**DEBATING JAY DYER LIVE! Orthodox Muslim VS Jay Dyer — Transcript & Summary | SozAI**
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A chaotic live debate attempt between Orthodox Muslim and Jay Dyer on Islam vs Christianity; the debate stalls over topic disputes and interruptions.

## Key Takeaways

- The debate never reached substantive argument because of format and topic disputes.
- Both participants accuse each other of bad faith and interrupting.
- Core theological contention centers on divine transcendence and the knowability of Allah in Islamic theology.
- The stream is heavily shaped by social media dynamics and audience engagement.

## What the video covers

- The host recounts a TikTok exchange where Jay Dyer challenged him to a $500 debate, which the host accepted on Dyer's livestream instead.
- Both sides dispute the agreed debate topic, with the host insisting it was Islam vs Christianity and Dyer seemingly shifting to Islam alone.
- The host raises a theological question about Allah's transcendence and whether attributes like hands or a shin can be compared to creation, citing Quran 42.
- The host argues that Islamic theology makes Allah unknowable because the descriptive terms used are analogical to created things.
- Frequent interruptions and cut-offs are reported, with the host complaining Dyer will not let him finish speaking.
- The host claims Dyer is unwilling to engage in genuine discussion and suggests he is avoiding the debate.
- A dispute arises over a claimed Quranic reference to Mary's lineage, with the host saying the plain reading connects it to Joseph.
- The host challenges Dyer's claimed expertise in church history, alleging he gave a response the church never considered.
- Much of the stream drifts into off-topic personal chatter, including a haircut and diet.
- The overall tone is combative, with mutual accusations of avoiding debate.

## Chapters

1. 00:00 Opening and TikTok Challenge Backstory
2. 06:47 Joining the Livestream and Setting Up
3. 11:14 Debate Topic Dispute
4. 19:14 Allah's Transcendence and Knowability
5. 22:21 Interruptions and Accusations of Evasion
6. 30:00 Quranic Lineage and Mary Claim
7. 41:40 Church History Challenge
8. 48:20 Off-Topic Closing Remarks

Answers

## Questions about this video

Why did the debate between Jay Dyer and the Orthodox Muslim host break down?

The two sides disagreed on the topic, with the host insisting on Islam vs Christianity while Dyer apparently shifted to Islam alone. Frequent interruptions and mutual accusations of bad faith further derailed the discussion.

What theological point does the host raise about Allah?

He argues that because Allah is described as nothing like creation, yet all descriptive terms in the Quran are analogical to created things, Allah becomes unknowable in Islamic theology. He uses Quran 42 to support this point.

How did the debate originate?

It began on TikTok, where Jay Dyer challenged the host to a $500 debate. The host accepted but moved the exchange to Dyer's livestream, where the actual debate attempt occurred.

## Full Transcript — Download SRT & Markdown

00:07

Speaker A

and welcome back to another live stream at almost 10:00 p.m. at night now. Very unexpected, everybody. Very unexpected. But we were just live on TikTok and Jay Dyer decides that it's a good idea to jump up on the live. And so he jumps up on the live and he says, "Debate me right now for $500 on my stream." And I said, "Okay, let's debate. I don't want your $500. Let's do it now. You're here. You're here, man. Let's do it now." I'm like, he's like, "No, I don't want to give you content." I'm like, "What? I'm going to give you content anyway. You're going to give me content anyway." He's like, "Oh, $500. You're running from me." I'm like, "Okay, you know what? I'll come on your stream. No problem. I'm going to show everybody that you're a fraud. I'll accept your terms. No worries. I don't want your $500. Keep the Jizya. Charge you next year for the Jizya."

00:28

Speaker A

jumps up on the live and he says, "Debbate me right now for $500 on my stream." And I said, "Okay, let's debate. I don't want your $500. Let's do it now. You're here. You're here, man.

00:41

Speaker A

And uh, yeah, I'm more than happy to go on your live, brother. Just let me know. Uh, give me the link and let's do it. I'm just waiting on Jay Dyer to set up. He said 20 minutes. Remember, guys, we agreed on Islam versus Christianity. Islam versus Christianity is what we agreed upon. So now I think he's changing the debate topic because he just tweeted. He said, "Come in to debate me on Islam." J Dyer, don't be sneaky. We said Islam versus Christianity, J. So he better not be playing games already.

00:53

Speaker A

what? I'll come on your stream. No problem. I'm going to show everybody that you're a fraud. I'll accept your terms.

01:01

Speaker A

Okay. So we'll see. Let's uh, let me quote-post him. [sighs and gasps] Better not be playing games already. Everybody go like my recent tweet. Share it. Blow it up. Blow it up, guys.

01:10

Speaker A

And uh yeah, I'm more than happy to go on your live, brother. Just let me know.

01:15

Speaker A

[sighs] Waiting for the belt. We're all waiting for the belt, man. All waiting for the belt.

02:47

Speaker A

He said 20 minutes. Remember guys, we agreed on Islam versus Christianity. Islam versus Christianity is what we agreed upon. So now I think he's changing the debate topic because he just tweeted. He said come in to debate me on Islam.

03:24

Speaker A

[snorts] What did I tell you guys? I'm always down for a challenge. You just pop into my TikTok. You want to debate me? Let's do it right now. No problem.

03:33

Speaker A

Okay. So we'll see. Let's uh let me quote post him. [sighs and gasps] Better not be playing games already.

04:30

Speaker A

Oh, no, no, no, no. Come on my stream. $500. Screw your 500. Let's do it on your stream.

05:07

Speaker A

[sighs] Waiting for the belt. We're all waiting for the belt, man. All waiting for the belt.

05:35

Speaker A

Now, compare that with these guys, man. Oh, no, brother. I need seven months. No, brother. I'm discovering the moon. No, brother. I have a school trip to Mars. No, brother. I'm, you know, I'm giving birth to my father. Oh, brother.

05:43

Speaker A

Oh, no, no, no, no. Come on my stream. $500. Screw your 500. Let's do it on your stream.

05:50

Speaker A

It's always the same thing. We do it on the spot. We do it on the spot, man.

05:58

Speaker A

No, brother. I have a school trip to Mars. No, brother. I'm, you know, I'm giving birth to my father. Oh, brother.

06:06

Speaker A

We could have gotten this done last night when I showed up, when Junior didn't want to debate you, and I showed up and you just left. You panicked.

06:17

Speaker A

We We could have got gotten this done with last night when I showed up when Junior didn't want to debate you and I showed up and you just left. You panicked.

06:42

Speaker A

Guys, why is everybody coming at the barber, bro? Like, come. It's chill, bro. I like it. I like my haircut. Makes me feel good. I feel better. It feels like a lot of weight off my shoulder.

06:57

Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] Okay, he's here. I'm requesting up. One sec. Actually, let me let me join on my on my computer. It's better that way.

07:23

Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] Okay, he's here. I'm requesting up. One sec. Actually, let me join on my computer. It's better that way and share screen. Let me share screen now. The Christian doctrine of God. Hello. Can you hear me?

08:16

Speaker A

Yeah. What's up? Okay, perfect, man. So, I just want to confirm you invited me here, offered me $500, and I said I don't want I don't want your $500. I'll come on your platform. Although, you could have debated me on my TikTok or last night,

08:30

Speaker A

Yeah. What's up? Okay, perfect, man. So, I just want to confirm you invited me here, offered me $500, and I said I don't want your $500. I'll come on your platform. Although you could have debated me on my TikTok or last night, but it's okay because I'm going to show you that I don't back down from a discussion like you. Obviously, you need some preparing to do, but we agreed that we're going to talk Christianity versus Islam, right?

08:42

Speaker A

Sure. Yeah. So, can we talk about Allah? So, so we're going to talk about Christianity versus Islam, right?

08:50

Speaker A

Sure. Yeah. So, can we talk about Allah? So, we're going to talk about Christianity versus Islam, right?

09:00

Speaker A

Can I can I finish, brother? Talks about Allah not being like anything in creation. How do you speak about?

09:05

Speaker A

Yeah. And that involves Allah, right? Yeah, of course. That involves anything relating to Allah. So, uh, we're going to talk in Quran 42.

09:14

Speaker A

you. So, you don't you don't you don't actually know exactly where that are going to answer question. Can I can I can I finish Can I finish talking?

09:21

Speaker A

Can I finish, brother? Talks about Allah not being like anything in creation. How do you speak about?

09:29

Speaker A

So, you don't want to you don't want to talk about law? No, we're going to talk I'm going to give my argument against you and you're going to give your argument against me.

09:36

Speaker A

I'm still finishing, brother. Thank you so much, man. I know you want to talk about things that you're comfortable with because you see that I'm a bit of a challenge to you. So, you don't actually know exactly where this is going to answer the question. Can I finish? Can I finish talking?

09:50

Speaker A

about Allah? No, I want to talk about Allah, but I also want to talk about your religion.

