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Lior Suchard demonstrates mind-bending abilities and intuition on Russian TV, challenged by illusionists Safronov brothers in live experiments.

## Key Takeaways

- Lior Suchard demonstrates remarkable mind-reading and psychokinetic abilities on live TV.
- Skepticism remains, but the experiments challenge conventional explanations.
- Belief and intuition are central themes in understanding Lior’s performances.
- The Safronov brothers provide a professional illusionist perspective, adding credibility and tension.
- The show blends entertainment with serious inquiry into paranormal claims.

## What the video covers

- Lior Suchard claims to bend coins and spoons using the power of his mind, demonstrating these abilities live on Russian TV.
- The Safronov brothers, famous Russian illusionists, travel to Tel Aviv to investigate and replicate Lior's feats.
- Lior discusses his early discovery of his abilities and his belief in intuition and energy management.
- Experiments include blindfolded driving assisted by a co-pilot’s eyes, and guessing personal information like phone numbers.
- The show explores skepticism, with guests debating whether Lior’s acts are genuine or illusions.
- Lior emphasizes the importance of belief and energy sensitivity in performing his feats.
- The program includes interactive intuition games involving audience participation and personal objects like watches.
- Historical context is given by comparing Lior to Soviet telepath Roza Kuleshova, highlighting the legacy of psychic phenomena.
- The Safronov brothers express both amazement and fear during some demonstrations, showing the intensity of the experience.
- The episode ends with reflections on whether Lior’s abilities are a true gift or a sophisticated trick.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Coin Bending Demonstration
2. 03:09 Personal Stories and Phone Number Guessing
3. 05:53 Blindfolded Driving Experiment and Fear
4. 08:08 Discussion on Spoon Bending and Skepticism
5. 10:33 Intuition Game with Watch and Audience Participation
6. 13:57 Historical Context and Comparison to Soviet Telepaths
7. 17:54 Further Demonstrations and Audience Reactions
8. 19:40 Final Reflections on Lior’s Abilities

Answers

## Questions about this video

Can Lior Suchard really bend coins and spoons with his mind?

Lior demonstrates these abilities live and attributes them to intuition and energy control, though skepticism remains and some consider it a sophisticated trick.

How do the Safronov brothers contribute to the show?

The Safronov brothers, as professional illusionists, attempt to replicate Lior’s feats and provide a critical perspective on the authenticity of his abilities.

What role does belief play in Lior Suchard’s performances?

Belief is emphasized as crucial; Lior states that believing in oneself and the energy involved is necessary to perform and understand these psychic phenomena.

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00:00

Speaker A

He claims that he can bend a coin with the power of his mind. Give me some more coins. Ah, oh, great.

00:08

Speaker A

That's how people were gathered for a ticket. I want you all to believe right now that you can bend a coin with the power of your mind.

00:21

Speaker A

Imagine the coin is bending. A strange sensation, yeah. Do it like this. Open it.

00:43

Speaker A

Oh, can I have a movie? They were amazed. That's completely impossible. Who is he? A man with superpowers or a great illusionist? We sent the famous Russian illusionists, the Safronov brothers, to Tel Aviv to try and unravel his secrets on the spot. Today,

01:09

Speaker A

Lior Suchard is in our studio, and the Safronov brothers will try to replicate what Lior does throughout our program.

01:18

Speaker A

Will they succeed? Lior Suchard, on a direct flight from Tel Aviv. Lior, what was that sound just now? Take it easy, there's no need for that right away. I just walk into the studio, and it starts immediately.

01:46

Speaker A

And that's just the beginning. What will happen next? Let's see. By the way, your wife, who wakes up in the same bed with you every day, do you really read her thoughts?

01:58

Speaker A

Yes, every morning. Uh, yes, he would have shot himself by now. She's a blonde.

02:08

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Joke, joke, it's a joke, of course. Is she dyed or what? No, no, it's for real. Stunning. Does she read your thoughts?

02:24

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Always. I think she is the only being who can understand me without words. She understands what I do. She believes in me. She is very positive. That's the most important thing.

02:44

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But we can't just take your word for it right away. So we will have to see a lot today. By the way, how did you meet her?

02:53

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Well, here is what I did. I had a very, so to speak, wonderful line to approach her with. If I guess what your phone number is, can I call you on that number?

03:09

Speaker A

Oh, not everyone can approach a girl like that, right, with such an offer. And how did you find out the phone number in the end?

03:21

Speaker A

What are you asking me? I read people's thoughts. I have no thoughts at all.

03:33

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Do you have a phone number? Yes. Can you determine my number? Technically, it is possible.

03:46

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Technically and mobile. I'll call you later. I'm just hitting on the guy. I think all girls could hit on such a handsome guy.

04:00

Speaker A

Translate, translate. Take it easy. In Tel Aviv, they are showing Channel Russia 1, and right now Lior's wife is watching all this through a rifle scope.

04:10

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Actually, Lior, how did it all start? At what moment did you become who you are? I was 6 years old, and I began to realize that I had this special sensitivity, a certain intuition. And I learned how to control this energy, how

04:31

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to manage it. I started bending spoons, so to speak, you rub the spoon. They started to bend. I look at something, and it starts to move. And I think that everyone has energy inside, and you need to know how to use it.

04:58

Speaker A

We already mentioned that you went with the Safronov brothers, you were together in Tel Aviv. In our studio, one of the Safronov brothers, Andrey, is here. Well, Sergey is with us too.

