**What puts the "Idle" in Idle Games? — Transcript & Summary | SozAI**
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Idle Isle explores what defines an idle game, arguing that true idle games prioritize efficiency and optional interaction, and that many 'idle' games are really incremental games. Cookie Clicker is ci

## Key Takeaways

- A true idle game makes player interaction optional over extended periods.
- Incremental games are not automatically idle games; the distinction matters.
- Efficiency-focused design, not forced return visits, defines a good idle game.
- Cookie Clicker is the benchmark example of the idle genre.

## What the video covers

- Idle games are popular on mobile and PC because they require little active interaction.
- A 2015 study defines idle (incremental) games as games where progress happens with minimal or zero player interaction.
- The key criterion is that interaction, while useful for progression, must be optional over extended play.
- A hypothetical tree-chopping game is used as a test case: its upgrades are optional, so it can qualify as idle.
- Idle games should be beatable or endlessly progressable without forced interaction, rather than using walls that force return visits.
- Many games labeled idle are actually incremental games with small idle components.
- Some games only become idle after paid micro-transactions or hundreds of hours of play, which does not make them true idle games.
- Cookie Clicker is presented as the purest example, where efficiency-driven progression lets players idle for long periods.
- Adding extra content can be fine if it is optional; forced interaction with that content undermines the idle experience.
- The channel aims to review idle games transparently and highlight hidden gems.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction: Why idle games are popular
2. 00:27 Defining idle and incremental games
3. 00:56 Testing a hypothetical tree-chopping idle game
4. 02:49 Can you beat an idle game?
5. 03:50 Incremental games vs. idle games
6. 04:41 Cookie Clicker as the ideal example
7. 05:40 Optional vs. forced content and conclusion

Answers

## Questions about this video

What does the video say defines an idle game?

The video cites a 2015 study defining idle (incremental) games as games where the primary strategy is leaving the game running with minimal or zero player interaction. Interaction may help progression but must remain optional over extended play.

Why does the creator say many 'idle' games are not truly idle?

Many games are actually incremental games with only small idle components, or they become idle only after paid micro-transactions or hundreds of hours of play. The creator argues that such unlockable idle features do not make a game idle at its core.

Why is Cookie Clicker used as the main example?

Cookie Clicker is described as a pure embodiment of the idle genre because it focuses on efficiency rather than walls that force manual interaction. A player can buy automation and keep progressing for long periods without returning to click.

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00:00

Speaker A

what puts the idol in idol games idol games are an incredibly popular genre of game on any platform imaginable they make perfect mobile games as you only have to interact with them once or twice a day and perfect pc games as you can

00:14

Speaker A

leave them on in the background while you're doing other things but what does idle actually mean can we really measure if a game is more idle than others or can we determine what games are allowed to claim the idle title

00:27

Speaker A

according to a study presented at the 2015 international games media conference an idol game also known as an incremental game is a genre defined by the primary feature of its strategy leaving the game running by itself with minimum or zero player interaction

00:43

Speaker A

interaction with the game while often useful for progression is optional for extended periods of gameplay the two big words are going to be looking at are in the last sentence often and optional according to this study if you were

00:56

Speaker A

given an infinite amount of time you should be able to complete an idle game with little to zero interaction so let's talk about that for a second say there was an idle game about chopping wood as you progress through

01:08

Speaker A

the forest the trees get more and more hit points you start by manually punching trees but can save up and buy a wooden axe for 50 wood that chops 5 wood a second passively this usually is the general formula for

01:21

Speaker A

any idle game heavy player interaction at the beginning to slowly give the player the rush that comes with passive progress so let's go back to the thesis of this study does my hypothetical tree chopping game stand true as an idol game interaction

01:37

Speaker A

with the game while often useful for progression is optional for extended periods of gameplay interaction with the tree game is only necessary at the very beginning so the player can afford this wooden axe an interaction would only be required if

01:50

Speaker A

the player chooses to upgrade that axe to stone iron or diamond however the upgrades are completely optional in my wood chopping game the trees simply gain more hp there is no time limit or dps thresholds you must meet given an