09:54

Speaker A

So, I'm going to get a two-minute introduction to give my argument, and you're going to give a two-minute introduction to give your argument, and then we can go from there. Sound good?

10:07

Speaker A

Christianity, argument against Islam. I'll give an argument against Christianity support uh uh for Islam and then we can get going.

10:15

Speaker A

So, you don't want to talk about Allah? No, we're going to talk. I'm going to give my argument against you, and you're going to give your argument against me. That's how conversations work. Well, I mean, I didn't agree to that, but, oh, so you're here because you just want to interrogate me and then you want to kick me and me not actually get to... Do you want to... You don't want to talk about Allah? No, I want to talk about Allah, but I also want to talk about your religion.

10:30

Speaker A

Other schools consider this to be sherk. They consider it to be idolatry. For example, Jake the Muslim metaphysician is in the school that thinks that Allah has a shin, has an uncreated foot, etc.

10:43

Speaker A

Are you scared? Sure. Okay. I'm not scared, but... So, I'll do... I could start, or you could start with a two-minute introduction, give a quick argument or support for Islam or Christianity, or a support for Christianity, argument against Islam. I'll give an argument against Christianity, support for Islam, and then we can get going.

11:00

Speaker A

philosophical doctrine, but precisely because of the way that he's presented in the Quran. He's presented as a totally transcendent being again that said more than once to be nothing like the created order. Yet every description that we have both of the Quran is a

11:14

Speaker A

Yeah. Quran 42 says that Allah is nothing like anything in the created order. And this has caused a lot of conflict in the history of Islam between the different schools, the different aqidas. Some of these schools believe that all attributes can be compared to creatures. Other schools consider this to be shirk. They consider it to be idolatry. For example, Ibn Taymiyyah, the Muslim metaphysician, is in the school that thinks that Allah has a shin, has an uncreated foot, etc. Other schools of Islam would call this absurd and stupid. But it all goes back to the fundamental question that in the Quran and in Islamic theology as a whole, Allah is not knowable. And he's not knowable. Not because of some abstract philosophical doctrine, but precisely because of the way that he's presented in the Quran. He's presented as a totally transcendent being, again, said more than once to be nothing like the created order. Yet every description that we have, both of the Quran is a created text. In other words, the book that you have in your hand is a created Quran. And all the terms that are used are analogical. For example, merciful, loving, etc. Although you could debate whether I think loving is used once, but Allah as merciful or whatever, all these terms are analogical and they relate to created things, just like shins or just like hands. But Allah is nothing like the created order, and so even the concept in your head, the created notion of a shin, the created idea in your head of mercy, bears no semblance, no similarity to Allah, and so these predicates never touch upon their reference, and thus Allah, by his own definition, by his own theology supposedly revealed, is not knowable.

11:27

Speaker A

once but Allah as merciful or whatever all these terms are analogical and that they relate to created things just like shins or just like hands but Allah is nothing like the created order and so even the concept in your head the

11:41

Speaker A

Okay, perfect. Thank you so much, uh, Jay Dyer. So, uh, everybody could see here that Jay Dyer is already off to a bad start, already manifesting, talking about things that he feels like he's comfortable with, but it's okay. As a matter of fact, I'm going to do Jay Dyer a favor today. I'm going to give the most simple argument against Christianity that you are supposed to know as a level A grade one apologist. And I'm going to show you that even Jay Dyer himself, and he markets himself as the final boss leader of the Ortho Bros, I'm going to show you today in front of your fans that you can't even answer the simplest of objections. So, my objection is very simple. You should know this. You should laugh at this. This is a dais script, right? So he's already giggling and stuff. I'd appreciate if you didn't giggle in my time, man. Thank you. Yeah, we know your theatrics. So, um, I'm going to give a simple contradiction. The simple contradiction, according to the genealogy accounts given in the New Testament. You should already know this. Uh, the two Gospels, Matthew and Luke. Uh, and we'll see if you could even answer a grade-A level objection, and we'll see if you could answer it. Um, as for Islam, I would say Islam is true because of that mass transmission of the miracles of the p

11:57

Speaker A

supposedly revealed is not knowable. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much, uh, Jay Dyer. So, uh, everybody could see here that Jay Dyer is already off to a bad start, already manifesting, talking about things that he feels like he's

12:12

Speaker A

comfortable with, but it's okay. As as a matter of fact, I'm going to do Jay Dyer a favor today. I'm going to give the most simple argument against Christianity that you are supposed to know as a level A grade one apologist. And I'm going to

12:27

Speaker A

show you that even Jay Dyer himself and he markets himself as the final as the final boss leader of the Ortho Bros. I'm going to show you today in front of your fans that you can't even answer the

12:40

Speaker A

simplest of objections. So the the my objection very simple objection you should know this. You should laugh at this is a dais script, right? That uh so he's already he's already giggling and stuff. I'd appreciate if you didn't

12:52

Speaker A

giggle in my time, man. Thank you. Yeah, we know we know your theatrics. So, um I'm going to give a simple contradiction. The simple contradiction in according to the genealogy accounts given in the New Testament. You should already know this. Uh the two gospels,

13:10

Speaker A

Matthew and Luke. Uh, and we'll see if you could even answer a gradea level objection and we'll see if you could answer it. Um, as for Islam, I would say Islam is true because of that mass transmission of the miracles of of the

13:25

Speaker A

prophet uh prophecies uh in the Bible um that are um clear. They're not typological garbage like the ones you believe in about Christ. That's he's a dying, rising savior, mythological man, God, he's going to die on a stick. So,

13:42

Speaker A

uh, my simple simple argument today, and let's see if you can answer it, is uh, there's a genealogy that goes back to Solomon to David in one gospel and a genealogy that goes back to Nathan and David from another gospel. So, I'd like

13:58

Speaker A

to know um, in yo, can this guy stop messaging me? I'd like to know if you could answer that and uh, yeah, we could we could get into the conversation now.

14:10

Speaker A

Yeah. One of them is dealing with Mary's lineage to show that she fulfills also the Davidic line and the other one is focusing on [laughter] uh the lineage. I don't know why you're laughing when why are you laughing? You

14:20

Speaker A

asked me not to laugh. Oh, we're we're doing open we're doing open dialogue now. We don't have the book of No. Who said that? I we didn't specify that.

14:29

Speaker A

We said two minute intros and then open discussion right? Well, I mean I let you set the rules at the beginning. That's fine. Okay, you didn't say anything about open discussion after that, but whatever.

14:40

Speaker A

So, yeah, I mean, it's very easy to find the answer to this question. Many scholars have dealt with this with two different uh genealogies pertaining to two different houses.

14:49

Speaker A

Beautiful. So, Jay Dyer has already fell in the trap. He said that one genealogy, and I'm I'm showing you guys that he can't even deal with the simplest grade level objection. He said that one refers to Mary's genealogy and the other refers

15:05

Speaker A

to uh Joseph's genealogy. Jay Dyer, can you please show me where it says Mary's genealogy anywhere?

15:12

Speaker A

Are you this stupid like it has to show me where it show me where it says it's Mary's genealogy? Jire, where do you prove that it has to state that it's Mary?

15:21

Speaker A

You just said beautiful. You just made a claim. Say that. I didn't say that it had to state that. You said that. Okay. No, no.

15:28

Speaker A

You made the claim that one is dealing with Can I finish? You made the claim, Jay. Dyer, and you, you see, you can't even respond to the most basic objection. You said, J Dire that one is dealing Can you stop cutting me off? You

15:44

Speaker A

said J. Dyer, that one is dealing with Mary's lineage. Yeah, I didn't say it had to specify that you had.

15:51

Speaker A

Okay. Is one dealing with Mary's lineage? Say what? Is one dealing with Mary's lineage?

15:58

Speaker A

Yeah. Where does it say? Okay. Show me. Show me where you gotify that. Show me where you got Show me where you got that it's dealing with Mary's lineage.

16:06

Speaker A

The argument that you're making assumes that it has to explicitly say that. Nope. The argument The argument that I'm making does not. So, so Jay Dyer, you said where does that and I'm saying it doesn't have to explicitly say that.

16:19

Speaker A

Jire. Okay. Okay. Cool. Now, okay. Okay. Cool. Now you see guys, you see everybody what's going on here. Jay Dyier made a claim. Let me let me finish. Let me finish Jay Dyer. It's already look it's already looking bad,

16:32

Speaker A

dude. It's already looking bad. He doesn't even He doesn't even know how to answer to the level one objection.

16:39

Speaker A

Jay Dyer, you made Let me engage with you, brother. Let me let me engage with you. You just said something. Stop. This is not a zoo, bro. Stop acting like an animal, dude. Nobody's doing this with you.

16:50

Speaker A

You're the one that said All right. So you just said J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D Can I

16:54

Speaker A

Can I Can I Can I engage you, Jay? Dyer, or are you going to keep cutting me off?

