**DJI vs Insta360: The Battle of the "Pocket" Cameras! — Transcript & Summary | SozAI**
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Philip Bloom reviews DJI Pocket 4 and Insta360 Luna Ultra, comparing features, image quality, and usability of pocket gimbal cameras.

## Key Takeaways

- DJI Pocket 4 is a powerful, discreet camera with important improvements but faces competition from dual camera models.
- Insta360 Luna Ultra shows strong image quality but requires firmware updates to fix issues.
- Lossless zoom modes offer convenience but come with some quality compromises.
- Regional release restrictions and NDAs limit full reviews and availability of some models like Pocket 4P.
- Autofocus and picture profile limitations affect shooting experience across these pocket cameras.

## What the video covers

- Overview of recent releases in pocket gimbal cameras: DJI Pocket 4, Insta360 Luna Ultra, and DJI Pocket 4P dual camera version.
- Focus on DJI Pocket 4’s place in the market despite dual camera competition.
- Initial review of Insta360 Luna Ultra highlighting impressive image quality but noting firmware-related issues.
- Discussion of DJI Pocket 4P’s regional release limitations and NDA constraints.
- Comparison of camera specs including sensors, lenses, zoom modes, and dynamic range improvements.
- New features in Pocket 4 such as full DLOG, lossless 2x zoom, 4K 240fps slow motion, better tracking, brighter display, and longer battery life.
- Limitations and drawbacks like quality drop in zoom modes and lack of global release for some models.
- Mention of autofocus challenges and differences in picture profiles between models.
- Impact of US ban on DJI products versus Insta360 availability in the US market.
- Personal insights and practical tips for using these cameras effectively.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction to Pocket Gimbal Cameras and Recent Releases
2. 01:29 Issues with Nikon ZR and Introduction to Pocket 4P
3. 02:51 Regional Release and NDA Constraints for Pocket 4P
4. 04:17 Focus on Cameras, Not Lawsuits
5. 05:47 Leaks and Comparison of Single vs Dual Camera Models
6. 07:24 New Features: Full DLOG and Lossless Zoom Mode
7. 08:44 Zoom Quality and 4K Resolution Discussion
8. 10:34 Slow Motion Capabilities and Limitations
9. 13:09 Camera Sensor and Lens Specs of Pocket 4P
10. 15:33 Picture Profiles, Autofocus Issues, and Market Availability

Answers

## Questions about this video

What are the main differences between DJI Pocket 4 and Pocket 4P?

The Pocket 4 has a single 20mm f2 lens and a 1-inch sensor, while the Pocket 4P features a dual camera setup with an additional 60mm f1.8 lens and a larger 1/1.28-inch sensor. The 4P is currently only released in certain regions with NDA restrictions.

Does the lossless zoom mode on these cameras truly maintain image quality?

No, both DJI and Insta360 label their 2x zoom modes as 'lossless,' but there is a noticeable drop in quality when using them, especially compared to native optical zoom.

Why can't Philip Bloom fully review the DJI Pocket 4P yet?

Because the Pocket 4P has not been globally released and Bloom is bound by an NDA and his non-sponsored relationship with DJI, limiting what he can publicly share until an official global launch.

## Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown

00:09

Speaker A

There's a lot to talk about in the pocket gimbal camera world. There's the release a couple of months ago of DJI's Pocket 4, the unexpected early release of Insta360's dual camera Luna Ultra, and then there's the is it or isn't it released Pocket 4P, DJI's own dual camera version. This isn't a full comparison. That will come later. This video will cover the Pocket 4 and whether there's a place for this camera when you've got the dual camera versions. Now,

00:26

Speaker A

released? Pocket 4P, DJI's own dual camera version. This isn't a full comparison. That will come later. This video will cover the Pocket 4 and whether there's a place for this camera when you've got the dual camera versions. Now,

00:42

Speaker A

it also includes my initial review of the Luna Ultra, which is really impressive, but I'm mostly focusing on the image quality of it in this video, and it can look really fantastic.