05:07

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Now there are two of them. Yes, wait. But Andrey flew with you. Hello. Hello. Well, you certainly scared me back then. You made me worry.

05:20

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Let's see how Lior scared you. Oh, I wanted to ride in a car like that.

05:26

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What is happening here, Andrey? Good. Super. Ask him to leave a small gap. Everything to be fair. Lior put on modeling clay, stuck it over his eyes so that nothing could be seen at all.

05:42

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Plus, he put on a special bag over it, which we all checked together. Nothing could be seen through it.

05:53

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Exactly, exactly. Yes. Andrey, what was so scary for you at that moment? Well, you can see on his face that it's scary. He was counting.

06:13

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Even though I know all the nuances of this experiment, I was still so scared because at one point Lior accelerated so much, and there was a parked car ahead in our path. I thought he was about to crash into it.

06:25

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Yes, that was visible on your face. Still, they didn't buckle up. So there was some kind of trust, you understand?

06:29

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If he knows the nuances of the experiment, then these are the nuances of the experiment.

06:34

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First of all, you can practice a few times, do these laps, and I believe, I like it that way.

06:39

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No, believe me, the trajectory wasn't calculated, nothing was worked out, but it's an empty space, go ahead and practice walking at home with your eyes closed, and you still wouldn't be able to just walk through it like that. All

06:51

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right, all right. We are sitting here in the 21st century, all adults. What are we going to do now? Pretend we believe that a person with closed or bandaged eyes can drive a car.

07:01

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First of all, it has long been proven that the sixth sense exists. Let me go in order later.

07:08

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I have an acquaintance, his name is Yuri Gorny, who does the exact same trick, only he also puts in coins, and puts in modeling clay, and ties the exact same bag. And he has the conscience not to call it a miracle. He

07:21

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says: "It's a trick, but even for you, Sasha, it's a trick, of course, a trick." And we have known each other for a quarter of a century. He says: "I won't even tell you the secret of this trick,

07:30

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I make my living with it." And as for the spoons, I have a key here, well, for the safe, or rather, the deposit box where I put my phone. You can bend it, I'll hold it in my hands.

07:42

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Well, here's the key. A normal key. Provocateur. Why a provocateur? It's a fair question. First of all, I never accept any challenges. Usually, when people throw challenges at you, they have a negative attitude. They want to test you, you

08:08

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see? But that's only natural, it's only natural. Prove your, your... You claim that you bend steel spoons.

08:15

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How can I believe you? You're an adult, let's be a little... So, let's get back to the key. Maybe you'll really collect your thoughts, and decide to do it. But tell me about it, how do you do it, Lior? Yes, many

08:35

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things I do are connected with intuition. There must be great sensitivity, intuition. That's why the experiments I'll do today are about whether people believe and about energy. And what does it mean "believe" and "don't," people believe their eyes. We

08:57

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see you driving with your eyes closed. First of all, you need to believe in yourself.

09:03

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In yourself. Tell me, if the person who sees everything wasn't sitting next to you, would you be able to perform the same trick? Well, just like that, with your eyes closed, blindfolded? Yes, and yes and no. This experiment, it's that

09:24

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second sense, when you feel the road not through your own eyes, but through another person's eyes.

09:32

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So you were looking at the road through Andrey's eyes? Yes, exactly. Let's play an intuition game. May I have your watch? For a second. The watch. Do you know how much it's worth?

09:45

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I'll tell you now. Yes, I'll check now. Not very much. I'll take it out now. Just a second.

09:57

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And who will we do this with? Let's do it with you. Come over to me.

10:05

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A very simple game. Well, maybe... bring a marker, please. A marker. A marker. A marker.

10:13

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Okay. Alright. A marker like this. Thank you. So, take it. Don't let go, don't let go.

10:24

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Let's take a breath. Inhale. Inhale deeply. Then exhale, close your eyes. We're watching, we're watching.

10:33

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Start turning with this hand. Very slowly, turn slowly. When you want to stop, then stop, understood, yes?

10:44

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Whenever you want to stop, keep turning, and then stop whenever you want. Well, today, at least, so, that's it.

10:57

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Open your eyes. So, what time does our watch show there? 15, right? Quarter past four, right? 4:15.

11:10

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Uh-huh. 4:15. Everyone sees it, right? Okay. And the camera. So, you have set everything. So, your watch, I will write down on the board or on this tablet, 4:15.

11:32

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4:15. And my next question. I want to ask you, what is your name? Close your eyes. Gulya, every week I travel somewhere, to some city in the world. Imagine some famous cities of the world in your head. Tell me, which

11:56

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cities do you know, the most famous ones? Moscow. Moscow. Many cities famous in the world. Let's stop. Stopped. Open your eyes.

12:14

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So you saw all these cities in your head. Say the name of these cities.

12:21

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London. You said London. London. I want to tell you some

12:39

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Tell us honestly, did someone tell you to choose London specifically? No. It was you who chose this city. And nobody knew she would name London. Yes.

12:55

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And you set 4:15. I want to show you something. I took a selfie last week, and the selfie was here at Big Ben in London. Wait, look at the time Big Ben shows.

13:20

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Bravo. 4:15. So what is this? Hand manipulation, hypnosis, did he somehow suggest the word London to you? You know, it seems to me that this man, Lior, he combined several things. He knows the laws of physics, he knows the

13:40

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laws of the morphogenetic field, he knows the laws of quantum physics, he understands the laws of the universe, and he is truly an ordinary man. He is a man of the future. This man shows us why such people have always existed.