16:58

Speaker A

Where where Jay Dyer, you're already manifest. You're already panicking, dude. Let me You're not going to let me.

17:03

Speaker A

You just spoke. You just spoke. I'm going to respond now. Like, are you okay dude?

17:08

Speaker A

The problem with the argument, yo, this this guy won't shut up. You're assuming that it has to specifically state, oh, this is Mary's genealogy. And I'm telling you that's an interpretation that's very common in conservative and liberal scholars. So

17:24

Speaker A

why is that even an issue if that's my now let me respond agree with that?

17:27

Speaker A

Now let me respond now. Thank you. So Jay Dyer made a mistake. He hates on Protestants. Right. But did you guys know that the earliest interpretation for this being referring to Mary's lineage comes from the 15th century?

17:44

Speaker A

Wow. We thought Jay Dyer was a petristic scholar and he belongs to the ancient church and he's he's using a response that comes from the 15th century that does not predate the 15th century.

17:54

Speaker A

That's point number one. Let me let me finish. Let me finish. You're already getting knowledge gapped.

17:59

Speaker A

Point number point number Let me finish. Point number two. Where does it say Mary's lineage?

18:07

Speaker A

Because as far as as far Let me finish. Let memb Lord have mercy on my soul. Dude, can you stop cutting me off?

18:18

Speaker A

Can you stop cutting me off on something that you can't demonstrate? J Dra, can you stop cutting me off, man?

18:23

Speaker A

Like your argument, dude. Can I Can you stop cutting me off? This looks terrible on you right now.

18:29

Speaker A

You're just repeating the same point. I'm repeating I'm repeating that you're cutting me off. Let me engage your point one by one because I'm burying you right now on the grade level. Jay Dyer, stop talking man.

18:42

Speaker A

Dude, can you stop? I didn't say it. Had to state it. Stop cutting me off.

18:46

Speaker A

Yes, you did. That was your I did not stop cutting me off. I'm not cutting you off. You're just repeating.

18:51

Speaker A

Jay Dyer, can I engage? You don't want to have a conversation, do you answer my question?

18:55

Speaker A

Jay Dyer does not want to talk, man. You do not want to talk to me, dude.

18:59

Speaker A

It's clear already. Dude, can I reply to him? Yo, he's he doesn't want to let me talk.

19:03

Speaker A

You're not going to answer my question. I'm answering I'm engaging what you said. You said it doesn't have to.

19:09

Speaker A

You said it doesn't have to state it. I'm answering, dude. Relax. Correct. Inhale. Exhale. Brother, it's okay.

19:16

Speaker A

All right. So, Jay Dyer in trying to respond to a level one argument, he's already failed from the start because if you were smart and read in the Petricics, you would at least quote the answer that Julius Africanis gives

19:32

Speaker A

because that's your best bet. But you didn't even Let me finish. Let me finish. [laughter] But you didn't even know about that. You said, "What does it matter?

19:41

Speaker A

Let me finish." Yo yo yo, you see you see why I don't want to come to your panel.

19:46

Speaker A

All right. This is why this doesn't You see this is why are you going to let Are you going to let me talk?

19:50

Speaker A

Why does Why does one church father even matter in this dispute? What does that I didn't say one church father mattered.

19:56

Speaker A

You're just cutting me off. You're talking faster than you could think because you're caught. So just hear me out. be caught in because you haven't done any art.

20:05

Speaker A

Hear me out Jay before you speak because you already look bad. Even Sam Shimon here who's listening thinks you look bad. So let me let me answer you now.

20:16

Speaker A

You claimed cuz I said the contradic or the genealogies are contradictory. You said well no they're not contradictory because one you made an affirmation. You asserted that one is referring to Mary's lineage. Now it is upon you to

20:31

Speaker A

substantiate that one is talking about Mary's lineage. Although the plain reading of the text connects it to Joseph and not Mary. So now I ask you please substantiate your claim that this is Mary.

20:45

Speaker A

They're both from the house of David. Everyone knows this. Can you prove that Mary is from the house of David?

20:50

Speaker A

How do you know what the plain reading is? I don't believe there are plain readings of text.

20:53

Speaker A

Oh, you don't know. Okay. So when it stands, how do you know what the plane reading?

20:56

Speaker A

Oh, it's it's it's very easy. I got you. Oh. Oh. Ah. How do you know, dude? Are you Are you a monkey or something? Are you good?

21:03

Speaker A

That That That did not That did not land bro. So now I'm I'm answering you. You said, "How do I know what the plane reading is?" You just asked me a question. I'm about to answer. You said, "How do I know what

21:16

Speaker A

the plane reading?" Look, dude, are you okay? Do you have mental issues? You asked, "How do I know the plane reading?" I am now answering I know the plain reading because there are readings when it comes to language when

21:30

Speaker A

it comes to context there are [laughter] so this guy so so so you don't want to talk so Jay Dyer you don't you don't want you don't want to talk Jire it already it looks bad man now you're

21:42

Speaker A

doing Indian sounds you know the plane so Jay Dyer is now doing Indian sounds now Jay Dyer is doing Indian sounds while trying to have names is that a circular so Jay Dyer wants to do Indian sounds instead of

21:54

Speaker A

talk. Yeah. Yeah. Keep keep doing Indian sounds. I know your your Ortho bro followers are going to eat it up because you don't actually want to discuss.

22:05

Speaker A

Can I can I respond to you instead of you doing Indian sounds? Are we am I am I going to respond to you reading?

22:13

Speaker A

So am I are we actually going to talk? Jay, how do you know the plane?

22:16

Speaker A

I'M ABOUT TO ANSWER. SHUT UP. Lord have mercy. Be quiet. like melody. You just said, "How do I know the plain reading?" When it comes to language, when we're reading a sentence, there are sentences that are clear and

22:31

Speaker A

unequivocal. And there are sentences. Dude, are you going to are you going to keep cutting me off? Yo, Jay Dyer, Jay Dy, you just cut me off again. It's It looks bad. It looks It looks bad again, Jay Dyer. Cuz as soon as I start

22:46

Speaker A

answering you, you keep you keep cutting me out. If I made a mistake, then wait your turn, Jay Dyer. You suck at this.

22:53

Speaker A

Oh, you made a mistake. I know. I know you sucked at this, J Dyer. So, wait for me.

22:57

Speaker A

You admitted that you made a mistake. If you think I made a mistake, then wait until I'm finished, Jay Dyer.

23:03

Speaker A

So, we're already being sofist here. How do you know the plain reading? I'm I was in the middle of answering before you started acting like a chimp and cut me off. Stop acting like a chimpanzee and let me finish my answer.

23:15

Speaker A

How about that? Other than reading. So, it's just reading. I'm about I'm You Can I finish, bro?

23:22

Speaker A

Can I finish? Yeah, we we we knew you weren't actually going to go through with the debate, bro. We knew. Everybody knew.

23:29

Speaker A

So, you said, "How do I know the plane reading?" This is I'm going to destroy.

23:32

Speaker A

Hey, bro. Hey, bro. Are we Are we going to keep doing this? Are we going to keep playing around?

23:36

Speaker A

You said I won't do the debate. Here we are doing Are you going to keep cutting me off, doing Indian sounds, being a chimp instead of talking?

23:45

Speaker A

You haven't answered any question. I was in the middle of answering. I was in the middle of answering when you started chimping out like a hooligan.

23:52

Speaker A

Are you going to Are you Am I going to get to finish an answer now?

23:56

Speaker A

You repeating you repeating the question doesn't mean that I wasn't in in the middle of answering. So Jay Dyer, I I offered you the grace to come on your platform. So be respectful of my time, please. I don't want your 500. I don't

24:09

Speaker A

want your $500, but every time I start answering, please don't cut me off. The answer.

24:14

Speaker A

Yo, Jay Dyer, do it one more time and I'm out of here, bro. Dire.

24:18

Speaker A

Yeah, one more time. You cut me off one more time, you're not getting the debate anymore.

24:22

Speaker A

Read the clear. So I'm going to I'm going to start answering now. Jay Dyer, you said, "How do I know what the plain reading is?" This is sulfism at its finest because if some Why are you cutting me off already?

24:37

Speaker A

What is wrong with you? It's not sulfury. All right, Jay Dyer. One more time, J.

24:41

Speaker A

Dyer and I'm out of here. I'm going to start answering again. One more time.

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You asked, "How do I know the plain reading?" Now I'm Now I'm answering. I have to like uh call out every time I'm answering so you don't cut me off.

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Speaker A

Yeah, I know the plane read. Okay. All right. Thank you, brother. Have a good day. Enjoy your day, man.

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Speaker A

Look at it. Thank you. All right. As you guys could see, Jay Dyer is not trying to have a debate.

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Speaker A

I gave him a levelgrade argument. Levelgrade argument. Level grade. Level one. Level one. He wants me to leave. That's what he wants. He wants me to just leave. And I did. I'm going to leave. No problem. because everything was clear

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Speaker A

there. Jay Dyer sucks, guys. Jay Dyer doesn't know how to answer a grade one argument.