00:53

Speaker A

It can also have some very serious issues in certain settings and situations. They told me that they're working on new firmware, but I have no time frame for this. So, I felt it was important to cover it here. After all,

01:06

Speaker A

It can also have some very serious issues in certain settings and situations. They told me that they're working on new firmware, but I have no time frame for this. So, I felt it was important to cover it here. After all,

01:20

Speaker A

some footage like this, but not much. Like most people who've been sent a review sample, I'm in a rather weird position.

01:29

Speaker A

Nikon still haven't fixed their ZR. I'll go through this in detail later in the video and show you how to avoid it because nobody wants their footage to look like mush, right? And then there's this DJI's Pocket 4P. I will show you

01:41

Speaker A

And all the specs were released in those regions a couple of weeks ago. But because there is no global release date, I am somewhat tied to my NDA and my non-sponsored relationship with DJI. But I will go over some things which I think

01:56

Speaker A

some footage like this, but not much. Like most people who've been sent a review sample, I'm in a rather weird position.

02:09

Speaker A

UK. It's only fair that I do too. I just can't cover much. Not until it's released globally. But if my mom imported one of these cameras from those regions, she's allowed to put out a full review. Just not me.

02:25

Speaker A

Not literally. It's Richmond Green. It's lovely here. It's been released in Southeast Asia, so there are loads of full reviews from YouTubers in those regions, just not outside those regions.

02:40

Speaker A

camera releases like we've had for the Luna Ultra and Pocket 4P this way again.

02:51

Speaker A

And all the specs were released in those regions a couple of weeks ago. But because there is no global release date, I am somewhat tied to my NDA and my non-sponsored relationship with DJI. But I will go over some things which I think

03:05

Speaker A

Pocket 3. Also didn't help that both the two camera into 360 Luna Ultra and the two camera DJI Pocket 4P, although it was called 4 Pro at the time, had been leaked months earlier. Nobody here. And the Pocket 4 only has the one camera and

03:22

Speaker A

I am allowed to talk about like the claimed 17 stops of dynamic range and I will talk about those release specs as they are out there and show a little bit of footage. People outside of Southeast Asia have shown footage including in the

03:36

Speaker A

better, but it's cheaper. It's smaller, so more discreet, and it's still a powerful little camera. The main new things with the Pocket 4 won't make a huge difference to the average user, but for people like me, they are important.

03:49

Speaker A

UK. It's only fair that I do too. I just can't cover much. Not until it's released globally. But if my mom imported one of these cameras from those regions, she's allowed to put out a full review. Just not me.

04:04

Speaker A

Pocket three. It was only in the normal picture profile and you had to stop recording to switch. But on this camera, you can do it whilst recording. That was deeply unpleasant and absolutely heaving. You should expect it is Baron

04:17

Speaker A

I'm not going to go into too much detail about the mass releases of these cameras or the lawsuits filed by both companies against each other. I want to just focus on the cameras in this video. What I will say is I hope neither companies do

04:38

Speaker A

This two times gives you a 40 mm equivalent field of view from that 20 mm optical lens. Is it lossless? Well, not really. Both DJI and Insta 360 use this term, but there is a drop in quality when using them. The 4K resolution is

04:55

Speaker A

camera releases like we've had for the Luna Ultra and Pocket 4P this way again.

05:11

Speaker A

sensor. And a 1 in sensor is not very big, so these are very small pixels. So, in good light, the two times mode in video is very usable indeed, and I use it all the time. Now, there is a four

05:24

Speaker A

The Pocket 4 was released in April and has been widely anticipated as the Pocket 3 was such an unexpected success that it was met with disappointment by many because on the surface it didn't appear to be that different from the

05:31

Speaker A

What also helps using these modes of the Pocket 4 is there's now two shortcut buttons under the screen. One is dedicated to switching zoom modes and the other is programmable, although there aren't enough options for it. The other thing is that if you shoot in