13:57

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Who we will be tomorrow. He really stunned everyone. He is one of many who will be here tomorrow.

14:06

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So who is Lior Suchard? A great illusionist or a man with real superpowers? We will figure out this trick and many others with the help of the Safronov brothers in a couple of minutes. In the studio is Lior Suchard,

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a world-famous mentalist. Mentalist, that's what he calls himself. People like that used to be called telepaths, they were called all sorts of things; along with the Safronov brothers, he conducted several very impressive experiments in his homeland, Israel.

14:51

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The results of these experiments, and perhaps their exposure, live on air. In Tel Aviv, in Yarkon Park, Lior Suchard asks people to close their eyes. He positions them, seemingly chaotically.

15:02

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He asks people to hold hands. With their eyes closed, they follow Lior's request. He hands them markers and sheets of paper.

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There is a marker. He asked you to draw what you drew. Something abstract, ordinary, small, not simple. Tell me the balloon wanted to go for a walk The most common drawing in the world is a smiley face. So, I'm asking you with

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your eyes closed not to draw a smiley face. Draw any picture that you want.

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Something simple, something that has a concept, what you want to change in your head, what you usually want, abstract, a big drawing on a white sheet. And when you finish drawing, press the sheet against your chest.

16:02

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And the audience begins to draw. Just a few moments. Lior asks everyone to open their eyes. It turns out that all the participants in the experiment drew the same thing, one sign, because he originally lined people up in the shape

16:17

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of a peace symbol. That is, a circle of people was created, and in the center were the lines completing this symbol.

16:30

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Look, from above you can see dozens of people forming the figure that they all drew on their sheets as if on cue.

16:38

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Let's invite Ilya Safronov, who was commenting on it and saw it all with his own eyes. Ilya Safronov is in our studio. What will he say?

16:54

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Could you have done that? A direct question, of course. What else? We could have done that. We had no doubt, that's why we really wanted you to go there and see it all with your own eyes. Did I understand correctly,

17:12

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everyone drew the same sign, but at the same time Lior said a few words. Just not smiley faces, just not And then, you don't understand, he spoke, the translator spoke Hebrew, right?

17:27

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Yes. And how do you know what he told them there? Maybe there wasn't an accurate translation by the interpreters. Ah, Andrey, no, no, this was truly pure, everything was honest. It was a real experiment.

17:41

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Our translators were standing there. We don't know Hebrew, we know a little English. And I can say that in this case, the experiment was truly clean.

17:50

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And Lior is a professional in his field . All these people, first of all, they didn't know what would happen. And secondly, when I asked them to stand, then they drew that figure. They were standing in the shape of that peace

18:16

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sign before they drew that sign. This is very, that is, that is a technique, a method of mass influence of people on each other.

18:28

Speaker A

Aha. But did you arrange them in that shape or did they arrange themselves? Well, this is straight out of the theory of the collective unconscious.

18:37

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They were drawing. But do you understand what the point is? There is also a very important moment. After all , you can nudge a person to do something. So-called gypsy hypnosis is based on this. And this has a purely

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psychological structure to it. Let me finish, what are you saying now? Everything is clear. No, when a person says "not a smiley," they are implying some kind of circle. Let me finish, for goodness 'sake. I have listened to you.

19:01

Speaker A

I am a psychologist. Uh-huh. So, not a magician. Exactly. Let’s hear from the professionals.

19:05

Speaker A

They said they could repeat it. Wait a minute. They just said they arranged the figures. What are you coming up with? A bicycle. Naturally, they will draw a shape. What is unclear here? Why? If you understand, they set

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up their figure first, and then they demonstrated the figure. How was it really? Of course, standing on the ground, we only see from above that it's a circle, but on the ground, you wouldn't know.

19:36

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That doesn't mean an information field was imposed on you. They are already standing in that shape. What does that have to do with us seeing the information field? It’s psychological manipulation. On one hand, they see from the side, yes, that people are

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moving, it’s one of the hypnosis techniques that Lort uses. Exactly right. It’s one of the moves, and by making a few moves gradually, he forces them to mentally do it—it’s an intrusion into a person's will.

20:06

Speaker A

Hypnosis, yes, suggestion, yes, suggestive influence. What is that? Well, it’s, essentially , suggestion; suggestion is taking place.

20:14

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Tell me, if you had placed the guys not in a circle, but in a square, would they have drawn this...?

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Well, let Lort answer. Yes. It was actually very, very difficult. If you look at the video, what was the instruction? Draw whatever you want, but not a house. But that’s too common. Draw something special. Not just something common, but whatever you

20:45

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want. And there are infinite possibilities here, I think. Suppose someone decided to draw a star or a spiral or something, but no one drew that. And I was focusing, concentrating to influence everyone, to implant this figure into their minds, into their

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heads. What is the idea? It's not to influence you so that you draw that specific figure. The idea is to plant this figure in your mind, so that you imagine this figure yourself, draw it, and make it your own desire. Well, on

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the surface, it looks like hypnosis, perhaps, but hypnosis varies. It looks like hypnosis. But my opinion is that let the hypnotist......

21:37

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only the figure itself is from hypnosis . Meaning, it’s an influence on us, that people were placed in such a shape and they, let's say, drew it. That's for the viewer. For the participants, the scheme is somewhat different. As a

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hypnotist, I can say 100%. I am no magician and cannot know the nuances of tricks, but for now, it seems more related to psychology.