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Speaker A

Jay Dyer doesn't know how to answer a grade one argument. Every time I start speaking, he starts cutting me off.

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Speaker A

Every time I start speaking, he cutting me off. Starts doing Indian sounds, Indian noises. Everybody saw tonight, Jay, that you're not actually here for a genuine discussion.

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Speaker A

You're here to just panic, dude. Panic. Do Indian sounds. We couldn't even get to the discussion because you keep cutting me off.

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Speaker A

So Jay Dyer, if you actually want to have a debate, follow up with Sneo.

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Speaker A

We're going to do time debates with a fair moderator and then we could talk because now you have proven to me and the world you're not able of having an unmodderated discussion.

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Speaker A

You're not able. You're here to chimp out because you cannot answer a grade one argument. [laughter] He cannot answer a level one argument.

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Level one argument. Genealogy contradiction. Can you guys believe the top ortho bro cannot answer a grade one argument?

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Grade one argument. So because he saw that he's not able to answer, he started doing Indian sounds, cutting me off, interrupting because he wanted me to leave. He know I'm not going to put up with it. I'm not going to put up with

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you acting like a monkey, like a chimp. Okay? So, you can go and preach to the choir, preach to nothing, right, in your in your Twitter space, and I'm going to have self-respect not to continue engaging in this useless conversation

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Speaker A

anymore. But alhamdulillah everybody saw that Jay Dyer is not able to respond to one grade grade zero objection.

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Speaker A

Are you guys seeing what I'm seeing? Grade zero objection. He started panicking about it. He said it's Mary's lineage. When I said it's Well, show me where it says Mary's lineage. Well, it doesn't need to say that. Okay. Can you

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substantiate that it's Mary's lineage? Look. Oh, how do you know your interpretation is true? H how do you know that the plain reading? Oh my god, it says this is the lineage of Jesus, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli.

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How do you know that? WHAT ARE WE DOING? [laughter] What are we doing, dude?

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Speaker A

My goodness. This is bad. This is Oh my god, I can't believe it. How do you know it's the plan reading?

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Speaker A

And as soon as I'm answering, he starts chimping out. Do you guys see the sofas on? Do you guys see why they're a waste of time?

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Speaker A

Do you guys see what I'm seeing or not? [laughter] This is what exactly what he did to Jesus and whatnot. He did the same thing to Jesus and whatnot.

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Speaker A

So now let's everybody go on Twitter. Let's let's dis let's make this post go crazy.

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Speaker A

I just posted on Twitter. Everybody go explode the tweet. His fanboys are so embarrassed. They're so embarrassed. Jay, what are you doing?

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Speaker A

Oh my god. Jay, why did you go that route? Oh, Jay, no. Jay, no. [laughter] I'm still processing what just happened.

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Speaker A

Jay, you're smarter than that, dude. Oh my god. No way. Wow. Oh my god, dude. No way.

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No freaking way, bro. Somebody go record that. I think Sam is teaching him. 36.

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He's teaching her. He's teaching him. Holy Mary [laughter] Sam Shimone is putting BTA [clears throat] mans 2659 we're told Hebrew mediam and by the way in Arabic Mary's called Mediam the sister of Aaron and we're told numbers 26 5859

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that Imam which would correspond to his wife gave report to his children, Aaron and Moses. So the only Mediam who has a father named Aaron, I'm sorry, Iran, a brother named Aaron, is a sister Moses. So the Quran thinks that Moses is

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Jesus's uncle. So I'll have a field day with that one. But now let me read what says Mary was the daughter of Sam Shimon is now doing damage control.

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Speaker A

Wow. Wow. Do you guys see what just happened, bro? Wow. I can't I can't believe J Dra was that easy.

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Speaker A

Random kids on Tik Tok give me a harder time. JJ Dyer, may Allah strike me down.

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Speaker A

Tik Tok kids, average Christians, do better than Jay Dyer did tonight. Wall Jay Dyer acted like a bot.

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Speaker A

wall. Guys, do you guys now do you guys now see why these people are terrified of me? I don't want to be cocky. I don't want to, you know, up myself, but do you guys now see why these people

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Speaker A

are terrified of me? Why they're making up things about me? I'm a doxer. I'm a rapist. I'm I'm the Grinch who, you know, destroyed Christmas. I am uh Schmidler's uh reincarnation.

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Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] This is why they cannot last 5 minutes. 5 minutes he's already knowledge gapped.

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Speaker A

How are you getting knowledge gapped by this guy right here? I'm just a DJ Khaled man.

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Speaker A

I can't [laughter] I I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I can't believe it, man. But look, this is how Allah subhana wa ta'ala exposes these guys, man. This is how Allah subhana wa ta'ala exposes these guys so hard. They are a

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Speaker A

laughing stock in front of their fans and followers. They are a literal laughing stock in front of their fans and followers. Guys, Joseph is the son of Hila. How do you know that you're reading this correctly?

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Speaker A

Maybe aliens came and they ruined your mind and they diluted your understanding. How do you know you have the right interpretation?

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Speaker A

[laughter] Wow, it's crazy, man. Did somebody send Jiza? [sighs] Somebody send Jizian. Okay, at least somebody is trying to engage. Sword of truth apologetics.

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Speaker A

Thank you for your attempt even though it's a weak attempt. Thank you for doing better than Jay.

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Speaker A

Now, the reason this doesn't work sort of truth apologetics is that when Luke says as was supposed to Mary being the wife or of the Joseph being the father of Jesus, nothing to do with Mary's lineage because in Luke's gospel, Jesus is born

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of a virgin. So because Joseph is not his actual dad, which proves my point, it's going through Joseph, but the author tells you he is his supposed son, not his real son.

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Speaker A

But the lineage still goes through Joseph. He is the son of Joseph, the son of so and so, the son of so and so. So the lineage doesn't go back to Mary. This is an innovation of the 15th century.

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Speaker A

And Jay Dyer claims that he is an expert on the church history. And he gives me a response that the church never knew or considered.

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Speaker A

That's why Julius Africanis in the 3rd century tries his best to resolve this contradiction by saying that there's a lever marriage.

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Speaker A

Thank you though. At least at least you tried. At least you engaged and did better than Jay.

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Speaker A

Because Jay panicked so hard. He didn't even know. He didn't expect it, guys. He didn't expect me to go simple.

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Speaker A

[snorts] When I went simple, grade level argument, he started manifesting. [sighs] Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Allah always always makes me victorious over these clowns.

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Allah always exposes these clowns without much effort or work. Wow. Wow. The Christians are all calling him out.

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Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] Wow. The Christians are really calling him out. [laughter] Wow. Wow. Wow.

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Speaker A

Jay [clears throat] is doodoo, bro. He's trash. [laughter] Yo man, that's funny. Guys, everybody go blow up the tweet. Go on my Twitter and blow up the tweet, guys. [sighs] I just want to when you guys when I was

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on the space, the audio was working well. Yeah, you guys could hear both sides. Well, just want to make sure the audio is working well. Yeah, because it's going to get posted, guys. Yeah, it's going to get posted.

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Speaker A

Oh man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Everybody could see who is ready for a challenge, who really wants to have a discussion, who is panicking, who was manifesting, and who wasn't. everybody could see. He came into my Tik Tok live, challenged me to

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talk. I said, "Let's talk." He said, "No, no, no, no. Not on your live." You want to know why, guys? Because his plan the whole time was to do exactly what he did. But I said, "Okay, no problem." He

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Speaker A

said, "I'll give you $500 if you come." I said, "I don't want you $500. I will come." I came on his Twitter space and it took just five minutes.

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Speaker A

It took just five minutes. So now Jay, seeing that you can't control yourself, you will only get a debate with a moderator. That's it.

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Speaker A

You are not allowed to talk to me without a moderator anymore because you're try. You suck. Wah. Avery is better than you.

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Speaker A

it. It's hard to say this. Wallah Avery is better than J Dire. I thought J Dyier was a top at the top before.

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Speaker A

Wallah Avery is better than Jay Dyer. Avery is better than J Dire. Avery is better than J Dyer. I had a harder time when a with Avery than Jay Dyer.

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Speaker A

Well, he surprised me tonight. I didn't think that he was this bad. Jay sucks. [laughter] Not going to lie. I'm I'm being honest.

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Speaker A

Avery is better than Jay Dyer. He's a lot better. He's a lot He's a lot better. 100%.

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Speaker A

100%. No doubt about that. 100%. Why your hair not equal guy? It's okay, man. Whatever, man. I know the lineup is not that straight. It's okay.

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Speaker A

It's fine. It's fine. I, you know, I cut my hair today. It felt like a huge weight on me being taken off. I feel a lot better. I feel nicer. I just started my diet yesterday, 2 days in. Oh, one

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Speaker A

meal a day. Uh, it's time to cut. It's time to get shredded. It's time to stop.