05:47

Speaker A

Pocket 3. Also didn't help that both the two camera into 360 Luna Ultra and the two camera DJI Pocket 4P, although it was called 4 Pro at the time, had been leaked months earlier. Nobody here. And the Pocket 4 only has the one camera and

06:02

Speaker A

discuss later. Slow motion can now be recorded in 4K at up to 240 frames per second with just a slight crop. And this is really impressive. And it does look good, but there is a downside. It's only in the

06:19

Speaker A

certainly wasn't helped when DJI teased the Pocket 4P in China on the very day the Pocket 4 was released. But I do think the Pocket 4 has a lot going for it, although nothing that the Pocket 4P doesn't have as well. and in some ways

06:33

Speaker A

With the Pocket 3, you can shoot in 4K at 120 frames pers in Dlog M. So for me, this feels like one step forward and kind of one step back, one step to the side. It's just really hard to cut that

06:46

Speaker A

better, but it's cheaper. It's smaller, so more discreet, and it's still a powerful little camera. The main new things with the Pocket 4 won't make a huge difference to the average user, but for people like me, they are important.

07:07

Speaker A

Other improvements are better tracking, a brighter display, better audio, longer battery life, faster charging, and built-in internal storage of 107 GB, which is very handy with the skyrocketing costs of media. Annoyingly, there's no longer a protective sleeve for the camera as we've seen in all

07:24

Speaker A

We now have full DLOG rather than DLOG M, which gives much more flexibility in post and better dynamic range. One of the most useful new features is the two times so-called lossless zoom mode, which is now available in DLOG. in the

07:36

Speaker A

obvious difference is of course that second camera which has a 60 mm equivalent f1.8 lens and a 1 over 1.28 in sensor. The main camera of the Pocket 4P has a 20 mm f2 lens and is a 1 in

07:54

Speaker A

Pocket three. It was only in the normal picture profile and you had to stop recording to switch. But on this camera, you can do it whilst recording. That was deeply unpleasant and absolutely heaving. You should expect it is Baron

08:08

Speaker A

technology which holds the extra highlight detail. I'm not going to go into the full technical aspects of how this happens. I'm sure somebody else will cover that. That does make it indeed capable of much better dynamic range than we've seen with the Pocket 4

08:22

Speaker A

Market. It's a total tourist spot, but is very cool. Lots of things to see and eat and feel if you can get close enough that is, which was a bit of a struggle, but the two times definitely helped.

08:33

Speaker A

annoying. They can at least just leave it on and it simply switches to standard DLOG when you go to three times because having to go into the menu to change your picture profile just so you can access the three times when you need it

08:44

Speaker A

This two times gives you a 40 mm equivalent field of view from that 20 mm optical lens. Is it lossless? Well, not really. Both DJI and Insta360 use this term, but there is a drop in quality when using them. The 4K resolution is

08:55

Speaker A

4 and 4P's DLOG, there's definitely more dynamic range there. Insta3's Luna Ultra is their first attempt at making a camera which doesn't have fixed focus and that shoots 10 bit log. So, two big firsts for them and overall it's a really great camera.

09:42

Speaker A

maintained, but the detail isn't quite as good. When in the normal optical mode, it's quad combining the sensors full pixels to create larger pixels, which gives you a cleaner image and with better dynamic range. In the lossless mode, they use all the pixels of the

09:53

Speaker A

DJI's cameras. Those cameras have the ability to fine-tune the noise reduction and sharpness and I always have it as minus 2 minus 2 and it does make a big difference. Insta 360 told me they have no plans to do anything similar with the

10:06

Speaker A

sensor. And a 1 in sensor is not very big, so these are very small pixels. So, in good light, the two times mode in video is very usable indeed, and I use it all the time. Now, there is a four

10:19

Speaker A

especially when we get to here, which is the real issue that we have with the Luna. Although I have been told that they are going to fix this. So, they need to because it's really important because what we have here is our mush.

10:34

Speaker A

times digital zoom, but there is a significant drop off in quality there. You may as well just crop it in post.