22:04

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You are all right in your own way. And every artist, every professional, uses in their arsenal all the methods that you are mentioning. There is hypnosis involved, and influence over people, psychological maneuvers that force people, that provoke them into certain actions

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imposed by the artist. Everything is used: tricks and ruses alike. And no professional artist will ever say, they will never say, what they used in a specific act. Once, we were talking with Uri Geller, and he told us that

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his whole life people tried to expose him. They said he was a charlatan, that it wasn't mind reading, not extrasensory perception, not any magical abilities. He spent his whole life proving otherwise. Once he said: " Okay, fine, have it your way. You can

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criticize me, expose me, but I will keep doing my job. I will keep surprising the audience. I did it before and I will do it again. And as for how I do it? Let the viewer decide.

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" When an artist says that and acts as a regular magician, that's fine. Yes, it is a noble art of the circus and variety stage.

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But when a person starts talking about mental nonsense, about reading thoughts or bending spoons with the power of thought, one must be honest: "Well yes, I perform tricks, just like thousands of other magicians." That's all there is to it. Lior,

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you must be ready for such attacks. And maybe you have heard them more than once. What do you answer in such cases?

23:33

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Of course, I hear them from time to time. First of all, I want to say this.

23:39

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Uh, the burden of proof. These rules of proof should lie with the listener, so to speak, and not with me. If it is some kind of illusionism, then one must explain why 65 people simultaneously drew the exact same thing. Give your

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thoughts to Alexander Petrovich. Well, what am I thinking about right now, right? Oh, I will never even try to guess what you are thinking. You are a very negative person.

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That is, alright. One second. I will say two words just so we don't return to this key again.

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Illusionists, as well as other magicians and sorcerers, prepare for a specific program in advance, right?

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And they cannot show anything beyond the program they have planned. That is why the key was not in our guest's, our hero's, program today. So, there is no need to demand it. He prepared for his own program. Well, how can he prepare?

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If you hid an ace up your sleeve, you pulled out two cards. This program does include guessing thoughts and mind reading. Let's talk about this, after all. You didn't want to guess Alex Nikonov's thoughts. Well, okay, find someone you consider positive. The

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choice is yours, Leor, you pick. Athena . I want everything to be fair. Right here with you. And who else from the audience wants to participate? You and someone else? Let's do it.

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How about you. Come on then, don't let me down. Come over here. Come over here. You can have a seat. Let's give it a try.

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Here's the thing. Hello. How are you? Your name is Louisa. This is an experiment about energy. And we'll try a thought-reading experiment with you.

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Right. Stand like this, Louisa, close your eyes, feet together. I will count to three. When I say three, you will feel a strange, unusual energy that will push you backward. Don't resist, just concentrate on the energy. Okay, one, two,

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three. You will feel this energy more and more. Once more. And now it will be stronger. One. Two. Explain it. Three.

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Once again. Even more. More. One last time. Concentrate. It will be five times stronger now. 1 2, three.

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Okay. Everything is fine. Thank you very much. Thank you. I I said our program is about intuition, about mind reading. May I ask you a personal question? Just one single personal question. Close your eyes. This is something I really love doing. Now

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imagine whatever you want. First love. First...first love, not first. First love. How old were you? 10. 10 years old.

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Open your eyes. Oh, what's his name? Boris. Boris. Well, guys, I don't know what this is, it's new.

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I'm sweating. But it's honest. It's not rigged. I for you, this is... Can I kiss you?

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No one ever says kind words about their colleague. But the guys, they really respect Leor. That deserves respect.

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Thank you. Furthermore, I know that the Safronov brothers are ready to repeat this same thought-reading experiment. Right.

28:27

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Yes. Yes. Please, take it. But before you do that, before you do that, Ilya, Andrei, Sergey, I want you to explain everything that just happened with the women in our studio.

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Uh, explain, you mean, can you tell us the secret behind this act? We, of course, will not do that out of solidarity with our, let's call him, colleague, but this secret exists. Is it supernatural, or is it truly a trick,

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an illusion? And Let each of you decide that for yourselves. Let every viewer decide this for themselves.

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And after the break, we will indeed decide and answer this question once and for all, when the Safronov brothers themselves repeat what Lior Suchard did . In our studio is Lior Suchard, a man who claims he can read thoughts, which

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is why he's banned from every casino in the world. Right before the eyes of the entire studio, he just read the thoughts of the people present here.

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But the Safronov brothers are here too, our renowned illusionists, who are ready to replicate these same experiments, these same tricks that Lior Suchard does. We are truly full of anticipation.

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We won't copy Lior's experiment exactly . We will try to perform our own experiment. We won't, of course, point our fingers at the people we need . We'll do it differently. We will draw lots. This will be a pure experiment.

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We will now throw a regular ball into the audience. Whoever catches it will be the participant. To make sure everything is fair. You throw it yourself.

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I will throw it myself. You throw it yourself, without looking at the audience. This Well, let's go.

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Where? There. Be careful. Yes. I caught it, I caught it. Grab it more confidently.

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Come join us. And while you are coming down to us, throw another ball in the other direction. We need two people.

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Throw one more to the other side. And now you two who caught them, come up here to us.

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Let's try. Yes, there are two sheets of paper. Write any word you want on this sheet. Yes, don't hide it, so it can be seen. Yes, yes, we aren't hiding this.