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Speaker A

It's time to stop being a fat ass to lose all this water weight and face weight fat.

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Speaker A

Okay. So, you know, I'm starting a new journey, a new look, cut my hair off, you know. I you know, I don't want to I don't want to be fat anymore.

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Speaker A

I'm [snorts] tired of being fat. I'm tired of being overweight, you know. So, that's that's that's uh that's what I'm doing right now.

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Speaker A

One meal a day. I'm doing cardio, keeping my calorie intake at uh like 1,500 calories. And that's too low, but I want to lose weight fast, right?

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Speaker A

[laughter] Yo, you funny, bro. You funny. You funny. This guy said biggest of bros. I like that, man. I like that. You a funny guy. You a funny guy. You're a funny guy man.

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Speaker A

Yeah. Also, you know, I'm I'm I want to I want to I want to lose weight cuz I think that'll help my asthma, [gasps] you know. Um, my asthma has been at its all-time worst. So, you know, I thought

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Speaker A

if I lose weight, then it'll definitely help my asthma. No, no. What do you got? Yeah. Water weight. When you first start losing weight, you lose weight quick in the first couple of weeks because all the water weight is is is leaving, right?

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Speaker A

It's a it's a thing. Everybody has water weight. You have to lift, bro. Guys, I'm naturally deezed like like muscles wise, but I just gained weight, right? I don't even need to lift and I'll still be like, you know what I'm

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Speaker A

saying? Like if I showed you get pictures of me back in the day, me just before I got married, just before I got married, you guys think like, yo, who's who's this guy, man?

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Speaker A

Who's who's this ripped handsome fella? But after I got married, everything in terms of my weight, everything went down in terms, you know, everything went down. My wife, you know, feeding me too much, eating too much, everything went

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Speaker A

down. You guys want to see? You guys want to see what I used to look like?

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Speaker A

I could show you if you guys want. Who wants to see? Who wants to see what Liano used to look like? Let's see when posted this on my Instagram.

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Speaker A

Uh, November 2nd, 2023. Here, let me pull it up for you guys. November 2nd, 2023.

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Speaker A

[sighs] Screenshot it. And this is November 1st, 2023. So it's about three years ago.

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Speaker A

All right, let me see if I could put it up. [clears throat] All right.

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Share image file download. Okay, here we go. That's me, chat. 2023 November 1st in Morocco. This picture was taken on the way to Agadir from Marrakesh.

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Look how skinny I was. I went from Drake to DJ Khaled. [laughter] Yeah. I'm telling you guys, look, I just need to lose the weight that I gained, man. That's it.

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Speaker A

That's it. Let me show you the other picture I have on my Instagram. One sec.

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[sighs and gasps] I took there's another one from Morocco. I took image file. This one, this is in medatusf in Morocco. Who knows Medatusf this is one of the oldest schools in Islamic schools in Morocco. I think it's

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like a maturi or maze. I don't know some some weird stuff. But uh this was me in November 3rd, 2023. For people saying it's AI, wah it's not AI. Chbt wasn't out I don't think by that time. 2023 was

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Speaker A

it? I'm not sure. But these are posted on my personal private IG. So this was in November 2023.

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Speaker A

I know I got to lock in, guys. You see, I got to lock in. I got to lock in. But for me to lock in, I got to shave my head and I got to, you know, get on

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Speaker A

OMAD. I got to get on OMAD, man. But yeah, now Oh, look at this. Look at this face fat. Too much face fat.

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Speaker A

See, too much face fat, too much weight gained. [sighs and gasps] Somebody said Christians got to be high in calorie.

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Speaker A

They They are, man. They are. Somebody [snorts] said, "Now it's chubby cheeks galore." Yeah. Look, you I appreciate that you guys let me know because sometimes I'm delusional. So, I need people to make fun of me and tell me

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Speaker A

that I'm fat for me to lock in. Last time I got fat, it took me my buddy. I got in an argument with my buddy and in the middle of the argument, he called me a fat ass.

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Speaker A

It's the first time ever called me a fat ass in my life. This was, you know, before when I gained weight and I lost it again.

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Speaker A

My buddy, he's like, "You fat ass." And I'm like, "Yo, no way." Like, "No way." Like, this dude really called me a fat ass in an argument.

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Speaker A

Why? I got to lock in. And so I locked in. I remember that month I lost 25 pounds.

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Speaker A

I lost 25 pounds. I locked in at the gym. I was going to the gym at least four times a week. I was eating good. I was eating one meal a day, doing intermittent fasting 23 hours a day.

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Speaker A

Only had a 1 hour eating window. Um, yeah, in literally in one month I lost 25 pounds, you know, literally 25 pounds in one month. Then I got back to eating again. Just, you know, eating and not moving too much.

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Speaker A

stopped going to the gym. Then I slowly started gaining all the weight back. I got married, you know. So now I'm here. [clears throat] [sighs and gasps] Now I would say I got to lose a good 40 lbs. 35 to 40 lbs.

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Speaker A

I got to lose a good I'd say 35 40 lbs and I'll be I'll be I'll be good. I'll be exactly where I'm at. Inshallah.

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Speaker A

Inshallah. Now it's do day number two of the journey. Day number two of the journey.

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Speaker A

I'm not getting peptides. It's not happening. It's not happening, man. Did he already debate Jay? Yes. You want to call it a debate? He started panicking in 5 minutes.

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Speaker A

W friend for calling me fat. 100%. Guys, if you know fat people, fat shame them.

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Speaker A

That's the best thing you'll do to them. Fat shaming your friends and the people you love is the best thing you can do to your friend. Because when you fat shame your friend, when you let him know he's fat, only

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Speaker A

then he'll actually work towards being skinny. I'm telling you, if you have a fat friend, you got to let them know. If somebody is gaining too much weight, you got to let them know because they'll feel like it's okay. They won't see it,

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Speaker A

right? And I'm telling you guys from experience, it's the best thing from my experience. Somebody had to do it to me.

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Speaker A

I was gaining weight. I was getting a little chunky. Somebody had to, yo, you're getting fat, dude. You're getting big. You're getting huge, man.

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Speaker A

And only then I started taking the gym serious. No, nothing motivated me except for that.

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Speaker A

Nothing motivated me as much as that. When my friend called me fat in an argument, wasn't even joking. It was an argument was heated. [gasps] [snorts] That's when I knew, yo, I'm getting I'm this getting out of it's

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Speaker A

getting out of control, man. Yo, low key. What's OMAD? So, OMAD is basically um eating one meal a day. But don't get it twisted. If you eat one meal a day, but you're going you're not at a calorie

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Speaker A

deficit, it's not going to help. The point of doing one meal a day is that you're going to be fasting. So, not religious fasting, intermittent fasting.

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Speaker A

And when you fast, your body starts burning calories faster because it starts relying on the extra fat, stored fat for energy, right?

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Speaker A

Instead of food. Okay? So that's that's so that's why you do one meal a day, 23 hours, 22 hours, whatever suits you best. 20 hours. Some people even do a six 168. So, 16-hour fast, 8 hour eating window, right? In

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Speaker A

your eating window, in your eating window, you have to eat within a calorie deficit. You can't just go crazy and start eating everything.

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Speaker A

You have to still be within a calorie deficit. That's the only way to lose weight. Take it from someone who's lost weight, gained weight, lost weight, gained weight, right? That's the only way to lose weight. You don't have to do

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Speaker A

anything. You don't have to do anything crazy. just calorie deficit. Um, eat less than the calories you're burning.

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Speaker A

Okay, that's all that's that's that's literally all it takes. It's literally all it takes.

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Speaker A

You're allowed water in intermittent fasting. Yes. Yeah. Actually, you should be drinking a lot of water.

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Speaker A

It's not good to not drink water because when I did intermittent fasting and I wasn't drinking enough water, when I would go to the gym, I would get so dizzy and have a headache that I would almost fall that I wouldn't be able to

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Speaker A

even stand. When you're fasting for that long, you need to stay hydrated. You need to drink as much water as possible.

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Speaker A

And one more thing that helped me out a lot is taking creatine. creatine. You You could take it in uh pill form or in uh uh what's it called?

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Speaker A

Powder. Okay. But I used to take three pills of creatine a day. Three pills of creatine a day. But with creatine, you got to be working out. You got to be active. If you take creatine without being active, working out, you're going

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Speaker A

to mess up your body. Creatine gives you this like this unstoppable energy, this power.

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When I started taking creatine at the gym, I was doing double my reps, double my sets, I was unstoppable, right? And it helps you, what creatine does is it helps you gain muscle fast and it helps you with muscle recovery as

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Speaker A

well after your workouts. [sighs and gasps] Yeah, creatine, but you have to drink a lot of water. Creatine without water, you're gonna unal alive yourself.

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Speaker A

Creatine with water. And for those people think creatine is like an external substance. No. Creatine is a natural substance that your your body produces.