02:05

Speaker A

infinite amount of time you could beat this game with minimum or zero player interaction ergo interaction is optional for extended periods of gameplay but this now begs the question can you even beat an idol game usually by design these games aren't

02:22

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meant to be beaten there is an endless number of ways to slowly increase your outputs to infinity so if you're given an infinite amount of time for a game that has no end we're going to be stuck in a loop for all of time

02:35

Speaker A

let's say given an infinite amount of time there's an infinite amount of progression to be had not necessarily beating the game but if you gave the player infinite time to idle in the game could they progress to infinity without

02:49

Speaker A

hitting any walls a true idol game would operate around efficiency rather than throwing walls at the player that forced them to interact with the game a game based around efficiency would coax the player into interacting with the game without necessarily making it

03:05

Speaker A

mandatory for example if we look at my hypothetical tree game in a true idle game fashion there would be no tree that the player couldn't chop down with just a simple wooden axe yes there would probably be some trees

03:18

Speaker A

in the game that would take the player a full calendar year to break however it's still physically possible assuming interaction is optional given an infinite amount of time you could progress infinitely within this tree game i would like to say there's one part of

03:35

Speaker A

this thesis that i don't necessarily agree with the wording on an idol game also known as an incremental game i think idol games generally are incremental games that's true however i think it's an important distinction to make incremental games

03:50

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are not always idle games in fact that's what i hope to prove with this youtube channel there are lots of games out there that claim themselves as idol games however really they are incremental games with very small idol

04:03

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components i think there are quite a few games out there from my experience that are perfect reflections on what a true idol game should be contrastingly i also think there are a lot of games out there that are

04:15

Speaker A

fundamentally not idle games but with the use of micro transactions you gain the ability to turn the game into one it's a similar story out there for the games that allow you to become truly idle after sinking hundreds or thousands

04:28

Speaker A

of hours into the game just because you have the ability to idle in the game at some point either after spending real money or playing for hundreds or thousands of hours does not make it an idle game that is an

04:41

Speaker A

incremental game with an unlockable idle component i think i would be remiss if i didn't talk about one of the most famous and pure embodiments of the idol game definition cookie clicker if you're watching this video chances are you've played cookie clicker at

04:58

Speaker A

least once in your life cookie clicker by definition is a perfect example of what an idol game should be efficiency over stagnation instead of throwing up walls to force a player to come back and manually interact with in cookie clicker you can

05:13

Speaker A

buy the grandma and sit there with your computer open for a hundred years and still make progress the main focus of cookie clicker is the player's drive to improve efficiency you want to come back you want to improve

05:26

Speaker A

and you know you won't get stuck and stop making cookies all of a sudden interaction with cookie clicker while often useful for progression is completely optional for extended periods of gameplay now understandably for some people clicking cookies might not be

05:40

Speaker A

enough they might want more content to progress through while idling there are loads of idle games out there that'll satisfy that itch and as i start my youtube journey i plan on bringing some of those hidden gems to light generally

05:53

Speaker A

when an idle game adds more content or a more satisfying end game the interact-ability level goes up however that's not necessarily always the case you can have loads of content and end game while still providing a basic idle

06:06

Speaker A

experience it just comes down to how it's implemented games either add this additional content optionally for a player to explore if they choose or they add it forcefully and make the player interact with its extra content even if they don't want to

06:20

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in summation interaction with idle games while often useful for progression should always be optional for extended periods of gameplay this goes without saying but you should be able to idle in your idle games you should be able to progress over an

06:34

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extended period of time and not come back to find out you got stuck after two levels and have been uselessly idling that's how a large chunk of people quit idle games when they find out idling isn't what the game's about it's about

06:46

Speaker A

forcing you to come back over and over or else you will not progress some people really do enjoy a non-idol idol game hell i do too i made a youtube channel exclusively for idol games because i love them so much

06:59

Speaker A

not every idol game is going to be perfect but i want to help this community and create transparent reviews on all the top idle games so you know what's worth your idle time if you love idol games like i do but

07:10

Speaker A

constantly find yourself dropping them for a multitude of reasons stick around and subscribe let me idle for you and answer the question should you idle this game

Topics: idle games incremental games Cookie Clicker game design idle game definition mobile games PC games game reviews

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