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Mom, and you write down the first word that comes to your mind. Uncle. Pick something harder, like Grandfather.

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Grandfather. Mom and Grandfather. Tell me, we didn't agree on anything in advance, and you chose the words yourselves, right, whichever you wanted ? We didn't agree on anything with you either.

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I don't remember. Aha. When it comes down to it, you immediately don't remember. Come over to us.

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Come on, my dear. Come on, Luiza Alexeevna, just talk, say a lot. Look, I can be skeptical. Of course, you can.

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For starters, we will guess your name. Luiza Alexee... Yes, we already heard that. There. So, look, this is a regular deck of cards.

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There are 52 cards here. Before the performance, I flipped one card over. Meaning one card is lying face up against all the others and is shuffled in. Now I will send it to you mentally.

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As soon as you catch it, say it out loud. Whatever the first card that comes to mind is.

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Eight of spades, spades. Eight of spades. Yes, that's exactly right. Everything is correct. Eight of spades.

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Look at what these cards are. met before the program. Show them. See, it's the only one flipped over in this deck. It has.

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Well done. But that's not all. Actually, this is why we started all this. Before this performance, I put a certain prediction in my shoe. Everything is fair. It's in the shoe. Now take it, take it, open it up, see what's written there. Open it

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up completely. The words mom, grandpa. Show everyone on camera. Super. Tell me, I didn't leave this stage anywhere and I didn't agree on anything with you in advance, right? Well, to be honest, I was in a sort of trance, but

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when I picked up the marker, specifically "mom" was just something, I can say, yes, they sent it, suggested, sent by Andrey, it happens.

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Well, okay, thank you. Let the viewer decide for themselves whether this was suggestion or what.

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The most amazing thing is, we're sitting here, I'm sitting here thinking , she will definitely write "mom".

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And there's a girl sitting there, Alice . Alice says: "And the second word will be three syllables." Well, it means the information field really does work too.

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It means these words were already known , that extrasensory perception has long been proven. So, many tricks are built precisely on extrasensory perception.

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Just an ability our Safronov brothers are perhaps some of the best illusionists I've seen in my life. They do amazing things. I never claimed that I have supernatural abilities. It is based on skills. I am very receptive to people when I say, "

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Please stand up." Who, who caught the ball here? You and you. Okay, let's talk about animals. Give the microphone to the girls. Do you remember your first pet, its name? Is there anyone in this studio who knows the name of this pet?

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Did you tell me the name? No. Hold on a second. No, no, no. Stay right where you are.

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Come here, over here. Your first one, was it a dog or a cat? And now you will feel some unusual, strange energy. Focus.

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If I guess right, please give me a high five on my palm. It starts with the letter M, Mu Mu Murchi-murchi Murchik.

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Thank you. What is this? What do you think, Alexander Petrovich? I think it is something between hypnosis and ideomotor response, because on that very same principle, say, some magicians look for a needle hidden in a huge hall with an inductor whose hand

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they are holding. That is, through the slightest, almost microscopic muscle movements, they guess where it is hidden. Apparently, it's the same principle here; it's a mental technique , yes. Actually, I can say that yes, that is, that is top-class.

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Undoubtedly, undoubtedly. But can Léo Soussar be compared to the first Soviet telepath? I am speaking about Roza Kuleshova. Indeed, in the Soviet era, when even talking about superpowers was forbidden, the name Roza Kuleshova rang out across the country. A wonder woman who could see

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with her eyes closed. She called it " skin vision," with the help of which she read, distinguished colors, and determined the shape of objects. The Kuleshova mystery was studied by the best of us. Many considered her a fraud

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, but secret laboratories were interested in her unusual gift. In our studio is Professor, Doctor of Biological Sciences, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and Honored Doctor of Russia, Yevgeny Lilin. Yevgeny Teodorovich knew Roza Kuleshova very well, as well as

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many famous telepaths. What is your impression of what you saw? It is stunning. We have three wonderful professionals here— four, I apologize. I would also like to show everyone present, including our professionals, a very quick telepathic session. Since Alexander Nikon and I

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have known each other for a long time, it is easiest for me to guess his thoughts. Sasha, look at me. I guessed it. That's it. Alexander is thinking about the ban on profanity.

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Did I guess right? No, you did not. Well, look, I am thinking, you know, I am thinking that no such thing as skin vision exists and Roza Kuleshova is just the same, yes, the same kind of swindle as, as, say,

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Messing, and so on and so forth. There. Here, I think, we shouldn't be so quick to judge, because for every thousand psychics—I beg your pardon, let me continue—charlatans, crooks, hypnotists, and brilliant illusionists, there is one person who is truly gifted

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with certain abilities. August '63, the garden of the Vishnevsky Institute on Serpukhovka, where I, a poor student coming in for a part-time job, saw a doctor who said, "Listen, come here. We are all going to be busy today. There

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is this girl here, Kuleshova. Just do something with her. We don't have time. " It was the first time I heard the name, you understand? I didn't know who she was at all. Later, it turns out that Roza Kuleshova worked at a

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chemical plant. She was a simple worker . There was a small explosion. Her eye mucosa was burned. She ended up at the Helmholtz Institute. They treated her there. And suddenly she began to say that she had something tactile, that

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her hands had started to feel and see something. She was transferred for examination to the Vishnevsky Institute of Surgery. Nobody else was interested.