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Speaker A

How long before you work out you take creatine? No, you just take three a day.

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Speaker A

So what I used to do is I take one in the morning, one midday, and one at night.

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Three a day. There's this brand, creatine brand at Walmart. It's a blue bottle, right? And it's a it's a capsulated uh pill. It's a capsule, right? And I'll take three of them. I I I don't remember like u I don't remember

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Speaker A

like how many grams it was to be honest, but I I Yeah, I used to take three three a day. I I could never do the powder because it's disgusting.

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Speaker A

Do you drink energy drinks? No. Energy drinks are not good for you. They'll ruin your sleep. They'll ruin your your mental.

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Speaker A

They're not good for you. Don't Don't take energy drinks. When you played footy in high school, what position do you play? That's a good question. I played right wing and sometimes left wing as well.

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Left wing, right wing, sometimes striker, sometimes. Not really though. [sighs and gasps] Um, but yeah, I didn't just play for my high school team. I I uh I don't know if you guys know this, but uh soccer was, for

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Speaker A

those who are in Europe are going to laugh at me, but that's what we call it.

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Soccer, football was my life. When I was a young guy, when I was uh, you know, middle school, high school, it was my life. I would go to the turf every day and I would ball for seven hours every

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Speaker A

day. I had a whole Instagram page recording my free kicks. I would take free kicks all day and perfect my free kick. Top bins, top bins, crossbar and back into the net, right? So, I was it was my life. I

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Speaker A

was this I loved it. And what was weird though is I I never actually enjoyed watching soccer. So, I never kept up with like I don't know. I don't watch soccer, right? I've never watched it.

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Was weird. I loved playing soccer. It was my life, but I never watched it, right? I only watch important games, World Cup, you know, um, Eláico, uh, you know, um, you know, championship finals, you know, stuff like that. But I

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I never I never really watched it. Okay. But yeah, I was I would play every day.

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And uh, yeah, it was it was awesome, man. It was uh, good old days. Good old days. Uh then what happened for those watching me who are still in high school who are still vaping. What happened to me is I had a friend of mine, Libyan

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guy, he got me into vaping. I got addicted to it. I was feing. I we would go and you know we'd leave our classroom, go to the washroom and start feeding on some nicot [laughter] feeding on some nicotine, right? And that that

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Speaker A

was a bad idea because that that really messed up my lungs and I already had asthma from when I was a kid.

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So then it came back in my high school time, right? And I was I was so addicted that I would wake up in the morning and the first thing I would look for is the vape, right? [laughter] The f like it was that bad, right? And

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yeah, my l my asthma came back. I got kicked off my team because I stopped showing up to to the practices and uh my you know, my performance went downhill.

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I got cut from the team because we were playing VIP. There's levels when you're playing club soccer. There is bronze, silver, gold, and VIP, which is the top level. So, I I remember I was uh playing U16, U7 VIP, right? And I got cut from

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the team. I got cut from the team when I was living in BC because I stopped showing up to practice. I, you know, I couldn't run anymore. my asthma really caught up to me and uh yeah so after my asthma got

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caught up to me my all an is debating Jay is he let's see no way Jay Dy is getting the belt twice tonight. Wow, he blocked me again.

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Speaker A

This guy keeps blocking and unblocking, blocking and unblocking, dude. Guys, go to his comments on Tik Tok. He is literally getting destroyed and disowned by his own fans.

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Speaker A

Wow. But I don't see a talking to him. [sighs] [gasps] Let's see. Yeah, I don't I think he blocked me. I can't see it.

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So, yeah, guys. After I got asthma, I stopped playing soccer. You want to know how I quit vaping? You guys want to know the only way was it was 2019. My family was going back to Libya for the first time ever since we

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Speaker A

left in 2014. So I went back to Libya. At the time I don't know you couldn't carry your your uh vape an come up brother if you want to come up. I'll give you I'll send you the link right now. An

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Speaker A

I'll send it to you right now my brother. Second, come on in, bro. How tall am I? I'm 5'10. 5'11 on a good day, you know.

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No, I'm f I'm 5'10. I'm 5'10. So, I had to go to Libya. I was there for the whole summer 2019 for three months.

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[sighs] And uh yeah, three months I didn't have access to vapes. Vapes at that time were inaccessible in 2019, right? So I literally didn't I couldn't, right? So you know what I did?

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I picked up a cigarette cuz I I was so addicted to nicotine. I want picked up a cigarette. I tried a cigarette for the first time in my life. I was rushed into the hospital an hour later. It literally

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closed my lungs. It destroyed me. I was attached to all kinds of tubes. I spent the night in the hospital. And ever since that day, ever since that day, 2019, July 2019, I still remember July 2019, I never smoked a thing in my

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Speaker A

life. I never approached a cancer stick in my life ever. [snorts] No hookah, no vaping, no nothing.

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Nothing ever since that day, 2019. That's what it was. So, uh why do I tell you this? I tell you this, so if you are vaping, because a lot of you guys are vaping, you guys are addicted. It's a

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Speaker A

big problem nowadays with the youth. If you are vaping, you better stop it now or it's it's going to really have a big toll on your health, on your body.

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Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] It's going to it's going to ruin your life. It's going to ruin your life. My friend, he had uh heart palpitations from uh from vaping. His heart almost stopped. He was rushed in the hospital.

64:17

Speaker A

Another friend of mine who's been vaping since high school, he got popcorn lungs. Popcorn lungs. Right?

64:25

Speaker A

So, you got you got you guys got to stop doing it, man. It's unhealthy. you're just shortening your lifespan, right?

64:33

Speaker A

And you're just you're making your health you're you're just deteriorating your health every day and your body every day. You as a Muslim, you shouldn't be smoking. You shouldn't be smelling like like smoke and cigarettes to begin with. You shouldn't be doing

64:46

Speaker A

that to begin with, but also for your own health. Oh, they kicked Anna out. I didn't see it. Um, for your own health guys, for your own health, don't do it.

65:17

Speaker A

The Jay already happened, brother. Go back. Go back in the stream and you'll see. It already happened. He was embarrassed in five minutes. Five minutes. He panicked. I gave him level one grade one argument.

65:31

Speaker A

He performed worse than the Tik Tok guests that come on my lives. Fresh fade I see. Thank you guys. Thank you. I'm getting getting mixed opinions.

65:53

Speaker A

Some people like it, some people don't like it. I like it personally. I think it looks nice.

66:02

Speaker A

Let me call this call this dude. All right, he's coming. Thoughts on Bakupka? My favorite man. My favorite.

66:30

Speaker A

When trip turkey for hair, I don't know. I still maybe I still got a couple years on me, man. What do you guys think before it all falls off?

66:39

Speaker A

Bro, not going to lie, curly looks better on you. Yeah, I know. But at the same time, I feel like long curly hair is a little bit immature.

66:52

Speaker A

I feel like looking like this is more masculine, more mature. You look uh you know, you look manly.

67:00

Speaker A

That's that's what I feel like. [sighs and gasps] I feel like the the curly hair is a it's like what I used to do in high school, you know? I had like Oh, if you guys if you guys see my hair before, I had I had

67:20

Speaker A

a man bun. I literally had a man bun before way back in my day. If I showed you guys pictures, you'd be like, "Who is this?" I had a man bun, guys. That's what I was rocking before.

67:35

Speaker A

[sighs] That's how long my hair was. Now you got to show us. You guys want to see everything, man. Let me scroll down on my Snapchat. Let's see if I have if I have any photos of my man bun.

68:01

Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] Yo, at that time I didn't even have a beard. I didn't even have a beard at that time.

68:18

Speaker A

How old am I? I'm 20 23 now. 03. Born in 03. There's this clip of me juggling with my hair, but it has music in it.

68:42

Speaker A

See? Here. One sec. Yeah, I'll show you guys this video. This video is fine.

69:05

Speaker A

This video is cool. Where's the save option on this? Bro, I haven't used Snapchat in ages, dude. How does this work?

70:00

Speaker A

Okay, I think I figured it out. Save the camera roll. MacBook Pro. All right.

70:32

Speaker A

All right. Yo, Ann, what's going on, bro? Yo, what's good? What's good? I saw you posted a video of you balling the other day.

70:42

Speaker A

[laughter] I was a baller myself, too. Here. Here. This is what I This is what my hair looked like.

70:46

Speaker A

Show me something. Here, it's on the screen. That's me. Look at my hair. No way.

70:56

Speaker A

Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. Wait, was it braided up or or what? Looks like I had a I'm still looking for the picture where I had it wrapped, but Yeah. Yeah.

71:09

Speaker A

And you're like what? 18. That's a nice little nice little curve. Okay. Yeah. Well, let let me see when what year this was. This was pretty sure like 2021, something like that. Like Um, some something like that. Something

71:27

Speaker A

like that. But yeah, I I used to I used to play all the time, man. I used to play all the time. I used to I used to ball, bro. Was it was amazing time. So, anyways, let's talk about J Dire, man.

