ghaidouni reiterates that Moroccan origin, Islamic faith, or leadership in religious communities should not imply disloyalty or espionage.
- The press conference concludes with an invitation for questions and further clarifications from the media and community representatives.

Answers

## Questions about this video

Who is Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni and what accusations is he addressing?

Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni is the president of the Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia. He is addressing accusations linking him to espionage and collaboration with Moroccan intelligence services, which he denies.

What is the source of the espionage allegations mentioned in the video?

The allegations come from a leaked database attributed to the Javarut platform, which reportedly contains names of about 70,000 people allegedly linked to Moroccan intelligence, including around 50 individuals in Spain.

How does UCIDCAT respond to the accusations and what actions have they taken?

UCIDCAT denies any collaboration with Moroccan intelligence, emphasizes the need for evidence-based investigations, has initiated legal procedures against the publications spreading the accusations, and appeals to the Public Prosecutor to investigate the matter.

## Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown

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Speaker A

Good afternoon. On behalf of the Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia, I thank the media for joining us today, as well as the representatives of religious communities, social entities, and all those who are accompanying us today. I appear as president of the Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia and also as a person directly affected by reports of extraordinary gravity that have publicly linked my name to alleged espionage activities and collaboration with Moroccan intelligence services. Given the personal, institutional, and social dimensions of these accusations, we consider it necessary to publicly explain our position and ask that the facts be treated with rigor, based on evidence, and the rule of law. The information appeared following the dissemination of a database attributed to the Javarut platform, presented in various publications as being related to around 70,000 people allegedly linked to Moroccan security or intelligence structures. Subsequently, information has been released regarding about 50 people residing in or linked to Spain, among whom my name has been included. We are facing accusations capable of seriously affecting the honor and reputation of the individuals targeted. And in our case, also the credibility of a religious institution that has been carrying out its activities in Catalonia for years. Therefore, we believe that an issue of such gravity cannot be resolved through speculation or media trials, but rather through the actions of the competent authorities. This information arises in a complex political and geopolitical context between Spain and Morocco, marked by issues such as Ceuta and Melilla, immigration, security, bilateral cooperation, and the different political interpretations existing in Spain regarding relations with Morocco. UCIDCAT fully respects the democratic debate and the right of the media and political forces to analyze and criticize these issues. However, we consider it essential to separate the geopolitical debate from individual accusations against resident citizens or leaders of religious entities. Moroccan origin, the Islamic religion, or participation in a religious community cannot become indicators of disloyalty or espionage. UCIDCAT is a Spanish religious entity. Its scope of action has been and will continue to be the management of religious affairs, representation and care for Islamic communities, assistance, religious education, training, institutional dialogue, coexistence, and social participation. UCIDCAT is not a political organization, does not represent any foreign state, and does not carry out activities related to intelligence or espionage. Therefore, it declares that it maintains no official or unofficial link of collaboration with the General Directorate for National Security of Morocco, nor with the General Directorate for Territorial Surveillance of Morocco. As president of UCIDCAT, I also deny having held meetings, contacts, or relationships aimed at collaborating with those organizations in intelligence, espionage, or information-gathering tasks. Likewise, we want to recall a basic principle: the appearance of a person's name in a database or leak does not in itself prove that such person is a collaborator of an intelligence service. A database is not a sentence, an accusation does not constitute proof, and a journalistic publication does not replace the work of competent judicial and security authorities. Our request is clear. We want the facts to be clarified. If there is real evidence that certain people residing in Spain have engaged in illegal espionage activities or have collaborated with foreign intelligence services, that evidence must be made available to the competent Spanish authorities so it can be investigated with full guarantees. And if such evidence does not exist, we consider it equally necessary to clarify how accusations capable of causing such serious damage to individuals and institutions were generated and disseminated. For this reason, UCIDCAT has initiated the appropriate legal procedures regarding the publications that affect its president. Likewise, we respectfully appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office so that, if sufficient grounds are found within the scope of its powers, it may consider opening the appropriate proceedings to clarify the nature and veracity of these accusations. UCIDCAT and its president express their full willingness to collaborate with any legal requirement from the competent Spanish authorities. We do not want a trial by media; we want an institutional, legal, and fact-based response. UCIDCAT firmly and categorically rejects any accusation linking its president to espionage activities or collaboration with Moroccan intelligence services. UCIDCAT is a Spanish religious entity that carries out its activity within the Spanish legal framework and within the scope of its religious, social, and institutional goals. UCIDCAT and its president deny maintaining collaborative ties with the aforementioned Moroccan administrations or any other Moroccan intelligence service. UCIDCAT defends freedom of information and the right of the media to investigate matters of public interest, but considers that accusations of such gravity must be based on verified facts and respect fundamental rights. UCIDCAT rejects the idea that the current political context between Spain and Morocco could generate collective suspicion toward citizens of Moroccan origin or leaders of Islamic communities. A person's origin does not constitute an indication of disloyalty. Their religion does not constitute an indication of espionage. Representing a mosque, an association, or an Islamic federation does not make anyone a suspect. It will continue working within Spanish law at the service of religious communities and committed to coexistence and institutional respect. We are not asking for privileges or for anyone to stop investigating. We ask that it be investigated, that the facts be clarified, that if evidence exists it be presented before the courts, and that if it does not exist, the corresponding legal responsibilities be determined for the dissemination of such serious accusations. Thank you very much. Well, I don't know if the media accompanying us or the representatives of the communities have any questions or anything to comment on regarding this subject, we will be happy to answer. Of bicycle, any idea? If you can explain exactly what you explained about your name, do it. It is what we have discussed. I don't remember the date it was published in a video by a well-known journalist with a long journalistic career here in Catalonia. A video where it is discussed that the Jabarut hackers have managed to obtain a list of 70,000 Moroccan spies spread across the European continent. So, uh, explaining this news, they have released the news, and it is what interests us, that of these 70,000, 50 are activists in Spanish territory and I don't know, five or six here in Catalonia, and one of them mentions my name. So, we have been trying to get this database. We have obtained this database of the 70,000. Indeed, we checked to see if our name appears there, and it does not appear on this list, but it is true that in the video the journalist comments on the news and has a list posted; so we take a screenshot of the screen, we start to see the names, and that is where these names appear that are supposedly just men acting as spies in Spanish territory on behalf of Moroccan intelligence services. So, from here, we first have the duty to give explanations to the public, and because we also represent more than 300 religious communities that have the right to know if the president of this federation collaborates or does not collaborate with the services of Morocco, and therefore, starting from this possibility. We have called this press conference first to communicate our point of view and then to give explanations to our