10:42

Speaker A

I've got some ND16 on. So that's cutting the light back. And my shutter speed is is too high. 200th of a second. I'm in manual exposure now. I've got the 50th of a second. But my ND is too strong. My

10:55

Speaker A

What also helps using these modes of the Pocket 4 is there's now two shortcut buttons under the screen. One is dedicated to switching zoom modes and the other is programmable, although there aren't enough options for it. The other thing is that if you shoot in

11:07

Speaker A

And it shouldn't happen because I got exposure at 1600 manually. So therefore, there's no reason for it to happen, but it does. So when you do limit the max auto ISO instead of simply not being able to reach the exposure, it's using

11:23

Speaker A

vertical mode with this camera, those buttons are covered up. So, you have to use the zoom function of the joystick, which is slower and less precise. There are definitely some autofocus improvements, but there's also still real usability issues, which I will

11:34

Speaker A

looks really nice. But this digital gain that they're using in the camera after this is creating a lot of noise and then it's cleaning it up using very heavy noise reduction. So your detail is gone and you end up with mush. And the

11:50

Speaker A

discuss later. Slow motion can now be recorded in 4K at up to 240 frames per second with just a slight crop. And this is really impressive. And it does look good, but there is a downside. It's only in the

12:04

Speaker A

you're going auto ISO of any sort, it is taking away detail in 8K, in 4K, with the one times and the three times.

12:14

Speaker A

normal picture profile, which I really don't like. It's oversharpened and too processed. Even when you set the sharpness and noise reduction to minus 2 minus 2, it's just too much. And it's the same if you shoot in 4K 120 frames per

12:29

Speaker A

So, you can get great images out of this camera. You just got to be really careful when using it, but especially for clients as they don't want mush. And for example, if you're filming anything for a stock footage company, like Story

12:40

Speaker A

second. With the Pocket 3, you can shoot in 4K at 120 frames per second in DLOG M. So for me, this feels like one step forward and kind of one step back, one step to the side. It's just really hard to cut that

12:54

Speaker A

is 100% humanmade. They do not accept any AI generated content unlike some other companies. and that's something we should all support. I've used them countless times, mostly for video and sound effects, and they've really helped me out of a hole when I've needed them.

13:09

Speaker A

normal profile image in with the D-Log footage. That wasn't the plan. Poor Pocket 4.

13:21

Speaker A

link. So, what's the best way to avoid getting these mushy images? Well, it's of course to shoot manual exposure. There's a couple of problems for shooting manual exposure with all of these pocket style gimbal cameras. Getting an idea of what

13:37

Speaker A

Other improvements are better tracking, a brighter display, better audio, longer battery life, faster charging, and built-in internal storage of 107 GB, which is very handy with the skyrocketing costs of media. Annoyingly, there's no longer a protective sleeve for the camera as we've seen in all

13:45

Speaker A

Zebras would be nice. We don't have those. You can open up your app and then you can see it on that, but that's not a way an easy way for us to actually shoot. We don't want to shoot that way.

13:54

Speaker A

previous pockets. Instead, it's a little bit of plastic to hold the gimbal in place. And somehow, I've not lost it, but I now use a third party case instead. These improvements are really mostly the same for the Pocket 4P. The

14:00

Speaker A

It shows you what the EV is. I can't see what it is. I think it's what I've set it to, which is plus three plus 0.3 EV.

14:10

Speaker A

obvious difference is of course that second camera which has a 60 mm equivalent f1.8 lens and a 1 over 1.28 inch sensor. The main camera of the Pocket 4P has a 20 mm f2 lens and is a 1 inch

14:22

Speaker A

needs to be possible for both of these brands of cameras. Now, in auto exposure, you can swipe on the DJI from the right hand side and you can bring up your EV meter and you can change that.

