**Схема обману МФО: чому не варто боятися колекторів #іслінг #мфо #кредиткаса — Transcript & Summary | SozAI**
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A lawyer explains why microfinance loan collectors often lose in court due to lack of proof of identity and improper evidence.

## Key Takeaways

- Microfinance companies often fail to prove the borrower's identity in court due to weak electronic evidence.
- High interest rates alone do not determine court outcomes; evidentiary issues are decisive.
- Loan agreements signed via SMS codes require robust verification to hold up legally.
- Defendants can win cases by demanding the creditor prove who actually signed and received the loan.
- Court cases may be complicated by outdated company addresses and notification issues.

## What the video covers

- A young woman from Poltava took a 6,200 UAH online loan from Kredytkasa, which escalated to a 57,000 UAH debt claimed by the company in court.
- The creditor, Ukreditfinance, directly filed the lawsuit without involving debt collectors or factoring companies.
- The loan approval process was extremely fast and fully online, raising questions about verifying the borrower's identity.
- The loan had an extremely high daily interest rate of 3%, resulting in an astronomical annual rate of over 572,000%.
- The court case was initially filed at an outdated company address, causing potential issues with notifying the defendant.
- The defendant claimed she never took the loan, challenging the company to prove who actually signed the agreement.
- The company provided a contract, SMS code logs, and a money transfer receipt, but failed to prove the phone number and email belonged to the client.
- The court ruled that the evidence was insufficient to confirm the defendant signed the contract or received the money.
- The lawyer’s defense strategy focused on forcing the creditor to prove the identity of the person who took the loan, not just denying the loan.
- This case highlights common pitfalls in microfinance loan disputes and the importance of proper identity verification.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Loan Background
2. 01:01 Plaintiff and Loan Processing Details
3. 02:07 Loan Approval Timeline and Online Process
4. 03:11 Loan Terms and Interest Rates
5. 04:29 Court Jurisdiction and Notification Issues
6. 05:29 Defendant’s Claim and Evidence Evaluation
7. 06:29 Defense Strategy and Legal Approach
8. 07:41 Electronic Signature and Verification Challenges
9. 09:30 Bank Confirmation and Evidence Gaps
10. 12:26 Case Outcome and Broader Implications

Answers

## Questions about this video

Why did the court deny the creditor's claim despite the large debt?

The court denied the claim because the creditor failed to prove that the defendant actually signed the loan agreement or received the money, as the electronic evidence was insufficient.

What is the significance of the SMS code in the loan agreement?

The SMS code serves as a one-time identifier to sign the contract electronically, but without proof that the code was entered by the actual borrower, it is not sufficient evidence.

How can borrowers defend themselves against microfinance loan claims?

Borrowers can demand the creditor provide technical and verifiable evidence proving their identity and consent, rather than simply denying the loan, which can lead to winning the case.

## Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown

00:00

Speaker A

6,200 UAH. That is exactly how much, according to the Kredytkasa company, a young girl from the Poltava region took out as an online loan. And two years later, the company went to court with a debt of 57,000, and the court denied

00:14

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the creditor's claim entirely, without collecting a single hryvnia. If you have a loan with Kredytkasa or any other online company, listen to the end, because the scheme is usually the same for the vast majority of microfinance organizations. Now take a

00:30

Speaker A

look at what the company brought to court. It’s a contract, a signature with an SMS code, a log of actions in their system, and a money transfer receipt. At first glance, everything seems to be in order. But then one

00:44

Speaker A

document from the company itself appeared in the case. A standard procedural motion. And one phrase in it forced a completely different look at all the other evidence. We will return to this document later. Let’s start with who—well, who actually filed the

01:01

Speaker A

lawsuit. Behind the Kredytkasa service stands the limited liability company Ukreditfinance. It is the very party that is the plaintiff in this case. And the loan, according to the company, was processed through the Kredytkasa website. Here is an important point.

01:18

Speaker A

Very often, it is not the company that issued the loan that comes to court, but a factoring company. In simple terms, debt collectors who bought your debt from the original creditor. And then, a whole separate story is added

01:32

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to the court proceedings. Did the debt actually transfer? And based on what documents? And for what amount? In this case, there was no factoring—no debt sale agreements, no registries. The original creditor came to court themselves—the one who, by their own

01:48

Speaker A

admission, issued the money. It would seem this is the best-case scenario for the company. All documents are in their possession, nothing was lost during a resale. But even so, they lost. Let’s see how this loan appeared in the first

02:07

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place. The company provided the court with a log of actions in their system, and it is very telling in itself.