00:38

Speaker A

Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia and also as a person directly affected by reports of extraordinary gravity that have publicly linked my name to alleged espionage activities and collaboration with Moroccan intelligence services. Given the personal, institutional, and social

01:14

Speaker A

dimensions of these accusations, we consider it necessary to publicly explain our position and ask that the facts, and ask that the facts be treated with rigor, based on evidence, and the rule of law. The information appeared following the dissemination of

01:41

Speaker A

a database attributed to the Javarut platform, presented in various publications as being related to around 70,000 people allegedly linked to Moroccan security or intelligence structures. Subsequently, information has been released regarding about 50 people residing in or linked to Spain,

02:09

Speaker A

among whom my name has been included. We are facing accusations capable of seriously affecting the honor and reputation of the individuals targeted.

02:26

Speaker A

And in our case, also the credibility of a religious institution that has been carrying out its activities in Catalonia for years. Therefore, we believe that an issue of such gravity cannot be resolved through speculation or media trials, but rather through the

02:51

Speaker A

actions of the competent authorities. This information arises in a complex political and geopolitical context between Spain and Morocco, marked by issues such as Ceuta and Melilla, immigration, security, bilateral cooperation, and the different political interpretations existing in Spain regarding relations with Morocco.

03:26

Speaker A

UCIDCAT fully represents UCIDCAT fully respects the democratic debate and the right of the media and political forces to analyze and criticize these issues.

03:46

Speaker A

However, we consider it essential to separate the geopolitical debate from individual accusations against resident citizens or leaders of religious entities. Moroccan origin, the Islamic religion, or participation in a religious community cannot become indicators of disloyalty or espionage.

04:21

Speaker A

UCIDCAT is a Spanish religious entity. Its scope of action has been and will continue to be the management of religious affairs, representation and care for Islamic communities, assistance, religious education, training, institutional dialogue, coexistence, and social participation.

04:49

Speaker A

UCIDCAT is not a political organization , does not represent any foreign state, and does not carry out activities related to intelligence or espionage.