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We spent 3 days with her. The first day she just showed roughly what our hero there had just done. She taped them up, didn't put a bag on her head, she read with her fingers. She guessed flowers, she guessed the time on clocks, she

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guessed any direction, and so on, and so on. So for three days I...well, someone, so to speak, on the third day says: "You know, young man, it’s all the same to me what I use to do it."" It’s all the same, I can do it with

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my feet, excuse me, I can do it with my behind." I was 18 at the time and an intellectual person. By pure chance, I had a monograph on polygenic inheritance with me. I put it on a chair, the person sat on it without a

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bag on their head and started reading. Well, you understand, it’s...it’s impossible. But I saw it, and I was there when it happened. There was no need to cover anything. Then she did it with her heels, her toes, with nothing

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covered, but she read brilliantly with her behind, and at a very high speed. That really happened.

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Alexander Petrovich, do you still not trust it? Of course, Sharla, of course, of course , I still don't, because I’ve seen many tricks of that kind. I don’t know. And I also want to say that it’s easiest to fool scientists,

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because scientists, and people from science in general, are as trusting as children. They never suspect deception.

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They always deal with nature, which doesn't deceive them. You have one narrow focus. What Yevgeny Todorovich just described about our famous telepath, how do you explain that? I’ve heard the name, but I’ve never read about it. I don’t have enough information to

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discuss it. I can tell you this much. I was also tested at the Weizmann Institute in Israel. And at the end of the experiment, they told me that they couldn’t explain the phenomena that occurred there. I actually love

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skeptics very much. Why? Because they talk so much about me, so they provide me with publicity. That’s why after this program, I’ll send you a bouquet of flowers. I will. I’ll be waiting.

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It’s been this way since I was ten. Everything I’ve done on television, various programs, corporate events all over the world, I’ve done only so that people would become children again , so they would have an element of wonder, surprise at a miracle. I am not

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trying, so to speak, to make people believe or not believe. It makes no difference to me. In reality, for me, the main thing is to experience joy.

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And for people to experience joy, so they...Lior said an important thing. Lior, I know that’s not all. That’s not all you’re ready to show us.

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Those factory staplers were never used after all. I want to try to do this, but it is truly dangerous. This is an intuition game. I tried, but it didn't go very well. But now, I think we can do it.

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Let's do this. Here is a psychologist. Yes, a psychologist. one psychologist less. No, no, I am observing. I am just just an observer nearby.

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Yes, Timofey is ready. He is scared, scared to No, no, no, no. I just want more people. Here is stapler number one. It actually withstands a speed of 100 km/h. And this thing is very dangerous.

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There is nothing in it. It's empty. Yes, well done. I guessed it. I have something too.

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Come here, come here, come here, my friend. There is nothing in it. Why are you shooting at me?

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And now he trusts me. Now he trusts me. There is nothing there. He didn't like it.

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Yes. Op. Because because it Because staples are needed. Yes, staples are needed. Come on, take them.

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How about Alice? Let's do it. So, we close it. And now we must be very careful. Very careful.

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So, we have stapler number 1, 2, 3... Which one is ours? Yes, this one, yes, this one.

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I didn't pay attention. The first, the first, I'm keep I'm watching. I sometimes see similar games in subways.

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You have to, yes, keep watching, keep watch. I am observing. You, yes. The watching observer.

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What's next? Also do it like this. Close it. Close and shuffle it. Let's you close, and you shuffle.

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So, stopped. Do you know the one with the staples? And I know too. 100%sure? Yes.

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And Timofey knows 100%. And if I do this, what then? Do you know? Yes.

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I know. Are you sure, you know, yes? Do you not know or do you know?

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You shouldn't play the shell game with our guest. I feel like beating you. So, do you know where our first stapler is? Yes.

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Yes, you know, yes? 100%sure where? Yes. Do you do you know where the stapler is ?

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Yes. I'm already confused. And now you don't know? Yes. So he saw it with his eyes then. He just saw it. So, this is an intuition game.

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He changed it. He changed it, rearranged it. Choose one stapler that you think is empty. It has no staples.

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Empty. You think this one is empty? I hope so. Are you sure or not? I'm not sure.

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And what do you think? I think there will be one less psychologist. A doctor in the studio and a coffin.

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No, well, the coffins aren't good. Good. No, there are none. Thank you. We have three more staplers. Excuse me. You love me.

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Right, let's move on. Now it's my turn. Now it's my turn. Pick a stapler for me. One out of three .

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There will be one less magician. I know. It's empty. Yeah, I sincerely hope so. I really want you to live.

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No, you must be sure. That's actually cool. See? See? Yes, I see these marks. Those are from last time, damn it. Oh, come on.

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I tried. Now, okay. So, choose, take one stapler in your left hand and one in your right.

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I also feel like I've played around with you too much. Give me one stapler. I'm trying to guide you with my mind, with my head.

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Give me the empty stapler, the one you think is empty. I'm not sure, but this one.

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You must be sure. I'm not— you can't be sure in this, understand. It's like Russian roulette.

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Russian Russian stapler. Let's do it. No, are you sure, or do you want to switch staplers?

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Let's put it in your hand. Are you sure, if it's in your hand? No.

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Do you want to switch? No, I don't want to switch. You scared me. Now I'll give you something as a souvenir. Yes, give me your hand.

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Here is which one was the last. The left. The left. This one was the last. Yes. Give me your hand.

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Give me your hand. Mom. Bravo. Evgeny Teodorovich. Your take on what we just saw. What was that?