02:15

Speaker A

August 6, 2023, it was a Sunday, 9:20 PM, someone logs onto the Kredytkasa website. A minute and a half later, an application is created. Another 22 seconds later, the application is approved. 22 seconds, and the decision to issue the money was made. At 9:24 PM

02:35

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. They click "I accept" on the agreement, receive an SMS code, enter the code, and within one second, the money is sent to the card. From entering the site to the transfer: 4.5 minutes. No office, no personal meeting

02:54

Speaker A

, not a single phone call. The entire process takes a few minutes online. Very convenient. But as long as everything happens remotely and so quickly, one question becomes fundamental for the court. What exactly proves who was on the other side of the

03:11

Speaker A

screen? Remember this question; it will become key in this case. Now, about the terms. Loan amount: 6,200 UAH. Term: 300 days. Interest rate: 3%. Not per year, per single day. Already in the first three weeks of using the loan,

03:28

Speaker A

the agreement charges over 3,200 UAH. That is more than half the amount of such a loan in 21 days. And the actual annual interest rate, which is written right in the contract, is 572,465%. I am not mistaken. That is exactly the

03:50

Speaker A

figure in the document. Hence 57,649 UAH, er, 6,200 for the loan itself and over 51,000% interest. Admittedly, the company decided to show some so-called generosity. It applied its loyalty program and wrote off part of the interest. At the same time, it asked

04:13

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the court to collect only 27,300 UAH plus nearly 2,700 UAH in court fees. I will state an important thing right away so there are no questions. The court did not refuse the company because of the cosmic rate or the size

04:29

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of the debt. These figures are staggering, but completely different issues became decisive. And it is about them that we will talk next. Two years pass and the company goes to court, not where the girl is registered, but to a

04:44

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court in Kremenchuk at the address the company had. The court finds out where the defendant is actually registered and transfers the case to the Kobelyaky District Court. Why is this important for you? Because it happens very often.

05:02

Speaker A

The lawsuit is filed at the old address. Summons go to places where the person, well, does not live at the moment. Er, and she finds out about the court only when there is already a decision.

05:15

Speaker A

And the card has been blocked by an enforcement officer. Our client was lucky. She found out in time. And her first phrase was very simple: "I did not take this loan at all." It would seem everything is simple. Come to

05:29

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court, say you didn't sign anything, and the matter will be closed. But the court does not take your word or the company's word for it. The court evaluates evidence. And the company's file looked quite convincing: a contract of dozens of pages, a consumer

05:45

Speaker A

credit passport, a payment schedule, loan rules, and a receipt for the transfer of the money itself. And everywhere is your full name, passport number, and identification code. If there is only this file in the case, and on the other side there is silence

06:03

Speaker A

or a short "I didn't take anything," the court simply has nothing to compare it with. And such cases very often end with a decision in favor of the company. And then, well, of course, the enforcement service, seizure of

06:17

Speaker A

accounts, debits from the card where the salary or other income arrives. And that is why our lawyer took a different path. Not to prove that the client didn't take anything, but to force the company to prove that she was the one

06:29

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who did. What was done for this? Well, first, we got access to all case materials in electronic form and analyzed every company document literally line by line. Then we filed a response to the lawsuit. This is the main defense document where the court

06:48

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is explained point by point what exactly is missing in the plaintiff's evidence. Third, we filed a motion to demand additional evidence. In simple terms, we asked the court to officially oblige the company to submit what it forgot to include with the lawsuit. And

07:08

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number four. We asked for the case to be heard without the client's presence. She never once went to court, didn't have to ask for time off work, didn't stand in hallways, or feel nervous before a judge. The entire case was

07:24

Speaker A

handled remotely. Now, let's go through the company's entire chain of evidence, just as the court did. Link by link. An online agreement is not signed with a pen; it is signed using a so-called one-time identifier. This is the same

07:41

Speaker A

code that arrives in an SMS message from the original creditor. You enter the code into a field on the website.

07:48

Speaker A

The agreement is considered signed. In itself, this method is legal. But there is a question the company had to resolve. Who exactly entered this code?

07:58

Speaker A

Because a name, passport number, and identification code are just data. By themselves, they do not prove that they were entered by the person to whom they belong. That is why we asked the court to oblige the company to provide

08:12

Speaker A

technical evidence. Not a printout of the contract, but the actual electronic original. When was the personal account created? When and to what number was this code sent, and how exactly did the company verify that it was truly the

08:30

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person whose data was used to take out the loan? The court sent such a request to the company. And what did they bring? The same action log I mentioned at the beginning. A table that the company created itself and which was signed by

08:45

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its own director. Yes, it contains a phone number and an email, but there is no proof that this phone and this email belong to the client herself. There is no confirmation that the person was verified as required by law. And the

09:02

Speaker A

court, of course, drew a conclusion that is worth hearing verbatim. Uh, based on the evidence in the case, it is impossible to establish that the contract was signed by the defendant and not by someone else. And the mere

09:17

Speaker A

presence of her personal data in the contract does not confirm that sh

09:30

Speaker A

And indeed, the file contains a payment service receipt. 6,200 UAH transferred to a card. The card number is masked with asterisks. Only the first and last digits are visible. And next to it is a company statement stating the

09:45

Speaker A

recipient's name. Well, at first glance it sounds solid, but who entered this name into the statement? The company itself. The court noted as much: "The fact that the statement contains the full name does not prove that the card

10:01

Speaker A

belongs to this specific person." The issuance of a loan must be confirmed by a primary payment document from a bank or directly from the financial institution. And such a document was not in the case file. And this is where

10:16

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we get to the document I mentioned at the beginning. After our response, the company filed a motion with the court.