05:04

Speaker A

Therefore, it declares that it maintains no official or unofficial link of collaboration with the General Directorate for National Security of Morocco. nor with the General Directorate for Territorial Surveillance of Morocco. As president of UIDCAT, I also deny having held

05:34

Speaker A

meetings, contacts, or relationships aimed at collaborating with those organizations in intelligence, espionage, or information-gathering tasks. Likewise, we want to recall a basic principle: the appearance of a person's name in a database or leak does not in itself prove that such

06:03

Speaker A

person is a collaborator of an intelligence service. A database is not a sentence, an accusation does not constitute proof, and a journalistic publication does not replace the work of competent judicial and security authorities. Our request is clear. We

06:31

Speaker A

want the facts to be clarified. If there is real evidence that certain people residing in Spain have engaged in illegal espionage activities or have collaborated with foreign intelligence services, that evidence must be made available to the competent Spanish

06:59

Speaker A

authorities so it can be investigated with full guarantees. And if such evidence does not exist, we consider it equally necessary to clarify how accusations capable of causing such serious damage to individuals and institutions were generated and disseminated. For this reason, UCIDCAT

07:28

Speaker A

has initiated the appropriate legal procedures regarding the publications that affect its president. Likewise, we respectfully appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office so that, if sufficient grounds are found within the scope of its powers, it may consider opening the appropriate proceedings to

07:57

Speaker A

clarify the nature and veracity of these accusations. UCIDCAT and its president express their full willingness to collaborate with any legal requirement from the competent Spanish authorities. We do not want a trial by media; we want an institutional, legal, and fact-based

08:27

Speaker A

response. UCIDCAT firmly and categorically rejects any accusation linking its president to espionage activities or collaboration with Moroccan intelligence services. UCIDCAT is a Spanish religious entity that carries out its activity within the Spanish legal framework and within the scope of its religious, social, and

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Speaker A

institutional goals. UCIDCAT and its president deny maintaining collaborative ties with the aforementioned Moroccan administrations . or any other Moroccan intelligence service. UCIDCAT defends freedom of information and the right of the media to investigate matters of public interest, but considers that

09:38

Speaker A

accusations of such gravity must be based on verified facts and respect fundamental rights. UCIDCAT rejects the idea that the current political context between Spain and Morocco could generate collective suspicion toward citizens of Moroccan origin or leaders of Islamic communities. A person's

10:11

Speaker A

origin does not constitute an indication of disloyalty. Their religion does not constitute an indication of espionage. Representing a mosque, an association, or an Islamic federation does not make anyone a suspect. It will continue working within Spanish law at the service of

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Speaker A

religious communities and committed to coexistence and institutional respect. We are not asking for privileges or for anyone to stop investigating. We ask that it be investigated, that the facts be clarified, that if evidence exists it be presented before the courts, and

11:06

Speaker A

that if it does not exist, the corresponding legal responsibilities be determined for the dissemination of such serious accusations. Thank you very much. Well, I don't know if the media accompanying us or the representatives of the communities have any questions or anything to comment on

11:39

Speaker A

regarding this subject, we will be happy to answer. of bicycle, any idea. If you can explain exactly what you explained about your name, do it. is what we have discussed. I don't remember the date it was published in a

12:16

Speaker A

video by a well-known journalist with a long journalistic career here in Catalonia. A video where it is discussed that the Jabarut hackers have managed to obtain a list of 70,000 Moroccan spies spread across the European continent. So, uh explaining

12:45

Speaker A

this news, they have released the news, and it is what interests us, that of these 70,000, 50 are activists in Spanish territory and I don't know, five or six here in Catalonia, and one of them mentions my name. So, we have

13:09

Speaker A

been trying to get this database. We have obtained this database of the 70,000. Indeed, we checked to see if our name appears there, and it does not appear on this list, but it is true that in the video the journalist

13:33

Speaker A

comments on the news and has a list posted; so we take a screenshot of the screen, we start to see the names, and that is where these names appear that are supposedly just men acting as spies in Spanish territory on behalf of

13:55

Speaker A

Moroccan intelligence services. So, from here, we first have the duty to give explanations to the public, and because we also represent more than 300 religious communities that have the right to know if the president of this federation collaborates or does not

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collaborate with the services of Morocco, and therefore, starting from this possibility. We have called this press conference first to communicate our point of view and then to give explanations to our communities regarding this information. Exactly what is it that you are denouncing,

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Speaker A

whether it is true or not, and what will you do from now on? Well, from now on, with our lawyers, we will study the legal response that we must give. So, uh, first we can't, uh, sue every media

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Speaker A

outlet where the news has been published, but we can sue the outlet, the first outlet that broke the news.