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I saw magnificent work—in this case, not by an illusionist, but a real conjurer. A magician. A magician's work .

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Aren't illusionists and magicians the same thing? No, no, not always. This is a manipulator.

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How is this a trick if the person was suggesting with their thoughts which one to give, guys, this isn't a trick.

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He didn't prompt me at all, it's brilliant manipulation. I think that our reveal it, if you say it's manipulation . I believed in a miracle. What is the difference between a magician and a wizard? When an artist, a magician or

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illusionist, goes on stage and tells the audience that I am a wizard, I can do incredible super-things, impossible for a normal person, that is exactly how he draws us into a world of magic and wonder. If he comes out and says, "

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Guys, it's all technique, manipulation, " it won't be as interesting for you anymore. We've already done a lot today. Maybe you should show us something? Uh, let's do thi—A very short magic-themed joke: David Copperfield, thank god a great

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illusionist, tells our customs officer: "Want me to make this plane disappear right now?" It probably disappears. Our customs officer says: "Good Lord, that’s nothing.""See that freight train full of computers?""I’ll snap my fingers, and poof—green peas." Not every culture gets that humor, but we

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sure do. Yes, we want to show you some very ordinary items. We have some regular light bulbs . You can take a look. There you go.

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Better if I give them to you. I’m already nervous. And this one is completely ordinary. Check it. Choose any one of these three bulbs.

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Look, these are the most ordinary bolts and nuts. Screw them on. Take any one, choose any single bolt, and screw the nut on tight. On all the way, right?

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Well, almost all the way, yeah. To the middle. You chose this one. Good. Then I’ll take the others away.

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Choose any bulb. This one. We’ll put this one on the tray. Move these aside for now. Maybe you only works when we're together.

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Technique. Now we’ll show you some joint magic. You can call it whatever you want. We call it affecting an object.

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Lior, help me out. U help. Helping, I’m helping. That’s not all, folks. Watch closely.

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Classy. Bravo. Now I’ll try to unscrew the nut from this bolt. Bravo, bravo. That’s magic.

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Lior, well, I think you have something to learn too. Call me. We were in Israel at Lior’s show. I can tell you that the experiments, the trials he demonstrates on stage, with a real audience, look very impressive. Here’s a thought.

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We have a video. Told them to hug a tree. We have the footage, of course.

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And this is Lior Suchard’s final stunning trick, which we’ll see in a couple of minutes. Lior Suchard, a man who calls himself a mentalist. They used to be called telepaths. So, who is he really? A great illusionist, a

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magician, or a man with actual supernatural powers? Very soon, the Safronov brothers, who went through several experiments with him, will give their verdict. So, here is more footage from Israel in a Tel Aviv park with the Safronov brothers. What is happening

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here? What is the trick here? What is the magic here, Lior? What are you doing?

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Dealing with the tree. I took a random person from this group and said: "Hug the tree." And the influence was such that he, he couldn’t move away from that tree for 15 minutes. This young woman, she couldn’t tear herself away

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from that tree for 15 minutes. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I walked around the whole tree, the whole palm.

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I saw no devices, nothing tricky. Should have tickled him. Yevgeny Teodorovich, hypnosis. Suggesting that it's a girl, not a tree . That is suggestion. I won't undertake commenting on that.

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Well, a hypnotist, yes. I can say that this is done using suggestion. You can't do this with every person. Hypnotizable people, they sort of, well, the energy from the room , everything concentrates on this person. And it turns out, I've tried

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doing similar sessions when there were people absolutely immune to it. Still, among them, ten became hypnotizable.

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And how do you know if someone is hypnotizable or not? How? Well, what Leor was doing. Falling forward and back, the hand-press test, and many other things.

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Friends, actually I want to say, today we’ve been arguing the whole program, whether Leor has a gift, like Leor. I can say that, to me, we have a 100%gifted person before us. A talented and gifted person who made a huge part

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of the audience believe in miracles and magic, and that is what matters today. And not everyone is given that.

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Speaker A

Thank you. And even, and even, and even if there are people who don't believe in Leor's gift, or another artist, it doesn't matter, this person does no harm, he doesn't have a private practice, he doesn't treat people, doesn't cast out the evil eye. He

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performs on stage and puts on a quality show. How does he reach this result? That is his personal business.

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Speaker A

We must say goodbye to you now. You are late for your flight. Thank you.

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Speaker A

Thank you. Thank you. That's it, thank you. Thank you. The Sapronov brothers are leaving our studio. They are rushing to their flight. They have a show program too.

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And in their place comes a person who also knows very well what a magic show is.

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Sergey Listopa. Colleague, good afternoon. Good afternoon. Perform. Hello, Athena. Borya—that’s right. I knew Borya. And I can even guess the animal. There was a cat.

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I am an animal. Yes. No. You had a cat. I have two more animals coming to him. Okay.

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Well, of course, I need, I need the two most skeptical people in the studio. I think that's you and you. Correct. Excellent.

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I never take easy people. I could have taken someone in the studio and coached them, right? But I will take you specifically. Okay. I kiss your hands.

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You are doing the right thing. Please, come here. I will give you a sealed envelope and ask you to hide it somewhere so I can't reach it.

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That’s difficult. That’s difficult. Or you can just hold it in your hands. Okay. Hold it in your hands. I have a book and a card. I will flip through the book like this and ask you to say stop

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at any moment. Just stop me. Stop. Right here. Do you want to change your choice, or should we keep it?