14:35

Speaker A

sensor and it's a brand new sensor which I believe is made by OmniVision and like the Sony sensors DJI have been using up until now and most likely is on the three times camera. This new sensor is pretty special thanks to its low

14:46

Speaker A

But in manual exposure, you can't change, you can't program it to be shutter speed or ISO. can't do any of that. You have to stop recording and then change it. Stopping recording and changing your exposure means you're probably going to miss the shot you're

15:00

Speaker A

technology which holds the extra highlight detail. I'm not going to go into the full technical aspects of how this happens. I'm sure somebody else will cover that. That does make it indeed capable of much better dynamic range than we've seen with the Pocket 4

15:15

Speaker A

the built-in color profiles, some of them are quite nice, then the best way is to use them when in eyelin but with a lot less processing and oversharpening compared to if you use them in the standard mode. But these

15:33

Speaker A

and seen with many cameras. But you have to use a new DLOG 2 picture profile for this. But you can only use this with the main camera. In fact, the three times is not available at all, which is really

15:48

Speaker A

overprocessed. You have to shoot in DLOG or DLOG 2 to get a natural looking image. DJI could fix this by just bringing down that overprocessing and oversharpening in the normal profile.

16:10

Speaker A

annoying. They can at least just leave it on and it simply switches to standard DLOG when you go to three times because having to go into the menu to change your picture profile just so you can access the three times when you need it

16:23

Speaker A

dynamic range and a cleaner image. The other issue is when you're shooting in AK, you can't switch between the one times and three times whilst recording.

16:31

Speaker A

is far too fiddly. But the big question everybody's been asking is that claimed 17 stops of dynamic range in the 4P and DLOG 2. I have no way of measuring it, but comparing it real well to the Pocket

16:45

Speaker A

mode in the DJ Pocket 4, there is more noise in the lossless modes on the Luna.

16:51

Speaker A

4 and 4P's DLOG, there's definitely more dynamic range there. Insta360's Luna Ultra is their first attempt at making a camera.

16:56

Speaker A

There's also a two times mode which is the same lossless thing but using the main camera. Personally, I tend to skip that and just use the three times as it looks better. There's also a 12 times mode which is a digital crop of the six

17:10

Speaker A

time zoom. So, there's a real drop in quality with it. You may as well just do it in post.

17:16

Speaker A

Another really nice thing about the three times camera is the close focus is really close. It's just 15 cm. So, you can get some really nice macro shots with it.

17:30

Speaker A

You can shoot slow motion in up to 4K 120 frames pers with both the one times and three times cameras. And you can do it in two different ways. Either in the dedicated slow motion mode or just in

17:42

Speaker A

normal video and change your frame rate there. When you do it this way, you just need to convert it to slow motion when you get into post. I can't see any real difference between these modes. And thankfully, you can shoot a dialogue in

17:53

Speaker A

both of them. Unlike the Pocket 4s, yes, you can go up to 4K 240 frames per second in those, but because it's in normal profile, the quality just doesn't compare to the Luna 4K's 120 frames pers.

18:07

Speaker A

DJI really need to address this. Just like with the lossless zoom modes, make sure you correctly expose your eyelog 120 frames pers because it's not at all forgiving in the shadows if you don't, especially with the three times

18:31

Speaker A

camera. The detachable screen controls have been much praised and rightly so, but I found when you do separate them, the frame rate can drop really quite badly. What's really nice about the Luna's custom buttons compared to the Pocket 4s is

18:54

Speaker A

that they're on the screen, so you can use them no matter what orientation the screen is in. Whilst it can also only do 3K vertical video when held upright, you can just rotate the whole thing 90° and shoots in 4K vertical that way. And it's

19:09

Speaker A

better than the DJI's one here as it rotates the onscreen display and writes metadata so it plays back as vertical. I also really like that even in the camera only package, it comes with a hard protective case. DJI, sort it out,

19:23

Speaker A

please. In 360 finally have some good mics for their system. This is the mic pro and you get one of them with I think all the combos. Maybe just don't get it with the the camera on its own. You can

19:33

Speaker A

also buy it as a two pack with a receiver for normal cameras. It's got 32-bit float internal recording. You can use it as a stereo mic on its own and it's of course e-inking display. You can put whatever you want on there. I've got

19:45

Speaker A

Percy on here. So, it's nice. Look, I'm not one for holding a lav mic or mic like this out like this, which is really silly even though it seems to be very popular. I like hiding mics and you can

19:56

Speaker A

hide this because you can use a USBC to 3.5 mm adapter from them. Needs to be there on one because it's got special connections. I think a normal one doesn't I don't think it works. But you could use any well any of the compatible

20:10

Speaker A

lav mics with it. But for me got pers on it. So I'm going to hold it like this.