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Speaker A

We are studying, uh, the way and the appropriate legal procedure to initiate this process. And the most, the most, the most serious thing here is that the journalist claims to have consulted the CNI and that the CNI classifies this

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Speaker A

list as A 1—A 1 in the language of, of, of journalism, meaning it's a list that can be trusted—and therefore, uh , the journalist here is putting himself in a very serious predicament: either he is lying or the CNI is lying.

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Speaker A

And to know which of the two is lying, we must file a complaint before a judge , and from there, we, in our communities, also want to know the veracity of this list: if it is a real list, if this list really came out of

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Speaker A

any Moroccan administration, because we are interested, as Spaniards of Moroccan origin, in knowing if our names are being used by the Moroccan administration for purposes unknown to us. So, we are the first ones interested in knowing, first, if this

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Speaker A

list is really a list that has been integrated into any Moroccan administration or if it is a list that has been manufactured here to, uh, work to the benefit of a specific agenda. So , uh, and to find this out, we only

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have one path, which is the judicial path. Uh, good afternoon, sir. Well, I'm presenting media. Uh, we want to know if that journalist has been in contact with you to verify the information, because if he has this list, as you

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Speaker A

said, that they have had access to that list, your names don't appear. Have you received any call from this journalist?

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Speaker A

No, so far, it is normal that as journalists we have to verify the information.

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Speaker A

No, so far I have not received any, any , any call from this journalist. We even sent him an invitation to be here today. Uh, we sent it to him, we sent it to a collaborator of his whom we

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Speaker A

also know, but it seems that he is not interested in the invitation. As he said in his video that he has verified the list, that it is true. Therefore, I believe, uh, that you are going to take measures and that he has to prove that

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Speaker A

the list is truthful regarding what he has released. Yes, that is why we have made an open appeal to the prosecutor's office to open an investigation into the veracity of this document and tell us if it is a

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Speaker A

real document or not. And if it is real , whether it came from, or was crafted here, or came from some Moroccan administration. Many people ask us, Mr.

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Speaker A

Gaiduni, the final question of whether you have received any call from any Moroccan institution or from here in Spain to ask any questions to verify what has come out. No, no, up until now we have not received any call, but as

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Speaker A

we said in the statement, we are, and will be, open and available to participate and for an official investigation to be initiated regarding what has been published. Closer.

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Speaker A

Colleagues are asking questions in Spanish and also in Arabic. My question , Mr. Mohamed Gaiduni, is important: is your name actually on this leaked list?

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Speaker A

First question: is your name really there? No, as I said in Spanish, we managed to access this list that contains 70,000 names, but our name is not on this list; our name is included in another list of the journalist,

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which contains other names of other activists, the names 7,000 and some. list that the journalist has posted, and the database. The database has name , surname, DNI, uh number of uh date of birth and one more piece of data. Uh,

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Speaker A

that is the format of this list. The list that the journalist has posted on the screen has a name and that's it.

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And this name, for example, if my name appears in any Moroccan administration, it should appear as it does in my Moroccan documentation, in the Moroccan [documents] the same Mohammed Mored, and likewise the other names that appear there. Therefore, for me, this

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Speaker A

is evidence that, at the very least, this list was fabricated here; and those who fabricated it did so using the initials that appear on my Spanish ID, not on the Moroccan ID, because the Moroccan ID says Mohammed Gaiduni and

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does not say Mohammed Gaiduni El Murab. We are open to the judiciary looking into it conducting the appropriate investigation to tell us if this list is actually a list that came out of a Moroccan administration or if it is a

21:53

Speaker A

list that was fabricated here, or fabricated in Algeria, or fabricated by some other party to create these problems for us. First, I imagine that the goal of this list is, first, to make us lose trust in one another as

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institutions, to lose trust in one another. And also as within the framework of what is happening now, it appears that we are being recruited in the context of this conflict to serve interests that are Morocco against Spain, and this matter, naturally, we

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Speaker A

must all be aware of and take responsibility for because it is not just the first or the second. In the face of injustice, we must intervene using the means permitted by law, which will determine the situation. A question: has the Union Council