71:36

Speaker A

What happened? Bro, exactly like what you predicted earlier. You're going to give him a level one hat, right? Level one chub hat. And it's going to be something obviously unfamiliar to literally level one, bro. the deity contradiction, dude. That's horrendous, bro. I I went

71:55

Speaker A

up after, right? Cuz they were still on the Twitter call. I went up after and I started speaking to Sam and Dyer. Sam made the argument like how distant is Muhammad from Jesus or how far back was Jesus preaching? I just bring the hadith

72:07

Speaker A

from he didn't even know it existed, right? And then he starts running the messianic dilemma. How were the Jews supposed to verify that Jesus was the Messiah?

72:15

Speaker A

Sam Shimon. Sam Shimon. He went up was talking on Jay's behalf. Exactly. On Jay's behalf and running the Islamic counter arguments. They bring up Apex, then they bring up some guy named Fulan, and then they bring up me right

72:29

Speaker A

after. And I started discussing immediately. I'm going to post it tomorrow. Immediately. He's done. His his legitimacy is over, bro. Did you see what he did to me?

72:41

Speaker A

Did you watch interrupted every single two second? We're watching. We're all watching, bro. Bro, this guy literally panicked bro.

72:49

Speaker A

Yeah. Yeah. Did you see his response? Oh, it's Mary. He would tell you he would tell you to respond. You start responding and immediately to interrupt like three words in whenever he It's not even that response. His response was so dooky.

73:03

Speaker A

Mary's lineage, bro. That's That's what the preachers on the side of the street say.

73:08

Speaker A

Exactly. One of the I thought you're academic, bro. I thought you're smart. Yeah. Yeah. You think you'd have some sort of commentary to like lean back on.

73:17

Speaker A

The funniest point that you bring is the with the amount of times that he shits on the Protestants, right?

73:22

Speaker A

Yeah. He brought a invented response. [laughter] Wow. Jeez sucks. And that's why I said after my interaction with him tonight where he panicked and I ended him in five minutes.

73:38

Speaker A

Yeah. I actually think Logic is better than him. and multitude of aspects. I actually think Logic is better than Jay. It hurt It hurts to say this, but I got I got to say how it is.

73:54

Speaker A

They both dookie, but one is dookier than the other. Yeah, Logic is better than Jay 100%.

74:01

Speaker A

Maybe when it comes to like not when it comes to logic and stuff like uh you know philosophy.

74:06

Speaker A

Yeah. Yeah. But I Jay sucks that bad. I definitely agree. Yeah, that was horrendous, bro. Horrendous. And you literally predicted that You literally predicted that. You knew that this was going to be something that's gonna uh be a massive hurdle for him.

74:23

Speaker A

And immediately he starts panicking, interrupting, no substance, no commentary, no historical background, no sort of linguistic connection. And you, he asked for your justification, you start offering the justification. Can't even get three seconds uh in without him interrupting. Well, that is pathetic

74:36

Speaker A

there. You guys at the bottom of the barrel. No wonder he didn't want to debate on my Tik Tok live when he came up.

74:42

Speaker A

No, no wonder. Was he Was he requesting or did you just see him just join and then you just sent him an invite?

74:49

Speaker A

He came in and I requested him and he took like five minutes to come up. Then he mustered up the courage and he came up. He's like, "Uh, yeah, I'll debate you. I'll debate you for $500 if you

75:00

Speaker A

come to my open." I'm like, "Dude, just talk now." No, I'll give you I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to give you content. What? I'm going to get content either way. He just started making like stuff up, right?

75:10

Speaker A

And he's, "Oh, are you running? Are you running?" I'm like, "All right, I'll come. [laughter] I don't want you $500 on, right?

75:18

Speaker A

Do you think he's going to make the debate fall through?" I said, "Okay." Then you know what he said as soon as I said, "I'll come." Guess what he said?

75:26

Speaker A

Sure. He panics. OH, PETRISTICS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK PETRISTICS, BRO. As soon as I said, "Okay, I'll come." cuz he didn't expect me to just whatever, you know? He's like, "Oh, Petristics." Like, he started like panicking and like picking the topic

75:41

Speaker A

right away. What does that tell you, guys? Tell me. Tell me. I'm not I'm not a psychologist or anything, but I know a thing or two. What does that sound like when he just started picking the topic right away, scrambling?

75:57

Speaker A

Nervous. It means he's nervous. He doesn't feel comfortable with any topic. That's why he started naming his most comfortable topic.

76:08

Speaker A

Right? So I'm like, "No, no, no, no, Jay Dyer. We're gonna do Christianity versus Islam because that's a topic that you accepted and we were going to debate on Sneo." Right? Me, I'm down for any topic as long as I'm getting a turn. You're

76:23

Speaker A

getting a turn. We're talking about both world views. Like Christianity versus Islam, he said, "Okay, sure. You know what happens as soon as I come up on the uh on the thing on his uh Twitter space?

76:37

Speaker A

He's like, "SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT ALLAH." YEAH. YEAH. Let's talk about Allah. Chapter 42 says, Chapter 42 says that he's not he's not anything like his creation, right? He is literally panicking so hard. He's he he like wants

76:50

Speaker A

to uh control the conversation to go to a place where he feels comfortable, right? And I said, "Okay, no problem.

76:57

Speaker A

We'll talk about that. But it'll do 2 minutes. 2 minutes. I'll give my argument, you give your argument, then we'll discuss, right? [gasps] And as soon as I give my I told him, I'm going to show you in front of your fans

77:11

Speaker A

today. You're seen as the final boss, the orthobro leader. I am going to show everybody that you can't even respond to the simplest objection.

77:23

Speaker A

And I give him the simple objection. And what happens? [applause] Dusted, bro. He knows that bad looks.

77:37

Speaker A

Dusted. He started panicking. He started saying anything. It got to a point where he says, "It's about Mary." And then I'm like, "Well, where does it say it's Mary?" He's like, "IT DOESN'T NEED TO SAY it's about Mary."

77:52

Speaker A

Dude, are we are are what is this low tier stuff? I'm like, I never said it needs to say that it's not uh that it's m or it doesn't uh need to say that it's Mary, but where are you drawing that

78:04

Speaker A

inference? Right? Where you can you substantiate that claim that it's about Mary? Because a plain reading is clearly not Mary. It's Joseph. He's like, well, how do you know what the plain reading is? How do you know what the plain

78:17

Speaker A

reading? Is this is this somebody who's an intellectual, an academic who feels comfortable, or is this somebody who feels so uncomfortable, so embarrassed that they can't respond? Oh, wami, man.

78:32

Speaker A

Shout out Kora, guys. Subscribe to Kora if you haven't already. Also, subscribe to an AM the servant if you haven't already. Subscribe to Dean Responds if you haven't already. That's the squad, man.

78:43

Speaker A

Yeah. Anyways, so clearly he wasn't comfortable and it was going to look really bad that the guy literally can't respond to a grade one argument about genealogies.

79:02

Speaker A

And so that's what happened. He started panicking, making uh monkey noises. He started making Indian accents.

79:10

Speaker A

started making Indian accents like like acting like a hooligan in a zoo. So I'm like "Brother look one, twice, three times, four times interruption." I'm like, "Brother, you do it again. You clearly I'm like answering." And he's like, "Answer the

79:25

Speaker A

question, interrupting me, right?" So I'm like, "Okay, brother. You're obviously not here to debate. You want me to leave, so I'm just going to leave cuz you want me to leave." And so hold on. What the flip, brothers? Don't pro

79:46

Speaker A

Yeah, it gets worse and worse by the day. I don't know what you mean by that, brother. I don't know what you mean by that. Anyways, Ian, any comments, man?

79:54

Speaker A

What do you What do you think about the whole uh what's your analysis? What's your breakdown?

79:59

Speaker A

Him just trying to goofully and obviously like the Ortho Bros. That's the only thing they're going to eat up from that conversation, right? Him trying to employ some sort of white supremacist like goofy rhetoric, right?

80:08

Speaker A

Him trying to Yeah. Like like Indian Indian sounds. What are you doing? Like, are you serious?

80:16

Speaker A

Anyone with their cognitive abilities, their rational faculties still intact would understand that there was one person there to try and engage in substance and the other one was trying to detract from the conversation, devolve a conversation, all right, and

80:27

Speaker A

panic and run away as quick as possible. All right? So, that's what happens when you take them to unfamiliar territory.

80:31

Speaker A

This is the beginning chapters of his first gospel. Matthew according to his tradition, first gospel, beginning traditions. and he can't even reconcile a simple internal inconsistency or can't bring an historical adequate response or can't argue linguistically for the

80:49

Speaker A

justification pertaining to his interpretation right is bummy from all different sides all different perspectives just throwing this out there right to see what sort of uh to see was how much of a bum he is right and obviously adequately he showed that

81:04

Speaker A

yeah look right and I I don't need to say anything because I know anybody watching that interaction was getting secondhand embarrassment.