10:25

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She asked the court to obtain information from the bank and explained why she could not do it herself.

10:32

Speaker A

Literally speaking, the plaintiff lacks information about the bank card holder because it is bank secrecy. Think about that. A company files a lawsuit, claims it issued money to a specific person, and at the same time informs the court

10:47

Speaker A

in writing that it has no information about who owns the card to which, according to its own version, these funds were sent. The court granted the company's motion and sent a request directly to the bank. And here is

11:02

Speaker A

another detail that is visible only if you put the documents side by side. The transfer receipt shows a card with a number ending in 4639. But in the motion, the company asked the bank to check a completely different card, the

11:18

Speaker A

one ending in 936. Yes, the bank replied specifically about this card that it was asked about. The official response is short. No such card was issued in the name of our client. So, the company itself asked to check the

11:37

Speaker A

card, and this check also failed to confirm the creditor's version. The court considered this response from the bank and noted that the checked card did not belong to our client, and the company's own statement did not prove that she was the one who received the

11:54

Speaker A

6,200 UAH, which was all that remained of the entire chain. There is no proof that she signed the agreement. There is no proof that she received the money.

12:03

Speaker A

And the check initiated by the company itself turned against it. And the last link is the debt amount. The company showed a total debt of 57,649 UAH, but asked to collect 27,300 after applying its own loyalty program. But the court

12:26

Speaker A

no longer needed to look into whether everything was calculated correctly. The logic is simple. If it is not proven that a person entered into an agreement and received money, then the calculation made directly by the company itself does not prove the debt.

12:41

Speaker A

Often, there is nothing to calculate interest from. At the same time, the defense also prepared a fallback objection regarding the amount of interest, in case the court still recognized the agreement as concluded.

12:54

Speaker A

This was not an admission of debt; it was insurance. But the court did not evaluate it because it denied the claim on the main grounds. On September 23, 2024, the Kobeliaky District Court of Poltava Oblast decided to deny the

13:11

Speaker A

lawsuit of Ukrcreditfinance in its entirety. Not 6,200, not 21,000% interest, not a single hryvnia. Even the court fee of 2,662 UAH 40 kop. was left for the company to pay, meaning the company paid for its own lawsuit.

13:33

Speaker A

Now about why this case is worth a separate video at all. Look again at the folder the company brought to court . The log of actions in the system was created and signed by the company itself. The transfer certificate with

13:47

Speaker A

the recipient's name was created by the company itself. The debt calculation with the loyalty program was also created by the company itself. In other words, most of the evidence consists of documents that the company wrote about itself and in its own words, just as it

14:03

Speaker A

was convenient for it. The court distinguishes between two things: a document that proves something, and a document where one party simply tells their version of events. A statement you wrote yourself cannot be used as evidence that you are actually in the

14:19

Speaker A

right. That is precisely why the decision rested on documents that the company could not control, well, at all . This was a response from the bank and her own petition, where she herself stated that there was no information

14:33

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about the cardholder. Now imagine another scenario, the same one that happens almost every day. Debt collectors call a person, offering a discount or some loyalty program: "Pay off at least a portion, and we will leave you alone." The person, tired of

14:50

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the calls, transfers 1,000-2,000 from their card just to have some peace and quiet. And right there, they hand over the very piece of evidence that the company was missing in our story. A payment from their own card, in their

15:06

Speaker A

name, with no asterisks in the number. The company can present such a payment as confirmation that the person has acknowledged the debt. Furthermore, some such payments can restart the statute of limitations during which the company can go to court. In other words

15:23

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, those 1,000-2,000 UAH paid just to be left alone can cost you much more than it seems at first glance. Therefore, if you receive a lawsuit for a loan you didn't take, don't start by talking to a collector. Open the attachments to

15:40

Speaker A

the lawsuit and find two things. The card number to which the money was allegedly transferred, and the phone number that allegedly received the code . If they are yours, you can confirm it . Or conversely, you know for sure that

15:56

Speaker A

these are not your details. If even one digit does not match, your case already has a question that the company will have to answer additionally. And if it does match, it is still not a verdict.

16:09

Speaker A

There is still the interest rate, the terms, and the loan agreement itself to consider. Dealing with such figures is our daily work at the Isling law firm.

16:19

Speaker A

Show us the documents, and we will analyze whose card it is, whose phone it is, and what can be done about it. I will leave our contact information in the description below this video. And finally, a concluding thought on this

16:32

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case. The company waited two and a half years to come to court. They had everything in hand that they considered to be evidence. But they lost the case.

16:42

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And they lost not because the young woman said, "I didn't take anything," but because the company never found an answer to who was on the other side of the screen when the contract was signed . After all, the loan was approved and

16:56

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issued in just 4.5 minutes without proper identification and without any proof of exactly who this loan was issued to. Okay.

Topics: microfinance online loan loan fraud Kredytkasa Ukreditfinance loan dispute court case identity verification SMS code high interest rates

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