20:22

Speaker A

As this is Insta 360's first camera to have or even need autofocus, it actually does a decent job most of the time. But the DJI Pocket 4 cameras are better.

20:32

Speaker A

They are more mature after all. But they also have a number of issues. The key thing that they have over the Luna Ultra is as a rudimentary subject tracking. It can work well, but the subject still needs to be towards the center of the

20:46

Speaker A

frame. The autofocus shifting from your subject to the background is a common problem with both brands cameras. And the three times is worse for this. It's easily distracted unless you have your subject dead center. For most of my

20:57

Speaker A

filming with all three cameras, unless I am filming a moving subject, I select AFS single point autofocus. But to switch focus modes, I have to stop recording and go into the settings menu.

21:09

Speaker A

Very fiddly. Probably going to miss the shot. There needs to be a way to do this whilst recording. either by going into the menu or via a custom button. Perhaps a double press on one of the custom buttons to switch between AFS and

21:21

Speaker A

continuous. That would be great. In fact, I'd also like to see exposure lock, perhaps with a triple tap on the button. I am being greedy here, but a focus hold would also be nice, but there's simply not enough custom

21:32

Speaker A

buttons, especially as DJI don't let you customize a left button. It can only be used to switch between lenses. But you can also do this by tapping the icon on the screen. So, it's wasted potential.

21:42

Speaker A

Both companies need to open up many more options that we can use with these physical buttons on their cameras to make the shooting experience much more pleasurable and a lot less irritating.

21:55

Speaker A

There's one huge thing that Insta 360 have over DJI, of course, and that is they aren't banned in the USA. This is a huge problem for them, and it's why you won't see either the Pocket 4 or 4P

22:06

Speaker A

officially sold there. Although there's a company called Extra who sell what appear to be DJI cameras under their name, just with slight design differences, and they are bringing out one which looks very similar to the 4P.

22:17

Speaker A

I've not seen it in person, though. But I do hope to get one to test. So, I'll be making a much more in-depth comparison once the Luna's image is sorted out, so I'm not worrying that I'm screwing it up all the time. And of

22:30

Speaker A

course, when the DJI camera, the Pocket 4P, is out officially. so I'm not in danger of breaking my NDA. I'll be talking about the features of course so I can get the images in detail but also what it's like to actually use them

22:41

Speaker A

dayto-day cuz that is incredibly important because the 4P hasn't been globally released yet. I don't know what the exact price will be compared to the Luna. But looking at the prices on the DJI store in Southeast Asia, they are

22:54

Speaker A

substantially undercutting them especially with their combo. The question is, when they do finally release it globally, will the pricing be comparable?

23:04

Speaker A

Probably. I want to end this video with a few words about my beloved soulcat, Percy.

23:11

Speaker A

He passed away on the 20th of June at the amazing age of 19 and a half after a long illness.

23:17

Speaker A

Bertie. Percy. We're going in now. along with his twin brother Percy. They were my everything and were always there for me and they got me through some very dark times.

23:30

Speaker A

With losing Percy, the twins are finally now gone. And life will be so much harder without them in it. Such a beautiful boy.

23:39

Speaker A

I was really lucky to have had them in my life for so long. Rest in peace, my boys.

Topics: DJI Pocket 4 Insta360 Luna Ultra Pocket 4P pocket gimbal cameras camera review dynamic range 4K slow motion lossless zoom camera firmware camera comparison


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