81:15

Speaker A

Exactly. If I was if I was one of Jay's cuck boys, right? His his little um what do you call them?

81:26

Speaker A

Who who are the what do what do you call them again? Um uh anyways, man or bros?

81:33

Speaker A

Whatever. Whatever. I I I forgot. I was going to make a joke, but whatever. Now it's not going to hit anymore. Anyways, his little water boys, right, watching it, they were probably so embarrassed at it. It's so embarrassing.

81:46

Speaker A

It was so embarrassing. No. Oh, I was going to say Unix. I was going to say Unix, but it's okay. Too late now. Too late now. But yeah, bro. It's I don't even need to say much. I'm just

81:59

Speaker A

going to upload um I'm going to upload the uh interaction and uh yeah, it's it's over.

82:07

Speaker A

It's Jay Dyer's career is over. It's over. It's done. It's It's done. He's Everybody's gonna remember this against him from now on. But uh what did you talk to Sam about and how did it go?

82:19

Speaker A

He said he was trying to press like this uh Muslim prior to me on some like simple basic questions. He was running Messianic Dilemma. So he caught wind of the messianic dilemma most likely from Tik Tok or like these circles and he

82:31

Speaker A

started running that and he was saying, "Oh, the Messiah, how can they understand or interpret who the Messiah is?" He was trying to run the argument.

82:37

Speaker A

Mary the the sister of Moses, right? Or Mary the the sister Yeah. the sister of Moses. He was bringing and he was trying to make this argument.

82:47

Speaker A

The thing is I heard a multitude of his questions and I started answering one by one immediately when I answered the first one, right? And he said this is the only question that he asked like to the guy before he asked what is the gap

82:59

Speaker A

or how do you know how far back Jesus preached? And I was like, this dumbass doesn't even know that we have a hadith from the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam when he says that between him and Jesus it's 600 years. So

83:07

Speaker A

I bring that up and then he's like oh how do you know the hadith is true? How do you know that? I said your question was very simple.

83:12

Speaker A

You see you see how they become soulfist all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. And I I told him immediately I said how do you know that?

83:17

Speaker A

Yeah exactly. And I said I said immediately how do you know that Polycarp was teaching John or how do you know that John was teaching Polycarp?

83:22

Speaker A

Right. And they're like oh and then Jay's like too coquay too quay. I'm saying okay it comes from historical attestation tradition right correlation corroboration and a multitude of other and by and by the way they're doing an internal critique anyway.

83:33

Speaker A

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That was they're doing an internal critique not his question wasn't his question wasn't bring me from the Quran. His question was very simple. He says how do you know how far back Jesus preached? And he

83:42

Speaker A

started running that he's asking you an epistemic question. Exactly. And it's an internal critique. Right.

83:48

Speaker A

And your epistemology comes from the Quran and the Sunnah. Yeah. Okay. So if you're doing an internal critique then your par your epistemic paradigm is already assumed. So you see how Jay Dyer is make is this Jay or Sam?

84:03

Speaker A

This is Sam right? And Jay keeps bouncing back and forth. Jay was twerking. Jay was Sam and Jay suck.

84:09

Speaker A

Yeah guys we have to call it for what it is. Sam and Jay suck.

84:16

Speaker A

They're not good apologists. They are not good apologists. They are not able to answer the simplest objections.

84:25

Speaker A

No wall. I think the discord the discordian Christian kids are better apologist than Sam and Jah.

84:37

Speaker A

I swear to God they're more quick on their feet honestly, right? The Christian Discordians. But these guys, these guys were slow. These guys were discombobulated.

84:47

Speaker A

All over the place. They were constantly interrupting each other's songs. kept me on the panel for like seven minutes and even then it just felt like clear destruction, right? Anytime they'd let me speak immediately substance was getting thrown out. Every single time

84:59

Speaker A

they tried interrupting or they tried rephrasing their question to make it sorry I said my bad Libyan convention you're not supposed to anything other than Allah minor it was horrendous. It was horrendous.

85:16

Speaker A

Yeah. Keep what were you saying? horrendous, bro. Just simp simplistic like two-step arguments. And the thing is like Sam Shabban was trying to do what you were trying to do, right? Like bring a simplistic argument. But the thing is Jay Dy doesn't have the proper

85:30

Speaker A

I guess you could say faculties to answer any of these objections and we're we're on these most simplistic objections, messianic dilemma. He tried running. Bro, I wish I snuck this in.

85:41

Speaker A

They tried running. How do you know what the Messiah is? Right? Or where does the Quran give you the definition of Messiah?

85:46

Speaker A

My goodness. That's what Sam Shimon was running. Where does the Quran define the title Messiah? And I just told them very simply, all right, I'd say it's a it doesn't need to. It doesn't even need to exactly because the Quran assumes a previous

86:01

Speaker A

tradition. It doesn't need to tell you what it is. Just like it talks about suran and it talks about dood and it talks about Adam and Eve assuming prior knowledge of these stories assuming a previous tradition that predates it.

86:18

Speaker A

It doesn't need to tell hey this is what the messiah means. It assumes that this messiah convention already exists and and it's engaging with it.

86:28

Speaker A

Yeah. and very simil a very strong double standard that they're upholding is that first of all they don't take the Bible to be some sort of dictionary right that's not what they qualify the Bible as the Bible's not a dictionary every

86:39

Speaker A

single title every single name every single word every single phrase doesn't have to be thoroughly and exhaustively defined right other we can derive uh definitions based on the language based on the the common uh the colloquial sense of the term everything of the

86:53

Speaker A

choice but I could have asked them very simply okay where does the Bible define hypostasis Because hypostasis, yes, originally was used interchangeably with usa. Even up until the council of na, it was used interchangeably with essence, right? Or what makes a thing this thing?

87:09

Speaker A

I could have asked them very simply, okay, where do you get the biblical definition for hypoasis being person?

87:13

Speaker A

And immediately they kept interrupting. Wasn't even able to get it out. But it was like good seven minute seven minute clip. I'm going to post it. I bro, I literally just made a Twitter just so I could go up and, you know, oppress these

87:25

Speaker A

fools. But it's good, bro. Some good clips today. Good discussions, good exposees. Uh, another day, another expose.

87:37

Speaker A

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I'm glad I'm happy, very happy that this went the way it went. Sam Shimone had to come up and teach Jay a lesson because he was uh getting embarrassed on his behalf.

87:52

Speaker A

Yeah. And uh the Orthos and the Catholics uniting against the Muslims as well. Yeah. Uh the the Ortho bros are geeking out. They are manifesting and they're losing their minds. So now he's blocking everybody obviously.

88:12

Speaker A

[sighs and gasps] Yep. Yeah. So yeah, guys, I think I think that's it for the live today. Thank you so much for watching. Stay tuned for the video tomorrow. Jay Dyer is done. It's finished. It's over. Sorry, Jay Dyer. We're going to have to bury

88:35

Speaker A

you, man. We're going to have to forget about you, man. I'm sorry. We're going to put you in the coffin. Bye-bye.

88:42

Speaker A

Unfortunately, brother, I was taking your side over Avery. I thought you were smarter than Avery. I thought you're more respectable. I thought you're more academic. I thought you're a more intellectual guy. I thought you're going to bring more substance, but you turned

88:53

Speaker A

out worse than the Protestant Avery that you make fun of. It's a shame. It's a shame. It's a It's really a shame, Jay Dyer. So, um, yeah, to be honest, I was going to take our debate seriously. I

89:06

Speaker A

was even going to do some prep, but I don't need prep with you. You're trash.

89:11

Speaker A

You suck. Okay, so yeah. Uh, another opponent down in the in the drain. uh uh looking for the next opponents. Uh ladies and gentlemen, make sure you subscribe to A and the servant. He is a beautiful brother. Mashallah. He, you

89:30

Speaker A

know, has amazing content. Uh he's very well-rounded. He's read up, you know, he's he's one of the guys that, you know, I could trust in a debate with a big apologist. If somebody told me, "Hey, who would you trust with a big

89:44

Speaker A

apologist?" There's a few people that I would trust. and an is definitely one of those people that I would trust to represent Islam and do well. So, make sure you check him out. He's up and coming. Okay. Um, and yeah, you know,

89:59

Speaker A

you have you have a lot of young stars coming up and uh, you know, doing some good work. There's some anks hating. You know what I'm saying? But it's okay. The the anks going to be ans, man. It's

90:10

Speaker A

fine. And yeah, thank you for coming, bro. I appreciate it. Have a good one. Enjoy your night, bro.

90:16

Speaker A

All right. All right, guys. Thank you so much. Um, thank you for tuning in, man.

90:25

Speaker A

Appreciate you guys. And, uh, yeah, we're gonna we're going to call it a night.

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