22:50

Speaker A

discussed these accusations, or perhaps made decisions starting with the Council of Associations? Regarding the decisions made by your Union's office, you can imagine that the office is currently only represented by three of us, given that this issue arose during

23:09

Speaker A

the summer holidays. All our colleagues are still on summer vacation, but soon, God willing, we will call for an extraordinary general assembly to study these matters calmly and take the appropriate decisions that everyone sees fit, to provide a proper response

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Speaker A

—not just to what has happened, but as it seems. We are facing many problems of this kind in the future, so at least as a body, we need a clear approach on how to handle these situations. Regarding the question,

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Speaker A

perhaps before the Spanish side, I repeat, especially given the uproar and the mention of your name: have you decided to go to court to seek justice and at the same time reveal the truth about whether that document is

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Speaker A

fabricated or has an ulterior motive? Perhaps it targets you personally, given that recently—and this no one can deny—there has been outreach work and a dynamic, especially with the youth conferences that have created a great resonance. Perhaps there are

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Speaker A

hidden hands moving, whose goal might be to target the youth who have joined your Union of Islamic Associations, and through them, target you personally. Of course, all these hypotheses are open, and the future will answer them. That is why our call was open to the public

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prosecutor to open a judicial investigation into this list, to find out the source of this list, where it came from, whether it actually came from an administration in Morocco, or if it was fabricated here. We need to know the source of this list first, as

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that will give us an idea of its purpose. Once you know who created it, you will know the goal behind it. While waiting, of course, to know this truth, which can only be uncovered through the judiciary, I stated in the statement

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Speaker A

that our lawyers have begun legal proceedings to file a lawsuit regarding the publication of this video by the journalist. Based on this lawsuit, we will naturally follow the judiciary's word on the matter. Finally, a last question, Mohammed: given this problem,

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do you perhaps have evidence or documents that you could release to the public to help? Perhaps you are saying I trust They say we aren't obligated to prove our innocence; it's up to those who accuse us to prove our guilt. This

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is, of course, a fundamental principle of freedom and the law. This meeting we held today wasn't an attempt to prove our innocence, but an exercise of responsibility. There are several others whose names were on the list, but since they don't hold this type of

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Speaker A

responsibility, they chose not to take this step, which is their right, and we understand that completely. There is no issue there. The reason we took this step, as I stated in the declaration, is that the attendees and patrons of

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Speaker A

these mosques have the right to hear our side, as there may be misinterpretations or false reports, and so on. Therefore, we must take responsibility, face the facts, open the file, and initiate the discussion, both within our internal bodies and...

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Speaker A

We spoke about the subject and answered all the questions, but the goal is not to prove our innocence, because I am not required to prove our innocence or that of the institution in this matter.

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Speaker A

Rather, the purpose of filing the lawsuit is to demand that this journalist prove his allegations with evidence. Speaking of the journalist, this is a direct question, Mr. Mohamed: did you contact him or invite him to this press conference? Actually, I

28:23

Speaker A

already said we sent...We sent him an invitation; we sent an invitation to his friend or partner, but they didn't respond to the invitation. Of course, we know—in parentheses—the motive behind posting the video. We’ll keep what we know about these things to

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Speaker A

ourselves because, as we have chosen to let this go through the courts, we have full confidence that the judiciary will ultimately have the final word. Thank you. Journalist, the charges are erroneous, and he named certain people.

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Speaker A

For example, he named someone I know as a journalist who isn't a journalist, and there were people mentioned who have already passed away. He also contacted someone from an association.

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Speaker A

And why didn't he contact you, for example, since he knows you very well? And so, we see that what he is showing us or reporting has no truth to it, because there are people who are no longer with us,

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right? And that is what I said: from the video, you can conclude many, many things. Do you think it’s a coincidence that the journalist brought up the name of Algeria? It is not a coincidence. That is why I said there

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Speaker A

are many interpretations we can draw from this. Therefore, we must proceed with great caution, and since we have opted for the judicial route, I think it would be best to respect these timelines and wait to see what the

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Speaker A

courts decide regarding this matter. And surely, in some time, we will meet again to communicate the judicial resolution regarding this issue. Well yes, yes, yes. It’s just a question about, uh, the analysis that...because we have seen and observed the way the