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Keep it. Keep it. I'll ask you to memorize the page number and the first two words.

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Did you memorize them? Did you memorize them? You also memorize the page number and the first two words.

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Did you memorize them well? Yes, yes. Yes. Got it. I'm giving the book to you, guys. No sudden moves. So, if I can guess the page number and the first two words now, it would be amazing, right?

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Lovely. Lovely. I won't keep you waiting long, guys. Page 138. Correct. Yes. Yes. The first two words: "let's sit down." Got it. Yes, wait. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Applause. This is all nonsense, guys. Anyone can do this; I

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can teach anyone to read minds like this. Everything is tight. And now, I kiss your hands. Once again, I'll ask you to find page 138. While I was distracting you, my body left me. I ran to this book, tore it—and you listen

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now. Tore out this page. Show everyone. Page 138 does not exist in this book.

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It is not there. I'll ask you to open the envelope. Really? Open the envelope, guys? You can tell by their faces that this is a total bombshell. Take out page 138 and place it against the book. Place it against

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the book, guys, place it there. You can have the book examined, guys. If this page isn't from there, I'll give away my 200 Cruiser and 15,000 euros. Ah.

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First, give it away, and then we'll see . Well, of course, guys, I always start my performance. Who knows, I always give 35,000 euros to any guest who can just explain how I do it. I'm not saying I'm a magician. Athena has known

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me since way back, and so Yes, we were in kindergarten together. You need money.

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Speaker A

Went to kindergarten together. Leor is a very strong specialist, guys. You're picking on him for no reason.

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Speaker A

I'm doing just fine. Well, maybe you'll earn something, but will there be a cat or not?

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Speaker A

This is a very good trick. Cat. Good, remembered the cat. Look at the bridge of my nose, please. 3 seconds. I won't even come close, touch you, or probe you. Your cat's name was Tyupa.

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Yes. There it is. Wait, this is all nonsense . Stop, stop. Applause. Your cat lived for 18 years.

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Speaker A

Yes. 18 years. Stop. Applause. That's still all nonsense. Wait, now, and right now you have a new cat, also named Tyupa, and it's been living for 10 years already.

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Got it in 2005. Calculate 2005. How does he know that? This wonderful lady right here, she can tell you that I levitate. Tell them you know.

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Speaker A

Yes. Be so kind. Yes. Well, go ahead. Wait. You were talking before Steve's show. This is the first time I've ever seen him. Are you serious?

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Speaker A

Why didn't he want to do it with me? I can make it so that you perform a magic trick. You offered a key earlier.

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Speaker A

Go ahead and do it. Let me be the one to do it. Well, now you'll say that we're in on it together.

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Speaker A

No, no, no. In on what? Colluding. We aren't suspecting Boris of anything. No suspic.

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Yes, I offered a key. I saw, yes, I was watching very closely . All right. Let's see, who has a car key, who drove here?

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Okay, please take it and hold it like this with two fingers. Hold it with two fingers like this. Take the key. No, just the tip. I won't even touch it.

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Speaker A

Watch carefully. I'll step aside. There. And remember his car too. But it’s cold. One second, just a second. Borya, wait, don't worry. What's happening, Borya?

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Tell everyone, while it's still cold. While it's still cold. I see it. Wait, wait.

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Hold on to it, hold on, Borya. Hold it. But how will I drive? We’ll straighten it out. Don't worry, don't worry. You'll get home. What is happening? Borya, speak up.

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Speaker A

That's our magic. That's us. Borya, show everyone the key. The key. But it was I'm shocked myself at how they do it.

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Speaker A

It was already. That's a high level. Yes, that's good. Listen, breaking is easier than building. How do we fix it now, I'll straighten it. Let me rest for a moment.

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Speaker A

Sit down, Sergey. This is brilliant. What we’ve just seen are some amazing tricks. I am going to expose one of your tricks, after all. The key you were so eager for us to give up is still bending without you touching it.

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Speaker A

So, there must be some kind of mechanism in that thing that makes it bend. I just applaud you, forgive me.

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Speaker A

It's just that I was told to shorten my act, so I projected my energy into the room. And now everyone here is under my hypnosis: keys, money, check just in case.

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Speaker A

Well, can you bend it back? I will straighten it. Listopat, lift off the ground. I’m saying it, I’m saying it, just lift off the ground.

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Speaker A

Guys, he is lifting off the ground. This is the most powerful thing he does .

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Many, many people have seen, yes, that I lift off the ground. No, lift up, please, guys. Any trick, any miracle requires preparation. There, there, there, he’s flying. Oh, great. There it is.

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Speaker A

Did you see? No. In these same shoes, these boots. I do it barefoot. I do it barefoot.

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Lior, you have the floor. What is your impression of your current visit to Russia?

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Sitting there tired, the poor guy. Of ours. First of all, Russians are amazing people, especially in summer and especially the Russian women. That is why I keep coming back, keep coming to perform, so that people think positively and feel joy. That is why I

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will keep returning to Russia. The Safronov brothers are amazing magicians , amazing illusionists. I already told you, you can be skeptics, you can believe, it doesn't matter. The main thing is that you have a positive attitude toward yourself and, most

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importantly, that you feel like a happy person. Thank you very much, Lior, for this, for this joy, for giving us wonder and for the beautiful, wonderful show that brings us all back to childhood a little. Thank you. Yes.

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