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journalist, and well, journalist because I don’t know exactly if this journalist is registered with the Association of Journalists, uh, of Spain, and how he has tried to analyze the matter in a chameleon-like way, that is, not confirming and at the same

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Speaker A

time trying to, uh, show that the matter is, well, real. So, I don't know if you have been able to contact the association of journalists to find out if, well, they assume responsibility for the statement or not. No, look, the

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Speaker A

journalist is a journalist with a known track record. He has even won several journalistic awards. We are not talking about a person who has just started their journalistic career, nor about a person we don't know. He is a person we

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know from...I have known him for at least 20 years, uh, and therefore he has been on several, on several networks, both national, uh, and Catalan, uh, and he has his, let's say, uh, journalistic track record, uh, whether we like it or not, uh, let's

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say, uh, important. Therefore, he, uh, will know, uh, how, uh, he has approached the subject. Uh, yes, in his intervention he tried to leave, uh, or tried not to, uh, confirm the information he is giving by saying allegedly, allegedly, but at the same

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time I think he has made two serious mistakes. First, uh, he confirmed that, that the list is behind Algeria, and he confirmed that he has communicated with or consulted the CNI. And here we are not talking about, come on, nonsense,

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we are talking about very serious things that a journalist with consults the CNI and they confirm to him that the list is from Algeria. So, this...

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Speaker A

aren't we facing...? Uh, and he knows why he brought up this, uh, uh, this information in his, in his, uh, video: because it has its weight and has, has, uh, he has it as a reference that what he is saying, although he used the verb

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"allegedly,""allegedly" several times, but then he confirms it because he says he has consulted the CNI and they have confirmed that the list is from Algeria . And, therefore, uh, it's what I've discussed, uh, uh, with several colleagues: that if this journalist

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Speaker A

limits himself to saying it is a list circulating in the media and that they supposedly say these people are spies for Morocco here. We don't have to say anything here, because at no point is he confirming the news, but if he says

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he has consulted the CNI and they told him the list is reliable, then we are in another scenario, and this scenario must be followed to the very end to see who lied here: him or the CNI? It cannot be. But It came out after the

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events that took place. The information This that we have concluded is that the publication comes in this context.

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Speaker A

Complex [context] that we are living through today, and uh between Morocco and and and Spain for uh the incidents in Melilla. And, therefore, we are very clear that this leak has to do with, the dissemination of this news has to

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Speaker A

do with this crisis situation that exists today between uh between Morocco and Spain. That is what we have said.

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Speaker A

It is one thing that the media has every right to analyze a political, geopolitical matter, and another to implicate Spanish citizens of Moroccan origin in the conflict by outing them.

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Speaker A

Sure. What do you mean? That in the middle of a crisis you say that there are 50 active Moroccan spies in Spain.

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Speaker A

Uh uh, this can only be explained uh in a certain way, that these people today are working uh in the middle of a crisis between Morocco and Spain in favor of the Moroccan intelligence services. It's just that that is what

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Speaker A

anyone would understand from this publication. This is false. It cannot be, we cannot accept these very serious accusations that put us in a position we cannot accept. Well, that is for those who published this news to say.

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We do not know if this comes from, uh, the far right or because, ah, we can go beyond the far right. Or I don't know, honestly I don't know, but I do, uh, have the feeling that, uh, this news

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Speaker A

has a lot to do with the crisis we are living through today between Spain and Morocco.

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Speaker A

Thank you. Yes, any further input. Well , having said that, thank you very much and I hope uh that we return to normalcy. As a federation, we have a lot of work to do. Uh, instead of being here today at this press conference, we

38:08

Speaker A

could be responding to the requests of the communities, which are very numerous. But well, if we have to stand up for something, then we will always be there. Uh, and I hope that the communities are alert to everything

38:29

Speaker A

that is being fabricated. Uh, because only, uh, with the unity of these communities, with a bit of the spirit of, uh, of, uh, intelligence, uh, can we face these situations, uh, and emerge from them, uh, as always, uh,

38:53

Speaker A

with more strength, with more desire to work, and with more desire to say that we are here to serve this country.

39:06

Speaker A

Thank you very much.

Topics: Mohamed Al-Ghaidouni Union of Islamic Communities of Catalonia UCIDCAT Moroccan intelligence espionage allegations Javarut platform press conference Spain-Morocco relations religious communities media accusations

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